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- All matches are Bo3.
- Top 2 players of each group advance to the Playoffs
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[GSL 2021] Code S - Group D
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51452 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51452 Posts
Poll: Who Advances? Trap & PartinG (10) PartinG & Solar (6) Solar & Trap (5) SpeCial & PartinG (3) Trap & SpeCial (2) SpeCial & Solar (1) 27 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): SpeCial & PartinG | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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QOGQOG
825 Posts
Hope I'm wrong since Parting is a fun player. | ||
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Obamarauder
697 Posts
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catplanetcatplanet
3829 Posts
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SenorChang
Australia4729 Posts
hope he does well tonight | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17601 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17601 Posts
this is like a 2010-level exploit | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
Like there's no way that should be possible. | ||
Ziggy
South Korea2105 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2428 Posts
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buzz_bender
445 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17601 Posts
On July 08 2021 19:12 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: That's a completely imbalanced map feature, right? Like there's no way that should be possible. for sure, this is even worse than how easy it was to block the ramp before they added the rubble at the bottoms of the ramps I think that took 3 pylons or 2 bunkers | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17601 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24262 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 08 2021 19:18 WombaT wrote: Poor Solar Well, the first map is no fault of his own, but he definitely should expect this type of play from PartinG considering that's his entire PvZ playstyle ever since he came back from his break | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17601 Posts
nvm lol | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Gogo Trap destroy this clown and hope Solar gets a proper rematch! | ||
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IcemanAsi
Israel681 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 08 2021 19:31 IcemanAsi wrote: so, I have to know, did anyone find watching that enjoyable? Yes | ||
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tigera6
3219 Posts
On July 08 2021 19:31 IcemanAsi wrote: so, I have to know, did anyone find watching that enjoyable? More than Double Stargate opening to die into Queen Walk. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
On July 08 2021 19:33 tigera6 wrote: More than Double Stargate opening to die into Queen Walk. True, thats the saddest kind of PvZ | ||
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IcemanAsi
Israel681 Posts
cool then, can't say I share that feeling. I truly wonder, why? | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
On July 08 2021 19:34 IcemanAsi wrote: cool then, can't say I share that feeling. I truly wonder, why? The inmortal juggling requires some skill and its cool to watch and it all plays different than regular PvZ | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24262 Posts
On July 08 2021 19:31 IcemanAsi wrote: so, I have to know, did anyone find watching that enjoyable? No. I’d enjoy it if it was the first time I’d seen it though. New strategies and creative play is good. Having seen it loads and seemingly never fail (when Parting does it) I file it in the ‘this really shouldn’t be this effective’ folder. | ||
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 08 2021 19:34 IcemanAsi wrote: cool then, can't say I share that feeling. I truly wonder, why? I like diversity in builds. If every game was a 15+ minute macro game like in foreigner land, it'd be boring as shit | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 08 2021 19:45 WombaT wrote: No. I’d enjoy it if it was the first time I’d seen it though. New strategies and creative play is good. Having seen it loads and seemingly never fail (when Parting does it) I file it in the ‘this really shouldn’t be this effective’ folder. Agreed on all fronts. The build feels way too strong for what it is. | ||
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-YoricK-
United States476 Posts
On July 08 2021 19:51 MarianoSC2 wrote: I dont get this game at all :D Trap won 2 engagements very convincingly, but was suddenly behind? PvP is hilarious Parting finished his +3 attack much faster than Trap. Trap didn't even start it until Parting already had +3. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17601 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17601 Posts
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
parting 5-0 in PvP this gsl :p | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2428 Posts
As much as I want Trap in the final, I felt like Solar also deserved that chance to be in Ro.8. | ||
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tigera6
3219 Posts
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darklycid
3373 Posts
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24262 Posts
