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DRG and Armani representing Korean Zergs in GSL RO8. You love to see it.
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On October 10 2020 19:48 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2020 19:12 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2020 19:09 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 18:46 deacon.frost wrote:On October 10 2020 18:23 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 18:18 deacon.frost wrote:On October 10 2020 18:03 Swisslink wrote:On October 10 2020 17:57 deacon.frost wrote:On October 10 2020 17:52 Swisslink wrote:On October 10 2020 17:35 deacon.frost wrote:[quote] Wrong, wrong, wrong! I cannot tell you how much wrong are you, check the results and for example who won the WC titles. Also you realize Rogue won more than Serral this year? so who are the 2 people?  The fact that few players win most of the tournaments just means that the game is at a very stable spot with random bullshittery no longer determining the outcome of the tournaments, imo. Whether that‘s a good thing from a viewer perspective is an entirely different conversation. Weird games have alsways been awesome to watch. But having players that are able to consistently perform really well and having them rarely fall to underdogs who just throw some weird builds they could not have possibly seen coming at them is - at least from a competitive standpoint - a good thing. Yes, and all of them are zergs, what a coincidence. For 3 years the game is great. If you're zerg. C'mon... That‘s mainly a result of Europa having caught up with Korea in some parts and Europe traditionally having tons of Zerg players. It‘s mostly two, to be honest and they both are from Europe, a scene that has traditionally been dominated by Zerg. In Korea, the Zerg dominance is far less severe. sure, that must be it. Rogue winning Blizzcon and 2 IEMs has everything about Korea. Or Dark winning Blizzcon or soO winning IEM. Like look, I don't mind zergs winning, I mind zergs winning all the time. I want to see other champions, you know, so, I don't know, it's about me looking forward for a Protoss champ more than once in a blue moon. On October 10 2020 18:18 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 18:02 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2020 17:30 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 17:02 Tsubbi wrote:
korean zerg level is so disappointing compared to europe atm SHHHHHHH. These people aren't supposed to know that zerg isn't actually op, and that it's just the top two players skewing the statistics with their superior consistency. Please be respectful as to not dispel their delusion prematurely. Let it melt slowly and painfully before their myopic eyes. Serral: 38% of Zerg victories since 2018 Maru: 55% of Terran victories since 2018 Maru is skewing the statistics for terran harder than Serral for Zerg. All brain cells have just died. Congratulations. You have accomplished your goal. Jk there's a couple left. Not many needed to debunk stupid. What's your source, and what is a "victory"? Their forms: http://aligulac.com/players/485-Serral/http://aligulac.com/players/49-Maru/Their all-times: http://aligulac.com/players/485-Serral/http://aligulac.com/players/49-Maru/Serral's non-mirror %s are significantly better. If Maru is skewing more, then maybe aligulac is broken and your imaginary data points prove me wrong. And, I'm not even talking about JUST Serral. The other zerg is arguably just as strong this year as Serral. You know who. Don't use words you don;'t know what they mean. In the terms of skewing statistics he's right, Maru is bigger anomaly than Serral. ALSO give us the names of them zergs skewing statistics and their titles! I used elementary words. I guess, to you, they must be pretty high-level. I don't know what data you have to back up your opinion, but it seems people around here rely more on feelings than data. "Titles" don't mean much, unless you think whatever the die lands on is more important than consistent results. Try to use them correctly the next time then. The names! Where are the 2 names!!!! Oooof! If you still don't know who the two best zergs are, there's nothing anyone can say that will help you. Thanks for correcting my English, Professor. Funny that while you neglect to point out those words, you insist upon my giving you names that should already be apparent. You brought a genuine smile to my face. Always entertaining witnessing a Dunning Kruger effect exhibition. Rogue and Reynor I guess since they won the most this year? 2020 Forms, Serral vs Rogue: http://aligulac.com/players/485/results/?after=2020-01-01&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/players/1662/results/?after=2020-01-01&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Rogue isn't even in the same ball-park as Serral. How's your view over there? Is your world warping and tearing, yet? But, whatever... "muh titles"
People are complaining about Zergs winning too many tournaments - not about Serral having a too high winrate, so your statistics are meaningless in this context.
