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On February 28 2020 22:34 TaKeTV wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2020 22:26 Poopi wrote:
Gg INno!! Clean TvZ right here! Maru this is the big test, you need to beat INno to be safe! I find your evaluation of INno's performance really questionable. I am a really big INno fan myself but he lost to Solar in macro by a ton, he won via proxy rax. Against Elazer the first game he would have lost against any of the other Zergs. No Dark, Solar, Serral etc would have lost that. 2nd game he won but his decision to rally everything over and lose 40 scvs instead of defending ~10 mutas easily was questionable even though it worked. So while I am happy he is at 3-0, I am unfortunately not convinced of his form yet 
I didn't see the games vs Solar, only the score unfortunately. I was mainly talking about the 2nd TvZ game against Elazer, not his TvZ this tournament in general, sorry for the confusion.
I am still very confident for him, he practiced a lot this season, and is clutch as fuck. The guy has like 800 games on his main account. It's WESG INno all over again, money money here it comes
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On February 28 2020 22:34 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2020 22:32 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2020 22:30 Argonauta wrote:On February 28 2020 22:29 Poopi wrote:On February 28 2020 22:28 Argonauta wrote:On February 28 2020 22:26 Poopi wrote:
Gg INno!! Clean TvZ right here! Maru this is the big test, you need to beat INno to be safe! I would not call those games clean but yeah gg I'm talking about the 2nd one, he was never in danger it felt like. not building turrets in your mineral lines is quite sloppy vs muta ling bane It's a thing he does conciously as a decision, relying on the marine counter threat to pull mutas back. Way back in the day he had a very fun game vs ByuL on Abyssal Reef when he lost tons of SCVs to mutas and banes (no turrets, bunkers or units at home) and just rallied marines forward to kill the Zerg. and you think those extra 4 marines are that worth? Feels like a risky move
INnoVation does.
It is also worth to mention that:
a) 1 turret doesn't cover a mineral line + gas, you ideally want 2 and some marines rallying around
b) at some point (like in this game, or the game vs ByuL I l've mentioned) mutalisks reach a number where they can comfortably 1 or 2 shot turrets through repair anyway, which is when INnoVation would be trying to hit his timing and kill the Zerg.
Naruto now says it was 10 mutas in game 2 which would make b) moot, I thought it was closer to 15 with +2
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On February 28 2020 22:38 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2020 22:34 Argonauta wrote:On February 28 2020 22:32 Ej_ wrote:On February 28 2020 22:30 Argonauta wrote:On February 28 2020 22:29 Poopi wrote:On February 28 2020 22:28 Argonauta wrote:On February 28 2020 22:26 Poopi wrote:
Gg INno!! Clean TvZ right here! Maru this is the big test, you need to beat INno to be safe! I would not call those games clean but yeah gg I'm talking about the 2nd one, he was never in danger it felt like. not building turrets in your mineral lines is quite sloppy vs muta ling bane It's a thing he does conciously as a decision, relying on the marine counter threat to pull mutas back. Way back in the day he had a very fun game vs ByuL on Abyssal Reef when he lost tons of SCVs to mutas and banes (no turrets, bunkers or units at home) and just rallied marines forward to kill the Zerg. and you think those extra 4 marines are that worth? Feels like a risky move INnoVation does. It is also worth to mention that: a) 1 turret doesn't cover a mineral line + gas, you ideally want 2 and some marines rallying around b) at some point (like in this game, or the game vs ByuL I l've mentioned) mutalisks reach a number where they can comfortably 1 or 2 shot turrets through repair anyway, which is when INnoVation would be trying to hit his timing and kill the Zerg. Naruto now says it was 10 mutas in game 2 which would make b) moot, I thought it was closer to 15 with +2
Still, turrets buy time to gather rallied marines to drove them away. Giving away 50 scvs so easily is really questionable. What it was a good push by INno became almost an all in just by that Muta counterattack.
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Trap going for this shit colossus style again, 0-2 incoming :/.
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Yeah I really don’t understand why he goes for colossus, it always looks like such complete shit. What a disappointing performance from Trap this group.
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Has innovation stepped back from the main stage?
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picture of the muta count. Not adding a turret to the 3rd was a mistake. He won the game but there was no reason giving up his economy. I suppose those are 10-11 mutas. Mass repair easily covers this with one turret and/or a few reinforcements.
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I wish we had gsl bald guy casting in one of the alternative streams.
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On February 28 2020 22:43 Fyzar wrote:
Yeah I really don’t understand why he goes for colossus, it always looks like such complete shit. What a disappointing performance from Trap this group.
chadrays coming through
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On February 28 2020 22:45 TaKeTV wrote:picture of the muta count. Not adding a turret to the 3rd was a mistake. He won the game but there was no reason giving up his economy. I suppose those are 10-11 mutas. Mass repair easily covers this with one turret and/or a few reinforcements.
I counted. It's 13 mutas with +1, to be precise. A turret could help and it was most likely a mistake to skip it.
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On February 28 2020 22:43 Fyzar wrote:
Yeah I really don’t understand why he goes for colossus, it always looks like such complete shit. What a disappointing performance from Trap this group.
skillrays to the rescue
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Solar with the throw of the century xD
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GG Trap! One more! Show the world you are still a top protoss in 2020
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On February 28 2020 22:45 Sif_ wrote:
I wish we had gsl bald guy casting in one of the alternative streams.
Creighton is amazing
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This is quite possibly the dumbest PvZ victory I’ve ever seen. Trap did a terrible colossus push prebroodlord, then was basically dead if Solar ever pushed across. Ofcourse he never moved across and just went basically pure Roach Ravager Broodlord and died to 8 void rays...
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There are void rays and the main stage isn’t showing a game, I’m tilted
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so hype for INno vs Maru. I really Maru shows up and tops the group.
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On February 28 2020 22:46 seemsgood wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2020 22:43 Fyzar wrote:
Yeah I really don’t understand why he goes for colossus, it always looks like such complete shit. What a disappointing performance from Trap this group. chadrays coming through
Unreal lol
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EPT