On July 08 2021 20:15 Andi_Goldberger wrote: zoun, rogue, dark in his bracket, it aint easy being the bigboy Easy enough apparently, just build some variation of buildings outside of your opponent’s base, maybe throw in the odd unit or two. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
On July 08 2021 20:35 Durnuu wrote: Tastosis blaming the observer when it's only SpeCial that never went above 47 SCVs how to sum up tastosis gsl these days in one sentence | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Rough day for Juan. | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On July 08 2021 20:35 Durnuu wrote: Tastosis blaming the observer when it's only SpeCial that never went above 47 SCVs I rewatched and that's not what happened. He said "good catch by the observer" when Specials empty mineral line was shown | ||
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 08 2021 21:19 Charoisaur wrote: I rewatched and that's not what happened. He said "good catch by the observer" when Specials empty mineral line was shown Start listening around 7:10 in game time | ||
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darklycid
3373 Posts
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2428 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
my bad, thought you meant a different scene | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
They were hardly blaming the observer lmao. Tasteless said 'I guess the observer missed it', but he wasn't even sure about it, they were both confused at Special's low worker count. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 08 2021 21:32 AzAlexZ wrote: They were hardly blaming the observer lmao. Tasteless said 'I guess the observer missed it', but he wasn't even sure about it, they were both confused at Special's low worker count. Was a joke, no need to take it so seriously  | ||
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tommey.liang
United States361 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
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ZAWGURN
96 Posts
On July 08 2021 19:13 Durnuu wrote: TLMC map btw, went through the judges I wonder if the TLMC version is different than the GSL version. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2428 Posts
On July 08 2021 21:41 Nakajin wrote: Feels like the most open GSL playoff in a while. Probably the best shot sOs will ever have to win his trophy. Unless he manages to beat Trap which I don't think a possibility yet. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On July 08 2021 21:45 swarminfestor wrote: Unless he manages to beat Trap which I don't think a possibility yet. Its PvP, anything is possible | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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IeZaeL
Italy991 Posts
On July 08 2021 21:42 ZAWGURN wrote: I wonder if the TLMC version is different than the GSL version. As of now, it's not. | ||
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ShakeFishAtSky
5 Posts
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Obamarauder
697 Posts
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tigera6
3219 Posts
On July 08 2021 21:51 MarianoSC2 wrote: Shocking how bad Nautilus is for Zerg. I dont see a situation where Zerg can take a 5th base there. And it also looks kinda sucky for Queen walks and other standard all-ins. Maybe okay for Nydus at least? Its not so bad if they spawn across diagonally, but its too tight for the Zerg to react and defend their 5th on time if they spawn next to each other. | ||
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tigera6
3219 Posts
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Legan
Finland365 Posts
On July 08 2021 22:06 ShakeFishAtSky wrote: Is it fair to Solar？That's a serious bug What you expect? Pro player finds an serious issue with a map, writes down some feedback and notifies map maker and tournament organizers so that issue can be fixed before it impact tournaments? Nah they will not give away any competitive edge they can get. | ||
TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On July 08 2021 22:50 tigera6 wrote: Also, team NV is F with the GSL schedule, all 3 of their guys playing on Monday, and the WTL final day is this Sunday. This is bothering the shit out of me when tournaments cant coordinate among themselves. Well, WTL already avoided DH Season Finals and moved away from their original schedule because of TSL. At some point they have to play it out. It's really hard to not clash with something nowadays. Not that I disagree with you, it's just the unfortunate reality. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16055 Posts
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 08 2021 22:06 ShakeFishAtSky wrote: Is it fair to Solar？That's a serious bug No. It isn't. Map makers / testers missed a serious exploit and he got an autoloss in a competitive game because of it. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On July 08 2021 22:55 TheOneAboveU wrote: Well, WTL already avoided DH Season Finals and moved away from their original schedule because of TSL. At some point they have to play it out. It's really hard to not clash with something nowadays. Not that I disagree with you, it's just the unfortunate reality. Olimoleague ceased in its weekly form and Wardi refrained from creating new tournaments due to overabundance of competitions going on right now; it's not easy to find an ideal schedule. I'm also yet to understand how would they be screwed when the games don't overlap and there are dozen of hours between the matches; not to mention Bunny and DRG face each other. | ||
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Fighter
