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On July 01 2019 04:03 opisska wrote:
This HSC I feel like there is too much casting do by the actual casters. Sure, they have all the great guys, but I would prefer more space given to players. But maybe they are getting a bit bored of the whole shtick?
Agreed. But maybe the Bunster doesn't need to go on again 
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Serral's fanbois are best.
But that is only because our Dear Serral is the best, so we fanbois doesn't have to feel bad for false esteem. 
Real question is more like how dominant Serral actually is, currently, and in foreseeable future.
It almost feel he is already building spires under Koreans' skins, lol, the nerdiest guy of the scene.
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On July 01 2019 04:04 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2019 04:03 opisska wrote:
This HSC I feel like there is too much casting do by the actual casters. Sure, they have all the great guys, but I would prefer more space given to players. But maybe they are getting a bit bored of the whole shtick? Agreed. But maybe the Bunster doesn't need to go on again
I think it can be also traced to the utter lack of NightEnd
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On July 01 2019 04:03 opisska wrote:
This HSC I feel like there is too much casting do by the actual casters. Sure, they have all the great guys, but I would prefer more space given to players. But maybe they are getting a bit bored of the whole shtick?
I think it's just because Incontrol isn't there. He carried a lot of that
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On July 01 2019 04:04 UnLarva wrote:Serral's fanbois are best. But that is only because our Dear Serral is the best, so we fanbois doesn't have to feel bad for false esteem. Real question is more like how dominant Serral actually is, currently, and in foreseeable future. It almost feel he is already building spires under Koreans' skins, lol, the nerdiest guy of the scene.
I have rooted for every top non-korean zerg for almost 20 years (and every big zerg since h.o.t-forever period).
Serral just being one of the best is enough for me. From Blackman and Mondragon ... on and on until now.... we finally have one.
It is pretty dope.
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On July 01 2019 04:02 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2019 03:56 Charoisaur wrote:On July 01 2019 03:49 Xain0n wrote:On July 01 2019 03:07 AttackZerg wrote:On July 01 2019 03:03 Xain0n wrote:On July 01 2019 03:00 AttackZerg wrote:On July 01 2019 02:55 Pandain wrote:On July 01 2019 02:52 deacon.frost wrote:On July 01 2019 02:49 AzAlexZ wrote:On July 01 2019 02:46 deacon.frost wrote:
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Serral won by the scout 30 minutes ago and you're defending him because of this game... again, what are you smoking? but Serral didn't win yet, you know why? cuz TY is great at late game (and mid game), get it in your thick skull buddy. If TY was a lesser Terran Serral would've killed him already, what does that tell you about TY's Macro and late game? Oh FFS, it's just a matter of time, the only way how to lose is to do some move command and die to stupidity. Get your thick skull tested, not mine, jeez On July 01 2019 02:51 Pandain wrote:On July 01 2019 02:46 deacon.frost wrote:
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Serral won by the scout 30 minutes ago and you're defending him because of this game... again, what are you smoking? You're so obsessed with hating on serral. I never even mentioned serral. You think I did because you love debating about him in every single thread. I just said that saying TY is not known for late game is really dumb Jesus fucking christ, multiple times I mentioned he's top 4, he's probably the best zerg but hey, I'm the hater here. Stop being a blind fanboy and read what I write, not what YOU THINK I WRITE... You and Char and Xainon literally mess up every single thread talking about Serral. Even random threads that have nothing to do with it. Case in point: I didn't mention serral once and you think I did and started the debate. Let me be more nuanced: you don't hate serral. you are addicted to debating serral fanboys to the extreme. Every time I point out he MIGHT be the best zerg in all matchups ... they come out of the woodwork. Sc2 culture is so much worse then the bw scene was. I can't tell if it is age or just part and parcel of the whole internet getting stupider. These forums often barely differ from USEast. ... the public chat on west is actually worse then east. Dark times. Well, not speaking about Serral when Serral is playing a ZvT. I rarely introduce the argument, but I almost always speak when senseless things are said(quite often). I think the debate about best zerg is valid. I think many members on this forum have great perspective in both directions. Obviously, I am not talking about people who have valid commentary, having veteran sc2 players/members disagree with me is great, obviously they have valid reasons for disagreeing with me. I am totally fine with being wrong and learning why. It is the bandwagon of rage that shows up whenever he is mentioned. Is korean-0-phile a thing? Korean-centric? Dick riders? Not sure, but their is an anti-fan element that I lack good language to describe. If TRUE would have won what Serral did and played just like he does, WCS titles would still be compared to Olimoleagues but the atmosphere would be much more relaxed like it happens in Brood War forums and how it used to be during HoTS(my answer to what Opisska is saying). I wonder why that might be... Maybe because TRUE doesn't have as fanatic fanboys as Serral? In terms of attention from the community, foreigners have to do half as much as koreans to get hype. Probably less than half actually. They can literally win one big match/event and the community will take years to stop talking about it. Even if 9/10 times they lose.
imagine saying that without sarcasm
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On July 01 2019 04:01 Quasarrion wrote:
Zest can beat anyone, but defineatly not Serral
Zest is only a shadow of his former self, for over a year now. He can mostly lose to anyone
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Can someone explain me how is soO so ahead after losing so many drones?
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Roaches are just such sad units.
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soO's all-ins are so much stronger than EU Z all-ins even if it failed
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Zest is definitely the most exciting player at this HSC.
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On July 01 2019 04:08 opisska wrote:
Can someone explain me how is soO so ahead after losing so many drones?
