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On September 20 2021 02:35 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:32 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:30 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:22 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:21 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:19 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:16 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:12 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:11 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:09 Die4Ever wrote:
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well it's actually played at a decent time for everyone (at least for the quarterfinals), so it's at least better than Dreamhack They're matches played with cross server lag and across timezones. yea I mean across timezones is a much bigger issue when it's 5am in korea, obviously when it's 10pm in korea it isn't such a big deal So you arbitrarily decide whether or not to count matches played with cross server lag and across timezones after you know the results. lol it's not arbitrary and it's not after the fact, I never thought the online Dreamhacks were particularly fair and I'm not the only one, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that making competitors play at 5am is cool It's not after the fact? Then why were you already preparing to excuse Maru's loss before the game? are you saying you think Serral got the harder side of the bracket? because I haven't changed my mind on that, this top side of the bracket is stacked Childishly dishonest. literally every player in the top half of the bracket had won their most recent match vs Serral, literally every player in the bottom half of the bracket had lost their most recent match vs Serral I think it was a pretty lucky draw for him that didn't pan out in his favor What does Serral's bracket have to do with you not counting matches played with cross-server lag and across timezones, specifically Maru's match in this tournament, except that he won so now it counts?
he won with a disadvantage which makes it even more impressive. Maru>>>Serral
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Mexico2170 Posts
What an awful match is ZvZ.
Age of empires 2 with more viewers than StarCraft btw.
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These matches are fun, but i do miss the roach meta, where it was less about luck.
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On September 20 2021 02:38 [Phantom] wrote:
What an awful match is ZvZ.
Age of empires 2 with more viewers than StarCraft btw.
Did you just come in? The first two matches were awesome
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On September 20 2021 02:35 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:32 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:30 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:22 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:21 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:19 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:16 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:12 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:11 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:09 Die4Ever wrote:
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well it's actually played at a decent time for everyone (at least for the quarterfinals), so it's at least better than Dreamhack They're matches played with cross server lag and across timezones. yea I mean across timezones is a much bigger issue when it's 5am in korea, obviously when it's 10pm in korea it isn't such a big deal So you arbitrarily decide whether or not to count matches played with cross server lag and across timezones after you know the results. lol it's not arbitrary and it's not after the fact, I never thought the online Dreamhacks were particularly fair and I'm not the only one, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that making competitors play at 5am is cool It's not after the fact? Then why were you already preparing to excuse Maru's loss before the game? are you saying you think Serral got the harder side of the bracket? because I haven't changed my mind on that, this top side of the bracket is stacked Childishly dishonest. literally every player in the top half of the bracket had won their most recent match vs Serral, literally every player in the bottom half of the bracket had lost their most recent match vs Serral I think it was a pretty lucky draw for him that didn't pan out in his favor What does Serral's bracket have to do with you not counting matches played with cross-server lag and across timezones, specifically Maru's match in this tournament, except that he won so now it counts?
idk I don't think I made that argument, I don't think I said the match counted or didn't count, but then again I've been awake all night because of the timezone difference 
I just said historically Maru didn't do too well in similar circumstances
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On September 20 2021 02:38 [Phantom] wrote:
What an awful match is ZvZ.
Age of empires 2 with more viewers than StarCraft btw.
Aoe2 is a snoozefest compared to zvz
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On September 20 2021 02:37 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:35 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:32 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:30 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:22 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:21 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:19 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:16 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:12 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:11 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
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They're matches played with cross server lag and across timezones. yea I mean across timezones is a much bigger issue when it's 5am in korea, obviously when it's 10pm in korea it isn't such a big deal So you arbitrarily decide whether or not to count matches played with cross server lag and across timezones after you know the results. lol it's not arbitrary and it's not after the fact, I never thought the online Dreamhacks were particularly fair and I'm not the only one, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that making competitors play at 5am is cool It's not after the fact? Then why were you already preparing to excuse Maru's loss before the game? are you saying you think Serral got the harder side of the bracket? because I haven't changed my mind on that, this top side of the bracket is stacked Childishly dishonest. literally every player in the top half of the bracket had won their most recent match vs Serral, literally every player in the bottom half of the bracket had lost their most recent match vs Serral I think it was a pretty lucky draw for him that didn't pan out in his favor What does Serral's bracket have to do with you not counting matches played with cross-server lag and across timezones, specifically Maru's match in this tournament, except that he won so now it counts? he won with a disadvantage which makes it even more impressive. Maru>>>Serral
There you are. It wouldn't have counted if Serral had won. It does count because Maru won.