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Is there a strategic reason for creating a group of death? Why do players keep doing this to themselves... RIP Rogue
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On October 10 2020 21:34 tskarzyn wrote:
Is there a strategic reason for creating a group of death? Why do players keep doing this to themselves... RIP Rogue
Its goal is perhaps to prove the point I've been hammering for years:
These tournament formats suck hard, and produce more or less dice-rolled 1st place winners. I mean, at least foreign organizers try to make it more sophisticated with a lower bracket, but these Koreans don't even bother. Lack of sophistication, in favor of "tension" and "excitement." Whatever. The way to grow SC2 is to set it apart form other esports. The game is clearly more cerebral than every other video game, so why not try to set up the tournaments to match? Why keep going with this archaic, overly simplistic single-elim BS? At the very least, group players based on their proven skill levels. No change = no progress.
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On October 10 2020 21:25 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2020 19:48 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 19:12 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2020 19:09 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 18:46 deacon.frost wrote:On October 10 2020 18:23 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 18:18 deacon.frost wrote:On October 10 2020 18:03 Swisslink wrote:On October 10 2020 17:57 deacon.frost wrote:On October 10 2020 17:52 Swisslink wrote:
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The fact that few players win most of the tournaments just means that the game is at a very stable spot with random bullshittery no longer determining the outcome of the tournaments, imo. Whether that‘s a good thing from a viewer perspective is an entirely different conversation. Weird games have alsways been awesome to watch. But having players that are able to consistently perform really well and having them rarely fall to underdogs who just throw some weird builds they could not have possibly seen coming at them is - at least from a competitive standpoint - a good thing. Yes, and all of them are zergs, what a coincidence. For 3 years the game is great. If you're zerg. C'mon... That‘s mainly a result of Europa having caught up with Korea in some parts and Europe traditionally having tons of Zerg players. It‘s mostly two, to be honest and they both are from Europe, a scene that has traditionally been dominated by Zerg. In Korea, the Zerg dominance is far less severe. sure, that must be it. Rogue winning Blizzcon and 2 IEMs has everything about Korea. Or Dark winning Blizzcon or soO winning IEM. Like look, I don't mind zergs winning, I mind zergs winning all the time. I want to see other champions, you know, so, I don't know, it's about me looking forward for a Protoss champ more than once in a blue moon. On October 10 2020 18:18 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 18:02 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2020 17:30 tigon_ridge wrote:
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SHHHHHHH. These people aren't supposed to know that zerg isn't actually op, and that it's just the top two players skewing the statistics with their superior consistency. Please be respectful as to not dispel their delusion prematurely. Let it melt slowly and painfully before their myopic eyes. Serral: 38% of Zerg victories since 2018 Maru: 55% of Terran victories since 2018 Maru is skewing the statistics for terran harder than Serral for Zerg. All brain cells have just died. Congratulations. You have accomplished your goal. Jk there's a couple left. Not many needed to debunk stupid. What's your source, and what is a "victory"? Their forms: http://aligulac.com/players/485-Serral/http://aligulac.com/players/49-Maru/Their all-times: http://aligulac.com/players/485-Serral/http://aligulac.com/players/49-Maru/Serral's non-mirror %s are significantly better. If Maru is skewing more, then maybe aligulac is broken and your imaginary data points prove me wrong. And, I'm not even talking about JUST Serral. The other zerg is arguably just as strong this year as Serral. You know who. Don't use words you don;'t know what they mean. In the terms of skewing statistics he's right, Maru is bigger anomaly than Serral. ALSO give us the names of them zergs skewing statistics and their titles! I used elementary words. I guess, to you, they must be pretty high-level. I don't know what data you have to back up your opinion, but it seems people around here rely more on feelings than data. "Titles" don't mean much, unless you think whatever the die lands on is more important than consistent results. Try to use them correctly the next time then. The names! Where are the 2 names!!!! Oooof! If you still don't know who the two best zergs are, there's nothing anyone can say that will help you. Thanks for correcting my English, Professor. Funny that while you neglect to point out those words, you insist upon my giving you names that should already be apparent. You brought a genuine smile to my face. Always entertaining witnessing a Dunning Kruger effect exhibition. Rogue and Reynor I guess since they won the most this year? 2020 Forms, Serral vs Rogue: http://aligulac.com/players/485/results/?after=2020-01-01&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/players/1662/results/?after=2020-01-01&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Rogue isn't even in the same ball-park as Serral. How's your view over there? Is your world warping and tearing, yet? But, whatever... "muh titles" People are complaining about Zergs winning too many tournaments - not about Serral having a too high winrate, so your statistics are meaningless in this context.
