On July 09 2021 15:09 Morbidius wrote: Abhorrent organizing by GSL. Really poor quality control on new maps, Solar should have gotten a regame instantly.
Solar getting a redo would have been wildly unfair. It's not like Parting broke any rules by doing what he did, and that would have been all his prep down the drain. Every player had the same opportunities to discover the issue.
Also labeling one issue getting through as "abhorrent" and "really poor" seems a bit harsh. They should have caught it, sure. But the issue hasn't come up before and wouldn't come up at all if Blizzard did basic game maintenance.
Just No, exploits are not fair just the first time and then they are exploits, exploits are exploits from the get go.
If PartinG had discovered that exploit he should have informed the GSL instead of using it to his own advantage. I am very surprised GSL didn't rule out the game and that Solar didn't complain.
Y'a it's my thoughts too, it's been officially stated a decade ago that every map needed to be made as to make it impossible to do the low ground ramp wall in. You can't expect Solar to have to defend something that has been banned from the game. (and that is an instant gg the second the pylon goes up)
I feel like if you can get a rematch because your pc is bugging, you should also do it when the rules of the game are broken on a map, it's like if hydra randomly did twice the dps on a certain map.
On July 09 2021 15:09 Morbidius wrote: Abhorrent organizing by GSL. Really poor quality control on new maps, Solar should have gotten a regame instantly.
Solar getting a redo would have been wildly unfair. It's not like Parting broke any rules by doing what he did, and that would have been all his prep down the drain. Every player had the same opportunities to discover the issue.
Also labeling one issue getting through as "abhorrent" and "really poor" seems a bit harsh. They should have caught it, sure. But the issue hasn't come up before and wouldn't come up at all if Blizzard did basic game maintenance.
Just No, exploits are not fair just the first time and then they are exploits, exploits are exploits from the get go.
If PartinG had discovered that exploit he should have informed the GSL instead of using it to his own advantage. I am very surprised GSL didn't rule out the game and that Solar didn't complain.
Strongly agreed. They should have a rule concerning this, that the player has to inform GSL. Discovering an exploit or map bug that every map is specifically designed to prevent, with hard and fast rules about the placement of destructible plates for exactly that purpose should not grant you a free win over another competitor.
Solar seemed to take it in good spirit, but I would not have faulted him had he paused the game and made a fuss about it.
It also meant that not vetoing that map against Trap would be a massive risk, so even after the Parting series it still arguably puts him at an unfair disadvantage.
On July 09 2021 15:09 Morbidius wrote: Abhorrent organizing by GSL. Really poor quality control on new maps, Solar should have gotten a regame instantly.
Solar getting a redo would have been wildly unfair. It's not like Parting broke any rules by doing what he did, and that would have been all his prep down the drain. Every player had the same opportunities to discover the issue.
Also labeling one issue getting through as "abhorrent" and "really poor" seems a bit harsh. They should have caught it, sure. But the issue hasn't come up before and wouldn't come up at all if Blizzard did basic game maintenance.
Yes his prep should have went down the drain for abusing an exploit instead of notifying the tournament that a map has an exploit.
On July 09 2021 15:09 Morbidius wrote: Abhorrent organizing by GSL. Really poor quality control on new maps, Solar should have gotten a regame instantly.
Solar getting a redo would have been wildly unfair. It's not like Parting broke any rules by doing what he did, and that would have been all his prep down the drain. Every player had the same opportunities to discover the issue.
Also labeling one issue getting through as "abhorrent" and "really poor" seems a bit harsh. They should have caught it, sure. But the issue hasn't come up before and wouldn't come up at all if Blizzard did basic game maintenance.
Just No, exploits are not fair just the first time and then they are exploits, exploits are exploits from the get go.
If PartinG had discovered that exploit he should have informed the GSL instead of using it to his own advantage. I am very surprised GSL didn't rule out the game and that Solar didn't complain.
What you are describing isn't part of the rules. Had the rules had a clause about obvious faults in maps being disallowed even if found during a live game, then what you described could have been true.
