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Global StarCraft II League/2020/Season 2Streams & Casters
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- Group Stage #1 (Round of 24): Dual Tournament Format.
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[GSL 2020] Code S - RO24 - Group E
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Poll: Who Advances? Maru & Scarlett (9) Armani & Maru (7) Prince & Scarlett (4) Maru & Prince (3) Scarlett & Armani (1) Armani & Prince (1) 25 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): Maru & Prince | ||
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 Also, wrong pic in the op. | ||
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On July 04 2020 07:04 sneakyfox wrote: Prince got this Also, wrong pic in the op. Armani wishes he could be sOs. | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:05 Lorning wrote: Maru as talkative as always When you've been in GSL for half your life you forget what being new to it is like. | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:02 The_Templar wrote: Prince is new then? I've never heard of him to my recollection, but I also haven't really been around for a few years. I remember around 2018 that there were basically 0 new players, so that's kind of nice to hear. He's one of those amateurs who it feels get knocked out literally every GSL qualifier for the past few years. Like Natural. But this time he made it. | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:07 Ben... wrote: Ah they mentioned what I was thinking about as I was looking at the remaining groups. There is a realistic chance of there only being 3 Protoss in the round of 16. There's two in the next group but that requires Trap to win a PvZ or Patience to be playing well, neither of which are given. Prince has to beat some pretty strong people to get through. I feel like the chances of both Trap and Patience making it through group F are much better than Prince's chances here. But hey looks like Prince is pulling a Firefly. | ||
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"You never had me! You never had your car!" | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:09 Solar424 wrote: It's kinda crazy how few Royal Roaders SC2 has had, aside from KeSPA players coming over the only one we've had was Life. I think maru is an OSL Royal Roader. Edit: holy shit if i was cannon rushed like that I just f10 and N... | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:14 Ben... wrote: "Dude I almost had you." "You never had me! You never had your car!" LOL I just saw this clip yesterday | ||
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Mozdk
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On July 04 2020 13:12 The_Templar wrote: So I ended up missing the first few minutes of game 1 and what the fuck happened? Maru did a proxy, and Prince went for a cannon rush. | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:14 Mozdk wrote: He could have cannoned the expo (floating main), 2 mins earlier. Eh, I think it's way better to get the gateway quicker instead, he delayed his follow up so much. | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:14 Mozdk wrote: Maru did a proxy, and Prince went for a cannon rush. Wasn't really a Proxy. He just was building his Rax at his 3rd... | ||
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fruitdealer dear | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:17 BerserkSword wrote: fruitdealer I mean, anyone who won was going to become a Royal Roader in that one. | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:20 geokilla wrote: Maru is dead right? Yes. But he's Maru. | ||
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Yeah, he's no FanTaSy. | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:20 Lexender wrote: I mean, anyone who won was going to become a Royal Roader in that one. good point LOL | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:23 Mozdk wrote: I've actually never seen that build used vs T. I used to do it alot vs zerg. Yeah same. I assume you just die if your opponent opens with a widow mine drop? It seems like a neat gamble though. | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yeah same. I assume you just die if your opponent opens with a widow mine drop? It seems like a neat gamble though. "baeje" or just assuming your opponent will not go for [tech X] is something pros talk about a lot, and it seems even more relevant when you're playing against someone a lot better than you On July 04 2020 13:28 Bagration wrote: Where did this prince guy come from? Has he played any premiers before this? sounds like someone should read TL.net previews  | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yeah same. I assume you just die if your opponent opens with a widow mine drop? It seems like a neat gamble though. Not necessarily because T is weak at home and the defence for mines is just vision and reacting. The build itself isn't that great but is terran doesn't see it coming, you can steal wins with it. But it doesn't auto-beat any build. | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:27 Circumstance wrote: You're forgetting one of the greatest of all Royal Roads, Zest. zest was a kespa player the original comment was about non kespa players royal roading | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:28 Waxangel wrote: "baeje" or just assuming your opponent will not go for [tech X] is something pros talk about a lot, and it seems even more relevant when you're playing against someone a lot better than you sounds like someone should read TL.net previews I've regressed back to a casual now lol | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:28 Waxangel wrote: "baeje" or just assuming your opponent will not go for [tech X] is something pros talk about a lot, and it seems even more relevant when you're playing against someone a lot better than you Didn't Rogue say something like that w.r.t. winning Katowice? | ||
