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Obamarauder
697 Posts
On October 08 2021 07:40 ShowTheLights wrote: One of the most undeserving GSL winners, who will be lost in history with the Roro's, Sniper's and Seed's of the world Guaranteed he drops out RO16 next season Trolling is bannable? | ||
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machinus
United States291 Posts
You had three chances to stop Cure. If you were going to handpick the three toughest PvT masters to put in front of Cure to stop him from winning, who would you have chosen to ensure a Protoss victory? Trap, Parting, and Zest would be an ideal gauntlet to set for any Terran, and especially for one who is not considered a round of 8 player. Cure beat them all, in a row. This is not a fluke. Cure worked hard, prepared, brought great builds, stayed calm, and kept his micro up through the final game. He survived a Protoss onslaught. He earned his trophy. | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines895 Posts
On October 09 2021 05:37 machinus wrote: Cure beat them all, in a row. This is not a fluke. Cure worked hard, prepared, brought great builds, stayed calm, and kept his micro up through the final game. He survived a Protoss onslaught. He earned his trophy. And he prepared for this run alot. Normally, you would see him playing EPT cups and other minor AlphaX tournaments but at the course of a month or two, I didn't see him play at this tournaments. And most of the people compare his run to Sniper or RoRo like WTF? | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3126 Posts
On October 09 2021 02:43 tigera6 wrote: This is the only "issue" I have with this prediction. Before this run, I would say Cure has had a pretty dissapointing year in GSL. We all know he is capable of beating anybody, but he seems to not find that magic when it matter more. Kinda like how Solar can pretty much win against anyone but has not made Ro8 in Code S for a long time. I personally feel like a lots of thing have lined up for Cure to win this tournament, like both Rogue and Maru are taken out, and then we have several Protoss "meltdown" from Trap and Zest. Maybe this is the "turning point" for Cure career and he will take it to the next level from now, but I am still not envisioning that yet. Yeah it's always hard to predict how players' skill and dedication will alter over time, but while I can't remember being that impressed with his play in the past, in this GSL Cure more than passed my "smell test." Every game he played he seemed to have a clear and well-thought-out plan to win, and even when things got crazy he continued to execute well and never really seemed to fall off significantly in micro, macro, decision-making, etc. Actually I feel like he didn't get quite as much credit as he should have for his wins during this season, both because of his less glamorous style & because he was usually less well-known than his opponents, so more focus went to their mistakes than to his achievements. But imo a big part of the reason his opponents looked uncharacteristically bad against him is because of his own play: he had plans tailored for specific opponents designed to frustrate them and throw them off, was always just a bit stronger than expected defending (Zest, Parting, and Trap were all at different points goaded into going for moves that could well have worked against an even slightly weaker opponent), was ready to capitalize on mistakes and turn them into wins, and did not make comparable mistakes himself even under pressure across hard-fought series. Those are all key marks of a top-tier player imo. That being said, he certainly did made mistakes and he certainly didn't give off the aura of invincibility that GOATs have occasionally had: but still imo he showed a level of strength and consistency in planning, execution, and mindset that is pretty rare. | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
On October 09 2021 05:37 machinus wrote: I think the Protoss whiners in this thread should be embarrassed. You had three chances to stop Cure. If you were going to handpick the three toughest PvT masters to put in front of Cure to stop him from winning, who would you have chosen to ensure a Protoss victory? Trap, Parting, and Zest would be an ideal gauntlet to set for any Terran, and especially for one who is not considered a round of 8 player. Cure beat them all, in a row. This is not a fluke. Cure worked hard, prepared, brought great builds, stayed calm, and kept his micro up through the final game. He survived a Protoss onslaught. He earned his trophy. Ok, he had to prepare 1 matchup. Imagine what a champion from quarters all the way to the finals. | ||
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sneakyfox
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Crocolisk Dundee
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tigera6
3444 Posts
