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digmouse
China6330 Posts
![[image loading]](https://www.teamliquid.net/staff/digmouse/WESG.png) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/08h88.png) March 14 2019 15:00 HKT  ![[image loading]](https://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/7/7f/Twitch_ico.png) WESG SC2 Stage | WESG Main Stage TakeTV |  O'Gaming |  PsinsinCasters: RotterDam, Wardi, Rapid, Lowko ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gsiQ0.png) Round of 16  PtitDrogo vs  Lambo INnoVation vs RailRound of 8 Serral vs DarkDnS vs ScarlettMaru vs NeebTBD vs TBD ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/L6Pww.png)  World Electronic Sports Games 2018 | ||
Poopi
France12909 Posts
PtitDrogo 2-3 LamboINnoVation 3-1 RailSerral 2-3 DarkDnS 1-3 ScarlettMaru 3-1 NeebINnoVation 3-1 Lambo | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
PtitDrogo 3-2 Lambo (this was a "heart" pick)INnoVation 3-0 RailSerral 3-2 DarkScarlett 3-1 DnSNeeb 3-2 Maru (Not sure, but Maru has been looking mighty unstable lately, and Neeb has been looking really strong)INnoVation 3-0 PtitDrogo | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
Lambo 3-1 PtitDrogo INnoVation 3-0 RailSerral 3-1 DarkScarlett 3-2 DnSMaru 3-1 NeebINnoVation 3-0 Lambo | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On March 13 2019 22:54 Poopi wrote: Predictions : PtitDrogo 2-3 LamboINnoVation 3-1 RailSerral 2-3 DarkDnS 1-3 ScarlettMaru 3-1 NeebINnoVation 3-1 LamboSame as my predictions | ||
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
Anybody knows how the Reynor vs Ptit games looked like? | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On March 14 2019 01:05 Kimb3r wrote: Lambo wrote on sunday on Twitter that he is pretty sick + he lost vs MaNa in group stage, who's probably weaker than PtitDrogo, while PtitDrogo won against Reynor, who's probably better than Lambo... I think Ptit could win this... Anybody knows how the Reynor vs Ptit games looked like? One of the games was a simple timing attack that Reynor just wasnt ready for. Was too greedy and went directly into 3 base hydra - no banes, no roaches. The other game Reynor was too greedy again, and didnt build a spore at his third (or maybe any base, I dont recall) and Drogo sniped the third with dts and the game snow-balled from there into another timing attack that Reynor couldnt hold with hydras. I agree that Lambo is not looking strong, and to be honest he has never really lived up to the hype given to him by others or himself. Drogo has been looking his best recently, and I know he plays a decent amount with Serral. | ||
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JJH777
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
On March 14 2019 01:34 TentativePanda wrote: One of the games was a simple timing attack that Reynor just wasnt ready for. Was too greedy and went directly into 3 base hydra - no banes, no roaches. The other game Reynor was too greedy again, and didnt build a spore at his third (or maybe any base, I dont recall) and Drogo sniped the third with dts and the game snow-balled from there into another timing attack that Reynor couldnt hold with hydras. I agree that Lambo is not looking strong, and to be honest he has never really lived up to the hype given to him by others or himself. Drogo has been looking his best recently, and I know he plays a decent amount with Serral. Interesting aspect that he trains with Serral. Nothing to fret about. Thanks for the info! Especially his interview at IEM where he boasted that he didn't really train and his whole conceited behavior was a little bit irritating. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
PtitDrogo 3-2 Lambo INnoVation 3-0 RailSerral 3-1 DarkScarlett 3-1 DnSNeeb 3-2 MaruINnoVation 3-1 PtitDrogoHoping for a Neeb win here, I would still call it a light upset given Neeb is facing Maru, but Neeb is super hot now and can definitely do it | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
PtitDrogo 3-1 LamboBogus 3-0 RailSerral 2-3 DarkScarlett 3-1 DnSNeeb 0-3 MaruBogus 3-0 PtitDrogoI feel like this time Dark is going to get Serral. | ||
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bela.mervado
Hungary406 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16044 Posts
Neeb vs Dark finals is likely. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 14 2019 04:11 Charoisaur wrote: Neeb somehow has really strong PvT right now so I think he should be favored against Maru and later vs Inno. Neeb vs Dark finals is likely. Best troll here period  | ||
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pvsnp
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On March 14 2019 02:11 JJH777 wrote: About how long has it been taking WESG to get through each series? I want to try to get up for Maru vs Neeb. Roughly an hour per series from what I've seen. Ofc it depends on whether the series is 3-0 or 3-2, cheese or macro, etc. No way for average time to be consistent. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Lambo 2-3 (P)PtitDrogo (T) INnoVation 3-0 (P)Rail(Z) Serral 3-2 (Z)Dark(Z) Scarlett 3-1 (P)DnS(T) Maru 3-2 (P)Neeb(T) INnoVation 3-0 (P)PtitDrogo | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 14 2019 04:11 Charoisaur wrote: Neeb somehow has really strong PvT right now so I think he should be favored against Maru and later vs Inno. Neeb vs Dark finals is likely. *cough* Neeb already lost a game to Maru in the WESG group stage *cough* 2-1 though + Show Spoiler + btw this comment is a trap, if you get it then I applaud your research and that you've done your homework | ||
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pvsnp
