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Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
September 19 2021 17:12 GMT
#701
Time is a flat circle.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4964 Posts
September 19 2021 17:13 GMT
#702
On September 20 2021 02:12 Starcloud wrote:
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On September 20 2021 02:06 HeroSandro wrote:

I really have not seen people complaining about lag or mines. Saying Serral is weak against mines says nothing about OP mines or lag. Maru played better than Serral. Is there a world where we can talk about a match without alway trying to bait other people?


Its impossible with these guys. Everything you say is going to be turned into something you didnt mean by purpose. And every single time timezones, laggggggggg, caring about tournament etc. are brought into the play. Then us "Western-positives" are blamed to be so biased by whichever of these topics they want to take on you today. Even at 2018, when Serral literally destroyed everyone, there were these same guys trolling that he wasnt "that good". It gets boring after a while.



In 2018 Maru getting 4 GSLs in a row, nothing else happen that year
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16044 Posts
September 19 2021 17:13 GMT
#703
On September 20 2021 02:12 Starcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2021 02:06 HeroSandro wrote:

I really have not seen people complaining about lag or mines. Saying Serral is weak against mines says nothing about OP mines or lag. Maru played better than Serral. Is there a world where we can talk about a match without alway trying to bait other people?


Its impossible with these guys. Everything you say is going to be turned into something you didnt mean by purpose. And every single time timezones, laggggggggg, caring about tournament etc. are brought into the play. Then us "Western-positives" are blamed to be so biased by whichever of these topics they want to take on you today. Even at 2018, when Serral literally destroyed everyone, there were these same guys trolling that he wasnt "that good". It gets boring after a while.

not like the other side complains any less. I hear somewhat frequently that Clem does worse against korean Zergs because of ping
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MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
September 19 2021 17:15 GMT
#704
On September 20 2021 02:12 Starcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2021 02:06 HeroSandro wrote:

I really have not seen people complaining about lag or mines. Saying Serral is weak against mines says nothing about OP mines or lag. Maru played better than Serral. Is there a world where we can talk about a match without alway trying to bait other people?


Its impossible with these guys. Everything you say is going to be turned into something you didnt mean by purpose. And every single time timezones, laggggggggg, caring about tournament etc. are brought into the play. Then us "Western-positives" are blamed to be so biased by whichever of these topics they want to take on you today. Even at 2018, when Serral literally destroyed everyone, there were these same guys trolling that he wasnt "that good". It gets boring after a while.


Thats BS, most people admit Serral was the best player that year. The only argument was that Maru had a better year in term of achievments. which Serral fanboys refused to admit
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 19 2021 17:16 GMT
#705
Honestly i think Mvp would beat all these guys anyway, who cares about serral or maru roflmao
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Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
September 19 2021 17:16 GMT
#706
On September 20 2021 02:12 Die4Ever wrote:
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On September 20 2021 02:11 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:09 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:07 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:02 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:01 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On September 20 2021 01:59 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2021 01:58 Starcloud wrote:
On September 20 2021 01:50 Charoisaur wrote:
On September 20 2021 01:49 Starcloud wrote:
[quote]

Well, thats really dependent on the day of the play really. But in general, Serral is really unstoppable at times and so is Clem. Of course the likes of Raynor, Dark, Rogue, Maru can challenge them any day, but thats all. And usually, if we dont count Clem, Serral has been unstoppable by terrans. Today Maru played very well (and used mines) and deserved the win. Its by no means a big upset, but bit surprising of course.

Dark>Serral in ZvT and Maru>Clem in TvZ. It has always been like that


I wont completely buy that. Dark is very good in ZvT, but generally speaking not as consistent as Serral has been. Maru/Clem is more close one, but generally speaking, Clem has been basically the only terran in the world, who could consistently beat Serral and perhaps Raynor too. Its hard to argue against that. Of course he also gets way more practice against them, so it is an advantage. And not saying Maru isnt great too.

are you counting matches played with cross server lag and across timezones?


Are you?