Korea (South)1531 Posts
Good for him. Bummer about the games though. | ||
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tigera6
3219 Posts
On July 08 2021 23:37 Xain0n wrote: Olimoleague ceased in its weekly form and Wardi refrained from creating new tournaments due to overabundance of competitions going on right now; it's not easy to find an ideal schedule. I'm also yet to understand how would they be screwed when the games don't overlap and there are dozen of hours between the matches; not to mention Bunny and DRG face each other. Its called "preparation" which is a real thing in GSL. Bunny and DRG probably still have to practice for their matches regardless of being on the same team. And you also dont want to give too much effort and build the day before you play without compromising the overall result of the team. | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
That's not how you beat proxy immortal battery. You don't counter atack that's a waste of time. You make queens like crazy, lings, Spines and banelings. The banelings are to focus the batteries. You do not make roach ravager, that's what the protoss want's you to do. That or make a far expantion and rush to mutas. The zerg needs to understand that specially at first it's hard for the protoss to push. You cann't break the hold but the protoss cannot push much either. This gives you time. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On July 09 2021 01:40 [Phantom] wrote: Haven't seen all games but wanted to comment on Solar vs Parting game 2. That's not how you beat proxy immortal battery. You don't counter atack that's a waste of time. You make queens like crazy, lings, Spines and banelings. The banelings are to focus the batteries. You do not make roach ravager, that's what the protoss want's you to do. That or make a far expantion and rush to mutas. The zerg needs to understand that specially at first it's hard for the protoss to push. You cann't break the hold but the protoss cannot push much either. This gives you time. I've not seen Banes used succesfully against that build one time. The best response I've seen to that build is to just tech to Nydus. You can counterattack, force a recall or just migrate everything through there and rebuild somewhere else where all the Protoss buildings are useless. Dark and Rogue have done this a few times succesfully. but yeah, Ling Queen should definitely be used instead of Roach Ravager | ||
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Kitai
United States868 Posts
On July 08 2021 23:29 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: No. It isn't. Map makers / testers missed a serious exploit and he got an autoloss in a competitive game because of it. What happened? | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
The bottom of the ramp into the main base on Oblivion can be blocked with a single pylon (that exposes very little surface area). Parting did this block vs Solar, and followed it up with the usual cannon / shield battery nonsense (and I think a stargate?). | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On July 09 2021 03:23 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: The bottom of the ramp into the main base on Oblivion can be blocked with a single pylon (that exposes very little surface area). Parting did this block vs Solar, and followed it up with the usual cannon / shield battery nonsense (and I think a stargate?). Oh wow... I'd be so pissed if I was Solar. | ||
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QOGQOG
825 Posts
That said, Solar didn't seem especially prepared vs cannon rushes. Game two didn't have the exploit and he died almost as hard. Really wasn't his series. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17601 Posts
On July 09 2021 03:41 QOGQOG wrote: That said, Solar didn't seem especially prepared vs cannon rushes. Game two didn't have the exploit and he died almost as hard. Really wasn't his series. reminds me of that time Byun beat NesTea with a 2 bunker block at the bottom of the ramp, because Byun noticed that GSL was using the wrong version of the map that was missing the rubble | ||
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Luolis
Finland7096 Posts
On July 09 2021 01:40 [Phantom] wrote: Haven't seen all games but wanted to comment on Solar vs Parting game 2. That's not how you beat proxy immortal battery. You don't counter atack that's a waste of time. You make queens like crazy, lings, Spines and banelings. The banelings are to focus the batteries. You do not make roach ravager, that's what the protoss want's you to do. That or make a far expantion and rush to mutas. The zerg needs to understand that specially at first it's hard for the protoss to push. You cann't break the hold but the protoss cannot push much either. This gives you time. This is terrible advice | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
The only games I've lost with it is when they have gone queen/ling/bane spine and focused the batteries with the banelings (specially early on). Or when they have gone mutas. Nydus is actually a good option too. I've never lost to a counter atack either, it just makes it easier for me to push as they have less units. But well, I guess that might just be my games, probably in Master different, as I'm only Diamond 2. Also, finished watching the games. Funny how Special played so bad that last game that casters wouldn't possibly believe that he just wasn't making scs for like 4 minutes. It seems he tried to do a 2 base all in push with a fake 3rd expantion (well, real expantion but just fakes that he would saturate it), but then his push never came until waay too late. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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QOGQOG