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On March 14 2019 04:47 AzAlexZ wrote: *cough* Neeb already lost a game to Maru in the WESG group stage *cough* 2-1 though + Show Spoiler + btw this comment is a trap, if you get it then I applaud your research and that you've done your homework The fact that people need to explain their own sarcasm on the internet is regrettable. Damn Poe's law. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 14 2019 05:00 pvsnp wrote: The fact that people need to explain their own sarcasm on the internet is regrettable. Damn Poe's law. Well I wanted to have some fun but at the same time didn't want to deal with people who didn't know that Masa' actual name was Maru so.... | ||
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starkiller123
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Tsubbi
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Kimb3r
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Geo.Rion
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On March 14 2019 16:19 IshinShishi wrote: nydus fiesta is clearly tilting drogo lmao honestly i think this is what Nydus was meant to be used. I dont feel like it s getting nerfed cuz so many zergs are using it for lategame army movement and flanks, but because it makes allining with queens so much easier. | ||
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Meeii
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On March 14 2019 16:23 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Gotta say Nydus play is fun to watch :D It's fun to watch but damn it must be annoying to play against. - Hey my whole army is down here! - Hey my whole army is in your base! - Hey my whole army is behind your third! | ||
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pvsnp
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On March 14 2019 16:24 Geo.Rion wrote: honestly i think this is what Nydus was meant to be used. I dont feel like it s getting nerfed cuz so many zergs are using it for lategame army movement and flanks, but because it makes allining with queens so much easier. Have to agree, how many of worms finished because Drogo couldn't kill it fast enough? One or two? Armor nerf won't change the ping-ping army movement and that's what tore him apart. Less armor will make them weaker for allins though, and that's good. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
On March 14 2019 16:24 Geo.Rion wrote: honestly i think this is what Nydus was meant to be used. I dont feel like it s getting nerfed cuz so many zergs are using it for lategame army movement and flanks, but because it makes allining with queens so much easier. its too cheap, its like you could have empty medivacs summoning bio for half the money anywhere you want all the time in multiple locations | ||
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pvsnp
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FrostedMiniWheats
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Tsubbi
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Musicus
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
On March 14 2019 16:29 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: rrrrrolled, dunno why I bet on Ptit Haha yeah same here.. well I'll arrive to work on time at least xD | ||
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Geo.Rion
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On March 14 2019 16:30 Musicus wrote: Lambo's preparation was too good. you misspelled nydus | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On March 14 2019 16:34 Geo.Rion wrote: Really liking Lambo's chances to get to the semis if Rail takes down Innovation lol well no shit if the vastly inferior player somehow beats the way better one than that would be good for lambo | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 14 2019 16:35 starkiller123 wrote: lol well no shit if the vastly inferior player somehow beats the way better one than that would be good for lambo well, that, and his ZvT is not good at all  But seriously, i know how big a favorite Inno is, but Rail taking him down was/is my long shot prediction for this tourney | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
That game 1 nydus was the best! | ||
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starkiller123
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Durnuu
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On March 14 2019 16:47 starkiller123 wrote: i bet INno knows absolutely nothing about Rail He knows what race he plays! | ||
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pvsnp
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FrostedMiniWheats
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AzAlexZ
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OhThatDang
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Poopi
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pvsnp
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BerserkSword
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starkiller123
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Doko
Argentina1737 Posts
On March 14 2019 17:09 Zerg.Zilla wrote: Why would you attack into that?! -.-" Because he almost won with it? inno was like 20 supply off having 3 colossus camping his natural ramp. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 14 2019 17:11 Doko wrote: Because he almost won with it? inno was like 20 supply off having 3 colossus camping his natural ramp. That attack was fine but he tried again | ||
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Doko
Argentina1737 Posts
