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[GSL 2021] Code S - Grand Finals
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Pandemona
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Pandemona
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Poll: Grand Final Winner Zest is Best (19) #YearOfCure (12) 31 total votes Your vote: Grand Final Winner | ||
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Zambrah
United States7297 Posts
That being said, GSL history says Zest has no chance. The Protoss GSL drought shall not be broken here. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
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mcmartini
Australia1972 Posts
 Go Zest | ||
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Vindicare605
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On October 07 2021 17:36 Olli wrote: Going to need Zest to win this. Why need? My liquibets are ruined after the Ro8 and Ro4 so is that what you need it for? Just wondering. | ||
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AzAlexZ
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Poopi
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On October 07 2021 18:35 AzAlexZ wrote: Zest 4-2, Let's go Zest, ascend to GOAT P Status and retire with a bang please! There's only a few players with 4 Code S titles under their belt. if Zest wins tonight he'll be the only Protoss to have done that. Easily GOAT Protoss status if he can do it. | ||
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Argonauta
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Die4Ever
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Poopi
France12840 Posts
On October 07 2021 18:37 Vindicare605 wrote: There's only a few players with 4 Code S titles under their belt. if Zest wins tonight he'll be the only Protoss to have done that. Easily GOAT Protoss status if he can do it. Only one player truly has them afaik (Mvp has 1 GSL vs the world), and Zest would have 3 if he wins tonight, not 4 | ||
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tigera6
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-KG-
Denmark1209 Posts
Go Zest! | ||
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Poopi
France12840 Posts
Start already please :D | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16071 Posts
On October 07 2021 18:45 Poopi wrote: Only one player truly has them afaik (Mvp has 1 GSL vs the world), and Zest would have 3 if he wins tonight, not 4 Mvp has 4 according to the GSL. And Rogue has 3. Which is the closest anyone has gotten other than Maru. So if Zest wins here, that's really the kind of rare air his career is in. | ||
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Zambrah
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Argonauta
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Luolis
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Schelim
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AzAlexZ
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Poopi
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Zambrah
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Luolis
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swarminfestor
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stilt
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Schelim
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
We want better games please!!!! | ||
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Poopi
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stilt
France2749 Posts
Because there are a lot of calls like that. | ||
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Argonauta
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On October 07 2021 19:15 Poopi wrote: 1 base terran is frankly bad, I wonder if that’s what Cure prepared against Trap but could not show or if it is mind game because he practiced with Zest after looking at what build Zest went in game 1, this is a pretty horrible build for Cure to follow up with in game 2, maybe he wanted to catch Zest off guard? | ||
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Shathe
Hungary422 Posts
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Poopi
France12840 Posts
On October 07 2021 19:17 Shathe wrote: People here can only consider a game good if its long... I like the small skirmishes and micro battles Short games can be good, and imo game 2 was less bad than game 1. Game 1 was bad because we knew the outcome 5 minutes before, and engaging into this small squad of marines and cyclone over and over again seemed like a bad idea and Zest still went with it. Game 2 at least no player made such a weird mistake, and it finished quickly | ||
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tigera6
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stilt
France2749 Posts
On October 07 2021 19:17 Shathe wrote: People here can only consider a game good if its long... I like the small skirmishes and micro battles Which happens especially in a long game, there have been 3 or at best 4 decisive interactions and it wasn't as if they were super interesting either. Especially with this shitty one base build. | ||
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Luolis
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Luolis
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AzAlexZ
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Nakajin
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Schelim
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Poopi
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On October 07 2021 19:36 NoS-Craig wrote: Holy shit that Hero widow mine. Really good choice ot burrow/unburrow that mine before it went of on those Adepts. Such ballsy move from Cure at the critical moment. | ||
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-KG-
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Die4Ever
United States17671 Posts
lmao | ||
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Luolis
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Schelim
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NoS-Craig
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showstealer1829