825 Posts
On July 09 2021 15:09 Morbidius wrote: Abhorrent organizing by GSL. Really poor quality control on new maps, Solar should have gotten a regame instantly. Solar getting a redo would have been wildly unfair. It's not like Parting broke any rules by doing what he did, and that would have been all his prep down the drain. Every player had the same opportunities to discover the issue. Also labeling one issue getting through as "abhorrent" and "really poor" seems a bit harsh. They should have caught it, sure. But the issue hasn't come up before and wouldn't come up at all if Blizzard did basic game maintenance. | ||
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DarkGamer
Germany316 Posts
On July 09 2021 05:09 [Phantom] wrote: Well I'm not a pro, so yeah maybe my advice doesn't apply to everyone. I'll jut say I've never lost a game where I've proxied immortal batteries agaisn't roach ravager (unless I missclick my prism like an idiot and lose it with two immortals). The only games I've lost with it is when they have gone queen/ling/bane spine and focused the batteries with the banelings (specially early on). Or when they have gone mutas. Nydus is actually a good option too. I've never lost to a counter atack either, it just makes it easier for me to push as they have less units. But well, I guess that might just be my games, probably in Master different, as I'm only Diamond 2. Also, finished watching the games. Funny how Special played so bad that last game that casters wouldn't possibly believe that he just wasn't making scs for like 4 minutes. It seems he tried to do a 2 base all in push with a fake 3rd expantion (well, real expantion but just fakes that he would saturate it), but then his push never came until waay too late. Special did a two base saturation all in. Its sad, that even not the casters didnt mention / understood that. It shows how low level they are in theory-craft (but i still like their casting most of the time). Its easily shown with the early 6. rax btw. Even diamond - master players should see the difference in building timings. Beside Solars great macro, the slow pushing was a problem for special. When he first arrived Solar just had slow banelings! If he would have had a killer instinct he would have pushed much more aggressiv. But all terran player know: pushing fast on creep can back-fire real fast! ;-) | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 09 2021 15:53 DarkGamer wrote: Special did a two base saturation all in. Its sad, that even not the casters didnt mention / understood that. It shows how low level they are in theory-craft (but i still like their casting most of the time). Its easily shown with the early 6. rax btw. Even diamond - master players should see the difference in building timings. Beside Solars great macro, the slow pushing was a problem for special. When he first arrived Solar just had slow banelings! If he would have had a killer instinct he would have pushed much more aggressiv. But all terran player know: pushing fast on creep can back-fire real fast! ;-) They don't play the SC2 and haven't for a long time. So they miss a lot of stuff no matter how good at BW they are. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
On July 09 2021 15:51 QOGQOG wrote: Solar getting a redo would have been wildly unfair. It's not like Parting broke any rules by doing what he did, and that would have been all his prep down the drain. Every player had the same opportunities to discover the issue. Also labeling one issue getting through as "abhorrent" and "really poor" seems a bit harsh. They should have caught it, sure. But the issue hasn't come up before and wouldn't come up at all if Blizzard did basic game maintenance. Just No, exploits are not fair just the first time and then they are exploits, exploits are exploits from the get go. If PartinG had discovered that exploit he should have informed the GSL instead of using it to his own advantage. I am very surprised GSL didn't rule out the game and that Solar didn't complain. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On July 09 2021 19:05 Argonauta wrote: Just No, exploits are not fair just the first time and then they are exploits, exploits are exploits from the get go. If PartinG had discovered that exploit he should have informed the GSL instead of using it to his own advantage. I am very surprised GSL didn't rule out the game and that Solar didn't complain. Y'a it's my thoughts too, it's been officially stated a decade ago that every map needed to be made as to make it impossible to do the low ground ramp wall in. You can't expect Solar to have to defend something that has been banned from the game. (and that is an instant gg the second the pylon goes up) I feel like if you can get a rematch because your pc is bugging, you should also do it when the rules of the game are broken on a map, it's like if hydra randomly did twice the dps on a certain map. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
South Africa1848 Posts