On March 14 2019 17:12 BerserkSword wrote: That attack was fine but he tried again disagree, the first attack was utterly stupid. If there was like 3 or 4 mines sitting near the natural / 3rd those zealots melt and that fight looks ridiculous. Once he did break through and still having his colossus alive it was a good move, but Inno's +2 ship weapons kicked in right as rail went in for round 2. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 14 2019 17:16 Doko wrote: disagree, the first attack was utterly stupid. If there was like 3 or 4 mines sitting near the natural / 3rd those zealots melt and that fight looks ridiculous. Once he did break through and still having his colossus alive it was a good move, but Inno's +2 ship weapons kicked in right as rail went in for round 2. I dont know if i would call it utterly stupid since Rail did test the waters first (and it ended up working for him), but if i were in his position i wouldnt have done it - i wouldve just tried to macro up, map control, and prevent any push instead of trying to break inno right then and there He shouldve stopped after he forced evacuation but failed to kill CC imo. What I meant was that "round 2" was questionable af. It looks like he got tunnel vision at that point | ||
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BerserkSword
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pvsnp
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Well, I guess not. | ||
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Durnuu
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 14 2019 17:30 Durnuu wrote: 20 tempests lost, damn It may not matter now. Rail will probably take this game, he's making this a series lol | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 14 2019 17:30 Durnuu wrote: 20 tempests lost, damn After they nerfed the speed , they shouldve given some more HP/shields back. now they are shredded by everything | ||
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Harris1st
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Mlord
France135 Posts
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pvsnp
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But I guess Inno is not Maru | ||
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Musicus
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sneakyfox
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On March 14 2019 17:45 pvsnp wrote: That was such a yolo move, just randomly pull all the boys and go for it You say 'yolo', I say '1000 IQ'  Inno was like "fuck this shit I can win now or in 5 minutes, why wait" | ||
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xongnox
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No way in hell you don't take the boys. | ||
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
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Poopi
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IshinShishi
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sneakyfox
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On March 14 2019 17:47 Kimb3r wrote: Dark vs Serral gonna be so sick... why am I at work? ;( No pashun? | ||
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ubikz
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On March 14 2019 17:47 Poopi wrote: INno lost a game against Rail? Crap :/ Made Rail fight hard for it though | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
I'm going to sleep now, take that passion. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 14 2019 17:46 xongnox wrote: he saw protoss 4th base before building his 3rd. No way in hell you don't take the boys. idk why foreign protoss players decide to play greedy against the best terran players in the world neeb was never able to beat maru until recently because he'd always play greedy af | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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AzAlexZ
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Argonauta
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
das it mane | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7090 Posts
On March 12 2019 23:56 Harris1st wrote: Time for some predictions: MaNa vs Serral 1:3Dark vs TooDming 3:1SortOf vs DnS 2:3Scarlett vs SpeCial 3:1Maru vs Elazer 3:0Neeb vs Reynor 3:0PtitDrogo vs Lambo 3:1INnoVation vs Rail 3:1Damn you Lambo! Ruined my almost perfect score  But I am really happy for my fellow German. Hope he can deliver vs Inno | ||
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
I have Twitch open so I can check the supply every now and then but nothing more... | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Serral 3-2 DarkScarlett 3-1 DnSNeeb 3-2 MaruINnoVation 3-2 LamboThought long and hard about Serral vs Dark, and I think 3-1 is just not gonna happen. I think it's gonna be super nail-biting, same as Neeb vs Maru, good day for SC2 *fingers crossed* | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 14 2019 17:48 BerserkSword wrote: neeb was never able to beat maru until recently because he'd always play greedy af He played pretty damn greedy against Maru at IEM still. Game 1 he went up to three bases of three gateways while getting blink, and game 2 he even took a fourth base while Maru was doing two base allin aggression. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7090 Posts
On March 14 2019 17:57 Kimb3r wrote: I have Twitch open so I can check the supply every now and then but nothing more... I know the feels. And everytime the phone rings I am like "not now dammit" | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7090 Posts
Serral 3-1 DarkScarlett 3-0 DnSNeeb 3-2 MaruINnoVation 3-1 LamboGO NEEBLET! RED FIRETRUCK FTW | ||
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Kimb3r
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Geo.Rion