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On October 07 2021 19:35 Luolis wrote: Zest doesn't deserve the GSL championship after that game tbh :D Cure doesn't deserve it after this one No one gets to win the GSL tonight. It's decided | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7297 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On October 07 2021 19:43 showstealer1829 wrote: Is this the worst 2-2 series in recent memory? yes | ||
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Schelim
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Nakajin
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Shathe
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Poopi
France12840 Posts
I hope there is at least one macro game though, haha | ||
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Charoisaur
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-KG-
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Luolis
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
K, maybe not | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
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DBooN
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On October 07 2021 20:06 DBooN wrote: Why is the supply even, 2 minutes after artosis called Zest dead? because Zest is spamming inefficient gateway units while Cure is investing into tech that will beat those gateway units | ||
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stilt
France2749 Posts
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-KG-
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Poopi
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NoS-Craig
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swarminfestor
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DBooN
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shadymmj
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Charoisaur
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Charoisaur
Germany15947 Posts
On October 07 2021 20:12 shadymmj wrote: What the hell was that attack into the fourth? Traded immortals and colossi and DTs for uhh...1 cc...even I know it’s going to fail. Hurts when he controlled basically the whole map. the first attack into 2 base turtle terran was much more questionable | ||
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
On October 07 2021 20:12 shadymmj wrote: What the hell was that attack into the fourth? Traded immortals and colossi and DTs for uhh...1 cc...even I know it’s going to fail. Hurts when he controlled basically the whole map. A much bigger mistake was the attack on the natural though. Zest could've just taken it easy with his 3-base vs 2-base advantage for a long time, but instead he attacks onto an entrenched Terran army. Dumb shit all around. | ||
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AzAlexZ
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stilt
France2749 Posts
Good decision making by Zest on this one tho | ||
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Argonauta
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AzAlexZ
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AzAlexZ
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Protoss can't win GSL CURSE CONTINUES ON | ||
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Poopi
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LennX
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Argonauta
Spain4915 Posts
On October 07 2021 20:18 Argonauta wrote: game 7 folks nvm GG Cure | ||
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AssyrianKing
Australia2111 Posts
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Terrorbladder
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NoS-Craig
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Zambrah
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Nakajin
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stilt
France2749 Posts
Disappointing games, Zest didn't play at his level at all | ||
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Argonauta
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tigera6
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MinixTheNerd
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showstealer1829
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Poopi
France12840 Posts
On October 07 2021 20:21 Zambrah wrote: Protoss still can’t win GSL. Sigh. Zest was in super good spots in both g5 and g6 though, super questionable decisions | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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-KG-
Denmark1209 Posts
On October 07 2021 18:48 -KG- wrote: Top protoss in a final and no Z opponent! This HAS to be it! Go Zest! Ooor not... in 2027 maybe | ||
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Luolis
Finland7104 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15947 Posts
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7297 Posts
On October 07 2021 20:23 swarminfestor wrote: This is easiest path for Protoss player to win Code S, but Zest just can't do it. We will see balance whine again after this lol What are Terrans gonna say Protoss OP because it wasn’t 4-0.  | ||
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NoS-Craig
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MinixTheNerd
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Zambrah
United States7297 Posts
On October 07 2021 20:24 MinixTheNerd wrote: Yeah.. I mean good for Cure on winning, but if this was the last GSL ever (Hypothetically) I would be disappointed to see it end like this. This GSL has been far from the pinnacle of Starcraft. Not even just the finals, it feels like a very weak season of play EDIT: Dark vs Rogue was good actually, Dark looked very good despite losing to Rogue. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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MinixTheNerd
200 Posts
On October 07 2021 20:25 Zambrah wrote: This GSL has been far from the pinnacle of Starcraft. Not even just the finals, it feels like a very weak season of play Yeah I know right, like just not a lot of quality games throughout the season, and the finals kinda looked like somebody just grab 6 random ladders games these 2 played against each other and just played them back to back in GSL. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7297 Posts