LoL I'm not playing your "move the goal post" game. You were asking for who the top 2 zergs are, and I implicitly gave you the answer in that post...which you obviously don't like. 2 + 2 = 5 is what you wanted to hear. Btw, no, Rogue/Dark isn't the other zerg.
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On October 10 2020 21:53 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2020 21:25 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2020 19:48 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 19:12 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2020 19:09 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 18:46 deacon.frost wrote:On October 10 2020 18:23 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 18:18 deacon.frost wrote:On October 10 2020 18:03 Swisslink wrote:On October 10 2020 17:57 deacon.frost wrote:
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Yes, and all of them are zergs, what a coincidence. For 3 years the game is great. If you're zerg. C'mon... That‘s mainly a result of Europa having caught up with Korea in some parts and Europe traditionally having tons of Zerg players. It‘s mostly two, to be honest and they both are from Europe, a scene that has traditionally been dominated by Zerg. In Korea, the Zerg dominance is far less severe. sure, that must be it. Rogue winning Blizzcon and 2 IEMs has everything about Korea. Or Dark winning Blizzcon or soO winning IEM. Like look, I don't mind zergs winning, I mind zergs winning all the time. I want to see other champions, you know, so, I don't know, it's about me looking forward for a Protoss champ more than once in a blue moon. On October 10 2020 18:18 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 18:02 Charoisaur wrote:
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Serral: 38% of Zerg victories since 2018
Maru: 55% of Terran victories since 2018
Maru is skewing the statistics for terran harder than Serral for Zerg. All brain cells have just died. Congratulations. You have accomplished your goal. Jk there's a couple left. Not many needed to debunk stupid. What's your source, and what is a "victory"? Their forms: http://aligulac.com/players/485-Serral/http://aligulac.com/players/49-Maru/Their all-times: http://aligulac.com/players/485-Serral/http://aligulac.com/players/49-Maru/Serral's non-mirror %s are significantly better. If Maru is skewing more, then maybe aligulac is broken and your imaginary data points prove me wrong. And, I'm not even talking about JUST Serral. The other zerg is arguably just as strong this year as Serral. You know who. Don't use words you don;'t know what they mean. In the terms of skewing statistics he's right, Maru is bigger anomaly than Serral. ALSO give us the names of them zergs skewing statistics and their titles! I used elementary words. I guess, to you, they must be pretty high-level. I don't know what data you have to back up your opinion, but it seems people around here rely more on feelings than data. "Titles" don't mean much, unless you think whatever the die lands on is more important than consistent results. Try to use them correctly the next time then. The names! Where are the 2 names!!!! Oooof! If you still don't know who the two best zergs are, there's nothing anyone can say that will help you. Thanks for correcting my English, Professor. Funny that while you neglect to point out those words, you insist upon my giving you names that should already be apparent. You brought a genuine smile to my face. Always entertaining witnessing a Dunning Kruger effect exhibition. Rogue and Reynor I guess since they won the most this year? 2020 Forms, Serral vs Rogue: http://aligulac.com/players/485/results/?after=2020-01-01&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/players/1662/results/?after=2020-01-01&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Rogue isn't even in the same ball-park as Serral. How's your view over there? Is your world warping and tearing, yet? But, whatever... "muh titles" People are complaining about Zergs winning too many tournaments - not about Serral having a too high winrate, so your statistics are meaningless in this context. LoL I'm not playing your "move the goal post" game. You were asking for who the top 2 zergs are, and I implicitly gave you the answer in that post...which you obviously don't like. 2 + 2 = 5 is what you wanted to hear. Btw, no, Rogue/Dark isn't the other zerg.
you moved the goalpost.
SHHHHHHH. These people aren't supposed to know that zerg isn't actually op, and that it's just the top two players skewing the statistics with their superior consistency. Please be respectful as to not dispel their delusion prematurely. Let it melt slowly and painfully before their myopic eyes.
this is what you wrote if you remember.
and people are not complaining because Serral's winrate is too high but because Zergs are winning to many tournaments - and Reynor and Serral are not the only contributors to that...