I don't count them as much as live matches


Then how does this tournament impact the discussion?

well it's actually played at a decent time for everyone (at least for the quarterfinals), so it's at least better than Dreamhack


They're matches played with cross server lag and across timezones.

yea I mean across timezones is a much bigger issue when it's 5am in korea, obviously when it's 10pm in korea it isn't such a big deal


So you arbitrarily decide whether or not to count matches played with cross server lag and across timezones after you know the results.
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Solio
Profile Joined June 2016
France145 Posts
September 19 2021 17:16 GMT
#707
LETS GO Rogue or Dark to win it all i hope
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
September 19 2021 17:16 GMT
#708
wow that wall-in with the baneling cacoons
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HeroSandro
Profile Joined July 2019
534 Posts
September 19 2021 17:17 GMT
#709
On September 20 2021 02:15 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2021 02:12 Starcloud wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:06 HeroSandro wrote:

I really have not seen people complaining about lag or mines. Saying Serral is weak against mines says nothing about OP mines or lag. Maru played better than Serral. Is there a world where we can talk about a match without alway trying to bait other people?


Its impossible with these guys. Everything you say is going to be turned into something you didnt mean by purpose. And every single time timezones, laggggggggg, caring about tournament etc. are brought into the play. Then us "Western-positives" are blamed to be so biased by whichever of these topics they want to take on you today. Even at 2018, when Serral literally destroyed everyone, there were these same guys trolling that he wasnt "that good". It gets boring after a while.


Thats BS, most people admit Serral was the best player that year. The only argument was that Maru had a better year in term of achievments. which Serral fanboys refused to admit

Is that an opinion masked as a fact? My pet peeve.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12909 Posts
September 19 2021 17:18 GMT
#710
Couldn’t see the games, how did Maru beat Serral?
I guess Reynor still not at his level after vacations, he seemed a bit weak against Cure
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
September 19 2021 17:18 GMT
#711
On September 20 2021 02:16 Die4Ever wrote:
wow that wall-in with the baneling cacoons


Yeah that was sexy
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4964 Posts
September 19 2021 17:18 GMT
#712
On September 20 2021 02:16 Die4Ever wrote:
wow that wall-in with the baneling cacoons


it was so sweet
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koalabro
Profile Joined June 2021
59 Posts
September 19 2021 17:18 GMT
#713
Another ZZZvZZZ
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
September 19 2021 17:19 GMT
#714
On September 20 2021 02:16 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2021 02:12 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:11 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:09 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:07 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:02 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:01 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On September 20 2021 01:59 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2021 01:58 Starcloud wrote:
On September 20 2021 01:50 Charoisaur wrote:
[quote]
Dark>Serral in ZvT and Maru>Clem in TvZ. It has always been like that


I wont completely buy that. Dark is very good in ZvT, but generally speaking not as consistent as Serral has been. Maru/Clem is more close one, but generally speaking, Clem has been basically the only terran in the world, who could consistently beat Serral and perhaps Raynor too. Its hard to argue against that. Of course he also gets way more practice against them, so it is an advantage. And not saying Maru isnt great too.

are you counting matches played with cross server lag and across timezones?


Are you?

I don't count them as much as live matches


Then how does this tournament impact the discussion?

well it's actually played at a decent time for everyone (at least for the quarterfinals), so it's at least better than Dreamhack


They're matches played with cross server lag and across timezones.

yea I mean across timezones is a much bigger issue when it's 5am in korea, obviously when it's 10pm in korea it isn't such a big deal


So you arbitrarily decide whether or not to count matches played with cross server lag and across timezones after you know the results.

lol it's not arbitrary and it's not after the fact, I never thought the online Dreamhacks were particularly fair and I'm not the only one, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that making competitors play at 5am is cool
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Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
September 19 2021 17:20 GMT
#715
These two are so good
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3465 Posts
September 19 2021 17:20 GMT
#716
On September 20 2021 02:18 Poopi wrote:
Couldn’t see the games, how did Maru beat Serral?
I guess Reynor still not at his level after vacations, he seemed a bit weak against Cure

According to Maru/GSL fan: He plays a fantastic series, out trading Serral everywhere and even out macro him, taking out hatches after hatches.
According to EU fan: Mine is OP against Serral.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-19 17:21:46
September 19 2021 17:20 GMT
#717
On September 20 2021 02:18 Poopi wrote:
Couldn’t see the games, how did Maru beat Serral?
I guess Reynor still not at his level after vacations, he seemed a bit weak against Cure


Game one Serral kind of headbutted with ultra while Maru endured with ghost and kept Serral on a slower base count.