As is, the game has to be allowed. Had it been disrupted without having rules allowing for that disruption, then the rule book wouldn't be trustworthy. If you can't trust the rules then there is no integrity.
In profession competitions there is a need for every rule to be a written rule. Some rules can be a bit vague and up for interpretation, but if there is nothing stated at all it has to be allowed.
What you are describing is more about PartinG's conscious, his ethics. PartinG played a tournament that is only about winning. PartinG used tactics that used a map specific detail to increase his chances of winning, and he did so while following the rules. PartinG played to win in an event that is about winning. No rules were broken. He got a win according to the rules. That can't be stripped without breaking the rules.
As Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On July 09 2021 19:19 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: They should have a rule concerning this, that the player has to inform GSL. Discovering an exploit or map bug that every map is specifically designed to prevent, with hard and fast rules about the placement of destructible plates for exactly that purpose should not grant you a free win over another competitor.
On July 09 2021 15:09 Morbidius wrote: Abhorrent organizing by GSL. Really poor quality control on new maps, Solar should have gotten a regame instantly.
Solar getting a redo would have been wildly unfair. It's not like Parting broke any rules by doing what he did, and that would have been all his prep down the drain. Every player had the same opportunities to discover the issue.
Also labeling one issue getting through as "abhorrent" and "really poor" seems a bit harsh. They should have caught it, sure. But the issue hasn't come up before and wouldn't come up at all if Blizzard did basic game maintenance.
Just No, exploits are not fair just the first time and then they are exploits, exploits are exploits from the get go.
If PartinG had discovered that exploit he should have informed the GSL instead of using it to his own advantage. I am very surprised GSL didn't rule out the game and that Solar didn't complain.
What you are describing isn't part of the rules. Had the rules had a clause about obvious faults in maps being disallowed even if found during a live game, then what you described could have been true.
As is, the game has to be allowed. Had it been disrupted without having rules allowing for that disruption, then the rule book wouldn't be trustworthy. If you can't trust the rules then there is no integrity.
In profession competitions there is a need for every rule to be a written rule. Some rules can be a bit vague and up for interpretation, but if there is nothing stated at all it has to be allowed.
What you are describing is more about PartinG's conscious, his ethics. PartinG played a tournament that is only about winning. PartinG used tactics that used a map specific detail to increase his chances of winning, and he did so while following the rules. PartinG played to win in an event that is about winning. No rules were broken. He got a win according to the rules. That can't be stripped without breaking the rules.
On July 09 2021 19:19 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: They should have a rule concerning this, that the player has to inform GSL. Discovering an exploit or map bug that every map is specifically designed to prevent, with hard and fast rules about the placement of destructible plates for exactly that purpose should not grant you a free win over another competitor.
There should be a rule.
But there is a rule, thats why the destructible tile debris is in every map, is not because mapmakers decide to include it, it is because there is a rule to prevent low ramp blocking the main with a pylon/depot
On July 09 2021 15:09 Morbidius wrote: Abhorrent organizing by GSL. Really poor quality control on new maps, Solar should have gotten a regame instantly.
Solar getting a redo would have been wildly unfair. It's not like Parting broke any rules by doing what he did, and that would have been all his prep down the drain. Every player had the same opportunities to discover the issue.
Also labeling one issue getting through as "abhorrent" and "really poor" seems a bit harsh. They should have caught it, sure. But the issue hasn't come up before and wouldn't come up at all if Blizzard did basic game maintenance.
Just No, exploits are not fair just the first time and then they are exploits, exploits are exploits from the get go.
If PartinG had discovered that exploit he should have informed the GSL instead of using it to his own advantage. I am very surprised GSL didn't rule out the game and that Solar didn't complain.
What you are describing isn't part of the rules. Had the rules had a clause about obvious faults in maps being disallowed even if found during a live game, then what you described could have been true.
As is, the game has to be allowed. Had it been disrupted without having rules allowing for that disruption, then the rule book wouldn't be trustworthy. If you can't trust the rules then there is no integrity.