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Same, I just read the preview for this group. >.> | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:35 Mozdk wrote: Is Scarlett a favorite vs Armani? It's ZvZ, so who knows. | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:35 Mozdk wrote: Is Scarlett a favorite vs Armani? Betting sites had her as favourite but only slightly. I have $200 on Scarlett + 1.5. If she can win a map, I make $50. | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:35 Mozdk wrote: Is Scarlett a favorite vs Armani? Yes, but not by a lot. | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:33 The_Templar wrote: Same, I just read the preview for this group. >.> Can't believe you guys missed that classic Iranian traffic jam pun for so long, it was so topical, probably ain't the same now Edit: Oh I actually just realise, Teheren is the street name! (oups) Also I missed game 1, how did Prince won? | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:39 Nakajin wrote: Can't believe you guys missed that classic Iranian traffic jam pun for so long, it was so topical, probably ain't the same now Also I missed game 1, how did Prince won? He threw game 1 after getting a winning position with a cannon rush. He won game 2 with a 7 gate chargelot timing. | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:43 Morbidius wrote: Scarlett not being thered Zerg annoys me. One time she played Violet and Violet was red and she was blue. How does that even happen? | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:44 Solar424 wrote: One time she played Violet and Violet was red and she was blue. How does that even happen? Does Cyan get blue all the time? | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:51 Noonius wrote: I haven't followed sc2 basically since last year blizzcon, is terran still crap? reigning GSL champions and arguably the strongest faction | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:51 Noonius wrote: I haven't followed sc2 basically since last year blizzcon, is terran still crap? This is allegedly a #terranpatch. | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:51 Noonius wrote: I haven't followed sc2 basically since last year blizzcon, is terran still crap? Terran had 3 of the 4 semifinalsts last season and got buffed last patch, so I'd say they're the favored race. Foreign Terrans are still bad though. | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:52 geokilla wrote: Armani had the advantage with the first attack. Can't quite pinpoint what went wrong. He was down 15 drones while attacking. Until Scarlett pulled the drones from her main, she had an advantage in production. Drones just barely got her over the edge | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:52 geokilla wrote: Armani had the advantage with the first attack. Can't quite pinpoint what went wrong. Losing the 20 drones to the baneling drops really stings when fights get more drawn out. | ||
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Did Yellow always get Yellow? | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:51 Noonius wrote: I haven't followed sc2 basically since last year blizzcon, is terran still crap? Dominated last season, aren't doing so hot this season but still early to make bold claims. Foreign terrans are doing worst than they normaly do. | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:53 Solar424 wrote: Terran had 3 of the 4 semifinalsts last season and got buffed last patch, so I'd say they're the favored race. Foreign Terrans are still bad though. We haven't seen a big foreign event since the patch and foreign terrans did okay in TSL5. Who knows maybe Clem will win DH Summer Europe. | ||
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On July 04 2020 13:55 Lexender wrote: Dominated last season, aren't doing so hot this season but still early to make bold claims. Foreign terrans are doing worst than they normaly do. Foreign Terran hasn't done well in a long time now. | ||
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On July 04 2020 14:01 geokilla wrote: Foreign Terran hasn't done well in a long time now. Have foreign Terrans ever done well? | ||
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Relative to their general performance in the foreign scene, I feel like they're all doing pretty well actually. I definitely wouldn't say they're doing worse. | ||
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I'm so confused.... | ||
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I think Bunny was the last one to win a tournament, but uThermal and Clem have looked good recently. | ||
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On July 04 2020 14:05 pvsnp wrote: Wait, if you're gonna take a hidden base why take the one right next to your opponent. I'm so confused.... Until I read this, my brain was convinced that it was Scarlett's third that was going down. I wasn't paying very close attention | ||
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On July 04 2020 14:06 The_Templar wrote: Until I read this, my brain was convinced that it was Scarlett's third that was going down. I wasn't paying very close attention I mean, technically it was Scarlett's third. | ||