Is he though? Well, it's Zest who can lose a WP to biles, but still
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On July 01 2019 04:02 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2019 03:56 Charoisaur wrote:On July 01 2019 03:49 Xain0n wrote:On July 01 2019 03:07 AttackZerg wrote:On July 01 2019 03:03 Xain0n wrote:On July 01 2019 03:00 AttackZerg wrote:On July 01 2019 02:55 Pandain wrote:On July 01 2019 02:52 deacon.frost wrote:On July 01 2019 02:49 AzAlexZ wrote:On July 01 2019 02:46 deacon.frost wrote:
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Serral won by the scout 30 minutes ago and you're defending him because of this game... again, what are you smoking? but Serral didn't win yet, you know why? cuz TY is great at late game (and mid game), get it in your thick skull buddy. If TY was a lesser Terran Serral would've killed him already, what does that tell you about TY's Macro and late game? Oh FFS, it's just a matter of time, the only way how to lose is to do some move command and die to stupidity. Get your thick skull tested, not mine, jeez On July 01 2019 02:51 Pandain wrote:On July 01 2019 02:46 deacon.frost wrote:
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Serral won by the scout 30 minutes ago and you're defending him because of this game... again, what are you smoking? You're so obsessed with hating on serral. I never even mentioned serral. You think I did because you love debating about him in every single thread. I just said that saying TY is not known for late game is really dumb Jesus fucking christ, multiple times I mentioned he's top 4, he's probably the best zerg but hey, I'm the hater here. Stop being a blind fanboy and read what I write, not what YOU THINK I WRITE... You and Char and Xainon literally mess up every single thread talking about Serral. Even random threads that have nothing to do with it. Case in point: I didn't mention serral once and you think I did and started the debate. Let me be more nuanced: you don't hate serral. you are addicted to debating serral fanboys to the extreme. Every time I point out he MIGHT be the best zerg in all matchups ... they come out of the woodwork. Sc2 culture is so much worse then the bw scene was. I can't tell if it is age or just part and parcel of the whole internet getting stupider. These forums often barely differ from USEast. ... the public chat on west is actually worse then east. Dark times. Well, not speaking about Serral when Serral is playing a ZvT. I rarely introduce the argument, but I almost always speak when senseless things are said(quite often). I think the debate about best zerg is valid. I think many members on this forum have great perspective in both directions. Obviously, I am not talking about people who have valid commentary, having veteran sc2 players/members disagree with me is great, obviously they have valid reasons for disagreeing with me. I am totally fine with being wrong and learning why. It is the bandwagon of rage that shows up whenever he is mentioned. Is korean-0-phile a thing? Korean-centric? Dick riders? Not sure, but their is an anti-fan element that I lack good language to describe. If TRUE would have won what Serral did and played just like he does, WCS titles would still be compared to Olimoleagues but the atmosphere would be much more relaxed like it happens in Brood War forums and how it used to be during HoTS(my answer to what Opisska is saying). I wonder why that might be... Maybe because TRUE doesn't have as fanatic fanboys as Serral? In terms of attention from the community, foreigners have to do half as much as koreans to get hype. Probably less than half actually. They can literally win one big match/event and the community will take years to stop talking about it. Even if 9/10 times they lose.
You might be true about the hype(and do you really wonder why when Starcraft has been totally dominated by koreans for more than a decade?), but on the other hand the non koreans who proved himself multiple times are still regarded as somehow inferior even when they shouldn't be.
Also, Chairo&co were hating on Serral before I even decided to make an account on Team Liquid; you hate fanboys? I hate extremists.
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On July 01 2019 04:08 opisska wrote:
Can someone explain me how is soO so ahead after losing so many drones?
roaches bloat supply, that s how
plus he struggled to get up his 3rd and bled units there
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On July 01 2019 04:09 Need wrote:
soO's all-ins are so much stronger than EU Z all-ins even if it failed
Everything is better with soO's macro and roach control
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On July 01 2019 04:08 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2019 04:01 Quasarrion wrote:
Zest can beat anyone, but defineatly not Serral Zest is only a shadow of his former self, for over a year now. He can mostly lose to anyone
What does that say about the scene that it's been less than a year since his last GSL semifinal?
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On July 01 2019 04:12 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2019 04:08 deacon.frost wrote:On July 01 2019 04:01 Quasarrion wrote:
Zest can beat anyone, but defineatly not Serral Zest is only a shadow of his former self, for over a year now. He can mostly lose to anyone What does that say about the scene that it's been less than a year since his last GSL semifinal?
First of all many agreed that he had very easy path and the second think - I thought It was 15 months ago
Edit> But anyway, doesn't change the fact he's Zest and he can dominate if he wants, but it mostly looks like he doesn't want to. It's not just his macro, getting WP killed by biles is just a sloppy play which wouldn't happen to Zest we know from years ago
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On July 01 2019 04:13 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2019 04:12 Elentos wrote:On July 01 2019 04:08 deacon.frost wrote:On July 01 2019 04:01 Quasarrion wrote:
Zest can beat anyone, but defineatly not Serral Zest is only a shadow of his former self, for over a year now. He can mostly lose to anyone What does that say about the scene that it's been less than a year since his last GSL semifinal? First of all many agreed that he had very easy path and the second think - I thought It was 15 months ago
Shockingly September was not 15 months ago. And neither is June which was when he played his last GSL final.
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Elentos - You are a great resource.
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On July 01 2019 04:13 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2019 04:12 Elentos wrote:On July 01 2019 04:08 deacon.frost wrote:On July 01 2019 04:01 Quasarrion wrote:
Zest can beat anyone, but defineatly not Serral Zest is only a shadow of his former self, for over a year now. He can mostly lose to anyone What does that say about the scene that it's been less than a year since his last GSL semifinal? First of all many agreed that he had very easy path and the second think - I thought It was 15 months ago
He's been fighting his way through the whole lower bracket. If he makes the finals he will also have defeated soO and TY. There's really nothing easy about that.
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