On July 09 2021 19:05 Argonauta wrote: Just No, exploits are not fair just the first time and then they are exploits, exploits are exploits from the get go. If PartinG had discovered that exploit he should have informed the GSL instead of using it to his own advantage. I am very surprised GSL didn't rule out the game and that Solar didn't complain. Strongly agreed. They should have a rule concerning this, that the player has to inform GSL. Discovering an exploit or map bug that every map is specifically designed to prevent, with hard and fast rules about the placement of destructible plates for exactly that purpose should not grant you a free win over another competitor. Solar seemed to take it in good spirit, but I would not have faulted him had he paused the game and made a fuss about it. It also meant that not vetoing that map against Trap would be a massive risk, so even after the Parting series it still arguably puts him at an unfair disadvantage. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On July 09 2021 15:51 QOGQOG wrote: Solar getting a redo would have been wildly unfair. It's not like Parting broke any rules by doing what he did, and that would have been all his prep down the drain. Every player had the same opportunities to discover the issue. Also labeling one issue getting through as "abhorrent" and "really poor" seems a bit harsh. They should have caught it, sure. But the issue hasn't come up before and wouldn't come up at all if Blizzard did basic game maintenance. Yes his prep should have went down the drain for abusing an exploit instead of notifying the tournament that a map has an exploit. | ||
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Drfilip
Sweden590 Posts
On July 09 2021 19:05 Argonauta wrote: Just No, exploits are not fair just the first time and then they are exploits, exploits are exploits from the get go. If PartinG had discovered that exploit he should have informed the GSL instead of using it to his own advantage. I am very surprised GSL didn't rule out the game and that Solar didn't complain. What you are describing isn't part of the rules. Had the rules had a clause about obvious faults in maps being disallowed even if found during a live game, then what you described could have been true. As is, the game has to be allowed. Had it been disrupted without having rules allowing for that disruption, then the rule book wouldn't be trustworthy. If you can't trust the rules then there is no integrity. In profession competitions there is a need for every rule to be a written rule. Some rules can be a bit vague and up for interpretation, but if there is nothing stated at all it has to be allowed. What you are describing is more about PartinG's conscious, his ethics. PartinG played a tournament that is only about winning. PartinG used tactics that used a map specific detail to increase his chances of winning, and he did so while following the rules. PartinG played to win in an event that is about winning. No rules were broken. He got a win according to the rules. That can't be stripped without breaking the rules. As Ciaus_Dronu wrote: On July 09 2021 19:19 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: They should have a rule concerning this, that the player has to inform GSL. Discovering an exploit or map bug that every map is specifically designed to prevent, with hard and fast rules about the placement of destructible plates for exactly that purpose should not grant you a free win over another competitor. There should be a rule. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
On July 09 2021 21:00 Drfilip wrote: What you are describing isn't part of the rules. Had the rules had a clause about obvious faults in maps being disallowed even if found during a live game, then what you described could have been true. As is, the game has to be allowed. Had it been disrupted without having rules allowing for that disruption, then the rule book wouldn't be trustworthy. If you can't trust the rules then there is no integrity. In profession competitions there is a need for every rule to be a written rule. Some rules can be a bit vague and up for interpretation, but if there is nothing stated at all it has to be allowed. What you are describing is more about PartinG's conscious, his ethics. PartinG played a tournament that is only about winning. PartinG used tactics that used a map specific detail to increase his chances of winning, and he did so while following the rules. PartinG played to win in an event that is about winning. No rules were broken. He got a win according to the rules. That can't be stripped without breaking the rules. As Ciaus_Dronu wrote: There should be a rule. But there is a rule, thats why the destructible tile debris is in every map, is not because mapmakers decide to include it, it is because there is a rule to prevent low ramp blocking the main with a pylon/depot | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 09 2021 21:17 Argonauta wrote: But there is a rule, thats why the destructible tile debris is in every map, is not because mapmakers decide to include it, it is because there is a rule to prevent low ramp blocking the main with a pylon/depot If it's an official rule you will have no issues of fidning it, right? :D I don't think this is a rule per se. It's more of a silent social agreement respected by most. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
