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Zest has a better chance to beat Serral than TY tbh
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On July 01 2019 04:22 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2019 04:21 Elentos wrote:On July 01 2019 04:20 BerserkSword wrote:
internet went out and i missed game 1 and 2 of soo-zest
any of them go lategame? Silly question. it feels like my internet was down for over an hour so i thought if this is only game 3 then maybe....just maybe
There has been very commercial, and much break
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Zest must be the only player in HSC who gets better with every passing hour. Power fueled by alcohol.
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On July 01 2019 04:20 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2019 04:07 Geo.Rion wrote:On July 01 2019 04:02 Fango wrote:On July 01 2019 03:56 Charoisaur wrote:On July 01 2019 03:49 Xain0n wrote:On July 01 2019 03:07 AttackZerg wrote:On July 01 2019 03:03 Xain0n wrote:On July 01 2019 03:00 AttackZerg wrote:On July 01 2019 02:55 Pandain wrote:On July 01 2019 02:52 deacon.frost wrote:
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Oh FFS, it's just a matter of time, the only way how to lose is to do some move command and die to stupidity.
Get your thick skull tested, not mine, jeez
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Jesus fucking christ, multiple times I mentioned he's top 4, he's probably the best zerg but hey, I'm the hater here. Stop being a blind fanboy and read what I write, not what YOU THINK I WRITE... You and Char and Xainon literally mess up every single thread talking about Serral. Even random threads that have nothing to do with it. Case in point: I didn't mention serral once and you think I did and started the debate. Let me be more nuanced: you don't hate serral. you are addicted to debating serral fanboys to the extreme. Every time I point out he MIGHT be the best zerg in all matchups ... they come out of the woodwork. Sc2 culture is so much worse then the bw scene was. I can't tell if it is age or just part and parcel of the whole internet getting stupider. These forums often barely differ from USEast. ... the public chat on west is actually worse then east. Dark times. Well, not speaking about Serral when Serral is playing a ZvT. I rarely introduce the argument, but I almost always speak when senseless things are said(quite often). I think the debate about best zerg is valid. I think many members on this forum have great perspective in both directions. Obviously, I am not talking about people who have valid commentary, having veteran sc2 players/members disagree with me is great, obviously they have valid reasons for disagreeing with me. I am totally fine with being wrong and learning why. It is the bandwagon of rage that shows up whenever he is mentioned. Is korean-0-phile a thing? Korean-centric? Dick riders? Not sure, but their is an anti-fan element that I lack good language to describe. If TRUE would have won what Serral did and played just like he does, WCS titles would still be compared to Olimoleagues but the atmosphere would be much more relaxed like it happens in Brood War forums and how it used to be during HoTS(my answer to what Opisska is saying). I wonder why that might be... Maybe because TRUE doesn't have as fanatic fanboys as Serral? In terms of attention from the community, foreigners have to do half as much as koreans to get hype. Probably less than half actually. They can literally win one big match/event and the community will take years to stop talking about it. Even if 9/10 times they lose. imagine saying that without sarcasm Remember when Neeb won a single lategame against Rogue and people didn't stop talking about it for ages? Even though he got smacked 2-0 in both followup matches right after. Or maybe when Neeb won kespa cup and had something like a 16% winrate against koreans for a year after? People were still bringing up kespa cup the whole time. Remember how hyped Scarlett was for making ro8 in GSL despite the fact she's had nine attempts and only one good run (when he basically cheesed every game iirc). Remember when Serral won GSL vs The World, one of the weakest weekenders of the year, and was suddenly praised as the best player in the world when Maru was literally winning back-to-back GSLs? Or if you wanna go even further, Serral has won two relevent tournaments and is in the running for GOAT according to a lot of people. Hell, people didn't stop talking about Showtime beating ByuN at blizzcon a few years ago. No one brings up the fact he's got 0-17 against korean terrans since. Point is, compare that with lower tier koreans, no one cares when Hurricane makes a deep GSL run or Bunny beats Maru in a bo3. Stats could have won GSL vs TW and blizzcon and would have had a fraction of the hype Serral did. edit: to clarify, I'm not trying to downplay what those foreigners did, I'm just saying that isn't easier for them to get praise and hype from the community.
Well, on the other hand we had ByuN hype for his micro even when he was losing because he miss-microed.
Rogue and his lategame PvZ was a meme quite fast.
The only thing I agree is the Serral hype, but then - the SC2 scene was waiting for a good foreigner for ages and now they have one, sadly we can't tell much as he's not playing in the Korean tournaments. (IEM didn't tell much for the Serral case either). So the hype had to be expected IMO.