It's fine if you or Die4Ever want to believe that, I don't care about this nonsense at all, I mostly care about Protoss nonsense. But don't pretend it's some objective principled perspective.
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Stop arguing LMAO, let's just wait till IEM Katowice to see who can come up with more dumbass arguments for whoever lost to whoever in the offline tournament
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Northern Ireland26178 Posts
On September 20 2021 02:12 allmotor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:02 Morbidius wrote:On September 20 2021 01:58 HeroSandro wrote:On September 20 2021 01:58 tigera6 wrote:On September 20 2021 01:55 HeroSandro wrote:On September 20 2021 01:48 MarianoSC2 wrote:On September 20 2021 01:45 Starcloud wrote:
In addition, why do I feel, that every time Serral gets hit by mines, its always like 10-15 banelings lost? Where if any other zerg takes those same hits, its more like random results ? This is the best excuse yet, but I am sure he was also feeling a bit sick today ! He basically said that Serral is weak against mines. I know you enjoy Serral loosing, but please try not to turn everything into a balance whine. But when Clem was beating the shit out of Serral in EU scence, it was not about the mines, it was about Clem being the best Terran in the world. Not really sure, what you are trying to say? When Serral loses to the best Terran to ever touch this game its lag and cross server play being unfair due to mines. When he loses to Clem and Reynor its because they're the Flash and Jaedong of SC2. its' foreigner fanboys bias. don't forget they said clem is best tvz, then dark recently absolutely smashed clem.
He put forward a pretty good case. If it wasn’t Clem, it was Maru and not by any huge margin. And only talking his vZ, he’s clearly not quite at the same level in the other two.
Not sure what people are saying elsewhere but TLers aren’t going around saying Clem and Reynor are Flash and Jaedong equivalents or all these things you’re claiming man.
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foreigners are lucky they don't have to compete vs peak Innovation. They'd never win a map
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On September 20 2021 02:40 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:38 [Phantom] wrote:
What an awful match is ZvZ.
Age of empires 2 with more viewers than StarCraft btw. Aoe2 is a snoozefest compared to zvz
It's different...
This zvz is superb though.
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On September 20 2021 02:43 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:12 allmotor1 wrote:On September 20 2021 02:02 Morbidius wrote:On September 20 2021 01:58 HeroSandro wrote:On September 20 2021 01:58 tigera6 wrote:On September 20 2021 01:55 HeroSandro wrote:On September 20 2021 01:48 MarianoSC2 wrote:On September 20 2021 01:45 Starcloud wrote:
In addition, why do I feel, that every time Serral gets hit by mines, its always like 10-15 banelings lost? Where if any other zerg takes those same hits, its more like random results ? This is the best excuse yet, but I am sure he was also feeling a bit sick today ! He basically said that Serral is weak against mines. I know you enjoy Serral loosing, but please try not to turn everything into a balance whine. But when Clem was beating the shit out of Serral in EU scence, it was not about the mines, it was about Clem being the best Terran in the world. Not really sure, what you are trying to say? When Serral loses to the best Terran to ever touch this game its lag and cross server play being unfair due to mines. When he loses to Clem and Reynor its because they're the Flash and Jaedong of SC2. its' foreigner fanboys bias. don't forget they said clem is best tvz, then dark recently absolutely smashed clem. He put forward a pretty good case. If it wasn’t Clem, it was Maru and not by any huge margin. And only talking his vZ, he’s clearly not quite at the same level in the other two. Not sure what people are saying elsewhere but TLers aren’t going around saying Clem and Reynor are Flash and Jaedong equivalents or all these things you’re claiming man.
Yeah I'm not sure you can say Maru is "clearly" better than Clem at tvz when they both got smashed by Rogue and both completely destroyed Serral
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Production rigging the bracket every time in favor of Serral but even with that he still lost ![[image loading]](https://www.zupimages.net/up/21/37/fqva.png)
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LMAO we are very close to getting the same result as in GSL in the same fashion
Rogue goes up 2:0
Dark catches up 2:0
Rogue denies the reverse sweep and wins game 5.