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On October 10 2020 22:04 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2020 21:53 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 21:25 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2020 19:48 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 19:12 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2020 19:09 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 18:46 deacon.frost wrote:On October 10 2020 18:23 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 18:18 deacon.frost wrote:On October 10 2020 18:03 Swisslink wrote:
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That‘s mainly a result of Europa having caught up with Korea in some parts and Europe traditionally having tons of Zerg players. It‘s mostly two, to be honest and they both are from Europe, a scene that has traditionally been dominated by Zerg. In Korea, the Zerg dominance is far less severe. sure, that must be it. Rogue winning Blizzcon and 2 IEMs has everything about Korea. Or Dark winning Blizzcon or soO winning IEM. Like look, I don't mind zergs winning, I mind zergs winning all the time. I want to see other champions, you know, so, I don't know, it's about me looking forward for a Protoss champ more than once in a blue moon. Don't use words you don;'t know what they mean. In the terms of skewing statistics he's right, Maru is bigger anomaly than Serral. ALSO give us the names of them zergs skewing statistics and their titles! I used elementary words. I guess, to you, they must be pretty high-level. I don't know what data you have to back up your opinion, but it seems people around here rely more on feelings than data. "Titles" don't mean much, unless you think whatever the die lands on is more important than consistent results. Try to use them correctly the next time then. The names! Where are the 2 names!!!! Oooof! If you still don't know who the two best zergs are, there's nothing anyone can say that will help you. Thanks for correcting my English, Professor. Funny that while you neglect to point out those words, you insist upon my giving you names that should already be apparent. You brought a genuine smile to my face. Always entertaining witnessing a Dunning Kruger effect exhibition. Rogue and Reynor I guess since they won the most this year? 2020 Forms, Serral vs Rogue: http://aligulac.com/players/485/results/?after=2020-01-01&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/players/1662/results/?after=2020-01-01&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Rogue isn't even in the same ball-park as Serral. How's your view over there? Is your world warping and tearing, yet? But, whatever... "muh titles" People are complaining about Zergs winning too many tournaments - not about Serral having a too high winrate, so your statistics are meaningless in this context. LoL I'm not playing your "move the goal post" game. You were asking for who the top 2 zergs are, and I implicitly gave you the answer in that post...which you obviously don't like. 2 + 2 = 5 is what you wanted to hear. Btw, no, Rogue/Dark isn't the other zerg. you moved the goalpost. Show nested quote +
SHHHHHHH. These people aren't supposed to know that zerg isn't actually op, and that it's just the top two players skewing the statistics with their superior consistency. Please be respectful as to not dispel their delusion prematurely. Let it melt slowly and painfully before their myopic eyes.
this is what you wrote if you remember. and people are not complaining because Serral's winrate is too high but because Zergs are winning to many tournaments - and Reynor and Serral are not the only contributors to that...
I don't know why you're doing this. Desperate attempt at saving face? I clearly was just specifically answering your question about who are the best players in that post. Regarding the latter post you quoted, I've already argued that point with data to support.
So, your counterargument is that Reynor and Serral are not the only disproportionate contributors to zerg's dominance this year. Where's your data for this? The fact that Rogue won a tournament? That's not statistically relevant. Oh, but here I go again lecturing on statistics, and how tourny wins are not a useful number... Literally, if it were, players like soO and Scarlett would've been considered stronger than Serral at some point with those big $$$$ tournament wins (absolutely hilarious).
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On October 10 2020 21:49 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2020 21:34 tskarzyn wrote:
Is there a strategic reason for creating a group of death? Why do players keep doing this to themselves... RIP Rogue Its goal is perhaps to prove the point I've been hammering for years: These tournament formats suck hard, and produce more or less dice-rolled 1st place winners. I mean, at least foreign organizers try to make it more sophisticated with a lower bracket, but these Koreans don't even bother. Lack of sophistication, in favor of "tension" and "excitement." Whatever. The way to grow SC2 is to set it apart form other esports. The game is clearly more cerebral than every other video game, so why not try to set up the tournaments to match? Why keep going with this archaic, overly simplistic single-elim BS? At the very least, group players based on their proven skill levels. No change = no progress.
Not sure what you're getting at. GSL group stages is dual-elimination. Top two gets out. Introducing a dual elimination format in the knockout rounds doesn't change the Top 8 players.
If you're suggesting that the groups should be decided by random based on seedings, that doesn't change much either. Going by GSL points, I believe the tiering would be: Rogue (1),Inno & Trap (2), Dark (3). Sure, the current composition wouldn't be possible, but there's a chance of an equally strong but lowly-ranked player like Maru, Byun or Zoun to fill up the Group of Death.
Group of Death happens all the time in sports, even with seedings in place. A fully knockout format is even more susceptible to bracket luck and stacking. Not sure how the grouping can be fixed unless you revamp the entire format (power-matching league system like chess).
