On April 05 2019 20:07 byte-Curious wrote: Please Maru, I don't want another PVP finals.
Yeah, we get so many of them these days
Yeah, last time, a non-terran won GSL was 2 years ago lol.
A PvP, would be some fresh air compared to Maru in final again.
The last GSL result was a PvP in the Super Tournament 2
And then it was... like Kespa cup 2016? I don't think we had a real GSL (or SSL) pvp final since WOL Edit: Confirmation made the only korean league final pvp was MC-Seed in 2012, once in a while isn't to bad.
On April 05 2019 20:07 byte-Curious wrote: Please Maru, I don't want another PVP finals.
Yeah, we get so many of them these days
Yeah, last time, a non-terran won GSL was 2 years ago lol.
A PvP, would be some fresh air compared to Maru in final again.
And the last time a Zerg won Code S was Life in 2015 Season 1. That's 4 years ago (although to be fair I believe soO made 2 finals after that but it still isn't first place)
Maru's GSL domination is the one fragment of continuity we have to cling to from 2018. I change my mind on whether I want stability or utter chaos on a week to week basis.
The way Tasteless brings up balance issues actually is quite tasteful ''Some players have theorized that its hard for Terran to take on Protoss in the lategame.''
On April 06 2019 13:16 Morbidius wrote: The way Tasteless brings up balance issues actually is quite tasteful ''Some players have theorized that its hard for Terran to take on Protoss in the lategame.''
On April 06 2019 13:27 CoupdeBoule wrote: Why isnt Trap walling his nat? Doesnt he realize he’s playing against someone who’s dumb enough to suicide Hellions?
yeah so dumb to suicide hellions, after all if you save them they are good vs any unit protoss can build /s
On April 06 2019 13:27 CoupdeBoule wrote: Why isnt Trap walling his nat? Doesnt he realize he’s playing against someone who’s dumb enough to suicide Hellions?
yeah so dumb to suicide hellions, after all if you save them they are good vs any unit protoss can build /s
but yeah a wall would be helpful lol
Allow me to blow your mind: it is in fact possible to not build the Hellions in the first place
On April 06 2019 13:27 CoupdeBoule wrote: Why isnt Trap walling his nat? Doesnt he realize he’s playing against someone who’s dumb enough to suicide Hellions?
yeah so dumb to suicide hellions, after all if you save them they are good vs any unit protoss can build /s
but yeah a wall would be helpful lol
Allow me to blow your mind: it is in fact possible to not build the Hellions in the first place
On April 06 2019 13:27 CoupdeBoule wrote: Why isnt Trap walling his nat? Doesnt he realize he’s playing against someone who’s dumb enough to suicide Hellions?
yeah so dumb to suicide hellions, after all if you save them they are good vs any unit protoss can build /s
but yeah a wall would be helpful lol
Allow me to blow your mind: it is in fact possible to not build the Hellions in the first place
good thing you aren't Maru's coach
Yeah Maru has been winning because of his “eager” harassment openings not in spite of them!
On April 06 2019 13:27 CoupdeBoule wrote: Why isnt Trap walling his nat? Doesnt he realize he’s playing against someone who’s dumb enough to suicide Hellions?
yeah so dumb to suicide hellions, after all if you save them they are good vs any unit protoss can build /s
but yeah a wall would be helpful lol
Allow me to blow your mind: it is in fact possible to not build the Hellions in the first place
good thing you aren't Maru's coach
Yeah Maru has been winning because of his “eager” harassment openings not in spite of them!
he literally just won that game with harass, try watching the games a little more closely
Someone needs to tell GSL's graphic designers that having the 'Jin Air Green Wings' text for Trap be several points smaller than the 'Jin Air Green Wings' text for Maru is kinda tilting.
On April 06 2019 13:27 CoupdeBoule wrote: Why isnt Trap walling his nat? Doesnt he realize he’s playing against someone who’s dumb enough to suicide Hellions?
yeah so dumb to suicide hellions, after all if you save them they are good vs any unit protoss can build /s
but yeah a wall would be helpful lol
Allow me to blow your mind: it is in fact possible to not build the Hellions in the first place
good thing you aren't Maru's coach
Yeah Maru has been winning because of his “eager” harassment openings not in spite of them!
he literally just won that game with harass, try watching the games a little more closely
Maru didnt win - Trap lost by defending the harass poorly
On April 06 2019 13:27 CoupdeBoule wrote: Why isnt Trap walling his nat? Doesnt he realize he’s playing against someone who’s dumb enough to suicide Hellions?
yeah so dumb to suicide hellions, after all if you save them they are good vs any unit protoss can build /s
but yeah a wall would be helpful lol
Allow me to blow your mind: it is in fact possible to not build the Hellions in the first place
good thing you aren't Maru's coach
Yeah Maru has been winning because of his “eager” harassment openings not in spite of them!
he literally just won that game with harass, try watching the games a little more closely
Maru didnt win - Trap lost by defending the harass poorly
ok whatever I'm not going to argue with you. Anyways I hope Trap can at least take a game or two to make the series more interesting
On April 06 2019 13:40 Morbidius wrote: I think Trap will get 4-0ed here, Kairos and Cyber are very good Terran maps, and Year Zero and Kings Cove are the last maps.
