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United States2969 Posts
On September 20 2021 01:45 Starcloud wrote:
Maru played very well. Like I said before, I really dont understand why not every terran plays mines against Serral. Of course pure mines dont cut it, since Serral is really good, but in top tier he makes too many mistakes against mines. And its really sad to watch because otherwise his play is very on point, but he hasnt gotten any better with mines in like a year and a half now. He should really take lessons from Raynor.
In addition, why do I feel, that every time Serral gets hit by mines, its always like 10-15 banelings lost? Where if any other zerg takes those same hits, its more like random results ?
Meh, at least today Big Gabe's mines had fairly good results to Reynor's ling/bane actually. Not quite the same level of success Maru had against Serral, but the discrepancy wasn't huge. Both Terrans had mine hits that butchered gobs of units randomly.
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and now a banger of ZVZ... I think i got a heart attack and Im in heaven.
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On September 20 2021 01:49 Starcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 01:44 parksonsc wrote:
Clem has the best TvZ they say, and Rogue 3-0 him
Serral has the best ZvT they say, and Maru 3-0 him
Well, thats really dependent on the day of the play really. But in general, Serral is really unstoppable at times and so is Clem. Of course the likes of Raynor, Dark, Rogue, Maru can challenge them any day, but thats all. And usually, if we dont count Clem, Serral has been unstoppable by terrans. Today Maru played very well (and used mines) and deserved the win. Its by no means a big upset, but bit surprising of course.
Dark>Serral in ZvT and Maru>Clem in TvZ. It has always been like that
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Canada8988 Posts
On September 20 2021 01:50 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 01:49 Starcloud wrote:On September 20 2021 01:44 parksonsc wrote:
Clem has the best TvZ they say, and Rogue 3-0 him
Serral has the best ZvT they say, and Maru 3-0 him
Well, thats really dependent on the day of the play really. But in general, Serral is really unstoppable at times and so is Clem. Of course the likes of Raynor, Dark, Rogue, Maru can challenge them any day, but thats all. And usually, if we dont count Clem, Serral has been unstoppable by terrans. Today Maru played very well (and used mines) and deserved the win. Its by no means a big upset, but bit surprising of course. Dark>Serral in ZvT and Maru>Clem in TvZ. It has always been like that
Dark zvt (like his zvp) sometime goes compleatly off the rails though. I think Serral is generaly a safer bet.
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On September 20 2021 01:48 MarianoSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 01:45 Starcloud wrote:
In addition, why do I feel, that every time Serral gets hit by mines, its always like 10-15 banelings lost? Where if any other zerg takes those same hits, its more like random results ? This is the best excuse yet, but I am sure he was also feeling a bit sick today !
It wasnt an excuse. I already stated that Maru played better.
Never, ever there has been an excuse for Maru, eh ? Being sick, timezones, not caring enough(my favourite), because of the weekend play, not enough time to prepare (like 1 months+), his right toe itching wrong way etc. ?
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Mines seems to be the thing to go for in cross server play as it but more pressure on micro for Zerg. However their inconsistency isn't talked as much like distruptor. Probably because big orange ball of death that can be followed creates more suspense than tiny line. Some times mines just survive and aren't cleaned up or have just constant effective hits.
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On September 20 2021 01:48 MarianoSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 01:45 Starcloud wrote:
In addition, why do I feel, that every time Serral gets hit by mines, its always like 10-15 banelings lost? Where if any other zerg takes those same hits, its more like random results ? This is the best excuse yet, but I am sure he was also feeling a bit sick today !
He basically said that Serral is weak against mines. I know you enjoy Serral loosing, but please try not to turn everything into a balance whine.
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On September 20 2021 01:55 HeroSandro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 01:48 MarianoSC2 wrote:On September 20 2021 01:45 Starcloud wrote:
In addition, why do I feel, that every time Serral gets hit by mines, its always like 10-15 banelings lost? Where if any other zerg takes those same hits, its more like random results ? This is the best excuse yet, but I am sure he was also feeling a bit sick today ! He basically said that Serral is weak against mines. I know you enjoy Serral loosing, but please try not to turn everything into a balance whine.