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On October 10 2020 22:17 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2020 22:04 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2020 21:53 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 21:25 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2020 19:48 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 19:12 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2020 19:09 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 18:46 deacon.frost wrote:On October 10 2020 18:23 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 18:18 deacon.frost wrote:
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sure, that must be it. Rogue winning Blizzcon and 2 IEMs has everything about Korea. Or Dark winning Blizzcon or soO winning IEM.
Like look, I don't mind zergs winning, I mind zergs winning all the time. I want to see other champions, you know, so, I don't know, it's about me looking forward for a Protoss champ more than once in a blue moon.
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Don't use words you don;'t know what they mean. In the terms of skewing statistics he's right, Maru is bigger anomaly than Serral.
ALSO give us the names of them zergs skewing statistics and their titles! I used elementary words. I guess, to you, they must be pretty high-level. I don't know what data you have to back up your opinion, but it seems people around here rely more on feelings than data. "Titles" don't mean much, unless you think whatever the die lands on is more important than consistent results. Try to use them correctly the next time then. The names! Where are the 2 names!!!! Oooof! If you still don't know who the two best zergs are, there's nothing anyone can say that will help you. Thanks for correcting my English, Professor. Funny that while you neglect to point out those words, you insist upon my giving you names that should already be apparent. You brought a genuine smile to my face. Always entertaining witnessing a Dunning Kruger effect exhibition. Rogue and Reynor I guess since they won the most this year? 2020 Forms, Serral vs Rogue: http://aligulac.com/players/485/results/?after=2020-01-01&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/players/1662/results/?after=2020-01-01&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Rogue isn't even in the same ball-park as Serral. How's your view over there? Is your world warping and tearing, yet? But, whatever... "muh titles" People are complaining about Zergs winning too many tournaments - not about Serral having a too high winrate, so your statistics are meaningless in this context. LoL I'm not playing your "move the goal post" game. You were asking for who the top 2 zergs are, and I implicitly gave you the answer in that post...which you obviously don't like. 2 + 2 = 5 is what you wanted to hear. Btw, no, Rogue/Dark isn't the other zerg. you moved the goalpost.
SHHHHHHH. These people aren't supposed to know that zerg isn't actually op, and that it's just the top two players skewing the statistics with their superior consistency. Please be respectful as to not dispel their delusion prematurely. Let it melt slowly and painfully before their myopic eyes.
this is what you wrote if you remember. and people are not complaining because Serral's winrate is too high but because Zergs are winning to many tournaments - and Reynor and Serral are not the only contributors to that... I don't know why you're doing this. Desperate attempt at saving face? I clearly was just specifically answering your question about who are the best players in that post. Regarding the latter post you quoted, I've already argued that point with data to support. So, your counterargument is that Reynor and Serral are not the only disproportionate contributors to zerg's dominance this year. Where's your data for this? The fact that Rogue won a tournament? That's not statistically relevant. Oh, but here I go again lecturing on statistics, and how tourny wins are not a useful number... Literally, if it were, players like soO and Scarlett would've been considered stronger than Serral at some point with those big $$$$ tournament wins (absolutely hilarious).
You sound quite pretentious.
Implying people's qualms with Zerg's dominance 'this year'?
This year? How long have you been following SC2? Since you're fond of statistics, show us the premier tournament results from 2017-current, and break them down by race. I believe Zerg have more wins than Terran and Protoss combined, or something similar to that.
The race that has the fastest and cheapest tier 1 unit, can mass produce and tech-switch with instantaneous remax capability... this is an issue. And the fact that Protoss has a warp-in mechanic and can remax instantaneously as well would lead you to believe they would share a similar advantage over Terran. But the results simply don't indicate that.
It is fairly well known that to win with the Terran race, at the highest level, is likely the most physically demanding. I don't blame players for choosing zerg or protoss instead of terran - to achieve the same results with terran requires a great deal more effort, as indicated by the wrist problems that have plagued the majority of top-tier terran players in SC2 and Brood War, as well.
The mechanical system of SC2, and with the LOTV update's emphasis on expanding, Zerg is the obvious choice when discussing which race has the most inherent advantages. Creep's speed bonus is one huge culprit, but I digress.
I am trying to elaborate on what the other poster was attempting to emphasize. Maybe some of this will be of benefit.
Very happy to see Innovation and Trap make it through.