On October 09 2021 12:29 Captain Peabody wrote: Yeah it's always hard to predict how players' skill and dedication will alter over time, but while I can't remember being that impressed with his play in the past, in this GSL Cure more than passed my "smell test." Every game he played he seemed to have a clear and well-thought-out plan to win, and even when things got crazy he continued to execute well and never really seemed to fall off significantly in micro, macro, decision-making, etc. Actually I feel like he didn't get quite as much credit as he should have for his wins during this season, both because of his less glamorous style & because he was usually less well-known than his opponents, so more focus went to their mistakes than to his achievements. But imo a big part of the reason his opponents looked uncharacteristically bad against him is because of his own play: he had plans tailored for specific opponents designed to frustrate them and throw them off, was always just a bit stronger than expected defending (Zest, Parting, and Trap were all at different points goaded into going for moves that could well have worked against an even slightly weaker opponent), was ready to capitalize on mistakes and turn them into wins, and did not make comparable mistakes himself even under pressure across hard-fought series. Those are all key marks of a top-tier player imo. That being said, he certainly did made mistakes and he certainly didn't give off the aura of invincibility that GOATs have occasionally had: but still imo he showed a level of strength and consistency in planning, execution, and mindset that is pretty rare. Yeah, I am of the opposite mindset to yours, alway think Cure as a top 3 Terran in the world despite of his shortcoming in GSL run previously. And he has the most wide-range of strategy and opening across all 3 match-ups as well. Having said that, I dont think Cure really did anything amazingly better than what he usually does in the match against Zest. Maybe I just miss the entire mindgame, but I saw Zest repell all the early pressure and harrassment pretty perfectly (game 5 and 6). And Cure was forced to turtle at home, waiting for his chance to get the 3rd base down. There was not a single strategic reason for Zest to push into the 2-base Terran while he could just get the 4th, techup and get further ahead. It was a "meltdown" from Zest side more so than Cure did something extraodinary. Again, this is not to say Cure "doesnt deserver to win" because he still played very clean game, which is much easier said than done. Just comparing to the recent Code S final, where the winner was winning decisively, or it was a beat down, this one seems to be a different type of match. | ||
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machinus
United States291 Posts
On October 09 2021 16:27 xsnac wrote: Ok, he had to prepare 1 matchup. Imagine what a champion from quarters all the way to the finals. This is the kind of post that brings down the IQ of this forum. I don't think you know anything at all about Starcraft. Whining and complaining because Protoss didn't win GSL is not a good contribution to this thread. Cure had to beat Trap, Parting, and Zest to win the tournament. I recommend that you read about their PvT winrates and also grow up more before continuing to post. | ||
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
On October 09 2021 18:37 tigera6 wrote: And he has the most wide-range of strategy and opening across all 3 match-ups as well. Having said that, I dont think Cure really did anything amazingly better than what he usually does in the match against Zest. I would agree with this. He has so many builds, and so many of them are actually not the best builds. This has led to him being inconsistent, but at the same time, being able to go far in tournaments when everything clicks. He's definitely a top 3 Terran for me. (Maru being the undisputed first for me). In this GSL, everything just clicked for him. The main surprise for me is how Trap performed against him in the Semis. Trap was on fire against Maru, and everything worked for Trap. Maru played well in that series, but just couldn't deal with Trap. (Maru always seem to have playstyle or mental issues against his former teammates.) But Trap, for some reason or another, just did not perform against Cure. His usual crisp play was lacking, and Cure took advantage of that. That was the surprising result for me. It wasn't surprising to me that Cure beat PartinG or Zest, but Trap is a different beast altogether. But fair play to Cure! I'm so glad to see him winning it after his loss to TY. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On October 09 2021 17:14 sneakyfox wrote: I liquibetted against Cure in every match of his playoffs run same lmao, he really saw our LB's and said 'NOPE' | ||
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Prastiyo
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Pentarp
224 Posts
It could have been nerves. I've seen better decision-making from most Korean protoss. Maybe they all underestimated Cure at some level, perhaps subconciously. I didn't watch Cure's other TvPs; I'm now interested to see how the other Protoss lost to him. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24237 Posts
On October 10 2021 14:41 AzAlexZ wrote: same lmao, he really saw our LB's and said 'NOPE' I actually liquibetted for him from the ro8 onwards, so I'm pretty sure I'll owe him a few ranks up the ladder  | ||
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