On October 07 2021 20:27 MinixTheNerd wrote: Yeah I know right, like just not a lot of quality games throughout the season, and the finals kinda looked like somebody just grab 6 random ladders games these 2 played against each other and just played them back to back in GSL. Feels like Rogue threw, Trap played very meh, Zest played extremely meh, PartinG didn’t okay particularly well, Cure played like, pretty okay I guess, and playing pretty okay consistently was basically enough lol | ||
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tigera6
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-KG-
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MinixTheNerd
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On October 07 2021 20:30 swarminfestor wrote: Can DPG herO make a miracle to eventually win Code S after Protoss had not done in four years? I just don't feel like Trap or Zoun can win the title. I would love to see herO get back to form and win a code S, but I think he needs another year maybe, and I just don't know if sc2 will be around for that long. the 3 year contract is up right? | ||
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Starecat
937 Posts
Really deserved. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On October 07 2021 20:30 swarminfestor wrote: Can DPG herO make a miracle to eventually win Code S after Protoss had not done in four years? I just don't feel like Trap or Zoun can win the title. herO never won the GSL in his best days in HOTS not gonna happen now lmao | ||
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Zambrah
United States7297 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
On October 07 2021 20:32 MinixTheNerd wrote: I would love to see herO get back to form and win a code S, but I think he needs another year maybe, and I just don't know if sc2 will be around for that long. the 3 year contract is up right? I am not sure unless the GSL production announces something after the Super Tournament finishes this coming November. But, if herO manages to win, it will be a great story since he literally becomes the first Sc2 player of military returnees to do so and this is his first title as well. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On October 07 2021 20:32 MinixTheNerd wrote: I would love to see herO get back to form and win a code S, but I think he needs another year maybe, and I just don't know if sc2 will be around for that long. the 3 year contract is up right? We still have a year to the contract I think. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
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MinixTheNerd
200 Posts
On October 07 2021 20:40 Nakajin wrote: We still have a year to the contract I think. I thought it was 2019,2020,2021? EDIT: Oh wait no starts 2020 yeah you're right 1 year left | ||
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machinus
United States291 Posts
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Shathe
Hungary422 Posts
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Garbo1
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Poopi
France12840 Posts
TY-esque run, congratulations Writer prediction curse though | ||
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umelbumel
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Ciaus_Dronu
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tigera6
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Poopi
France12840 Posts
On October 07 2021 22:12 tigera6 wrote: While some of us has been on the "Trap chokes" train for a while, including me, I just realize that this is the 4th time Zest fail in a premiere tournament Grand Final, right? 2 GSL and 2 IEM, which are pretty noticable but we kinda skip over it because it was kinda spreaded over the years. Given the state of PvZ in these final losses, and how godlike Maru was in 2018, only this one is about him choking / playing worse than usual imo | ||
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Durnuu
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darklycid
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On October 07 2021 23:07 Durnuu wrote: Protoss and not winning Code S, truly an iconic duo We traded it for winning all the super tournaments  | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25216 Posts
Cool to seeing Cure take home the big prize though, despite an underwhelming finals. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
Canada5819 Posts
On October 08 2021 01:53 darklycid wrote: We traded it for winning all the super tournaments Not even. Maru and Dark both won Super Tournaments in 2019-2020. We traded it for winning NA GM Ladder apparently. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24201 Posts
did I really miss a GSL finals for the first time in xxxx years ? I was so convinced this was on Saturday Going to browse the thread and catch up on the games, I hope I didn't miss the return of DieuCure | ||
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Gescom
Canada3388 Posts
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1683 Posts
Guaranteed he drops out RO16 next season User was warned for this post. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7297 Posts
Poor jjakji. | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
On October 08 2021 07:40 ShowTheLights wrote: One of the most undeserving GSL winners, who will be lost in history with the Roro's, Sniper's and Seed's of the world Guaranteed he drops out RO16 next season how the hell is he undeserving? He is one of the top terrans right now lol. | ||
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JJH777
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RKC
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Just depressing how Toss being denied once again despite having done all the heavy lifting (after taking down Rogue and Maru). Cure deserves his win, of course. But just rather sad, narrative wise. Like Gumiho denying soO. | ||
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Kitai
United States873 Posts