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Scarlet 3-1 DNS Neeb 1-3 Maru Innovation 3-0 Lambo | ||
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sudete
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Tsubbi
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xongnox
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So Neeb totally can win, i would way 50/50 chance. | ||
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AzAlexZ
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:11 xongnox wrote: Maru seems kinda lost in TvP, Neeb is in good form, and TvP is... let's say hard. So Neeb totally can win, i would way 50/50 chance. You're in SC2 section, 40-40 | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Can someone explain 40-40 instead of 50-50 to me please? | ||
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Durnuu
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On March 14 2019 18:14 AzAlexZ wrote: Can someone explain 40-40 instead of 50-50 to me please? | ||
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
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Pandemona
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:14 AzAlexZ wrote: Can someone explain 40-40 instead of 50-50 to me please? There's this beautiful guy Golden and Day9's laugh. When Golden was asked for his chances he understood it as what's the score of your training games or something similar and answered almost 40-40 Edit> I put the video in spoiler as it's alraedy here + Show Spoiler + | ||
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pvsnp
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Durnuu
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On March 14 2019 18:16 HolydaKing wrote: Serral didn't drone closely enough in the early game and remained behind in that regard for the whole game, which essentially killed him. He droned fine, he just lost like 15 if not more to Dark's ling/bane. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Thank you, that was helpful | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 14 2019 18:16 HolydaKing wrote: Serral didn't drone closely enough in the early game and remained behind in that regard for the whole game, which essentially killed him. Yes, but let's not totally forget that Dark took a gamble, going blindly for double expand before pool.... Which sure, if works give you an eco advantage. Not to take anything away from him, it's a calculated risk, and it's not auto-win even if you get away with it, but yeah... I wouldnt read that much into this one game, let s see the rest | ||
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Tsubbi
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Kimb3r
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:01 Fango wrote: He played pretty damn greedy against Maru at IEM still. Game 1 he went up to three bases of three gateways while getting blink, and game 2 he even took a fourth base while Maru was doing two base allin aggression. well, neeb lost game 1 lol and in game 2, maru got played pretty hard by neeb maru only pushed with 1 tank thinking neeb was going for chargelots, and decided to split his all in by sending a drop to the main. neeb anticipated the drop and had a colossus army waiting for the drop. neeb lost almost nothing | ||
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rotta
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Fango
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On March 14 2019 18:19 BerserkSword wrote: well, neeb lost game 1 lol and in game 2, maru got played pretty hard by neeb maru only pushed with 1 tank thinking neeb was going for chargelots, and decided to split his all in by sending a drop to the main. neeb anticipated the drop and had a colossus army waiting for the drop. neeb lost almost nothing And that changes the point how? The point being that Neeb still played greedy. | ||
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sudete
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:22 BerserkSword wrote: serral is pissed lmao I remember that match in 2015 MC vs Stardust in WCS EU S1. Stardust won the first game, he danced his stalkers then MC 'was pissed' and he just 3-0's Stardust after losing the first game. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 14 2019 18:22 Durnuu wrote: Fun fact: Dark lost this game because of the destructible debris on his ramp. huh? | ||
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pvsnp
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:23 Fango wrote: And that changes the point how? The point being that Neeb still played greedy. completely neutralizing an all-in and expanding is not playing greedy it's playing smart | ||
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SamuelGreen
Sweden292 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:22 Durnuu wrote: Fun fact: Dark lost this game because of the destructible debris on his ramp. Explain xD | ||
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Durnuu
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They prevented him from walling behind the roach warren that died. I'll post a screenshot soon | ||
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BerserkSword
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dude is from finland | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:24 BerserkSword wrote: completely neutralizing an all-in and expanding is not playing greedy it's playing smart Taking a fourth while holding an allin is pretty fucking greedy. Just because he won doesn't mean he didn't play greedy. | ||
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Tsubbi