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On July 04 2020 14:11 geokilla wrote: What was Scarlett thinking...? "oops he scouted my plan lol" | ||
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On July 04 2020 14:09 Solar424 wrote: What did she plan on even doing with the proxy 3rd? Who knows. Start mining and then use it to power a spine crawler march? I assume NoRegret will tell us on the next episode of In Depth. | ||
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Looks like Scarlett...might be having some regret for doing that build in G3 I'll show myself out | ||
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Why isn't muta ling standard in ZvZ | ||
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On July 04 2020 14:13 Highways wrote: Muta/ling seems so much stronger than roach/ravenger. Why isn't muta ling standard in ZvZ Because if you get behind on mutas it's basically impossible to win, so whoever is behind usually transitions to hydras. Since Fungalling a flock of mutas doesn't stun like in WoL/HotS them you can't bank on that to make things even either. | ||
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On July 04 2020 14:13 Highways wrote: Muta/ling seems so much stronger than roach/ravenger. Why isn't muta ling standard in ZvZ It's quite common in ZvZ. The downside to it and the reason it's not the de facto build is that you're getting melee upgrades so it doesn't transition as nicely into your lategame lurker armies. | ||
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On July 04 2020 14:12 Soke wrote: That was so confusing, but then it looked like she had gotten back into the game, and then she let the lings into her main. I wonder what the original idea was. Did she just forget speed? Her speed was super delayed so maybe, but that set up with speed looks super suspicious so I thought she was purposely delaying it to fake a 2 base opening. A fake 2 base opening with actual 3 hatch economy doesn't sound half bad but there were better locations for that so it also sort of seemed like a plan-b idk.. I kinda wish she made a lair or something when Armani's scout came in, cos obviously that's super weird, but it would explain the weirdness to Armani and probably would'n't have triggered him to then go scout with the ling. | ||
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On July 04 2020 14:20 Solar424 wrote: To this day this Innovation vs Soulkey finals is the biggest upset in SC2 history. Inno just didn't lose vs Zerg and he managed to lose 4 games in a row. And the way he lost those games especially the one where he flew those medivacs straight into the mutas... | ||
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On July 04 2020 14:32 BerserkSword wrote: bcs are the worst designed units in the game You mean Disruptors are the worst unit in the game right? | ||
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Been watching last 2 GSLs and Terran rarely lose TvZ after going BC. They do so much damage, take no micro, can teleport, yamoto kills queens in one shot | ||
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On July 04 2020 14:34 geokilla wrote: You mean Disruptors are the worst unit in the game right? maybe when they had detonate on impact i think it's the BC right now though | ||
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On July 04 2020 14:32 BerserkSword wrote: bcs are the worst designed units in the game Really? I mean BCs are very straightforward units with straightforward counters. Something like widow mines seems like much worse design to me. | ||
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On July 04 2020 14:57 RPR_Tempest wrote: I dunno how y'all feel about it but I think proxy shield battery rushes are the most powerful build in the game right now If that was case, PvZ wouldn't be below 50% for the last 4 years or so. | ||
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On July 04 2020 14:57 RPR_Tempest wrote: I dunno how y'all feel about it but I think proxy shield battery rushes are the most powerful build in the game right now Proxy battery has nothing on proxy rax. I've seen at least one proxy battery rush lose, but I never see proxy rax lose. | ||
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Proxy battery and proxy rax have nothing on proxy hatch! | ||
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On July 04 2020 14:58 Ej_ wrote: If that was case, PvZ wouldn't be below 50% for the last 4 years or so. When performed by someone with good micro like PartinG it seems practically unbeatable, only counter is 12 pool or something to stop it from getting up to begin with. When good players do it they don't even need to cannon the natural, they'll just do it outside your base and win. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:00 RPR_Tempest wrote: When performed by someone with good micro like PartinG it seems practically unbeatable, only counter is 12 pool or something to stop it from getting up to begin with. When good players do it they don't even need to cannon the natural, they'll just do it outside your base and win. I'm no expert at cannon rushing, but iirc 12pool is not actually a good counter for it. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:00 RPR_Tempest wrote: When performed by someone with good micro like PartinG it seems practically unbeatable, only counter is 12 pool or something to stop it from getting up to begin with. When good players do it they don't even need to cannon the natural, they'll just do it outside your base and win. I saw Stephano beat Parting trying to cannon rush lmao Furthermore, if a build is unbeatable, why don't progamers do it every game? Do they lack the expert knowledge? | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:01 pvsnp wrote: I'm no expert at cannon rushing, but iirc 12pool is not actually a good counter for it. 12pool is ok if you know exactly where they start cannons or blindly go 12pool ravagers. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:01 Ej_ wrote: I saw Stephano beat Parting trying to cannon rush lmao Furthermore, if a build is unbeatable, why don't progamers do it every game? Do they lack the expert knowledge? Because if you mess it up and lose you just look stupid. That's why players like sOs succeed, because they don't care how it makes them look, a win's a win. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:00 RPR_Tempest wrote: When performed by someone with good micro like PartinG it seems practically unbeatable, only counter is 12 pool or something to stop it from getting up to begin with. When good players do it they don't even need to cannon the natural, they'll just do it outside your base and win. Your impressions about the strength of the build order doesn't trump Protoss' persistent lack of success in the match-up. If it's actually broken we'd see it more. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:03 Solar424 wrote: Because if you mess it up and lose you just look stupid. That's why players like sOs succeed, because they don't care how it makes them look, a win's a win. sOs has not won a single premier (any?) tournament this entire expansion (4 years) | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:03 Solar424 wrote: Because if you mess it up and lose you just look stupid. That's why players like sOs succeed, because they don't care how it makes them look, a win's a win. sOs has not been very successful as of late. Despite his crazy proxy nexus or carrier rush shenanigans. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:03 Solar424 wrote: Because if you mess it up and lose you just look stupid. That's why players like sOs succeed, because they don't care how it makes them look, a win's a win. Yeah sOs hasn't been having much success or winning many PvZs recently. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:01 Ej_ wrote: I saw Stephano beat Parting trying to cannon rush lmao Furthermore, if a build is unbeatable, why don't progamers do it every game? Do they lack the expert knowledge? It's not literally unbeatable but despite how long the build has been around it seems like Zergs just can't deal with it consistently. Some try nydus, some try mutas, most try ravagers, some try lings/queens, and there doesn't seem to be any strategy that beats it with any real consistency. It reminds me of immortal/sentry in 2012 where it's just so hard to hold even if you are aware its coming. If you do any build EVERY game people will just blind counter it, not that I have any idea what a blind counter would be. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:07 RPR_Tempest wrote: It's not literally unbeatable but despite how long the build has been around it seems like Zergs just can't deal with it consistently. Some try nydus, some try mutas, most try ravagers, some try lings/queens, and there doesn't seem to be any strategy that beats it with any real consistency. It reminds me of immortal/sentry in 2012 where it's just so hard to hold even if you are aware its coming. If you do any build EVERY game people will just blind counter it, not that I have any idea what a blind counter would be. So its practically unbeatable but not literally unbeatable? Ok Im phoning Stats rn so je can win GSL | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:07 RPR_Tempest wrote: It's not literally unbeatable but despite how long the build has been around it seems like Zergs just can't deal with it consistently. Some try nydus, some try mutas, most try ravagers, some try lings/queens, and there doesn't seem to be any strategy that beats it with any real consistency. It reminds me of immortal/sentry in 2012 where it's just so hard to hold even if you are aware its coming. If you do any build EVERY game people will just blind counter it, not that I have any idea what a blind counter would be. I'm not sure anyone tries to defend cannon rushes into shield battery pushes with mutas.. And I'd argue that zergs do deal with it rather consistently. Some of the gateway and void ray oriented follow-ups (as opposed to the traditional immortal approach) are flavor of the month currently, but no doubt zerg will find a way to deal with it as usual. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:09 Waxangel wrote: What's the opposite of noregret? Onlyregret? Idra? | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:10 Solar424 wrote: PartinG is having an aneurysm watching Prince's Prism control lmfao | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:11 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I'm not sure anyone tries to defend cannon rushes into shield battery pushes with mutas.. And I'd argue that zergs do deal with it rather consistently. Some of the gateway and void ray oriented follow-ups (as opposed to the traditional immortal approach) are flavor of the month currently, but no doubt zerg will find a way to deal with it as usual. RagnaroK likes to use mutas (if they cannon outside the natural that is), but he's also making the assumption that they'll go for immortals. The more gateway based ones aren't a dealbreaker in that scenario but it doesn't just insta win like if you manage to squeeze out mutas vs the pure immortal ones. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:13 IndyO wrote: I want Scarlett to win, but whenever theres an fun PvZ I feel Protoss loses. Well it just so happens that Protoss loses most of their games vs Zerg | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:15 blooblooblahblah wrote: Prince has given me the confidence to become a pro gamer cos now I know I don't need good micro technically he's classified as an "amateur" by the KR community there's really no meaningful pro/amateur distinction in modern SC2 | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:15 Waxangel wrote: technically he's classified as an "amateur" by the KR community there's really no meaningful pro/amateur distinction in modern SC2 Progamer = someone who plays a video game competitively for a living Wild definition, I know | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:14 RPR_Tempest wrote: RagnaroK likes to use mutas (if they cannon outside the natural that is), but he's also making the assumption that they'll go for immortals. The more gateway based ones aren't a dealbreaker in that scenario but it doesn't just insta win like if you manage to squeeze out mutas vs the pure immortal ones. Do you have a vod for that? How the hell do you survive long enough to get a lair and a spire and bank up resources to build mutas off one base. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:16 Ej_ wrote: Progamer = someone who plays a video game competitively for a living Wild definition, I know except when it's not? this community hasn't used that as the definition for pro from like day 1 | ||
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mikedupp
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On July 04 2020 15:10 Ben... wrote: If I remember right, the way that Parting lost using battery rush was when the opponent immediately built 4 spines, and the spine strategy held it comfortably. Scarlett couldn't do that due to no spawning pool so she was forced to go ravager. She had already invested in the roach warren and didn't have money for more than one spine before the pool died. Vs Ragnarok? That wasnt a robo battery rush and he won that game. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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On July 04 2020 15:15 Waxangel wrote: technically he's classified as an "amateur" by the KR community there's really no meaningful pro/amateur distinction in modern SC2 True, Time to become an amateur | ||
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Starcraft 2 is CHESS | ||
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it's a protest against societal class injustice | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Do you have a vod for that? How the hell do you survive long enough to get a lair and a spire and bank up resources to build mutas off one base. So he's playing someone far below his level, but he also implies that he thinks this is the best response when they cannon outside the natural. | ||
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Ben...
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On July 04 2020 15:18 Solar424 wrote: I can't tell if this game is good or just stupid Both? | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On July 04 2020 15:19 Waxangel wrote: The 0/0 is a metaphor for Prince's status as a lowly amateur against the elitist "pros" it's a protest against societal class injustice So +2 air upgrades are on the side of the proletariat? | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:17 Waxangel wrote: except when it's not? this community hasn't used that as the definition for pro from like day 1 It's not my fault people are wrong and stupid | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:18 Solar424 wrote: I can't tell if this game is good or just stupid You say that like there's any difference whatsoever between the two. | ||
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Highways
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Epic comeback from Scarlett though | ||
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pvsnp
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On July 04 2020 15:19 Waxangel wrote: The 0/0 is a metaphor for Prince's status as a lowly amateur against the elitist "pros" it's a protest against societal class injustice You are in this GSL but we do not grant you the rank of professional. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On July 04 2020 15:19 RPR_Tempest wrote: https://youtu.be/MXnpdo2ZVxM?t=569 So he's playing someone far below his level, but he also implies that he thinks this is the best response when they cannon outside the natural. Oh yeah sure if they go for one of the bad cannon rushes where they let you get up to three bases that's fine. | ||
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This guy is cray cray | ||
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Whatson
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But normally you show an immortal | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:23 Ej_ wrote: 1st unit sentry This guy is cray cray Against a person known for cheesing while also not scouting. If Scarlett did 12 pool it would have been a build order loss. | ||