In profession competitions there is a need for every rule to be a written rule. Some rules can be a bit vague and up for interpretation, but if there is nothing stated at all it has to be allowed.
What you are describing is more about PartinG's conscious, his ethics. PartinG played a tournament that is only about winning. PartinG used tactics that used a map specific detail to increase his chances of winning, and he did so while following the rules. PartinG played to win in an event that is about winning. No rules were broken. He got a win according to the rules. That can't be stripped without breaking the rules.
As Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On July 09 2021 19:19 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: They should have a rule concerning this, that the player has to inform GSL. Discovering an exploit or map bug that every map is specifically designed to prevent, with hard and fast rules about the placement of destructible plates for exactly that purpose should not grant you a free win over another competitor.
There should be a rule.
But there is a rule, thats why the destructible tile debris is in every map, is not because mapmakers decide to include it, it is because there is a rule to prevent low ramp blocking the main with a pylon/depot
If it's an official rule you will have no issues of fidning it, right? :D I don't think this is a rule per se. It's more of a silent social agreement respected by most.
On July 09 2021 15:09 Morbidius wrote: Abhorrent organizing by GSL. Really poor quality control on new maps, Solar should have gotten a regame instantly.
Solar getting a redo would have been wildly unfair. It's not like Parting broke any rules by doing what he did, and that would have been all his prep down the drain. Every player had the same opportunities to discover the issue.
Also labeling one issue getting through as "abhorrent" and "really poor" seems a bit harsh. They should have caught it, sure. But the issue hasn't come up before and wouldn't come up at all if Blizzard did basic game maintenance.
Just No, exploits are not fair just the first time and then they are exploits, exploits are exploits from the get go.
If PartinG had discovered that exploit he should have informed the GSL instead of using it to his own advantage. I am very surprised GSL didn't rule out the game and that Solar didn't complain.
What you are describing isn't part of the rules. Had the rules had a clause about obvious faults in maps being disallowed even if found during a live game, then what you described could have been true.
As is, the game has to be allowed. Had it been disrupted without having rules allowing for that disruption, then the rule book wouldn't be trustworthy. If you can't trust the rules then there is no integrity.
In profession competitions there is a need for every rule to be a written rule. Some rules can be a bit vague and up for interpretation, but if there is nothing stated at all it has to be allowed.
What you are describing is more about PartinG's conscious, his ethics. PartinG played a tournament that is only about winning. PartinG used tactics that used a map specific detail to increase his chances of winning, and he did so while following the rules. PartinG played to win in an event that is about winning. No rules were broken. He got a win according to the rules. That can't be stripped without breaking the rules.
As Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On July 09 2021 19:19 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: They should have a rule concerning this, that the player has to inform GSL. Discovering an exploit or map bug that every map is specifically designed to prevent, with hard and fast rules about the placement of destructible plates for exactly that purpose should not grant you a free win over another competitor.
There should be a rule.
But there is a rule, thats why the destructible tile debris is in every map, is not because mapmakers decide to include it, it is because there is a rule to prevent low ramp blocking the main with a pylon/depot
If it's an official rule you will have no issues of fidning it, right? :D I don't think this is a rule per se. It's more of a silent social agreement respected by most.
Bro i cant even find any ruleset of GSL, is there any. rules in the tournament at this point? Or Zest can break the fingers of his opponent on his next PvP? #OutSmarted #ZestTactics
On July 09 2021 15:09 Morbidius wrote: Abhorrent organizing by GSL. Really poor quality control on new maps, Solar should have gotten a regame instantly.
Solar getting a redo would have been wildly unfair. It's not like Parting broke any rules by doing what he did, and that would have been all his prep down the drain. Every player had the same opportunities to discover the issue.
Also labeling one issue getting through as "abhorrent" and "really poor" seems a bit harsh. They should have caught it, sure. But the issue hasn't come up before and wouldn't come up at all if Blizzard did basic game maintenance.