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sudete
Singapore3054 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:27 BerserkSword wrote: why are people in this twitch chat cheering for USA and serral dude is from finland Huh, next thing you know people will be saying Stephano and Polt are from USA | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:27 BerserkSword wrote: why are people in this twitch chat cheering for USA and serral dude is from finland I'd imagine this is in reference to an old meme about Stephano and Polt. Long before the days of Neeb and actually having a player that was remotely top-tier, we just made good players honorary citizens >_> | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:27 BerserkSword wrote: why are people in this twitch chat cheering for USA and serral dude is from finland its a meme, anyone that isnt from Korea earns a "USA USA USA" chant | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:27 Fango wrote: Taking a fourth while holding an allin is pretty fucking greedy. Just because he won doesn't mean he didn't play greedy. Neeb is a macro player and Maru is a micro player, and it's PvT it's not greedy at all imo i used to main protoss and i definitely wouldve done the same since at that point protoss army is still garbage at breaking terran | ||
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BerserkSword
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On March 14 2019 18:29 Zambrah wrote: its a meme, anyone that isnt from Korea earns a "USA USA USA" chant oh lol ive always watched streams on teamliquid, not twitch but the stream isnt loading on TL so im forced onto twitch | ||
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sudete
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Beating an all in and then getting super greedy is risky if you arent going to be able to handle a follow up appropriately | ||
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Durnuu
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/VaUNuHi.jpg) If Dark had been able to put an evo where the red square is (prevented by the debris), it's a full wall until Serral kills said evo, which he couldn't have done because he didn't have any banes left (and the evo chamber at the very bottom didn't die, and I believe (not sure) Dark would get another wall if an evo were placed in the blue square). It wasn't a guaranteed hold (because Dark lost the roach warren), but Serral wouldn't have gotten in that early which obviously gives Dark a better chance to hold. | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:31 Zambrah wrote: To be fair, Maru did lose to Leenock in IEM because he beat Leenock's all in, expanded greedily, and then died to Leenock's desperation all in. Beating an all in and then getting super greedy is risky if you aren't going to be able to handle a follow up appropriately Yeah happens to all of us. Stretching a lead by being unnecessarily greedy when all you need to do is play safe and losing the game is just unfortunate | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
DAYUM | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:00 AzAlexZ wrote: My New Predictions for the Quarterfinals, since Ptitdrogo was eliminated: Serral 3-2 DarkScarlett 3-1 DnSNeeb 3-2 MaruINnoVation 3-2 LamboThought long and hard about Serral vs Dark, and I think 3-1 is just not gonna happen. I think it's gonna be super nail-biting, same as Neeb vs Maru, good day for SC2 *fingers crossed* Serral 3-1 DarkOkay done | ||
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sudete
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HolydaKing
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On March 14 2019 18:39 sudete wrote: considering the upgrade disparity with +2 and tunneling claws, dark's effort is respectable it looked closer than it was near the end, serral threw away roaches to cripple dark and it worked quite well. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
Well, clearly Dark is a level below Serral and cant keep up with the multitasking | ||
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:37 AzAlexZ wrote: wow, maybe I should change my prediction of Serral vs Dark to Serral winning 3-1 instead of 3-2. It's not a prediction then lol. | ||
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SamuelGreen
Sweden292 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:32 Durnuu wrote: + Show Spoiler + If Dark had been able to put an evo where the red square is (prevented by the debris), it's a full wall until Serral kills said evo, which he couldn't have done because he didn't have any banes left (and the evo chamber at the very bottom didn't die, and I believe (not sure) Dark would get another wall if an evo were placed in the blue square). It wasn't a guaranteed hold (because Dark lost the roach warren), but Serral wouldn't have gotten in that early which obviously gives Dark a better chance to hold. Interesting, it would probably had a better chance of making the game more even! Most people kill it when they had the chance and I guess Dark will start doing that now! | ||
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NExt
