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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-13 20:39:11
September 13 2020 20:38 GMT
#1001
On September 14 2020 05:35 looken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 05:34 lolfail9001 wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:34 looken wrote:
I just dont understand how you can be 20 workes behind all early game long, but simultaniously be up 40 army supply, while not playing an all in.

By playing Terran? Because that sounds like textbook terran production to me. Especially against pure ling-bane.

I dont think terran is supposed to outproduce zerg all game long mate.

When zerg tries to place 6th before Terran's takes 4th, it does not sound particularly outlandish.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
September 13 2020 20:38 GMT
#1002
On September 14 2020 05:17 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 05:14 mierin wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:12 sneakyfox wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:10 mierin wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:08 sneakyfox wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:01 mierin wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:59 geokilla wrote:
Reynor is so good. Serral is no longer the best Zerg. Wow.


It's more like Reynor>Serral>Top Players>Reynor


Yes. Korean Starcraft does not exist. And Katowice 2020 never happened.

Also Blizzcon 2019 never happened. And Katowice 2019. And Katowice 2018. etc



I mean in a bubble, who would you expect to win vs. top Koreans? I'm betting the farm on Serral.
I wasn't trying to create a Korean vs. foreigner debate, just saying it's not as simple as Reynor > Serral.


Yeah I'm betting the farm on the Koreans, because betting on a bunch of top players is better than better on a single top player. That should be painfully obvious.


Other than that, I agree that it's not as simple as Reynor > Serral.


You do you! Reynor/Serral have at least an even chance versus any top Korean you could name in any tournament.


That doesn't sound wrong in my ears but they still have to do it. Reynor failed completely at IEM Katowice. And top players tend to have these flukes every once in a while. Conversely, players who are sort-of-elite but maybe not all the time sometimes still have great results, like Zest taking out Serral at Katowice.

My point is: let's judge players on their results, not on how we think of their potential.


Fair enough!
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 13 2020 20:38 GMT
#1003
The nice thing about Clem and Reynor's map picks is that it looks like they literally just pick whichever map is best for them and don't try anything tricky/mind-gamey with the map order. So in TvZ: Submarine > Golden Wall > Eternal Empire > Deathaura > Pillars of Gold > Ever Dream > Ice and Chrome

That makes for a good chance of having a series where they trade maps back and forth.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33505 Posts
September 13 2020 20:40 GMT
#1004
Please god let Reynor win so I don't have to deal with "but Clem didn't face Serral" for a week until the Season Finals
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7142 Posts
September 13 2020 20:41 GMT
#1005
On September 14 2020 05:37 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 05:36 stilt wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:21 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:19 stilt wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:06 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:05 stilt wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:01 mierin wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:59 geokilla wrote:
Reynor is so good. Serral is no longer the best Zerg. Wow.


It's more like Reynor>Serral>Top Players>Reynor


I wonder which recent facts you're basing this affirmation...

https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/ESL_Pro_Tour/2020/21/Masters/Summer


A unique loss to Trap while he beats Maru ? That's disappointing.
Doyou cup and the warchest teamleague definetely invalidates this silly reasonning.

Doyou cup, where Serral's only loss was to reynor and zest, while reynor lost to serral and inno? :DDDDDDDDDDD


You seem so triggered that you forgot serral's loss to Rogue.
I feel a bit sorry for you x)

I typoed. Serral didn't lose to Zest, he lost to Rogue. Doesn't really prove your point though.

@stilt any response or are you feeling like an idiot now?
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2754 Posts
September 13 2020 20:43 GMT
#1006
On September 14 2020 05:37 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 05:36 stilt wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:21 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:19 stilt wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:06 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:05 stilt wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:01 mierin wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:59 geokilla wrote:
Reynor is so good. Serral is no longer the best Zerg. Wow.


It's more like Reynor>Serral>Top Players>Reynor


I wonder which recent facts you're basing this affirmation...

https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/ESL_Pro_Tour/2020/21/Masters/Summer


A unique loss to Trap while he beats Maru ? That's disappointing.
Doyou cup and the warchest teamleague definetely invalidates this silly reasonning.

Doyou cup, where Serral's only loss was to reynor and zest, while reynor lost to serral and inno? :DDDDDDDDDDD


You seem so triggered that you forgot serral's loss to Rogue.
I feel a bit sorry for you x)

I typoed. Serral didn't lose to Zest, he lost to Rogue. Doesn't really prove your point though.