On October 08 2021 07:40 ShowTheLights wrote: One of the most undeserving GSL winners, who will be lost in history with the Roro's, Sniper's and Seed's of the world Guaranteed he drops out RO16 next season Definitely disagree. Cure's been playing very well lately and this is the 2nd consecutive year he made a GSL finals. He's been consistently grinding hard and winning a ton of the ESL weeklies as well, and his dedication finally paid off. I'm not going to pretend he's the greatest Terran ever or anything like that, but I think it's really unfair to call him undeserving. | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
In the last game for example, while doing the second push all he needed to do has hit the SCV that was making the bunker, and he would win. Instead with the stalkers he was hitting the bunker itself, and other SCV literally doing nothing instead of the one building it. Not doing it let cure finish the bunker and win the game because as any Protons player from silver and up knows, if you don't have splash damage against Terran you lose. At least I'll still be able to say Protons hasn't won a GSL since four years ago when people keep complaining about how broken the race supposedly is. | ||
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Shathe
Hungary422 Posts
In the last game for example, while doing the second push all he needed to do has hit the SCV that was making the bunker, and he would win. Instead with the stalkers he was hitting the bunker itself, and other SCV literally doing nothing instead of the one building it. Not doing it let cure finish the bunker and win the game because as any Protons player from silver and up knows, if you don't have splash damage against Terran you lose. He still almost killed that bunker, at one point it was down to 2-3 hp | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4193 Posts
14 straight gsl's without a win and counting fuck sake.. | ||
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RKC
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
On October 08 2021 18:05 parksonsc wrote: I mean Cure is surely deserving but his run might have been one of the least impressive GSL wins of all time. He only beat Protoss, if he faced Rogue and especially Maru, there should have been ~0% chance he got through. well he just didn't beat some random Protosses. He defeated Parting, Trap and Zest and all of those 3 have insanely high win rate against Terrans. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On October 08 2021 18:05 parksonsc wrote: I mean Cure is surely deserving but his run might have been one of the least impressive GSL wins of all time. He only beat Protoss, if he faced Rogue and especially Maru, there should have been ~0% chance he got through. I actually think its the opposite, his run is all the more impressive that he managed to completely destroy the 3 most powerful protosses in his worst matchup. He just went super sayan and really defied all expectations. I mean Parting and Zest and even Trap usually eat Terrans for breakfast, and they just got stomped. Very impressed by Cure and fully deserved win. I feel like he is being diminished only because many people wanted Zest to win in his last GSL appearance, but he just didnt show up in the finals, happens to the best... | ||
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Poopi
France12840 Posts
Bracket luck is a thing in every tournament unless you rig the brackets in a certain way: it's very unlikely you will have to beat the best opponent of each race in every round. Plus, while he only played 1 match-up in the playoffs, he beat the best protosses in the world currently. Well deserved win | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25216 Posts
On October 08 2021 22:40 MarianoSC2 wrote: I actually think its the opposite, his run is all the more impressive that he managed to completely destroy the 3 most powerful protosses in his worst matchup. He just went super sayan and really defied all expectations. I mean Parting and Zest and even Trap usually eat Terrans for breakfast, and they just got stomped. Very impressed by Cure and fully deserved win. I feel like he is being diminished only because many people wanted Zest to win in his last GSL appearance, but he just didnt show up in the finals, happens to the best... Yeah all things considered I think it’s a pretty damn solid run. As you say it’s not like he got bracket luck and played only his strongest matchup to a title, it’s been one he and most top Terrans have had a hard time in recent seasons. | ||
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Kitai
United States873 Posts
On October 08 2021 18:05 parksonsc wrote: I mean Cure is surely deserving but his run might have been one of the least impressive GSL wins of all time. He only beat Protoss, if he faced Rogue and especially Maru, there should have been ~0% chance he got through. He did face Rogue in the group stages and lost 2-1, but it was a very competitive series. The third map on Lightshade was a drawn-out macro game that was one of the best in the tournament imo. I haven't seen him face off against Maru in a while, but I'd definitely give him better than 0% odds vs Rogue. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3102 Posts
While it's disappointing he couldn't get his fairytale ending, even going out with a GSL finals run is impressive for Zest. I saw the writing on the wall a while ago, though, and was not at all surprised to see a top Protoss go out flailing under pressure. Pretty soon we're going to have to start talking specifically about a Kong curse for the entire Protoss race. WP to Cure, though, he played very well this season; while arguably better players crashed and burned, he came up with smart builds and executed them well even under extreme pressure. Especially impressive if you recall that he used to be known as an offline choker. Not the flashiest performance, but I would be quite surprised if we didn't continue to see Cure perform as one of the top Terrans for the foreseeable future. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
