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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12420 Posts
September 03 2020 17:33 GMT
#121
DnS vs Serral I think this is a situation where protoss should just aim to have more carriers. You have some voids, some zealots for counterattacks, some templars and so on and it looks nice but against what Serral has I think just having a few more carriers and nothing else would be better. If Serral starts getting some infestors then you branch out into other units.
No will to live, no wish to die
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
September 03 2020 17:35 GMT
#122
Dns is throwing this. terrible army movement.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
September 03 2020 17:43 GMT
#123
Its actually incredible how many times serral split his broodlords away from his army completely undefended and dns let serral get away with it unpunished.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
September 03 2020 17:45 GMT
#124
Just don't let them get there, you know.

Year of MaxPax
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-03 17:47:30
September 03 2020 17:46 GMT
#125
On September 04 2020 02:43 royalroadweed wrote:
Its actually incredible how many times serral split his broodlords away from his army completely undefended and dns let serral get away with it unpunished.


That‘s what I was wondering. He just let pure broodlords getting away with killing his bases. If he just defends once in a while, Serral would have actually lost some valuable units he would have had to rebuild. Like this, every dmg DnS took threw him further behind and on the other side Serral was left completely unpunished. DnS just seemed far too scared of Serral and I still don‘t understand his gameplan.
DontNerfInfestors
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain280 Posts
September 03 2020 17:47 GMT
#126
how are you supposed to go against infestor corr viper with 9001 spores and lurkers fucking you in the ass 24/7????
Please dont nerf them.Infestors are fine.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-03 17:51:14
September 03 2020 17:50 GMT
#127
On September 04 2020 02:47 DontNerfInfestors wrote:
how are you supposed to go against infestor corr viper with 9001 spores and lurkers fucking you in the ass 24/7????


Killing the broodlords that were unprotected for such a long time would be a start. Then Serral would have been pressured to do something. The fact Serral was able to harass so much more with his Broodlords all by themselves than DnS was just... not smart.
Zetter
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany629 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-03 17:52:53
September 03 2020 17:52 GMT
#128
On September 04 2020 02:50 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2020 02:47 DontNerfInfestors wrote:
how are you supposed to go against infestor corr viper with 9001 spores and lurkers fucking you in the ass 24/7????


Killing the broodlords that were unprotected for such a long time would be a start. Then Serral would have been pressured to do something.


To me it looked like he only sent them out unprotected while he knew DNS' army was somewhere else. Carriers take ages to get back to your base to defend.
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12420 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-03 17:57:55
September 03 2020 17:57 GMT
#129
On September 04 2020 02:47 DontNerfInfestors wrote:
how are you supposed to go against infestor corr viper with 9001 spores and lurkers fucking you in the ass 24/7????


I think DnS had a very good chance of winning this game, and considering he was playing Serral, probably not the best time to talk about what's impossible.

I can only speak for the scrubs but it's been a while since I lost in that position, anyway.
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DontNerfInfestors
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain280 Posts
September 03 2020 18:01 GMT
#130
On September 04 2020 02:50 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2020 02:47 DontNerfInfestors wrote:
how are you supposed to go against infestor corr viper with 9001 spores and lurkers fucking you in the ass 24/7????


Killing the broodlords that were unprotected for such a long time would be a start. Then Serral would have been pressured to do something. The fact Serral was able to harass so much more with his Broodlords all by themselves than DnS was just... not smart.



I actually missed that dns couldve won that game bye killing him before serral changed his unit comp to corr/viper

viper/lurker range is still a bit imba imo
Please dont nerf them.Infestors are fine.
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
September 03 2020 18:03 GMT
#131
On September 04 2020 02:52 Zetter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2020 02:50 Swisslink wrote:
On September 04 2020 02:47 DontNerfInfestors wrote:
how are you supposed to go against infestor corr viper with 9001 spores and lurkers fucking you in the ass 24/7????


Killing the broodlords that were unprotected for such a long time would be a start. Then Serral would have been pressured to do something.


To me it looked like he only sent them out unprotected while he knew DNS' army was somewhere else. Carriers take ages to get back to your base to defend.


Well, but these fights weren‘t the issue. As long as both players just exchanged bases over and over again, I would argue DnS was still fine. Everything fell apart when he was no longer able to counter attack and still lost his bases to Broodlords. And it‘s not like the Broodlord army is fast or anything. Serral didn‘t attack the same region on the map more or less constantly for no reason.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
September 03 2020 18:07 GMT
#132
I hate cancerhosts.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28522 Posts
September 03 2020 18:08 GMT
#133
aiaiai
I Protoss winner, could it be?
darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3540 Posts
September 03 2020 18:36 GMT
#134
Zerg
Mlord
Profile Joined February 2013
France135 Posts
September 03 2020 18:50 GMT
#135
Zerg :o
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MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
September 03 2020 19:23 GMT
#136
Sure, everyone knows by now that Zerg is OP and ZvP is broken, but that Dns Serral game had nothing to do with balance. Dns had an early advantage and a better army for a long time. He could have won the game at several points of the late game. He just screwed up, was too passive and gifted his units to Serral for basically free. He slowed death-ed himself
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darklycid
Profile Joined May 2014
3540 Posts
September 03 2020 19:30 GMT
#137
On September 04 2020 04:23 MarianoSC2 wrote:
Sure, everyone knows by now that Zerg is OP and ZvP is broken, but that Dns Serral game had nothing to do with balance. Dns had an early advantage and a better army for a long time. He could have won the game at several points of the late game. He just screwed up, was too passive and gifted his units to Serral for basically free. He slowed death-ed himself

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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12911 Posts
September 03 2020 20:27 GMT
#138
Sad for Clem :/
WriterMaru
geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8245 Posts
September 03 2020 20:27 GMT
#139
That's a HUGE upset
SetStndbySmn
Profile Joined August 2010
United States657 Posts
September 03 2020 20:28 GMT
#140
Really nice looking play from Geralt in that game 2.
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