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On July 01 2019 04:23 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2019 04:22 BerserkSword wrote:On July 01 2019 04:21 Elentos wrote:On July 01 2019 04:20 BerserkSword wrote:
internet went out and i missed game 1 and 2 of soo-zest
any of them go lategame? Silly question. it feels like my internet was down for over an hour so i thought if this is only game 3 then maybe....just maybe There has been very commercial, and much break
it feels like this year has a lot more commercials, breaks, downtime compared to prior years
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On July 01 2019 04:23 Elentos wrote:
Zest must be the only player in HSC who gets better with every passing hour. Power fueled by alcohol.
I think that scrappy game earlier, put him in a very good place mentally.
He won that game on pure will power.
(edit: changed brute force to will power)
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Nothing good in this game for soO honestly.
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On July 01 2019 04:23 Elentos wrote:
Zest must be the only player in HSC who gets better with every passing hour. Power fueled by alcohol.
every victory he gets stronger. feasting on the blood of his enemies
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On July 01 2019 04:27 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2019 04:23 Elentos wrote:
Zest must be the only player in HSC who gets better with every passing hour. Power fueled by alcohol. every victory he gets stronger. feasting on the blood of his enemies
P7GAB returns
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On July 01 2019 04:20 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2019 04:07 Geo.Rion wrote:On July 01 2019 04:02 Fango wrote:On July 01 2019 03:56 Charoisaur wrote:On July 01 2019 03:49 Xain0n wrote:On July 01 2019 03:07 AttackZerg wrote:On July 01 2019 03:03 Xain0n wrote:On July 01 2019 03:00 AttackZerg wrote:On July 01 2019 02:55 Pandain wrote:On July 01 2019 02:52 deacon.frost wrote:
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Oh FFS, it's just a matter of time, the only way how to lose is to do some move command and die to stupidity.
Get your thick skull tested, not mine, jeez
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Jesus fucking christ, multiple times I mentioned he's top 4, he's probably the best zerg but hey, I'm the hater here. Stop being a blind fanboy and read what I write, not what YOU THINK I WRITE... You and Char and Xainon literally mess up every single thread talking about Serral. Even random threads that have nothing to do with it. Case in point: I didn't mention serral once and you think I did and started the debate. Let me be more nuanced: you don't hate serral. you are addicted to debating serral fanboys to the extreme. Every time I point out he MIGHT be the best zerg in all matchups ... they come out of the woodwork. Sc2 culture is so much worse then the bw scene was. I can't tell if it is age or just part and parcel of the whole internet getting stupider. These forums often barely differ from USEast. ... the public chat on west is actually worse then east. Dark times. Well, not speaking about Serral when Serral is playing a ZvT. I rarely introduce the argument, but I almost always speak when senseless things are said(quite often). I think the debate about best zerg is valid. I think many members on this forum have great perspective in both directions. Obviously, I am not talking about people who have valid commentary, having veteran sc2 players/members disagree with me is great, obviously they have valid reasons for disagreeing with me. I am totally fine with being wrong and learning why. It is the bandwagon of rage that shows up whenever he is mentioned. Is korean-0-phile a thing? Korean-centric? Dick riders? Not sure, but their is an anti-fan element that I lack good language to describe. If TRUE would have won what Serral did and played just like he does, WCS titles would still be compared to Olimoleagues but the atmosphere would be much more relaxed like it happens in Brood War forums and how it used to be during HoTS(my answer to what Opisska is saying). I wonder why that might be... Maybe because TRUE doesn't have as fanatic fanboys as Serral? In terms of attention from the community, foreigners have to do half as much as koreans to get hype. Probably less than half actually. They can literally win one big match/event and the community will take years to stop talking about it. Even if 9/10 times they lose. imagine saying that without sarcasm Remember when Neeb won a single lategame against Rogue and people didn't stop talking about it for ages? Even though he got smacked 2-0 in both followup matches right after. Or maybe when Neeb won kespa cup and had something like a 16% winrate against koreans for a year after? People were still bringing up kespa cup the whole time. Remember how hyped Scarlett was for making ro8 in GSL despite the fact she's had nine attempts and only one good run (where she basically cheesed every game iirc). Remember when Serral won GSL vs The World, one of the weakest weekenders of the year, and was suddenly praised as the best player in the world when Maru was literally winning back-to-back GSLs? Or if you wanna go even further, Serral has won two relevant tournaments and is in the running for GOAT according to a lot of people. Hell, people didn't stop talking about Showtime beating ByuN at blizzcon a few years ago. No one brings up the fact he's gone 0-17 against korean terrans since. Point is, compare that with lower tier koreans, no one cares when Hurricane makes a deep GSL run or Bunny beats Maru in a bo3. Stats could have won GSL vs TW and blizzcon and would have had a fraction of the hype Serral did. edit: to clarify, I'm not trying to downplay what those foreigners did, I'm just saying that it's easier for them to get praise and hype from the community.
