EPTNeXT 2021 Season 1 SC2 Masters - Page 4
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Durnuu
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thickertom
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Harris1st
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Xain0n
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SmoKim
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Xain0n
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tigera6
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On June 09 2021 20:46 Xain0n wrote: Maru's turtling style simply is not working against Serral. He get the wrong army composition by a mile, Serral was never on mass Lurker, it was still LingBaneUltra and Maru got almost none widow mines to deal with it. Serral then just simply rolling in the banes and taking control of the map while trading out for PF. Maru cant do a thing about it because he was simply too dried out despite trading heavily favorite. At one points Maru was making 5-6 Vikings for no apparent reason, maybe hes expecting the switch to Broodlord? Just simply out-played and out-strategized on both games. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6922 Posts
On June 09 2021 21:03 tigera6 wrote: He get the wrong army composition by a mile, Serral was never on mass Lurker, it was still LingBaneUltra and Maru got almost none widow mines to deal with it. Serral then just simply rolling in the banes and taking control of the map while trading out for PF. Maru cant do a thing about it because he was simply too dried out despite trading heavily favorite. At one points Maru was making 5-6 Vikings for no apparent reason, maybe hes expecting the switch to Broodlord? Just simply out-played and out-strategized on both games. There was an Ultra? Serral dominated him start to finish and gave him no time to brearth. Did Maru even kill a drone in this game? | ||
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dysenterymd
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fLyiNgDroNe
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Match history (bo3+) since January 2020: non zvz: 102 wins vs 14 losses (7 of which are to Clem only and 7 to EVERY OTHER NON-ZERG COMBINED) zvz: 33 wins vs 17 losses Kinda self-explanatory. Can't win championships with Rogue, Solar, Dark and Reynor around ... | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
It's not a matter of practice, it looks like he's not at ease playing in a meta and on maps that favour styles so much different from the standard one he was so utterly dominating with. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4004 Posts
I mean its strange to me that a player of this caliber would have issues adapting to meta. However your point of him being strong in this particular match-up in long games excelling in scouting, defensive army positioning and multi-tasking is valid. We all remember in Montreal every zerg was trying to counter Serral by cutting some corners knowing his super-safe style of play. Today they either don't let him get there without huge disadvantage or "force" some weird all-in play which does not suit his playstyle, regardless of what Rotti says. Still. Not being able to adapt with all the practice vs top zergs is strange to me. | ||
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Starcloud
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I think that Serral is actually bit like Idra in one particular way; they both hate ALL builds that are not optimal or that are somehow "stupid" in their opinion. They like to play "perfect" and assume that their opponents do the same in most cases. However, at ZvZ that can be ignored if you want to surprise your opponent. All it takes is to miss one round of units and its all over, however "stupid" that may be. In the old meta, even scouting things bit late didnt mean a defeat for Serral. However now that is changed and it seems Serral has difficulties to catch up. In addition, I think he still plays too passively in ZvZ. In most maps that he wins, he takes the initiative. Like flyingdrone said above, people do the weird, even "stupid" plays to get Serral off guard. Serral is exceptionally good at scouting, but he rarely does double check on things and that is what players use against him many times. Serral scouts early roach warren ? Then opponent just drones up quickly and gets far ahead. He scouts early lair ? In 40 seconds there is a ling/bane flood in his doorsteps. In a stream recently Serral said that "well this map I scouted xxxx and he just did yyyyyy" for multiple times. But he never said even a single thing about how to counter those situations. He even added that "If I just scouted xxxx earlier, then its an easy win. That was just poor play". If he cant change that thought process, he can never catch up the top zergs. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On June 10 2021 02:14 Starcloud wrote: The next things are purely of Serrals ZvZ. In other matchups he is still a monster, maybe even best of the best. And by no means his ZvZ is not bad, its just not supreme like his other matchups. I think that Serral is actually bit like Idra in one particular way; they both hate ALL builds that are not optimal or that are somehow "stupid" in their opinion. They like to play "perfect" and assume that their opponents do the same in most cases. However, at ZvZ that can be ignored if you want to surprise your opponent. All it takes is to miss one round of units and its all over, however "stupid" that may be. In the old meta, even scouting things bit late didnt mean a defeat for Serral. However now that is changed and it seems Serral has difficulties to catch up. In addition, I think he still plays too passively in ZvZ. In most maps that he wins, he takes the initiative. Like flyingdrone said above, people do the weird, even "stupid" plays to get Serral off guard. Serral is exceptionally good at scouting, but he rarely does double check on things and that is what players use against him many times. Serral scouts early roach warren ? Then opponent just drones up quickly and gets far ahead. He scouts early lair ? In 40 seconds there is a ling/bane flood in his doorsteps. In a stream recently Serral said that "well this map I scouted xxxx and he just did yyyyyy" for multiple times. But he never said even a single thing about how to counter those situations. He even added that "If I just scouted xxxx earlier, then its an easy win. That was just poor play". If he cant change that thought process, he can never catch up the top zergs. I don't buy this "it's all in his thought process/mentality" explanation. You're overreading into the things he says. Serral does mix it up, and do his fair share of "stupid" builds. It's like when people claim that "Serral is bad against mutas". Not really, it's just that mutas are very strong in ZvZ when you don't get hardcountered and die while transitioning into them. ZvZ's simply a tricky match-up that a lot of the European pros get a lot of practice in, and the symmetry of a mirror match-up makes the skill set needed for it somewhat different than the other match-ups. There doesn't need to be a deep explanation for why Serral's not as good at it than his other match-ups. Players frequently have a worst match-up. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On June 10 2021 06:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I don't buy this "it's all in his thought process/mentality" explanation. You're overreading into the things he says. Serral does mix it up, and do his fair share of "stupid" builds. It's like when people claim that "Serral is bad against mutas". Not really, it's just that mutas are very strong in ZvZ when you don't get hardcountered and die while transitioning into them. ZvZ's simply a tricky match-up that a lot of the European pros get a lot of practice in, and the symmetry of a mirror match-up makes the skill set needed for it somewhat different than the other match-ups. There doesn't need to be a deep explanation for why Serral's not as good at it than his other match-ups. Players frequently have a worst match-up. It's not as easy as you are making it to be, too; Serral's ZvZ used to be at least on par, if not better, with his other matchups and it dropped quite abruptly and quite relevantly in 2020/2021. The question is why this change happened, historically Serral's ZvZ is not his weakest and not even a weak matchup by any standard. | ||
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parksonsc
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On June 10 2021 14:22 parksonsc wrote: Why are we talking too much about a player who couldn't manage top 4 Europe? Given that he's playing in the current group, all this Serral talk is actually on topic for once. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6922 Posts
On June 10 2021 14:22 parksonsc wrote: Why are we talking too much about a player who couldn't manage top 4 Europe? I don't even... Anyone know what happened to the second match yesterday? | ||
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tigera6
3381 Posts
On June 10 2021 16:23 Harris1st wrote: I don't even... Anyone know what happened to the second match yesterday? It was re-scheduled to today due to some technical issue with the player. Edit: Goddamn, it started 1hr early today, just missed the first match of Zest vs MaxPax. | ||
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darklycid
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