Just No, exploits are not fair just the first time and then they are exploits, exploits are exploits from the get go.
If PartinG had discovered that exploit he should have informed the GSL instead of using it to his own advantage. I am very surprised GSL didn't rule out the game and that Solar didn't complain.
What you are describing isn't part of the rules. Had the rules had a clause about obvious faults in maps being disallowed even if found during a live game, then what you described could have been true.
As is, the game has to be allowed. Had it been disrupted without having rules allowing for that disruption, then the rule book wouldn't be trustworthy. If you can't trust the rules then there is no integrity.
In profession competitions there is a need for every rule to be a written rule. Some rules can be a bit vague and up for interpretation, but if there is nothing stated at all it has to be allowed.
What you are describing is more about PartinG's conscious, his ethics. PartinG played a tournament that is only about winning. PartinG used tactics that used a map specific detail to increase his chances of winning, and he did so while following the rules. PartinG played to win in an event that is about winning. No rules were broken. He got a win according to the rules. That can't be stripped without breaking the rules.
As Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On July 09 2021 19:19 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: They should have a rule concerning this, that the player has to inform GSL. Discovering an exploit or map bug that every map is specifically designed to prevent, with hard and fast rules about the placement of destructible plates for exactly that purpose should not grant you a free win over another competitor.
There should be a rule.
But there is a rule, thats why the destructible tile debris is in every map, is not because mapmakers decide to include it, it is because there is a rule to prevent low ramp blocking the main with a pylon/depot
If it's an official rule you will have no issues of fidning it, right? :D I don't think this is a rule per se. It's more of a silent social agreement respected by most.
Bro i cant even find any ruleset of GSL, is there any. rules in the tournament at this point? Or Zest can break the fingers of his opponent on his next PvP? #OutSmarted #ZestTactics
Well, no one interfeered so it was according to the ruleset GSL follows Otherwise Parting would get a warning Probably no one expected a map with an exploit
On July 09 2021 15:09 Morbidius wrote: Abhorrent organizing by GSL. Really poor quality control on new maps, Solar should have gotten a regame instantly.
Solar getting a redo would have been wildly unfair. It's not like Parting broke any rules by doing what he did, and that would have been all his prep down the drain. Every player had the same opportunities to discover the issue.
Also labeling one issue getting through as "abhorrent" and "really poor" seems a bit harsh. They should have caught it, sure. But the issue hasn't come up before and wouldn't come up at all if Blizzard did basic game maintenance.
Just No, exploits are not fair just the first time and then they are exploits, exploits are exploits from the get go.
If PartinG had discovered that exploit he should have informed the GSL instead of using it to his own advantage. I am very surprised GSL didn't rule out the game and that Solar didn't complain.
Why should he? The map was known to the players before the game and every player had the same opportunities to discover the feature. This is like telling a player not to use Broodlord/Infestor because it's too strong. PartinG played 100% within the rules
On July 09 2021 15:09 Morbidius wrote: Abhorrent organizing by GSL. Really poor quality control on new maps, Solar should have gotten a regame instantly.
Solar getting a redo would have been wildly unfair. It's not like Parting broke any rules by doing what he did, and that would have been all his prep down the drain. Every player had the same opportunities to discover the issue.
Also labeling one issue getting through as "abhorrent" and "really poor" seems a bit harsh. They should have caught it, sure. But the issue hasn't come up before and wouldn't come up at all if Blizzard did basic game maintenance.
Just No, exploits are not fair just the first time and then they are exploits, exploits are exploits from the get go.
If PartinG had discovered that exploit he should have informed the GSL instead of using it to his own advantage. I am very surprised GSL didn't rule out the game and that Solar didn't complain.
What you are describing isn't part of the rules. Had the rules had a clause about obvious faults in maps being disallowed even if found during a live game, then what you described could have been true.
As is, the game has to be allowed. Had it been disrupted without having rules allowing for that disruption, then the rule book wouldn't be trustworthy. If you can't trust the rules then there is no integrity.