I remember the community hyping it up when those games happened, i havent seen or heard references to those games this year, up until this moment
Also it's actually mind-blowing how you self-hypnotize yourself into believing that GSL vs the world is a meaningless weak weekender, while GSL season is the end all be all tournament, while it's literally the same people playing, with different format. I mean you do this in the same sentence, i'm just amazed at this level of self-delusion.
And you then cry about Serral fans being blind, biased and annoying, like irony level over 9000
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Hope TY vs Zest is going to be better.
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On July 01 2019 04:31 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2019 04:20 Fango wrote:On July 01 2019 04:07 Geo.Rion wrote:On July 01 2019 04:02 Fango wrote:On July 01 2019 03:56 Charoisaur wrote:On July 01 2019 03:49 Xain0n wrote:On July 01 2019 03:07 AttackZerg wrote:On July 01 2019 03:03 Xain0n wrote:On July 01 2019 03:00 AttackZerg wrote:On July 01 2019 02:55 Pandain wrote:
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You and Char and Xainon literally mess up every single thread talking about Serral. Even random threads that have nothing to do with it.
Case in point: I didn't mention serral once and you think I did and started the debate.
Let me be more nuanced: you don't hate serral. you are addicted to debating serral fanboys to the extreme. Every time I point out he MIGHT be the best zerg in all matchups ... they come out of the woodwork. Sc2 culture is so much worse then the bw scene was. I can't tell if it is age or just part and parcel of the whole internet getting stupider. These forums often barely differ from USEast. ... the public chat on west is actually worse then east. Dark times. Well, not speaking about Serral when Serral is playing a ZvT. I rarely introduce the argument, but I almost always speak when senseless things are said(quite often). I think the debate about best zerg is valid. I think many members on this forum have great perspective in both directions. Obviously, I am not talking about people who have valid commentary, having veteran sc2 players/members disagree with me is great, obviously they have valid reasons for disagreeing with me. I am totally fine with being wrong and learning why. It is the bandwagon of rage that shows up whenever he is mentioned. Is korean-0-phile a thing? Korean-centric? Dick riders? Not sure, but their is an anti-fan element that I lack good language to describe. If TRUE would have won what Serral did and played just like he does, WCS titles would still be compared to Olimoleagues but the atmosphere would be much more relaxed like it happens in Brood War forums and how it used to be during HoTS(my answer to what Opisska is saying). I wonder why that might be... Maybe because TRUE doesn't have as fanatic fanboys as Serral? In terms of attention from the community, foreigners have to do half as much as koreans to get hype. Probably less than half actually. They can literally win one big match/event and the community will take years to stop talking about it. Even if 9/10 times they lose. imagine saying that without sarcasm Remember when Neeb won a single lategame against Rogue and people didn't stop talking about it for ages? Even though he got smacked 2-0 in both followup matches right after. Or maybe when Neeb won kespa cup and had something like a 16% winrate against koreans for a year after? People were still bringing up kespa cup the whole time. Remember how hyped Scarlett was for making ro8 in GSL despite the fact she's had nine attempts and only one good run (where she basically cheesed every game iirc). Remember when Serral won GSL vs The World, one of the weakest weekenders of the year, and was suddenly praised as the best player in the world when Maru was literally winning back-to-back GSLs? Or if you wanna go even further, Serral has won two relevant tournaments and is in the running for GOAT according to a lot of people. Hell, people didn't stop talking about Showtime beating ByuN at blizzcon a few years ago. No one brings up the fact he's gone 0-17 against korean terrans since. Point is, compare that with lower tier koreans, no one cares when Hurricane makes a deep GSL run or Bunny beats Maru in a bo3. Stats could have won GSL vs TW and blizzcon and would have had a fraction of the hype Serral did. edit: to clarify, I'm not trying to downplay what those foreigners did, I'm just saying that it's easier for them to get praise and hype from the community. I remember the community hyping it up when those games happened, i havent seen or heard references to those games this year, up until this moment Also it's actually mind-blowing how you self-hypnotize yourself into believing that GSL vs the world is a meaningless weak weekender, while GSL season is the end all be all tournament, while it's literally the same people playing, with different format. I mean you do this in the same sentence, i'm just amazed at this level of self-delusion.
"literally the same people playing" with half of the players being foreigners and half of the players being voted in.
i'm just amazed at this level of self-delusion.