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Maybe it would have been too obvious | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Of course he gets stride. At this point, I think we see DT blink more often than not when they go DTs. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Of course he gets stride. I love how Classic managed to turn a terrible upgrade into the ultimate jebait with one game | ||
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But again, he's just bungling the execution of it | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:27 Waxangel wrote: I love how Classic managed to turn a terrible upgrade into the ultimate jebait with one game This is NightMare erasure | ||
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Classic was the first person to get it in PvZ | ||
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Before the 7 minute mark that is. | ||
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I miss Classic | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:31 RKC wrote: Prince is the new Classic? I miss Classic He has twice the style, but a quarter the control. edit: And five Nydus worms later Prince still doesn't have vision in the corner of his main. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:33 The_Templar wrote: I don't get why Prince hasn't just put a pylon in the corner of his base or something to spot nydus worms at this point. after the 6th or 7th time you'd think he would | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:34 RKC wrote: Aside from the first 2-3 tourneys (whichever the proper cut-off date is), has there been a royal roader in SC2 GSL? Life, Zest, and Dear, that's it. | ||
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Waxangel
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On July 04 2020 15:34 RKC wrote: Aside from the first 2-3 tourneys (whichever the proper cut-off date is), has there been a royal roader in SC2 GSL? have you heard about the tragedy of Startale_Life the degenerate? | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:33 The_Templar wrote: I don't get why Prince hasn't just put a pylon in the corner of his base or something to spot nydus worms at this point. because the the nydus can just go further right and the locus fly over | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:34 RKC wrote: Aside from the first 2-3 tourneys (whichever the proper cut-off date is), has there been a royal roader in SC2 GSL? They talked about it today, Dear was the last one. Life was the one before. They both got a sword each, in addition the regular code s trophy. E: forgot about Zest | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:34 Die4Ever wrote: is there any lore reason why locusts have such high DPS? they're super tiny and they still do so much DPS Their damage is boosted by the salt they harvested during HotS. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:35 BerserkSword wrote: because the the nydus can just go further right and the locus fly over Everytime he was forced to fly over the ridge, the locusts all died before doing significant damage | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:34 Die4Ever wrote: is there any lore reason why locusts have such high DPS? they're super tiny and they still do so much DPS it's cause when they were tankier, longer life, but less DPS, they led to the ridiculous stalemates of HotS. Making them short-lived, high DPS raiders was the fix. | ||
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BerserkSword
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On July 04 2020 15:34 Die4Ever wrote: is there any lore reason why locusts have such high DPS? they're super tiny and they still do so much DPS i dont even know any lore which mentions swarm hosts but if we go by lore then a zealot can beat an ultralisk in single combat | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:34 Die4Ever wrote: is there any lore reason why locusts have such high DPS? they're super tiny and they still do so much DPS They know that they have a short life, so they're pretty angry. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On July 04 2020 15:37 serralfan18 wrote: Dang... Prince could have won games 2 and 3 so many times. Game 2 definitely. Game 3 I doubt it. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
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On July 04 2020 15:37 serralfan18 wrote: Dang... Prince could have won games 2 and 3 so many times. He absolutely should've won game 2 but i don't see how he was ever close to winning game 3 | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:37 serralfan18 wrote: Dang... Prince could have won games 2 and 3 so many times. I would love to know how you are supposed to win a game after a failed mass DT all-in | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:36 Whatson wrote: Everytime he was forced to fly over the ridge, the locusts all died before doing significant damage it doesnt really matter. t he locusts are free by the time a protoss army strong enough to counter that number of locusts are deployed to intercept, a new wave of locusts are sent out somewhere lese protoss vs nydus locusts basically comes down to whether or not a protoss can defend well vs the first wave or 2, and prince didnt. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:34 Die4Ever wrote: is there any lore reason why locusts have such high DPS? they're super tiny and they still do so much DPS is there any lore reason why locusts don't count as supply? are they not 'living things' too? do they not have rights? do their lives not matter? | ||