But when Clem was beating the shit out of Serral in EU scence, it was not about the mines, it was about Clem being the best Terran in the world.
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On September 20 2021 01:50 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 01:49 Starcloud wrote:On September 20 2021 01:44 parksonsc wrote:
Clem has the best TvZ they say, and Rogue 3-0 him
Serral has the best ZvT they say, and Maru 3-0 him
Well, thats really dependent on the day of the play really. But in general, Serral is really unstoppable at times and so is Clem. Of course the likes of Raynor, Dark, Rogue, Maru can challenge them any day, but thats all. And usually, if we dont count Clem, Serral has been unstoppable by terrans. Today Maru played very well (and used mines) and deserved the win. Its by no means a big upset, but bit surprising of course. Dark>Serral in ZvT and Maru>Clem in TvZ. It has always been like that
I wont completely buy that. Dark is very good in ZvT, but generally speaking not as consistent as Serral has been. Maru/Clem is more close one, but generally speaking, Clem has been basically the only terran in the world, who could consistently beat Serral and perhaps Raynor too. Its hard to argue against that. Of course he also gets way more practice against them, so it is an advantage. And not saying Maru isnt great too.
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On September 20 2021 01:58 tigera6 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 01:55 HeroSandro wrote:On September 20 2021 01:48 MarianoSC2 wrote:On September 20 2021 01:45 Starcloud wrote:
In addition, why do I feel, that every time Serral gets hit by mines, its always like 10-15 banelings lost? Where if any other zerg takes those same hits, its more like random results ? This is the best excuse yet, but I am sure he was also feeling a bit sick today ! He basically said that Serral is weak against mines. I know you enjoy Serral loosing, but please try not to turn everything into a balance whine. But when Clem was beating the shit out of Serral in EU scence, it was not about the mines, it was about Clem being the best Terran in the world.
Not really sure, what you are trying to say?
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On September 20 2021 01:58 Starcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 01:50 Charoisaur wrote:On September 20 2021 01:49 Starcloud wrote:On September 20 2021 01:44 parksonsc wrote:
Clem has the best TvZ they say, and Rogue 3-0 him
Serral has the best ZvT they say, and Maru 3-0 him
Well, thats really dependent on the day of the play really. But in general, Serral is really unstoppable at times and so is Clem. Of course the likes of Raynor, Dark, Rogue, Maru can challenge them any day, but thats all. And usually, if we dont count Clem, Serral has been unstoppable by terrans. Today Maru played very well (and used mines) and deserved the win. Its by no means a big upset, but bit surprising of course. Dark>Serral in ZvT and Maru>Clem in TvZ. It has always been like that I wont completely buy that. Dark is very good in ZvT, but generally speaking not as consistent as Serral has been. Maru/Clem is more close one, but generally speaking, Clem has been basically the only terran in the world, who could consistently beat Serral and perhaps Raynor too. Its hard to argue against that. Of course he also gets way more practice against them, so it is an advantage. And not saying Maru isnt great too.
are you counting matches played with cross server lag and across timezones?
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Dark really loves this rush lmao
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Solid by Maru and incredible sloppy by Serral. Deserved win today for Maru
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On September 20 2021 01:41 Sent. wrote:
Serral performing like most people expected Heromarine to
I would say Serral at his absolute peak, like last week. Maru just outplayed and outclassed him severely, even it being like 01:00 and Serral playing at only 19:00. Any other player and Serral would have won. He got unlucky playing against Maru.
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On September 20 2021 01:59 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 01:58 Starcloud wrote:On September 20 2021 01:50 Charoisaur wrote:On September 20 2021 01:49 Starcloud wrote:On September 20 2021 01:44 parksonsc wrote:
Clem has the best TvZ they say, and Rogue 3-0 him
Serral has the best ZvT they say, and Maru 3-0 him
Well, thats really dependent on the day of the play really. But in general, Serral is really unstoppable at times and so is Clem. Of course the likes of Raynor, Dark, Rogue, Maru can challenge them any day, but thats all. And usually, if we dont count Clem, Serral has been unstoppable by terrans. Today Maru played very well (and used mines) and deserved the win. Its by no means a big upset, but bit surprising of course. Dark>Serral in ZvT and Maru>Clem in TvZ. It has always been like that I wont completely buy that. Dark is very good in ZvT, but generally speaking not as consistent as Serral has been. Maru/Clem is more close one, but generally speaking, Clem has been basically the only terran in the world, who could consistently beat Serral and perhaps Raynor too. Its hard to argue against that. Of course he also gets way more practice against them, so it is an advantage. And not saying Maru isnt great too. are you counting matches played with cross server lag and across timezones?