King's Cove isn't even that bad for terran in PvT imo (better than Automaton by a fair margin).
On April 06 2019 13:41 Die4Ever wrote: hmm how does Maru have a long way to go to match Flash? isn't he pretty close in number of starleague wins and he kicked ass in proleague too
Just had to not fuck it up against sOs in Blizzcon and everyone would have bowed down. Now we have this weird best in the east/best in the west situation, and they never play so we have no idea.
On April 06 2019 13:41 Die4Ever wrote: hmm how does Maru have a long way to go to match Flash? isn't he pretty close in number of starleague wins and he kicked ass in proleague too
Just had to not fuck it up against sOs in Blizzcon and everyone would have bowed down. Now we have this weird best in the east/best in the west situation, and they never play so we have no idea.
He's also been falling flat on his face in everything other than Code S. Losing to MeomaikA doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
On April 06 2019 13:41 Die4Ever wrote: hmm how does Maru have a long way to go to match Flash? isn't he pretty close in number of starleague wins and he kicked ass in proleague too
Just had to not fuck it up against sOs in Blizzcon and everyone would have bowed down. Now we have this weird best in the east/best in the west situation, and they never play so we have no idea.
On April 06 2019 13:52 ordeal11 wrote: ok Maru is either too strong or Dear/Trap were overhyped kinda coz they getting bullied hard
seeing as Dear killed every other top terran before I don't think he was overhyped, maybe he underperformed on the day but imo he still has amazing PvT
On April 06 2019 13:49 geokilla wrote: Most players would have been down and out. But not Maru.
I thought the oppening seemed quite good for Maru honestly
Stalker pressure from Trap did okay, but not much more than that. The position was pretty even--winnable for either player, maybe slightly better for Trap.
Why does Artosis insist on this ''You have to go Colossi against Maru'' thing? He knows who invented the boost and drop in to kill colossi thing right?
On April 06 2019 13:55 Morbidius wrote: Why does Artosis insist on this ''You have to go Colossi against Maru'' thing? He knows who invented the boost and drop in to kill colossi thing right?
It's kinda weird. On the one hand, it's the one strategy that beat Maru recently. On the other hand, he's 99.9% likely to have prepared for it because of that.
It's a shame. Trap looked pretty good against TY and Inno but now all eyes are on Classic. I think Classic will probably lose the finals though. Classic's PvT looks kind of weak atm tbh.
On April 06 2019 14:07 seemsgood wrote: not gonna recommend any game today How did this guy make it to ro4 is beyond me...
By beating all the best terrans in the world besides Maru.
Great players have this way of making their opponents look much worse than they are you know.
Thats why I love and respect Rogue so much. Rogue looked so so strong in Maru vs Rogue quarter finals last year it literally felt as though Maru had to steal the win somehow and it came down to that last tank shot on the banelings.
On April 06 2019 13:52 ordeal11 wrote: ok Maru is either too strong or Dear/Trap were overhyped kinda coz they getting bullied hard
At least Dear put up a fight and had a few close games. This is not even close.
Yeah but it's scary when u consider Dear and Trap are top 3 and top 4 P respectively. Dear put up a fight but from my point of view Maru still was in control of those games. Trap, however, got rekt hard. I would expect more close games at the tippity top korean level
Classic won't stand a chanche, too; Dark, on the other hand, would have given us a final.
Code S is the most predictable tournament in the world with Zerg always disappointing and Maru rekting the oh so very strong Protoss players every single time.
On April 06 2019 14:25 Xain0n wrote: Classic won't stand a chanche, too; Dark, on the other hand, would have given us a final.
Code S is the most predictable tournament in the world with Zerg always disappointing and Maru rekting the oh so very strong Protoss players every single time.
Honestly, I don't think Dark would've made a difference either. TY was the only one who could do it imo
Artosis noted how Trap should have abused Colossus against Maru because Maru is weak against Colossus builds, especially at the Super Tournaments last year. But Trap refused to do that. That was just a poor choice of strategy and builds by Trap.
Also, some of Trap's micro against Maru was aweful. Artosis called out Trap multiple times for bad micro in game 4.
On April 06 2019 14:25 Xain0n wrote: Classic won't stand a chanche, too; Dark, on the other hand, would have given us a final.
Code S is the most predictable tournament in the world with Zerg always disappointing and Maru rekting the oh so very strong Protoss players every single time.
Honestly, I don't think Dark would've made a difference either. TY was the only one who could do it imo
Not really, the series vs Dark were close enough in the past and Maru's TvZ doesn't seem as good lately while Dark's ZvT is still shiny. TY, on the other hand, didn't seem as impressive as always in TvT, even if he would have been a much opponent than Classic; thus said, I hope Classic does it but I would not bet on it.
On April 06 2019 15:00 xelnaga_empire wrote: Artosis noted how Trap should have abused Colossus against Maru because Maru is weak against Colossus builds, especially at the Super Tournaments last year. But Trap refused to do that. That was just a poor choice of strategy and builds by Trap.