Also, I'm pretty sure any player will gladly have a run against top Protosses than, say, a bracket with Rogue, Dark or Maru in the way. Anyway, Cure deserved his win, especially with his change of mindset. Definitely a good story there (play to win!). It's just sad to see a race suffering a Starleague drought for so bloody long, that's all. The only reason why people harboured some glimmer of hope this time is because the final boss isn't that scary. Oh well. Maybe Chintoss is the true Chosen One. | ||
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tigera6
3396 Posts
On October 09 2021 01:38 Captain Peabody wrote: Not the flashiest performance, but I would be quite surprised if we didn't continue to see Cure perform as one of the top Terrans for the foreseeable future. This is the only "issue" I have with this prediction. Before this run, I would say Cure has had a pretty dissapointing year in GSL. We all know he is capable of beating anybody, but he seems to not find that magic when it matter more. Kinda like how Solar can pretty much win against anyone but has not made Ro8 in Code S for a long time. I personally feel like a lots of thing have lined up for Cure to win this tournament, like both Rogue and Maru are taken out, and then we have several Protoss "meltdown" from Trap and Zest. Maybe this is the "turning point" for Cure career and he will take it to the next level from now, but I am still not envisioning that yet. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On October 09 2021 02:33 RKC wrote: Playing 3 same matchups in a row is definitely an 'easier' run than normal (unless, of course, it's PvZ). Especially against a race which is basically a third fiddle. I'm not sure this is true in a preparation tournament. Like how any games of Cure's PvT did Zest get to analyse? On the general topic of evaluating this GSL run: Cure beat like... all the current top crop protoss. In a matchup protoss really doesn't struggle in general. His play also passed the eye test IMO. He visibly played insanely well. Definitely not a sniper type thing (I don't think it's fair to throw Roro in with Sniper, as his lategame was legit top tier even in HotS). | ||
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Obamarauder
697 Posts
On October 08 2021 07:40 ShowTheLights wrote: One of the most undeserving GSL winners, who will be lost in history with the Roro's, Sniper's and Seed's of the world Guaranteed he drops out RO16 next season Trolling is bannable? | ||
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machinus
United States291 Posts
You had three chances to stop Cure. If you were going to handpick the three toughest PvT masters to put in front of Cure to stop him from winning, who would you have chosen to ensure a Protoss victory? Trap, Parting, and Zest would be an ideal gauntlet to set for any Terran, and especially for one who is not considered a round of 8 player. Cure beat them all, in a row. This is not a fluke. Cure worked hard, prepared, brought great builds, stayed calm, and kept his micro up through the final game. He survived a Protoss onslaught. He earned his trophy. | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines894 Posts
On October 09 2021 05:37 machinus wrote: Cure beat them all, in a row. This is not a fluke. Cure worked hard, prepared, brought great builds, stayed calm, and kept his micro up through the final game. He survived a Protoss onslaught. He earned his trophy. And he prepared for this run alot. Normally, you would see him playing EPT cups and other minor AlphaX tournaments but at the course of a month or two, I didn't see him play at this tournaments. And most of the people compare his run to Sniper or RoRo like WTF? | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3102 Posts
On October 09 2021 02:43 tigera6 wrote: This is the only "issue" I have with this prediction. Before this run, I would say Cure has had a pretty dissapointing year in GSL. We all know he is capable of beating anybody, but he seems to not find that magic when it matter more. Kinda like how Solar can pretty much win against anyone but has not made Ro8 in Code S for a long time. I personally feel like a lots of thing have lined up for Cure to win this tournament, like both Rogue and Maru are taken out, and then we have several Protoss "meltdown" from Trap and Zest. Maybe this is the "turning point" for Cure career and he will take it to the next level from now, but I am still not envisioning that yet. Yeah it's always hard to predict how players' skill and dedication will alter over time, but while I can't remember being that impressed with his play in the past, in this GSL Cure more than passed my "smell test." Every game he played he seemed to have a clear and well-thought-out plan to win, and even when things got crazy he continued to execute well and never really seemed to fall off significantly in micro, macro, decision-making, etc. Actually I feel like he didn't get quite as much credit as he should have for his wins during this season, both because of his less glamorous style & because he was usually less well-known than his opponents, so more focus went to their mistakes than to his achievements. But imo a big part of the reason his opponents looked uncharacteristically bad against him is because of his own play: he had plans tailored for specific opponents designed to frustrate them and throw them off, was always just a bit stronger than expected defending (Zest, Parting, and Trap were all at different points goaded into going for moves that could well have worked against an even slightly weaker opponent), was ready to capitalize on mistakes and turn them into wins, and did not make comparable mistakes himself even under pressure across hard-fought series. Those are all key marks of a top-tier player imo. That being said, he certainly did made mistakes and he certainly didn't give off the aura of invincibility that GOATs have occasionally had: but still imo he showed a level of strength and consistency in planning, execution, and mindset that is pretty rare. | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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xsnac
Barbados1365 Posts