Are you?
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On September 20 2021 01:58 HeroSandro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 01:58 tigera6 wrote:On September 20 2021 01:55 HeroSandro wrote:On September 20 2021 01:48 MarianoSC2 wrote:On September 20 2021 01:45 Starcloud wrote:
In addition, why do I feel, that every time Serral gets hit by mines, its always like 10-15 banelings lost? Where if any other zerg takes those same hits, its more like random results ? This is the best excuse yet, but I am sure he was also feeling a bit sick today ! He basically said that Serral is weak against mines. I know you enjoy Serral loosing, but please try not to turn everything into a balance whine. But when Clem was beating the shit out of Serral in EU scence, it was not about the mines, it was about Clem being the best Terran in the world. Not really sure, what you are trying to say?
When Serral loses to the best Terran to ever touch this game its lag and cross server play being unfair due to mines.
When he loses to Clem and Reynor its because they're the Flash and Jaedong of SC2.
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On September 20 2021 02:01 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 01:59 Die4Ever wrote:On September 20 2021 01:58 Starcloud wrote:On September 20 2021 01:50 Charoisaur wrote:On September 20 2021 01:49 Starcloud wrote:On September 20 2021 01:44 parksonsc wrote:
Clem has the best TvZ they say, and Rogue 3-0 him
Serral has the best ZvT they say, and Maru 3-0 him
Well, thats really dependent on the day of the play really. But in general, Serral is really unstoppable at times and so is Clem. Of course the likes of Raynor, Dark, Rogue, Maru can challenge them any day, but thats all. And usually, if we dont count Clem, Serral has been unstoppable by terrans. Today Maru played very well (and used mines) and deserved the win. Its by no means a big upset, but bit surprising of course. Dark>Serral in ZvT and Maru>Clem in TvZ. It has always been like that I wont completely buy that. Dark is very good in ZvT, but generally speaking not as consistent as Serral has been. Maru/Clem is more close one, but generally speaking, Clem has been basically the only terran in the world, who could consistently beat Serral and perhaps Raynor too. Its hard to argue against that. Of course he also gets way more practice against them, so it is an advantage. And not saying Maru isnt great too. are you counting matches played with cross server lag and across timezones? Are you?
I don't count them as much as live matches
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Canada8988 Posts
Am I stupid or did Rogue just give a wall in to Dark spine with his pool?
Dark win the elimination no, how much is an extractor again?
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On September 20 2021 01:58 Starcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2021 01:50 Charoisaur wrote:On September 20 2021 01:49 Starcloud wrote:On September 20 2021 01:44 parksonsc wrote:
Clem has the best TvZ they say, and Rogue 3-0 him
Serral has the best ZvT they say, and Maru 3-0 him
Well, thats really dependent on the day of the play really. But in general, Serral is really unstoppable at times and so is Clem. Of course the likes of Raynor, Dark, Rogue, Maru can challenge them any day, but thats all. And usually, if we dont count Clem, Serral has been unstoppable by terrans. Today Maru played very well (and used mines) and deserved the win. Its by no means a big upset, but bit surprising of course. Dark>Serral in ZvT and Maru>Clem in TvZ. It has always been like that I wont completely buy that. Dark is very good in ZvT, but generally speaking not as consistent as Serral has been. Maru/Clem is more close one, but generally speaking, Clem has been basically the only terran in the world, who could consistently beat Serral and perhaps Raynor too. Its hard to argue against that. Of course he also gets way more practice against them, so it is an advantage. And not saying Maru isnt great too.
he does well against Serral and Reynor but lost to Dark, multiple times to Solar and almost again this tournament and now 0-3 to Rogue. Maru does better vs the korean Zergs and can also definitely beat Reynor and Serral even though he doesn't do it every time. Maru is clear
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