Also, some of Trap's micro against Maru was aweful. Artosis called out Trap multiple times for bad micro in game 4.
Maru would just drop marauders and mines on them. Who knows how the games look like in the team house. Also Maru showed the willingness to build vikings relatively early, maybe that took the wind out of Traps colossus sails.
On April 06 2019 15:00 xelnaga_empire wrote: Artosis noted how Trap should have abused Colossus against Maru because Maru is weak against Colossus builds, especially at the Super Tournaments last year. But Trap refused to do that. That was just a poor choice of strategy and builds by Trap.
Also, some of Trap's micro against Maru was aweful. Artosis called out Trap multiple times for bad micro in game 4.
Maru would just drop marauders and mines on them. Who knows how the games look like in the team house. Also Maru showed the willingness to build vikings relatively early, maybe that took the wind out of Traps colossus sails.
It's probably the fact that Maru builds a raven every game which completely invalidates low colossus counts.
On April 06 2019 17:27 NExt wrote: Is Maru serious or just supporting his team? No way Trap is stronger than Classic? Am I missing something
He's the same person who wanted to play against Trap instead of TY because "he never wanted to see him again". It's obvious whatever balance issues are at play he would rather play TvP than TvT, which pretty clearly indicates the balance isn't as bad as it seems.
I am happy for Maru but I feel like we are being denied best games... Maru vs Rogue or Maru vs Dark would have been a crazy finals. Instead we will just watch another mechanically inferior toss get dumpstered into oblivion in four 8 minute games :/
On April 06 2019 15:00 xelnaga_empire wrote: Artosis noted how Trap should have abused Colossus against Maru because Maru is weak against Colossus builds, especially at the Super Tournaments last year. But Trap refused to do that. That was just a poor choice of strategy and builds by Trap.
Also, some of Trap's micro against Maru was aweful. Artosis called out Trap multiple times for bad micro in game 4.
Maru would just drop marauders and mines on them. Who knows how the games look like in the team house. Also Maru showed the willingness to build vikings relatively early, maybe that took the wind out of Traps colossus sails.
It's probably the fact that Maru builds a raven every game which completely invalidates low colossus counts.
i think after the cyclone's rework ,dude has found another unit to abuse in the early stage
On April 06 2019 17:27 NExt wrote: Is Maru serious or just supporting his team? No way Trap is stronger than Classic? Am I missing something
He is supporting his team. He said the same about Rogue at BlizzCon (iirc, might have been another tournament) compared to Serral, but Serral shat on everyone as expected proving that Rogue wasn't better than Serral at the time at all.
What you expect he would say after 4-0 his teammate? Ohh God he is trash af? He said what he suppose to. Personally think Classic is way better then Trap.
I don't know why some people here don't give a chance to Classic. Maru is good now, but Classic gave many amazing long macro game vs best of the best players. He doesn't have many titles but he can beat any top player.
On April 06 2019 17:27 NExt wrote: Is Maru serious or just supporting his team? No way Trap is stronger than Classic? Am I missing something
He is supporting his team. He said the same about Rogue at BlizzCon (iirc, might have been another tournament) compared to Serral, but Serral shat on everyone as expected proving that Rogue wasn't better than Serral at the time at all.
Yeah, Serral proved him wrong in the end, but I think at the time Maru sincerely believed that. It could be that Trap looks great in practice and something still doesn't quite make it to the stage. Or it could be that Maru thought that Classic looked good on prep vs Dark, but didn't necessarily look like "the better player" (Dark has a way of looking amazing while losing, doesn't he?). Or maybe some other things, I don't know. He was probably being polite/supportive also, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a good dose of sincerity mixed in.
I don’t think Maru believed Rogue was better than Serral or that Trap is better than Classic. Lest we forget, Maru has champion mentality. He’s just trying to get into the head of his opponent.
Evidence of this was the camera pan to Rogue’s face when Maru said that he was better than Serral, and Rogue had this embarrassed, nervous and startled look as if he was just caught in a lie.
On April 06 2019 13:27 CoupdeBoule wrote: Why isnt Trap walling his nat? Doesnt he realize he’s playing against someone who’s dumb enough to suicide Hellions?
yeah so dumb to suicide hellions, after all if you save them they are good vs any unit protoss can build /s
but yeah a wall would be helpful lol
Allow me to blow your mind: it is in fact possible to not build the Hellions in the first place
good thing you aren't Maru's coach
just read the thread but its mindblowing how people think they know better, not just in this context of someone talking trash about one of the greatest sc2 players of all time, but in general. yes, good thing this guy isn't maru's coach. who knows, maybe this poster is a top GM, but somehow doubt that
On April 07 2019 00:28 JJH777 wrote: Maru was obviously referring to Rogues ZvT when he made that statement. Serral has never had better ZvT than Rogue.
Hard to say when Serral didn't face anyone after Inno at GSL vs the World in 2018; I see how Maru could be convinced of that tho(despite losing that bo1 direct confrontation).