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On September 20 2021 02:45 AzAlexZ wrote:
LMAO we are very close to getting the same result as in GSL in the same fashion
Rogue goes up 2:0
Dark catches up 2:0
Rogue denies the reverse sweep and wins game 5.
are these guys just destined to go 3-2 against each other from now on?
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On September 20 2021 02:44 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:43 WombaT wrote:On September 20 2021 02:12 allmotor1 wrote:On September 20 2021 02:02 Morbidius wrote:On September 20 2021 01:58 HeroSandro wrote:On September 20 2021 01:58 tigera6 wrote:On September 20 2021 01:55 HeroSandro wrote:On September 20 2021 01:48 MarianoSC2 wrote:On September 20 2021 01:45 Starcloud wrote:
In addition, why do I feel, that every time Serral gets hit by mines, its always like 10-15 banelings lost? Where if any other zerg takes those same hits, its more like random results ? This is the best excuse yet, but I am sure he was also feeling a bit sick today ! He basically said that Serral is weak against mines. I know you enjoy Serral loosing, but please try not to turn everything into a balance whine. But when Clem was beating the shit out of Serral in EU scence, it was not about the mines, it was about Clem being the best Terran in the world. Not really sure, what you are trying to say? When Serral loses to the best Terran to ever touch this game its lag and cross server play being unfair due to mines. When he loses to Clem and Reynor its because they're the Flash and Jaedong of SC2. its' foreigner fanboys bias. don't forget they said clem is best tvz, then dark recently absolutely smashed clem. He put forward a pretty good case. If it wasn’t Clem, it was Maru and not by any huge margin. And only talking his vZ, he’s clearly not quite at the same level in the other two. Not sure what people are saying elsewhere but TLers aren’t going around saying Clem and Reynor are Flash and Jaedong equivalents or all these things you’re claiming man. Yeah I'm not sure you can say Maru is "clearly" better than Clem at tvz when they both got smashed by Rogue and both completely destroyed Serral
Rogue is just the GOAT let's be honest here
On September 20 2021 02:45 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:45 AzAlexZ wrote:
LMAO we are very close to getting the same result as in GSL in the same fashion
Rogue goes up 2:0
Dark catches up 2:0
Rogue denies the reverse sweep and wins game 5. are these guys just destined to go 3-2 against each other from now on?
as if we don't want that, they make ZvZ fun instead of zzzzzz
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On September 20 2021 02:35 stilt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:30 tigera6 wrote:On September 20 2021 02:27 Starcloud wrote:On September 20 2021 02:20 tigera6 wrote:
According to EU fan: Mine is OP against Serral. Who has said that ? Havent found anything like that in this thread. Dude On September 20 2021 02:23 Starcloud wrote:On September 20 2021 02:13 Charoisaur wrote:
not like the other side complains any less. I hear somewhat frequently that Clem does worse against korean Zergs because of ping All of these excuses and accusations started my me stating that Maru was better and Serral is not good against mines. And now we are back in the timezone - lagg - any other excuse- circle. I don't agree with any statements but saying serral is not good against mine doesn't imply these are op. Like I get it, you have a very strong identification to koreans so you worship them but don't be too toxic about it, we already got the kpop stans.
I CLEARLY stated that its OP AGAINST SERRAL, aka he is weak against it, isnt that what you mean? And I dont have a problem if thats your opinion, doesnt mean I agree with it it. But stop accusing me being toxic for trying to re-phrase your own point.
In anycase, this win shows that Maru can actually beat Serral because it was quite lopsided since that WESG back in 2018. Hope that it gives Maru for confidence in the future, because before this series start, I personally feel that Maru can beat anybody in SC2 other than Serral despite I am a fan of Maru.
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On September 20 2021 02:45 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:45 AzAlexZ wrote:
LMAO we are very close to getting the same result as in GSL in the same fashion
Rogue goes up 2:0
Dark catches up 2:0
Rogue denies the reverse sweep and wins game 5. are these guys just destined to go 3-2 against each other from now on?
I wouldn't mind. It's just as entertaining as old Serral vs. Reynor, except with a bunch of short games rather than long epic games haha
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On September 20 2021 02:36 swarminfestor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:34 Solio wrote:
Rogue absolute monster mode in this tournament But I have bad feeling that he may not deliver for the upcoming GSL matches even thought it is Bo7.
I have a feeling he might choke the zvp against Zest but if he goes to the finals he probably will smash ![[image loading]](https://www.zupimages.net/up/21/37/pnik.png)
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EPT