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in lore a single carrie rcan kill multiple battle cruisers by itself | ||
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Solar424
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On July 04 2020 15:36 virpi wrote: They know that they have a short life, so they're pretty angry. This is also why MULE's harvest more than SCV's. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:41 Solar424 wrote: This is also why MULE's harvest more than SCV's. "Live free, die young." - MULES and Locusts. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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More like "live doing constant and thankless labor for an uncaring overlord, die young". | ||
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Ej_
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On July 04 2020 15:48 ZigguratOfUr wrote: More like "live doing constant and thankless labor for an uncaring overlord, die young". They could print that on Nike shoes too. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:48 ZigguratOfUr wrote: More like "live doing constant and thankless labor for an uncaring overlord, die young". You're ahead of the script, that's 2021's motto. | ||
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That's the motto of the people who make the shoes. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:55 Solar424 wrote: That's the motto of the people who make the shoes. Well yea, not like I am gonna make my own when a prebuscent Chinese girl can do it for me. | ||
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On July 04 2020 15:57 Waxangel wrote: the lack of 12 pools displeases me I know, these have been the the greediest ZvZs I've ever seen, if you played like this on NA ladder you'd die to 30 random lings at the 4 minute mark. | ||
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On July 04 2020 16:05 pvsnp wrote: I have no idea how Armani scouted the faster spire and still didn't make corruptors instead of mutas. He had legit no gas either way. He had the third base for so much longer but legit never mined gas from it... | ||
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On July 04 2020 16:05 pvsnp wrote: I have no idea how Armani scouted the faster spire and still didn't make corruptors instead of mutas. It was fine to make mutas, his spire wasn't that much slower. It was more of a "didn't have any units despite being a hatchery up" Also corruptors work only with roaches | ||
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On July 04 2020 16:07 virpi wrote: Two foreigners in the RO16. When has this happened the last time? Two seasons ago. | ||
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On July 04 2020 16:07 virpi wrote: Two foreigners in the RO16. When has this happened the last time? 2018 Season 3, Reynor made it to the Ro16, Neeb made it to the semifinals. | ||
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Ah, I see. I usually don't follow GSL that closely, because the matches always happen at times when I'm either at work or asleep. | ||
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Happy for Scarlett! I knew her ZvZ was better than the first set, though the mutas just steamrolled in the 2nd game of the rematch and I had to do a double take Prince - wow, that cannon rush in the first game had my Terran heart pumping like mad, fun hold by Maru though, and the fact that Prince cannon rushed again was pretty fun (though I generally don't really like cheese...in real life and in SC2) | ||
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Calliope
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On July 04 2020 21:55 BirdBird wrote: Why do so many jump on the hype ship when all Prince did was make cheese and unjustly cement the protoss image as the cheese race? I think that is a little bit unfair. A cannon rush is a cannon rush but rather than just cheese he did powerful drops and pushes with high precision. If he had taken better care of his warp prism he probably would have won. All in all I think his games were very entertaining to watch. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
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On July 05 2020 01:53 Calliope wrote: I think that is a little bit unfair. A cannon rush is a cannon rush but rather than just cheese he did powerful drops and pushes with high precision. If he had taken better care of his warp prism he probably would have won. All in all I think his games were very entertaining to watch. I'm far less prone to complain about cheesy play in preparation heavy formats. If your preparation leads you to the conclusion that you should cheese to give you the best chances to advance and exploit your opponents' weaknesses, I'm totally okay with that. And as for Prince, he went for really fun and unorthodox strategies, so I enjoyed his run too ! | ||
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Lexender
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On July 05 2020 01:53 Calliope wrote: I think that is a little bit unfair. A cannon rush is a cannon rush but rather than just cheese he did powerful drops and pushes with high precision. If he had taken better care of his warp prism he probably would have won. All in all I think his games were very entertaining to watch. Nah he wouldn't. His games reminded me a lot of Has: Does crazy shit, TL goes nuts and ultimately he ends bitch slapped by a solid player. | ||
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