On July 09 2021 21:22 deacon.frost wrote: If it's an official rule you will have no issues of fidning it, right? :D I don't think this is a rule per se. It's more of a silent social agreement respected by most. Bro i cant even find any ruleset of GSL, is there any. rules in the tournament at this point? Or Zest can break the fingers of his opponent on his next PvP? #OutSmarted #ZestTactics | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 09 2021 21:38 Argonauta wrote: Bro i cant even find any ruleset of GSL, is there any. rules in the tournament at this point? Or Zest can break the fingers of his opponent on his next PvP? #OutSmarted #ZestTactics Well, no one interfeered so it was according to the ruleset GSL follows Otherwise Parting would get a warning  Probably no one expected a map with an exploit | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On July 09 2021 19:05 Argonauta wrote: Just No, exploits are not fair just the first time and then they are exploits, exploits are exploits from the get go. If PartinG had discovered that exploit he should have informed the GSL instead of using it to his own advantage. I am very surprised GSL didn't rule out the game and that Solar didn't complain. Why should he? The map was known to the players before the game and every player had the same opportunities to discover the feature. This is like telling a player not to use Broodlord/Infestor because it's too strong. PartinG played 100% within the rules | ||
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Luolis
Finland7096 Posts
On July 09 2021 21:17 Argonauta wrote: But there is a rule, thats why the destructible tile debris is in every map, is not because mapmakers decide to include it, it is because there is a rule to prevent low ramp blocking the main with a pylon/depot GSL has a precedent with that Byun vs Nestea game back in 2012, where Byun noticed that GSL_Metropolis didn't have the destructible rocks at the bottom of the ramp so he 2-rax bunker blocked Nestea's ramp and won the game. I feel like this Parting situation is most comparable to that. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On July 09 2021 22:26 Luolis wrote: GSL has a precedent with that Byun vs Nestea game back in 2012, where Byun noticed that GSL_Metropolis didn't have the destructible rocks at the bottom of the ramp so he 2-rax bunker blocked Nestea's ramp and won the game. I feel like this Parting situation is most comparable to that. That was different, back then GSL accidentally used the wrong version of the map. This time they used the correct version and PartinG just used that map to his advantage | ||
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asongdotnet
United States1060 Posts
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Durnuu
13319 Posts
On July 09 2021 23:47 asongdotnet wrote: Who is the new GSL hostess? No more Gyuri? I don't know what you're talking about, Gyuri is right there interviewing the players. Unless you're talking about someone else I didn't see | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19201 Posts
On July 10 2021 00:08 Durnuu wrote: I don't know what you're talking about, Gyuri is right there interviewing the players. Unless you're talking about someone else I didn't see We can't verify her ID if we can't see her legs. | ||
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Obamarauder
697 Posts
On July 10 2021 01:04 BisuDagger wrote: We can't verify her ID if we can't see her legs. wtf does this mean? | ||
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GoSuNamhciR
124 Posts
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stilt
France2743 Posts
On July 09 2021 21:00 Drfilip wrote: What you are describing isn't part of the rules. Had the rules had a clause about obvious faults in maps being disallowed even if found during a live game, then what you described could have been true. As is, the game has to be allowed. Had it been disrupted without having rules allowing for that disruption, then the rule book wouldn't be trustworthy. If you can't trust the rules then there is no integrity. In profession competitions there is a need for every rule to be a written rule. Some rules can be a bit vague and up for interpretation, but if there is nothing stated at all it has to be allowed. What you are describing is more about PartinG's conscious, his ethics. PartinG played a tournament that is only about winning. PartinG used tactics that used a map specific detail to increase his chances of winning, and he did so while following the rules. PartinG played to win in an event that is about winning. No rules were broken. He got a win according to the rules. That can't be stripped without breaking the rules. As Ciaus_Dronu wrote: There should be a rule. Well, there is the rule and then the spirit of the rule who should prevent stuff like this imo With your logic, bugs like the flying vcs or the carrier dps boost (by multi targets right?) could be used on asl the first time until it gets disallowed. | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
Was it an unintended? Yeah, but it wasn't units clipping where they shouldn't, hydras doing doble damage like the other poster said, Or units passing through buildings. Or that flying CC that could load units and kill everything: Those are bugs. What happened here was a mistake. Resulting in an unintended scenario, but it wasn't cause by a glitch or a problem in the game code. The map simply was badly designed in that specific area. (nd just to be clear, I actually like the map). But guess what, it's not illegal to have a bad map. We gave had plenty of those. So the ramp being blocked by a single pylon became a feature of the map. An unintended feature? Yeah. But not an exploit. So what happened, as unfair as it was for Solar, was not illegal. It falls under the category of "shit happens". | ||
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QOGQOG
825 Posts