Game 2-3 were fairly straight forward 2-1-1 with some good follow up and Maru eventually overwhelmed Serral in the mid-early late game.
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Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-19 17:22:11
September 19 2021 17:21 GMT
#718
On September 20 2021 02:19 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2021 02:16 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:12 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:11 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:09 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:07 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:02 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:01 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On September 20 2021 01:59 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2021 01:58 Starcloud wrote:
[quote]

I wont completely buy that. Dark is very good in ZvT, but generally speaking not as consistent as Serral has been. Maru/Clem is more close one, but generally speaking, Clem has been basically the only terran in the world, who could consistently beat Serral and perhaps Raynor too. Its hard to argue against that. Of course he also gets way more practice against them, so it is an advantage. And not saying Maru isnt great too.

are you counting matches played with cross server lag and across timezones?


Are you?

I don't count them as much as live matches


Then how does this tournament impact the discussion?

well it's actually played at a decent time for everyone (at least for the quarterfinals), so it's at least better than Dreamhack


They're matches played with cross server lag and across timezones.

yea I mean across timezones is a much bigger issue when it's 5am in korea, obviously when it's 10pm in korea it isn't such a big deal


So you arbitrarily decide whether or not to count matches played with cross server lag and across timezones after you know the results.

lol it's not arbitrary and it's not after the fact, I never thought the online Dreamhacks were particularly fair and I'm not the only one, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that making competitors play at 5am is cool


It's not after the fact? Then why were you already preparing to excuse Maru's loss before the game?

On September 19 2021 22:43 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2021 22:40 Kreuger wrote:
On September 19 2021 22:38 Die4Ever wrote:
Serral was so lucky to avoid Dark, Zest, Rogue, and Clem on the other side of the bracket
and of course Maru will have to play with cross server lag


They both will play cross server

right, but Maru doesn't seem to do so well vs zerg cross server or in online tournaments in general, most terrans seem to have a bit more trouble with it
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-09-19 17:22:57
September 19 2021 17:22 GMT
#719
On September 20 2021 02:21 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2021 02:19 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:16 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:12 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:11 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:09 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:07 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:02 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:01 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On September 20 2021 01:59 Die4Ever wrote:
[quote]
are you counting matches played with cross server lag and across timezones?


Are you?

I don't count them as much as live matches


Then how does this tournament impact the discussion?

well it's actually played at a decent time for everyone (at least for the quarterfinals), so it's at least better than Dreamhack


They're matches played with cross server lag and across timezones.

yea I mean across timezones is a much bigger issue when it's 5am in korea, obviously when it's 10pm in korea it isn't such a big deal


So you arbitrarily decide whether or not to count matches played with cross server lag and across timezones after you know the results.

lol it's not arbitrary and it's not after the fact, I never thought the online Dreamhacks were particularly fair and I'm not the only one, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that making competitors play at 5am is cool


It's not after the fact? Then why were you already preparing to excuse Maru's loss before the game?

are you saying you think Serral got the harder side of the bracket? because I haven't changed my mind on that, this top side of the bracket is stacked
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MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
September 19 2021 17:23 GMT
#720
On September 20 2021 02:17 HeroSandro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2021 02:15 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:12 Starcloud wrote:
On September 20 2021 02:06 HeroSandro wrote:

I really have not seen people complaining about lag or mines. Saying Serral is weak against mines says nothing about OP mines or lag. Maru played better than Serral. Is there a world where we can talk about a match without alway trying to bait other people?


Its impossible with these guys. Everything you say is going to be turned into something you didnt mean by purpose. And every single time timezones, laggggggggg, caring about tournament etc. are brought into the play. Then us "Western-positives" are blamed to be so biased by whichever of these topics they want to take on you today. Even at 2018, when Serral literally destroyed everyone, there were these same guys trolling that he wasnt "that good". It gets boring after a while.


Thats BS, most people admit Serral was the best player that year. The only argument was that Maru had a better year in term of achievments. which Serral fanboys refused to admit

Is that an opinion masked as a fact? My pet peeve.


So you dont agree that Serral was the best player in 2018? Because I think he was, but it is more debatable than the other statement for sure.
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