Ok but my point is they are around the same level.
You're saying the opposite by using his defeat against Trap, considering the other reasons, I found it stupid because lately, Reynor is performing equally well.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-13 20:43:55
September 13 2020 20:43 GMT
#1007
I am really curious about Clem's hotkey setup, because it almost feels like he actually uses all 10 control groups reasonably well. Or maybe he has really long fingers.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
September 13 2020 20:44 GMT
#1008
On September 14 2020 05:43 lolfail9001 wrote:
I am really curious about Clem's hotkey setup, because it almost feels like he actually uses all 10 control groups reasonably well. Or maybe he has really long fingers.

long time no see
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7142 Posts
September 13 2020 20:44 GMT
#1009
On September 14 2020 05:43 stilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 05:37 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:36 stilt wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:21 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:19 stilt wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:06 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:05 stilt wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:01 mierin wrote:
On September 14 2020 04:59 geokilla wrote:
Reynor is so good. Serral is no longer the best Zerg. Wow.


It's more like Reynor>Serral>Top Players>Reynor


I wonder which recent facts you're basing this affirmation...

https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/ESL_Pro_Tour/2020/21/Masters/Summer


A unique loss to Trap while he beats Maru ? That's disappointing.
Doyou cup and the warchest teamleague definetely invalidates this silly reasonning.

Doyou cup, where Serral's only loss was to reynor and zest, while reynor lost to serral and inno? :DDDDDDDDDDD


You seem so triggered that you forgot serral's loss to Rogue.
I feel a bit sorry for you x)

I typoed. Serral didn't lose to Zest, he lost to Rogue. Doesn't really prove your point though.


Ok but my point is they are around the same level.
You're saying the opposite by using his defeat against Trap, considering the other reasons, I found it stupid because lately, Reynor is performing equally well.

Yea i don't dispute that, i got the impression that youre arguing that reynor is better.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7142 Posts
September 13 2020 20:44 GMT
#1010
On September 14 2020 05:43 lolfail9001 wrote:
I am really curious about Clem's hotkey setup, because it almost feels like he actually uses all 10 control groups reasonably well. Or maybe he has really long fingers.

You can watch the replays and see.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 13 2020 20:45 GMT
#1011
On September 14 2020 05:43 lolfail9001 wrote:
I am really curious about Clem's hotkey setup, because it almost feels like he actually uses all 10 control groups reasonably well. Or maybe he has really long fingers.


L O N G F I N G E R S
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 13 2020 20:46 GMT
#1012
On September 14 2020 05:44 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 05:43 lolfail9001 wrote:
I am really curious about Clem's hotkey setup, because it almost feels like he actually uses all 10 control groups reasonably well. Or maybe he has really long fingers.

You can watch the replays and see.

I am talking the hotkey setup in 'options'. Obviously how many control groups he actually uses i shall check via replays when i get to it.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7142 Posts
September 13 2020 20:47 GMT
#1013
On September 14 2020 05:46 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 05:44 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:43 lolfail9001 wrote:
I am really curious about Clem's hotkey setup, because it almost feels like he actually uses all 10 control groups reasonably well. Or maybe he has really long fingers.

You can watch the replays and see.

I am talking the hotkey setup in 'options'. Obviously how many control groups he actually uses i shall check via replays when i get to it.

Ahh i get it.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-13 20:50:20
September 13 2020 20:49 GMT
#1014
Yet another game where Reynor get to 100 drones and simply rolls terran on raw economy with some lurkers and vipers for support. Granted, it is Ice and Chrome after all.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 13 2020 20:52 GMT
#1015
On September 14 2020 05:46 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2020 05:44 Luolis wrote:
On September 14 2020 05:43 lolfail9001 wrote:
I am really curious about Clem's hotkey setup, because it almost feels like he actually uses all 10 control groups reasonably well. Or maybe he has really long fingers.

You can watch the replays and see.

I am talking the hotkey setup in 'options'. Obviously how many control groups he actually uses i shall check via replays when i get to it.


I think all the common alternate hotkey setups (Core, Grid and so on) have all the control groups on the left side of the keyboard for convenience. But yeah it's hard to find info about what each pro uses.
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7142 Posts
September 13 2020 20:52 GMT
#1016
I don't get why lurker burrow/unburrow speed is so fast. So hrd to punish it.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 13 2020 20:52 GMT
#1017
Imo the music has improved this season over last. Robyn instrumental > monotonous house beats

Also, Penev where are you? Please make sig true yes thanks.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
September 13 2020 20:52 GMT
#1018
Lurkers are good units, good thing they're not that easy to get to.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
September 13 2020 20:53 GMT
#1019
On September 14 2020 05:52 Elentos wrote:
Lurkers are good units, good thing they're not that easy to get to.

At least not with range upgrade, and without them they're less good.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
September 13 2020 20:53 GMT
#1020
On September 14 2020 05:52 Luolis wrote:
I don't get why lurker burrow/unburrow speed is so fast. So hrd to punish it.


Yeah. I also don't get the 10 range attack. Doesn't make sense that they have the same range that Snipe has.
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