In profession competitions there is a need for every rule to be a written rule. Some rules can be a bit vague and up for interpretation, but if there is nothing stated at all it has to be allowed.
What you are describing is more about PartinG's conscious, his ethics. PartinG played a tournament that is only about winning. PartinG used tactics that used a map specific detail to increase his chances of winning, and he did so while following the rules. PartinG played to win in an event that is about winning. No rules were broken. He got a win according to the rules. That can't be stripped without breaking the rules.
As Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On July 09 2021 19:19 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: They should have a rule concerning this, that the player has to inform GSL. Discovering an exploit or map bug that every map is specifically designed to prevent, with hard and fast rules about the placement of destructible plates for exactly that purpose should not grant you a free win over another competitor.
There should be a rule.
But there is a rule, thats why the destructible tile debris is in every map, is not because mapmakers decide to include it, it is because there is a rule to prevent low ramp blocking the main with a pylon/depot
GSL has a precedent with that Byun vs Nestea game back in 2012, where Byun noticed that GSL_Metropolis didn't have the destructible rocks at the bottom of the ramp so he 2-rax bunker blocked Nestea's ramp and won the game. I feel like this Parting situation is most comparable to that.
On July 09 2021 15:09 Morbidius wrote: Abhorrent organizing by GSL. Really poor quality control on new maps, Solar should have gotten a regame instantly.
Solar getting a redo would have been wildly unfair. It's not like Parting broke any rules by doing what he did, and that would have been all his prep down the drain. Every player had the same opportunities to discover the issue.
Also labeling one issue getting through as "abhorrent" and "really poor" seems a bit harsh. They should have caught it, sure. But the issue hasn't come up before and wouldn't come up at all if Blizzard did basic game maintenance.
Just No, exploits are not fair just the first time and then they are exploits, exploits are exploits from the get go.
If PartinG had discovered that exploit he should have informed the GSL instead of using it to his own advantage. I am very surprised GSL didn't rule out the game and that Solar didn't complain.
What you are describing isn't part of the rules. Had the rules had a clause about obvious faults in maps being disallowed even if found during a live game, then what you described could have been true.
As is, the game has to be allowed. Had it been disrupted without having rules allowing for that disruption, then the rule book wouldn't be trustworthy. If you can't trust the rules then there is no integrity.
In profession competitions there is a need for every rule to be a written rule. Some rules can be a bit vague and up for interpretation, but if there is nothing stated at all it has to be allowed.
What you are describing is more about PartinG's conscious, his ethics. PartinG played a tournament that is only about winning. PartinG used tactics that used a map specific detail to increase his chances of winning, and he did so while following the rules. PartinG played to win in an event that is about winning. No rules were broken. He got a win according to the rules. That can't be stripped without breaking the rules.
As Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
On July 09 2021 19:19 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: They should have a rule concerning this, that the player has to inform GSL. Discovering an exploit or map bug that every map is specifically designed to prevent, with hard and fast rules about the placement of destructible plates for exactly that purpose should not grant you a free win over another competitor.
There should be a rule.
But there is a rule, thats why the destructible tile debris is in every map, is not because mapmakers decide to include it, it is because there is a rule to prevent low ramp blocking the main with a pylon/depot
GSL has a precedent with that Byun vs Nestea game back in 2012, where Byun noticed that GSL_Metropolis didn't have the destructible rocks at the bottom of the ramp so he 2-rax bunker blocked Nestea's ramp and won the game. I feel like this Parting situation is most comparable to that.
That was different, back then GSL accidentally used the wrong version of the map. This time they used the correct version and PartinG just used that map to his advantage
Everyone here salty AF about Parting's win. All competitive sports has this, look at Belichick with the Patriots or when the Ravens started hugging everyone to win games (in the NFL). Its no different, but it always results in immediate rules changes or in this case, fixing of maps. They need to vet their maps better, this isn't on the players, they should always exploit all advantages given to them no matter how "immortal" some may think it is, its their profession. Grow up lol
On July 09 2021 15:09 Morbidius wrote: Abhorrent organizing by GSL. Really poor quality control on new maps, Solar should have gotten a regame instantly.