On October 09 2021 05:37 machinus wrote: I think the Protoss whiners in this thread should be embarrassed. You had three chances to stop Cure. If you were going to handpick the three toughest PvT masters to put in front of Cure to stop him from winning, who would you have chosen to ensure a Protoss victory? Trap, Parting, and Zest would be an ideal gauntlet to set for any Terran, and especially for one who is not considered a round of 8 player. Cure beat them all, in a row. This is not a fluke. Cure worked hard, prepared, brought great builds, stayed calm, and kept his micro up through the final game. He survived a Protoss onslaught. He earned his trophy. Ok, he had to prepare 1 matchup. Imagine what a champion from quarters all the way to the finals. | ||
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sneakyfox
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Crocolisk Dundee
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tigera6
3396 Posts
On October 09 2021 12:29 Captain Peabody wrote: Yeah it's always hard to predict how players' skill and dedication will alter over time, but while I can't remember being that impressed with his play in the past, in this GSL Cure more than passed my "smell test." Every game he played he seemed to have a clear and well-thought-out plan to win, and even when things got crazy he continued to execute well and never really seemed to fall off significantly in micro, macro, decision-making, etc. Actually I feel like he didn't get quite as much credit as he should have for his wins during this season, both because of his less glamorous style & because he was usually less well-known than his opponents, so more focus went to their mistakes than to his achievements. But imo a big part of the reason his opponents looked uncharacteristically bad against him is because of his own play: he had plans tailored for specific opponents designed to frustrate them and throw them off, was always just a bit stronger than expected defending (Zest, Parting, and Trap were all at different points goaded into going for moves that could well have worked against an even slightly weaker opponent), was ready to capitalize on mistakes and turn them into wins, and did not make comparable mistakes himself even under pressure across hard-fought series. Those are all key marks of a top-tier player imo. That being said, he certainly did made mistakes and he certainly didn't give off the aura of invincibility that GOATs have occasionally had: but still imo he showed a level of strength and consistency in planning, execution, and mindset that is pretty rare. Yeah, I am of the opposite mindset to yours, alway think Cure as a top 3 Terran in the world despite of his shortcoming in GSL run previously. And he has the most wide-range of strategy and opening across all 3 match-ups as well. Having said that, I dont think Cure really did anything amazingly better than what he usually does in the match against Zest. Maybe I just miss the entire mindgame, but I saw Zest repell all the early pressure and harrassment pretty perfectly (game 5 and 6). And Cure was forced to turtle at home, waiting for his chance to get the 3rd base down. There was not a single strategic reason for Zest to push into the 2-base Terran while he could just get the 4th, techup and get further ahead. It was a "meltdown" from Zest side more so than Cure did something extraodinary. Again, this is not to say Cure "doesnt deserver to win" because he still played very clean game, which is much easier said than done. Just comparing to the recent Code S final, where the winner was winning decisively, or it was a beat down, this one seems to be a different type of match. | ||
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machinus
United States291 Posts
On October 09 2021 16:27 xsnac wrote: Ok, he had to prepare 1 matchup. Imagine what a champion from quarters all the way to the finals. This is the kind of post that brings down the IQ of this forum. I don't think you know anything at all about Starcraft. Whining and complaining because Protoss didn't win GSL is not a good contribution to this thread. Cure had to beat Trap, Parting, and Zest to win the tournament. I recommend that you read about their PvT winrates and also grow up more before continuing to post. | ||
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
On October 09 2021 18:37 tigera6 wrote: And he has the most wide-range of strategy and opening across all 3 match-ups as well. Having said that, I dont think Cure really did anything amazingly better than what he usually does in the match against Zest. I would agree with this. He has so many builds, and so many of them are actually not the best builds. This has led to him being inconsistent, but at the same time, being able to go far in tournaments when everything clicks. He's definitely a top 3 Terran for me. (Maru being the undisputed first for me). In this GSL, everything just clicked for him. The main surprise for me is how Trap performed against him in the Semis. Trap was on fire against Maru, and everything worked for Trap. Maru played well in that series, but just couldn't deal with Trap. (Maru always seem to have playstyle or mental issues against his former teammates.) But Trap, for some reason or another, just did not perform against Cure. His usual crisp play was lacking, and Cure took advantage of that. That was the surprising result for me. It wasn't surprising to me that Cure beat PartinG or Zest, but Trap is a different beast altogether. But fair play to Cure! I'm so glad to see him winning it after his loss to TY. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On October 09 2021 17:14 sneakyfox wrote: I liquibetted against Cure in every match of his playoffs run same lmao, he really saw our LB's and said 'NOPE' | ||
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Prastiyo
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Pentarp
219 Posts
It could have been nerves. I've seen better decision-making from most Korean protoss. Maybe they all underestimated Cure at some level, perhaps subconciously. I didn't watch Cure's other TvPs; I'm now interested to see how the other Protoss lost to him. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24201 Posts
On October 10 2021 14:41 AzAlexZ wrote: same lmao, he really saw our LB's and said 'NOPE' I actually liquibetted for him from the ro8 onwards, so I'm pretty sure I'll owe him a few ranks up the ladder  | ||
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