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On September 20 2021 02:13 Charoisaur wrote:
not like the other side complains any less. I hear somewhat frequently that Clem does worse against korean Zergs because of ping
Well what I have read, its usually about 80%-20% complaining by you guys. Havent read about those Clem-excuses, but those are just as stupid as any cross-server complaining imo. The situation is same for everyone and servers are being changed as equally as possible. Timezones are actually a better excuse, but you cant challenge every damn result by that either. There are always some stuff even in live tournaments, that arent equal for everybody. Always blaming circumstances and not the gameplay is not good for anyone.
All of these excuses and accusations started my me stating that Maru was better and Serral is not good against mines. And now we are back in the timezone - lagg - any other excuse- circle.
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On September 20 2021 02:19 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:16 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:12 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:11 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:09 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:07 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:02 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:01 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 01:59 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 01:58 Starcloud wrote:
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I wont completely buy that. Dark is very good in ZvT, but generally speaking not as consistent as Serral has been. Maru/Clem is more close one, but generally speaking, Clem has been basically the only terran in the world, who could consistently beat Serral and perhaps Raynor too. Its hard to argue against that. Of course he also gets way more practice against them, so it is an advantage. And not saying Maru isnt great too. are you counting matches played with cross server lag and across timezones? Are you? I don't count them as much as live matches Then how does this tournament impact the discussion? well it's actually played at a decent time for everyone (at least for the quarterfinals), so it's at least better than Dreamhack They're matches played with cross server lag and across timezones. yea I mean across timezones is a much bigger issue when it's 5am in korea, obviously when it's 10pm in korea it isn't such a big deal So you arbitrarily decide whether or not to count matches played with cross server lag and across timezones after you know the results. lol it's not arbitrary and it's not after the fact, I never thought the online Dreamhacks were particularly fair and I'm not the only one, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that making competitors play at 5am is cool
Given how demanding SC2 is on your attention and focus it's pretty ridiculous to imagine playing for money at that time 
I remember how I used to fall apart around 3-4am playing teamgames, and I wasn't playing against opponents with 400apm for money T.T
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Canada8989 Posts
Those freaking KR-Foreigner argument will never end will it?
Lets just all agree that Rogue is the GOAT and no one is happy about it.
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On September 20 2021 02:20 tigera6 wrote:
According to EU fan: Mine is OP against Serral.
Who has said that ? Havent found anything like that in this thread.
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these people here, discussing shit instead of enjoying the amazing zvz tsk tsk tsk
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My lord.
That was a damn good ZvZ. GG Rogue :O
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That was damn close. Rogue really got killer instinct mode.
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On September 20 2021 02:27 Starcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:20 tigera6 wrote:
According to EU fan: Mine is OP against Serral. Who has said that ? Havent found anything like that in this thread.
Dude
On September 20 2021 02:23 Starcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:13 Charoisaur wrote:
not like the other side complains any less. I hear somewhat frequently that Clem does worse against korean Zergs because of ping All of these excuses and accusations started my me stating that Maru was better and Serral is not good against mines. And now we are back in the timezone - lagg - any other excuse- circle.
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man you see how Dark and Rogue are the 2 greatest Zergs of all time. insanely close matched and high-level
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On September 20 2021 02:22 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:21 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:19 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:16 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:12 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:11 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:09 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:07 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:02 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:01 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
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Are you? I don't count them as much as live matches Then how does this tournament impact the discussion? well it's actually played at a decent time for everyone (at least for the quarterfinals), so it's at least better than Dreamhack They're matches played with cross server lag and across timezones. yea I mean across timezones is a much bigger issue when it's 5am in korea, obviously when it's 10pm in korea it isn't such a big deal So you arbitrarily decide whether or not to count matches played with cross server lag and across timezones after you know the results. lol it's not arbitrary and it's not after the fact, I never thought the online Dreamhacks were particularly fair and I'm not the only one, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that making competitors play at 5am is cool It's not after the fact? Then why were you already preparing to excuse Maru's loss before the game? are you saying you think Serral got the harder side of the bracket? because I haven't changed my mind on that, this top side of the bracket is stacked
Childishly dishonest.