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I have never heard of a korean pro gamer not trying to win vs a non-korean.
I remember ForU being pretty upset losing 1 game at a wcg to a non-korean.
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On July 01 2019 04:35 AttackZerg wrote:
I have never heard of a korean pro gamer not trying to win vs a non-korean.
I remember ForU being pretty upset losing 1 game at a wcg to a non-korean.
I remembrer TossGirl crying cause she lost to Idra 
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Losing to him ... would be exceptionally worse.
That is two loses at once.
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Zest has this easily, this soO's late game we're talking about
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First good game of the match.... or .. first game enjoyable to watch.
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I expected nothing less from this series
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On July 01 2019 04:33 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2019 04:31 Geo.Rion wrote:On July 01 2019 04:20 Fango wrote:On July 01 2019 04:07 Geo.Rion wrote:On July 01 2019 04:02 Fango wrote:On July 01 2019 03:56 Charoisaur wrote:On July 01 2019 03:49 Xain0n wrote:On July 01 2019 03:07 AttackZerg wrote:On July 01 2019 03:03 Xain0n wrote:On July 01 2019 03:00 AttackZerg wrote:
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Every time I point out he MIGHT be the best zerg in all matchups ... they come out of the woodwork.
Sc2 culture is so much worse then the bw scene was. I can't tell if it is age or just part and parcel of the whole internet getting stupider. These forums often barely differ from USEast.
... the public chat on west is actually worse then east. Dark times. Well, not speaking about Serral when Serral is playing a ZvT. I rarely introduce the argument, but I almost always speak when senseless things are said(quite often). I think the debate about best zerg is valid. I think many members on this forum have great perspective in both directions. Obviously, I am not talking about people who have valid commentary, having veteran sc2 players/members disagree with me is great, obviously they have valid reasons for disagreeing with me. I am totally fine with being wrong and learning why. It is the bandwagon of rage that shows up whenever he is mentioned. Is korean-0-phile a thing? Korean-centric? Dick riders? Not sure, but their is an anti-fan element that I lack good language to describe. If TRUE would have won what Serral did and played just like he does, WCS titles would still be compared to Olimoleagues but the atmosphere would be much more relaxed like it happens in Brood War forums and how it used to be during HoTS(my answer to what Opisska is saying). I wonder why that might be... Maybe because TRUE doesn't have as fanatic fanboys as Serral? In terms of attention from the community, foreigners have to do half as much as koreans to get hype. Probably less than half actually. They can literally win one big match/event and the community will take years to stop talking about it. Even if 9/10 times they lose. imagine saying that without sarcasm Remember when Neeb won a single lategame against Rogue and people didn't stop talking about it for ages? Even though he got smacked 2-0 in both followup matches right after. Or maybe when Neeb won kespa cup and had something like a 16% winrate against koreans for a year after? People were still bringing up kespa cup the whole time. Remember how hyped Scarlett was for making ro8 in GSL despite the fact she's had nine attempts and only one good run (where she basically cheesed every game iirc). Remember when Serral won GSL vs The World, one of the weakest weekenders of the year, and was suddenly praised as the best player in the world when Maru was literally winning back-to-back GSLs? Or if you wanna go even further, Serral has won two relevant tournaments and is in the running for GOAT according to a lot of people. Hell, people didn't stop talking about Showtime beating ByuN at blizzcon a few years ago. No one brings up the fact he's gone 0-17 against korean terrans since. Point is, compare that with lower tier koreans, no one cares when Hurricane makes a deep GSL run or Bunny beats Maru in a bo3. Stats could have won GSL vs TW and blizzcon and would have had a fraction of the hype Serral did. edit: to clarify, I'm not trying to downplay what those foreigners did, I'm just saying that it's easier for them to get praise and hype from the community. I remember the community hyping it up when those games happened, i havent seen or heard references to those games this year, up until this moment Also it's actually mind-blowing how you self-hypnotize yourself into believing that GSL vs the world is a meaningless weak weekender, while GSL season is the end all be all tournament, while it's literally the same people playing, with different format. I mean you do this in the same sentence, i'm just amazed at this level of self-delusion. "literally the same people playing" with half of the players being foreigners and half of the players being voted in. i'm just amazed at this level of self-delusion.
You're having a bad day, it must be really rough for you, so i dont want to be mean to you. You know full well what i meant, the Koreans who competed there are the same who make up the top gsl spots, and the foreigners were mostly the guys you saw in code S, and qualifying for Blizzcon etc.
But, as I said, i feel your pain, so i'll grant it to you, I used "literally" incorrectly there.
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I like soO as a person, but I haven't been impressed by anything he's done in a long time. Just disappointing series
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