Solar getting a redo would have been wildly unfair. It's not like Parting broke any rules by doing what he did, and that would have been all his prep down the drain. Every player had the same opportunities to discover the issue.
Also labeling one issue getting through as "abhorrent" and "really poor" seems a bit harsh. They should have caught it, sure. But the issue hasn't come up before and wouldn't come up at all if Blizzard did basic game maintenance.
Just No, exploits are not fair just the first time and then they are exploits, exploits are exploits from the get go.
If PartinG had discovered that exploit he should have informed the GSL instead of using it to his own advantage. I am very surprised GSL didn't rule out the game and that Solar didn't complain.
What you are describing isn't part of the rules. Had the rules had a clause about obvious faults in maps being disallowed even if found during a live game, then what you described could have been true.
As is, the game has to be allowed. Had it been disrupted without having rules allowing for that disruption, then the rule book wouldn't be trustworthy. If you can't trust the rules then there is no integrity.
In profession competitions there is a need for every rule to be a written rule. Some rules can be a bit vague and up for interpretation, but if there is nothing stated at all it has to be allowed.
What you are describing is more about PartinG's conscious, his ethics. PartinG played a tournament that is only about winning. PartinG used tactics that used a map specific detail to increase his chances of winning, and he did so while following the rules. PartinG played to win in an event that is about winning. No rules were broken. He got a win according to the rules. That can't be stripped without breaking the rules.
On July 09 2021 19:19 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: They should have a rule concerning this, that the player has to inform GSL. Discovering an exploit or map bug that every map is specifically designed to prevent, with hard and fast rules about the placement of destructible plates for exactly that purpose should not grant you a free win over another competitor.
There should be a rule.
Well, there is the rule and then the spirit of the rule who should prevent stuff like this imo With your logic, bugs like the flying vcs or the carrier dps boost (by multi targets right?) could be used on asl the first time until it gets disallowed.
There's a misunderstanding here. What happened in that parting game is not a bug, it's not an exploit, it's not a glitch.
Was it an unintended? Yeah, but it wasn't units clipping where they shouldn't, hydras doing doble damage like the other poster said, Or units passing through buildings. Or that flying CC that could load units and kill everything:
Those are bugs.
What happened here was a mistake. Resulting in an unintended scenario, but it wasn't cause by a glitch or a problem in the game code. The map simply was badly designed in that specific area. (nd just to be clear, I actually like the map).
But guess what, it's not illegal to have a bad map. We gave had plenty of those. So the ramp being blocked by a single pylon became a feature of the map. An unintended feature? Yeah. But not an exploit.
So what happened, as unfair as it was for Solar, was not illegal. It falls under the category of "shit happens".
On July 10 2021 07:33 [Phantom] wrote: There's a misunderstanding here. What happened in that parting game is not a bug, it's not an exploit, it's not a glitch.
Was it an unintended? Yeah, but it wasn't units clipping where they shouldn't, hydras doing doble damage like the other poster said, Or units passing through buildings. Or that flying CC that could load units and kill everything:
What happened here was a mistake. Resulting in an unintended scenario, but it wasn't cause by a glitch or a problem in the game code. The map simply was badly designed in that area.
But guess what, it's not illegal to have a bad map. We gave had plenty of those. So the ramp being blocked by a single pylon became a feature of the map. An unintended feature? Yeah. But not an exploit.
So what happened, as unfair as it was for Solar, was not illegal. It falls under the category of "shit happens".
Agreed. Some of what people are saying is pretty ridiculous. Parting should not have to give up a point for good research because it "violates the spirit" of something that isn't a rule, or anything to do with GSL, but is just a mapmaker failing to follow standard practice for mapmakers.
If Parting had designed the map then I could see an ethical issue, certainly.
EPT
Otherwise Parting would get a warning 
Probably no one expected a map with an exploit