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On October 10 2020 22:17 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2020 22:04 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2020 21:53 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 21:25 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2020 19:48 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 19:12 Charoisaur wrote:On October 10 2020 19:09 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 18:46 deacon.frost wrote:On October 10 2020 18:23 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 10 2020 18:18 deacon.frost wrote:
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sure, that must be it. Rogue winning Blizzcon and 2 IEMs has everything about Korea. Or Dark winning Blizzcon or soO winning IEM.
Like look, I don't mind zergs winning, I mind zergs winning all the time. I want to see other champions, you know, so, I don't know, it's about me looking forward for a Protoss champ more than once in a blue moon.
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Don't use words you don;'t know what they mean. In the terms of skewing statistics he's right, Maru is bigger anomaly than Serral.
ALSO give us the names of them zergs skewing statistics and their titles! I used elementary words. I guess, to you, they must be pretty high-level. I don't know what data you have to back up your opinion, but it seems people around here rely more on feelings than data. "Titles" don't mean much, unless you think whatever the die lands on is more important than consistent results. Try to use them correctly the next time then. The names! Where are the 2 names!!!! Oooof! If you still don't know who the two best zergs are, there's nothing anyone can say that will help you. Thanks for correcting my English, Professor. Funny that while you neglect to point out those words, you insist upon my giving you names that should already be apparent. You brought a genuine smile to my face. Always entertaining witnessing a Dunning Kruger effect exhibition. Rogue and Reynor I guess since they won the most this year? 2020 Forms, Serral vs Rogue: http://aligulac.com/players/485/results/?after=2020-01-01&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=http://aligulac.com/players/1662/results/?after=2020-01-01&before=&event=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&wcs_season=&wcs_tier=&op=Rogue isn't even in the same ball-park as Serral. How's your view over there? Is your world warping and tearing, yet? But, whatever... "muh titles" People are complaining about Zergs winning too many tournaments - not about Serral having a too high winrate, so your statistics are meaningless in this context. LoL I'm not playing your "move the goal post" game. You were asking for who the top 2 zergs are, and I implicitly gave you the answer in that post...which you obviously don't like. 2 + 2 = 5 is what you wanted to hear. Btw, no, Rogue/Dark isn't the other zerg. you moved the goalpost.
SHHHHHHH. These people aren't supposed to know that zerg isn't actually op, and that it's just the top two players skewing the statistics with their superior consistency. Please be respectful as to not dispel their delusion prematurely. Let it melt slowly and painfully before their myopic eyes.
this is what you wrote if you remember. and people are not complaining because Serral's winrate is too high but because Zergs are winning to many tournaments - and Reynor and Serral are not the only contributors to that... I don't know why you're doing this. Desperate attempt at saving face? I clearly was just specifically answering your question about who are the best players in that post. Regarding the latter post you quoted, I've already argued that point with data to support. So, your counterargument is that Reynor and Serral are not the only disproportionate contributors to zerg's dominance this year. Where's your data for this? The fact that Rogue won a tournament? That's not statistically relevant. Oh, but here I go again lecturing on statistics, and how tourny wins are not a useful number... Literally, if it were, players like soO and Scarlett would've been considered stronger than Serral at some point with those big $$$$ tournament wins (absolutely hilarious).
You said Zerg isn't too strong, it's just Reynor and Serral. Then I pointed out that there are other players that win just as much or almost as much and then you make stupid excuses and change the discussion topic I guess because you have no arguments left?
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On October 10 2020 20:21 Z3nith wrote:
Are there any games worth watching?
Every series was amazing. Except the winners math which was a stomp. And maybe the last series but still interested. Really cool games. Trap vs Dark was great.
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Oops, a high-stakes tournament with Serral and Reynor in it has a top 4 tvtvtvt...
 King of Battles
I seriously hope for some P/Z success in GSL now, as we might see nerfs otherwise...
But TBH, most balance issues can be solved through the map pool. For now, the current one seems Terran favoured.
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With Darks loss, he is eliminated from Blizzcon right? or whatever it is now. Only 300 pts left in super tournament 2 and that still puts him under Cure who is 8th
sad for our world champ.
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On October 11 2020 06:07 ShowTheLights wrote:
With Darks loss, he is eliminated from Blizzcon right? or whatever it is now. Only 300 pts left in super tournament 2 and that still puts him under Cure who is 8th
sad for our world champ.
The World Championship (IEM Katowice) isn't 16 players anymore, it's 36. Dark will be fine.
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On October 10 2020 15:45 Cricketer12 wrote:
Alright here's the hot take. If Inno advances, TY > Maru finals
If its not this its Maru > Stats
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EPT
