EPTDHM Winter Season Finals 2021 - Group Stage + Playoffs - P…
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Fanatic-Templar
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Poopi
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tigera6
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Waxangel
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
On November 10 2021 03:46 Waxangel wrote: Woulda been funny if we had ultras-into-win and carriers-into-lose on the same day :[ Scarlett ultralisk drop-harassing Armani to qualify for TSL8 was highlight of the year for me. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
On November 10 2021 03:51 argonautdice wrote: Scarlett ultralisk drop-harassing Armani to qualify for TSL8 was highlight of the year for me. omg I need to watch that | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
The whole Bo5 was epic. | ||
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highsis
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Crocolisk Dundee
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Poopi
France12912 Posts
On November 10 2021 08:33 highsis wrote: I'm very sad to see how a season final (though not a yearly final) is garnering a couple dozen replies on TL. It used to have hundreds of replies back in the days whenever we had a major event. Did SC2 fandom just vaporize over the years? Forums in general attract less people nowadays: most people communicate on Reddit, but obviously since StarCraft is less popular than LoL their respective Reddit are miles away in terms of activity. However, we have people communicating in twitch chat in their various communities / streams as told by the poster above, and they are also talking a bit on players discords etc. Plus, group A is the least exciting of them all (arguably, Scarlett made it spicy though  ), and online season finals aren’t that hype (and there are three per season) because of the ping issues etc.I expect Katowice (which will be played offline with live audience) to gather a lot more posts (the tickets were sold out really quickly), although obviously not as many pages as the glory days! | ||
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
On November 10 2021 08:33 highsis wrote: I'm very sad to see how a season final (though not a yearly final) is garnering a couple dozen replies on TL. It used to have hundreds of replies back in the days whenever we had a major event. Did SC2 fandom just vaporize over the years? There are a few reasons for this I think. One is that all the tournaments these days are online, and this makes it feel like it's the same for all tournaments. ESL is doing what they can to differentiate the Season Finals with the regular season, but in the end it still feels the same-ish as many of the other tournaments. Also, as mentioned, there's the ping issue, though I don't think it's that big a concern. A bigger concern is the timezone question. That means that in each of these Season Finals, the majority of the players are playing in a timeslot that's completely disadvantageous to them. This has been brought up numerous times, but nothing has been done about it. There are some who said that it's not an issue, but I'm not convinced. Even then, all 6 Season Finals are done in the same timeslot, and it's always the Koreans/NA players who are disadvantaged, never the EU players. Add to the fact that the scheduling of the Season Finals are horrible for the Koreans (right in the middle of their GSL season - imagine scheduling the Season Finals during one of the EU regionals... it's just terrible). This reduces the credibility of the tournament, and that's why the hype just isn't as big. I find myself not that invested into the Season Finals as much as I do for other tournaments. At the end of the day, what differentiates this Season Finals in its presentation compared to another online tournament like TSL or King of Battles or NeXT? Aside from the prize pool, the player pool is roughly the same. In fact, some might argue that the player pools for those are of even higher quality than these Season Finals as each player has to qualify for them. That's why the announcement that IEM Katowice 2022 will be offline is big for me. It's finally an offline event, and there's no more such issues as I mentioned (though people will say jet lag, but that's just nonsense given that the players will be there for so long). | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On November 10 2021 16:49 buzz_bender wrote: There are a few reasons for this I think. One is that all the tournaments these days are online, and this makes it feel like it's the same for all tournaments. ESL is doing what they can to differentiate the Season Finals with the regular season, but in the end it still feels the same-ish as many of the other tournaments. Also, as mentioned, there's the ping issue, though I don't think it's that big a concern. A bigger concern is the timezone question. That means that in each of these Season Finals, the majority of the players are playing in a timeslot that's completely disadvantageous to them. This has been brought up numerous times, but nothing has been done about it. There are some who said that it's not an issue, but I'm not convinced. Even then, all 6 Season Finals are done in the same timeslot, and it's always the Koreans/NA players who are disadvantaged, never the EU players. Add to the fact that the scheduling of the Season Finals are horrible for the Koreans (right in the middle of their GSL season - imagine scheduling the Season Finals during one of the EU regionals... it's just terrible). This reduces the credibility of the tournament, and that's why the hype just isn't as big. I find myself not that invested into the Season Finals as much as I do for other tournaments. At the end of the day, what differentiates this Season Finals in its presentation compared to another online tournament like TSL or King of Battles or NeXT? Aside from the prize pool, the player pool is roughly the same. In fact, some might argue that the player pools for those are of even higher quality than these Season Finals as each player has to qualify for them. That's why the announcement that IEM Katowice 2022 will be offline is big for me. It's finally an offline event, and there's no more such issues as I mentioned (though people will say jet lag, but that's just nonsense given that the players will be there for so long). Agree with all this but I also think most SC2 fans (especially TLers) are adults now and have a full-time job, a girlfriend or even a family as of now and can't invest as much time in following the scene anymore | ||
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
On November 10 2021 18:28 Charoisaur wrote: Agree with all this but I also think most SC2 fans (especially TLers) are adults now and have a full-time job, a girlfriend or even a family as of now and can't invest as much time in following the scene anymore Yups, that's me. I simply don't have all the time in the world to follow everything. I do try to make the effort. However, when I know there are some disadvantages stacked against a particular group of players, I just lose interest or don't become invested in it. I'll still watch it, but not with as much interest. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
On November 10 2021 18:28 Charoisaur wrote: Agree with all this but I also think most SC2 fans (especially TLers) are adults now and have a full-time job, a girlfriend or even a family as of now and can't invest as much time in following the scene anymore This is true for me, luckily nowadays I have a job that allows me to watch/listen streams when its computer time. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
On November 10 2021 07:27 argonautdice wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC18kFurkuQ The whole Bo5 was epic. Thanks! On a side note I enjoy steadfast casting style, easy to listen to and good vibes. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On November 10 2021 18:28 Charoisaur wrote: Agree with all this but I also think most SC2 fans (especially TLers) are adults now and have a full-time job, a girlfriend or even a family as of now and can't invest as much time in following the scene anymore This is actually a great point I didn't even think about. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On November 10 2021 18:28 Charoisaur wrote: Agree with all this but I also think most SC2 fans (especially TLers) are adults now and have a full-time job, a girlfriend or even a family as of now and can't invest as much time in following the scene anymore yeah, I've been having a fulltime job for quite a few years now but would still invest some time into TL and SC2, ever since I also ran into my girlfriend, now wife, that has changed even more. i'll catch the odd tournament stream, usually on my phone, in the evening while watching her play Animal Crossing or something, but that's about it. | ||
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Argonauta
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Circumstance
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