EPTChinese Team Championship Season 2 - Playoffs - Page 8
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Nakajin
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thickertom
China612 Posts
 Wanted used this way to win Game 1 of Rogue in Season 1 but EF failed.VOD: https://www.bilibili.com/video/av50297534/?p=3 Time: 34:00 - 39:25 | ||
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Nakajin
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thickertom
China612 Posts
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
On October 13 2019 00:00 Nakajin wrote: TSG got kind of screwed with that new playoff format (although I quite like it) TSG got screwed in the group stage, but the playoff format actually benefits them against JAGW. Such format is designed to make weaker player more valuable, if Rouge 2-0 everyone like fantasy yesterday, it actually make no difference. | ||
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Elentos
55581 Posts
On October 13 2019 00:13 CxWiLL wrote: TSG got screwed in the group stage, but the playoff format actually benefits them against JAGW. Such format is designed to make weaker player more valuable, if Rouge 2-0 everyone like fantasy yesterday, it actually make no difference. Well no. In the regular season format Rogue would have only played 2 games instead of 8. | ||
TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
Kind of confused when looking at Liquipedia now - it says Solar won the last game? Edit: Ah, it just wasn't updated yet... :D | ||
digmouse
China6331 Posts
On October 13 2019 00:30 TheOneAboveU wrote: Had to go during the last game between EF and Rogue - so Rogue all-killed TSG then? Kind of confused when looking at Liquipedia now - it says Solar won the last game? Edit: Ah, it just wasn't updated yet... :D The game went over the limit of current LP template (9 maps) so they had to scramble to get new code in. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On October 13 2019 00:13 CxWiLL wrote: TSG got screwed in the group stage, but the playoff format actually benefits them against JAGW. Such format is designed to make weaker player more valuable, if Rouge 2-0 everyone like fantasy yesterday, it actually make no difference. Nah the group stage format was better for them. With the 3 bo2 format, having the best player can only give you 2 points, but TSG strength was that they had 3 player who could pick off maps. Solar and herO were both very favored against every chinese player and Nice was also very good against them, and after that you only needed a single map win against a korean to go to the ace match. Now with that new format you can't sandbag the best player with your chinese player and than play a bo1 against him, you need to beat him three time or he's just gonna all-kill you, and obviously neither herO, Nice or Solar are favored against Rogue and Maru, but winning two maps out of 5 against them is much more doable than winning the 4 you need with that format. | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
Rouge eliminated entire TSG but got killed in the last game. | ||
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Serimek
France2274 Posts
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WardiTV
605 Posts
On October 13 2019 00:43 Nakajin wrote: Nah the group stage format was better for them. With the 3 bo2 format, having the best player can only give you 2 points, but TSG strength was that they had 3 player who could pick off maps. Solar and herO were both very favored against every chinese player and Nice was also very good against them, and after that you only needed a single map win against a korean to go to the ace match. Now with that new format you can't sandbag the best player with your chinese player and than play a bo1 against him, you need to beat him three time or he's just gonna all-kill you, and obviously neither herO, Nice or Solar are favored against Rogue and Maru, but winning two maps out of 5 against them is much more doable than winning the 4 you need with that format. Well, you actually only need to win 1 vs Maru and 1 vs Rogue to eliminate them both and get to the ace match. You don't have to win 4 | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On October 13 2019 01:39 WardiTV wrote: Well, you actually only need to win 1 vs Maru and 1 vs Rogue to eliminate them both and get to the ace match. You don't have to win 4 Oh your right, I counted the revive and the ace as two different things. So ya you need to go 3 for 5 minum against them (well 2-2 than 1-0), still a bit worst since you can't sandbag one of them. Not saying the format isn't good, just that it favor certain teams. | ||
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7miles
17 Posts
On October 13 2019 00:43 Nakajin wrote: Nah the group stage format was better for them. With the 3 bo2 format, having the best player can only give you 2 points, but TSG strength was that they had 3 player who could pick off maps. Solar and herO were both very favored against every chinese player and Nice was also very good against them, and after that you only needed a single map win against a korean to go to the ace match. Now with that new format you can't sandbag the best player with your chinese player and than play a bo1 against him, you need to beat him three time or he's just gonna all-kill you, and obviously neither herO, Nice or Solar are favored against Rogue and Maru, but winning two maps out of 5 against them is much more doable than winning the 4 you need with that format. I think u misunderstood his opinion,what he really meant was the new format of S2 playoffs is better than the S1 playoffs(KOF,and individual format is BO3,which means you must eliminate Rogue through winning a BO3) for weaker team. In S2 playoffs,eliminateing a Starplayers only need win a map, this new format is good for weaker team. Of course,the format of group stage is better for weaker team ,but for a team tournment's palyoffs, KOF format is inevitable. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On October 13 2019 01:56 7miles wrote: I think u misunderstood his opinion,what he really meant was the new format of S2 playoffs is better than the S1 playoffs(KOF,and individual format is BO3,which means you must eliminate Rogue through winning a BO3) for weaker team. In S2 playoffs,eliminateing a Starplayers only need win a map, this new format is good for weaker team. Of course,the format of group stage is better for weaker team ,but for a team tournment's palyoffs, KOF format is inevitable. Aaaahhhh okok | ||
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digmouse
China6331 Posts
On October 13 2019 00:43 CxWiLL wrote: does this count as an All kill? Rouge eliminated entire TSG but got killed in the last game. Technically it's not, he was eliminated due to the tie against Solar, it's just that Solar was TSG's final life. Under this format you need to 2-0 every single opponent for an all kill, as in the traditional all kill format the player needs to be the last man standing for it to count. | ||
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7miles
17 Posts
Hope inno can get back up again | ||
Waxangel
United States33637 Posts
On October 13 2019 02:17 digmouse wrote: Technically it's not, he was eliminated due to the tie against Solar, it's just that Solar was TSG's final life. Under this format you need to 2-0 every single opponent for an all kill, as in the traditional all kill format the player needs to be the last man standing for it to count. it's a semi-all-kill like you can get in Nation Wars, ATC, or other tournaments with a "revive" system | ||
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Wardi
England898 Posts
I really like it. 10/10 - only thing that is weird is that if you revive someone they can't play the ace, feels like the ace is kind of meant to be the revived player. I guess this is to weaken "one player" teams | ||
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pzlama333
United States282 Posts
On October 13 2019 09:09 Wardi wrote: Despite the confusion of explaining it a hundred times, this format is really fun. The matches are a really good length for "playoffs" (I feel some of these team bo7s are so short nowadays...) Guaranteed 7 maps but also max of 13 is really nice. It keeps that underdog element as well with just needing to pick up one map win to have an impact. I really like it. 10/10 - only thing that is weird is that if you revive someone they can't play the ace, feels like the ace is kind of meant to be the revived player. I guess this is to weaken "one player" teams Suppose both teams already have 3 players eliminated (could be between 3 of 1-1 to 6 of 2-0), then they both revive one player. If the match between this 4th, revived players also end 1-1, they both are eliminated too. Then it is the final ace match. Since both teams' revived players are eliminated, they cannot revive him again. | ||
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