On July 10 2021 07:33 [Phantom] wrote: There's a misunderstanding here. What happened in that parting game is not a bug, it's not an exploit, it's not a glitch. Was it an unintended? Yeah, but it wasn't units clipping where they shouldn't, hydras doing doble damage like the other poster said, Or units passing through buildings. Or that flying CC that could load units and kill everything: https://youtu.be/yAlF7nniS7g Those are bugs. What happened here was a mistake. Resulting in an unintended scenario, but it wasn't cause by a glitch or a problem in the game code. The map simply was badly designed in that area. But guess what, it's not illegal to have a bad map. We gave had plenty of those. So the ramp being blocked by a single pylon became a feature of the map. An unintended feature? Yeah. But not an exploit. So what happened, as unfair as it was for Solar, was not illegal. It falls under the category of "shit happens". Agreed. Some of what people are saying is pretty ridiculous. Parting should not have to give up a point for good research because it "violates the spirit" of something that isn't a rule, or anything to do with GSL, but is just a mapmaker failing to follow standard practice for mapmakers. If Parting had designed the map then I could see an ethical issue, certainly. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2704 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On July 10 2021 09:02 argonautdice wrote: Does anyone know if they're gonna keep using that map in GSL or did they already fix it? I've been told that yes they're fixing it before the next round (and also fixing the misplaced base marker). | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19201 Posts
When she does pre-interviews she is super leggy, but she has been wearing very conservative outfits and not showing legs in post interviews this past round. I honestly thought something might be going on with her lately and hope she’s okay. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4902 Posts
And regardless of that, PartinG got and underserved win and the GSL crew should be a bit embarrassed of it. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24262 Posts
On July 10 2021 06:27 GoSuNamhciR wrote: Everyone here salty AF about Parting's win. All competitive sports has this, look at Belichick with the Patriots or when the Ravens started hugging everyone to win games (in the NFL). Its no different, but it always results in immediate rules changes or in this case, fixing of maps. They need to vet their maps better, this isn't on the players, they should always exploit all advantages given to them no matter how "immortal" some may think it is, its their profession. Grow up lol I’ve zero issue with it from Parting’s execution of it, like at all really. I guess many in the scene are good friends outside of the game so can’t really comment on those dynamics, I’d have been super pissed if I was Solar with the ‘thanks to the mapmaker’ comment haha. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15878 Posts
On July 10 2021 07:33 [Phantom] wrote: There's a misunderstanding here. What happened in that parting game is not a bug, it's not an exploit, it's not a glitch. Was it an unintended? Yeah, but it wasn't units clipping where they shouldn't, hydras doing doble damage like the other poster said, Or units passing through buildings. Or that flying CC that could load units and kill everything: https://youtu.be/yAlF7nniS7g Those are bugs. What happened here was a mistake. Resulting in an unintended scenario, but it wasn't cause by a glitch or a problem in the game code. The map simply was badly designed in that specific area. (nd just to be clear, I actually like the map). But guess what, it's not illegal to have a bad map. We gave had plenty of those. So the ramp being blocked by a single pylon became a feature of the map. An unintended feature? Yeah. But not an exploit. So what happened, as unfair as it was for Solar, was not illegal. It falls under the category of "shit happens". yeah you phrased it better than I could | ||
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Kitai
United States868 Posts
Agreed 100%. And for people saying there should be a rule that a player has to report something, I wholeheartedly disagree. It's not at all (nor should it be) the players' responsibility to get design flaws in maps fixed. My assumption is that if Solar or any other GSL player discovered it beforehand they could have said something and gotten it changed if they wanted to. But they didn't figure it out, PartinG did, and he got the W. Whether or not you think it was "dirty" or "dishonorable" is up to you, but I don't think it justifies a new rule. | ||
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GoSuNamhciR
124 Posts
On July 10 2021 16:50 WombaT wrote: I’ve zero issue with it from Parting’s execution of it, like at all really. I guess many in the scene are good friends outside of the game so can’t really comment on those dynamics, I’d have been super pissed if I was Solar with the ‘thanks to the mapmaker’ comment haha. Oh for sure it sucks for Solar lol, he's really had a rough year with Maru nuking his entire army in a game he had won and now this for losing in tournaments lol. Gotta love Parting though, dude is so fun to watch. | ||
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Garbo1
49 Posts
Parting is looking to be in championship form. I think DRT beats Bunny, Trap beats sOs, Dark beats Rogue, Parting beats Zoun. But next round is a tough call. Trap beats DRG but I'm not sure Parting can beat Dark. I think Trap beats Dark, Dark beats Parting, Parting beats Trap... so might be a Trap win unless Parting can beat Dark. | ||
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