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On September 20 2021 02:23 MarianoSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:17 HeroSandro wrote:On September 20 2021 02:15 MarianoSC2 wrote:On September 20 2021 02:12 Starcloud wrote:On September 20 2021 02:06 HeroSandro wrote:
I really have not seen people complaining about lag or mines. Saying Serral is weak against mines says nothing about OP mines or lag. Maru played better than Serral. Is there a world where we can talk about a match without alway trying to bait other people? Its impossible with these guys. Everything you say is going to be turned into something you didnt mean by purpose. And every single time timezones, laggggggggg, caring about tournament etc. are brought into the play. Then us "Western-positives" are blamed to be so biased by whichever of these topics they want to take on you today. Even at 2018, when Serral literally destroyed everyone, there were these same guys trolling that he wasnt "that good". It gets boring after a while. Thats BS, most people admit Serral was the best player that year. The only argument was that Maru had a better year in term of achievments. which Serral fanboys refused to admit Is that an opinion masked as a fact? My pet peeve. So you dont agree that Serral was the best player in 2018? Because I think he was, but it is more debatable than the other statement for sure.
I was referring to the part that was bolded. We have no objective way to measure the achievements of Serral and Maru in 2018. You said, that Serral fanboys refused to admit Maru´s superior achievements in 2018. You presented Maru´s better achievements as a fact.
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On September 20 2021 02:30 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:22 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:21 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:19 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:16 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:12 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:11 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:09 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:07 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:02 Die4Ever wrote:
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I don't count them as much as live matches Then how does this tournament impact the discussion? well it's actually played at a decent time for everyone (at least for the quarterfinals), so it's at least better than Dreamhack They're matches played with cross server lag and across timezones. yea I mean across timezones is a much bigger issue when it's 5am in korea, obviously when it's 10pm in korea it isn't such a big deal So you arbitrarily decide whether or not to count matches played with cross server lag and across timezones after you know the results. lol it's not arbitrary and it's not after the fact, I never thought the online Dreamhacks were particularly fair and I'm not the only one, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that making competitors play at 5am is cool It's not after the fact? Then why were you already preparing to excuse Maru's loss before the game? are you saying you think Serral got the harder side of the bracket? because I haven't changed my mind on that, this top side of the bracket is stacked Childishly dishonest.
literally every player in the top half of the bracket had won their most recent match vs Serral, literally every player in the bottom half of the bracket had lost their most recent match vs Serral
I think it was a pretty lucky draw for him that didn't pan out in his favor
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Canada8989 Posts
Pretty inspired 12 pool follow up by Dark, obviously it's gonna fall flat on its face, but was a cute idea.
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Rogue absolute monster mode in this tournament
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On September 20 2021 02:30 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:27 Starcloud wrote:On September 20 2021 02:20 tigera6 wrote:
According to EU fan: Mine is OP against Serral. Who has said that ? Havent found anything like that in this thread. Dude Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:23 Starcloud wrote:On September 20 2021 02:13 Charoisaur wrote:
not like the other side complains any less. I hear somewhat frequently that Clem does worse against korean Zergs because of ping All of these excuses and accusations started my me stating that Maru was better and Serral is not good against mines. And now we are back in the timezone - lagg - any other excuse- circle.
I don't agree with any statements but saying serral is not good against mine doesn't imply these are op.
Like I get it, you have a very strong identification to koreans so you worship them but don't be too toxic about it, we already got the kpop stans.
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On September 20 2021 02:32 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 02:30 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:22 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:21 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:19 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:16 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:12 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:11 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On September 20 2021 02:09 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 02:07 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
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Then how does this tournament impact the discussion? well it's actually played at a decent time for everyone (at least for the quarterfinals), so it's at least better than Dreamhack They're matches played with cross server lag and across timezones. yea I mean across timezones is a much bigger issue when it's 5am in korea, obviously when it's 10pm in korea it isn't such a big deal So you arbitrarily decide whether or not to count matches played with cross server lag and across timezones after you know the results. lol it's not arbitrary and it's not after the fact, I never thought the online Dreamhacks were particularly fair and I'm not the only one, I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that making competitors play at 5am is cool It's not after the fact? Then why were you already preparing to excuse Maru's loss before the game? are you saying you think Serral got the harder side of the bracket? because I haven't changed my mind on that, this top side of the bracket is stacked Childishly dishonest. literally every player in the top half of the bracket had won their most recent match vs Serral, literally every player in the bottom half of the bracket had lost their most recent match vs Serral I think it was a pretty lucky draw for him that didn't pan out in his favor
What does Serral's bracket have to do with you not counting matches played with cross-server lag and across timezones, specifically Maru's match in this tournament, except that he won so now it counts?
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On September 20 2021 02:34 Solio wrote:
Rogue absolute monster mode in this tournament
But I have bad feeling that he may not deliver for the upcoming GSL matches even thought it is Bo7.
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so said it comes down to BO wins
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EPT