Australia1651 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:40 MarianoSC2 wrote: I dont understand why Koreans never learn... Serral is always doing this its his signature play to send burrowed roaches left and right. Just get spores in the pathways for fuck sake and split your army better and you are fine. Well, clearly Dark is a level below Serral and cant keep up with the multitasking I mean.. you're basically saying just play better. It's generally easier to be the roach burrow harraser than defender. Dark was extremely behind regardless, the harassment just felt like icing on the win. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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Yeah, this does look good for Dark | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:31 Zambrah wrote: To be fair, Maru did lose to Leenock in IEM because he beat Leenock's all in, expanded greedily, and then died to Leenock's desperation all in. Beating an all in and then getting super greedy is risky if you arent going to be able to handle a follow up appropriately that's TvZ, not PvT, and the scenarios were different too. Neeb did delay Maru's 2nd Maru played extremely greedily, Neeb didnt (in game 2) | ||
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Pandemona
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D-light
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On March 14 2019 18:54 Heartland wrote: 1st price is 150 000 dollars? Yes. | ||
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Kommander
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Heartland
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Wow | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:54 Pandemona wrote: Dark just cannot win vs Serral xD At this moment it appears as a mental block more than anything else. It's coming close to soO v 1st place | ||
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Ej_
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On March 14 2019 18:51 MarianoSC2 wrote: Lol Dark. Still terrible in ZvZ :D I wouldn't call it terrible, but I guess being top 4 in the world at a matchup doesn't do it for MarianoSC2, the renowned sc2 analyst and zerg vs zerg mirror expert | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
A cool 62.5% of the prize pool. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:54 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Damn, even when Serral is probably still sick, Dark can't get more than 1 game And he has both hands broken right? Played with his feet and still won. Impressive | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:55 Poopi wrote: I have a feeling Neeb will rob us of Serral vs Maru finals Maru wouldn't beat INno anyway. Final will be Serral vs Neeb or INno | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 14 2019 18:32 Durnuu wrote: + Show Spoiler + If Dark had been able to put an evo where the red square is (prevented by the debris), it's a full wall until Serral kills said evo, which he couldn't have done because he didn't have any banes left (and the evo chamber at the very bottom didn't die, and I believe (not sure) Dark would get another wall if an evo were placed in the blue square). It wasn't a guaranteed hold (because Dark lost the roach warren), but Serral wouldn't have gotten in that early which obviously gives Dark a better chance to hold. What a way to lose... All that senseless debris killing redeemed | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Long as Maru doesn't crap the bed, and Scarlett isn't in god-mode to take out Serral we're good | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16044 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:56 MarianoSC2 wrote: And he has both hands broken right? Played with his feet and still won. Impressive I heard his keyboard was broken and he played mouse-only | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:55 Poopi wrote: I have a feeling Neeb will rob us of Serral vs Maru finals yes he will instead bless us with the Neeb vs Serral Finals that we were robbed of the entirety of last year in WCS, and we will be shown who is the current best foreigner. | ||
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OhThatDang
United States4685 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:55 Poopi wrote: I have a feeling Neeb will rob us of Serral vs Maru finals Nah Scarlett > DNS then Scarlett > Serral | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:55 Poopi wrote: I have a feeling Neeb will rob us of Serral vs Maru finals Depends, if Maru kicks in with his Code S play off standard, Neeb doesn't stand a chance. If not, Maru is so shaky it can be 3:0 for Neeb at this state of the game. | ||
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sneakyfox
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On March 14 2019 18:57 Charoisaur wrote: I heard his keyboard was broken and he played mouse-only Yeah, but he borrowed one at played with two mice so it's good | ||
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Fango
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On March 14 2019 18:58 HolydaKing wrote: I think Scarlett is more scary for Serral than Dark. Their (last?) series was a damn close 3-2 for Serral, but we'll see. Scarlett's style always works well against Serral but she usually chokes against him | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:56 Terra1 wrote: Has Dark defeated Serral in his prime? Dark can beat other foreigners but just not Serral. Damn! He has not. Dark's crazy record against foreigners in LotV now at only 5 losses. 3 to Serral | ||
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D-light
Finland7364 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:54 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Damn, even when Serral is probably still sick, Dark can't get more than 1 game I mean he's probably gotten over it in a week. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:58 BerserkSword wrote: im rooting for the American of course, but i dont think Neeb is beating Maru lol He did at IEM. Maru is shakier than before, it can happen. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:55 Ej_ wrote: I wouldn't call it terrible, but I guess being top 4 in the world at a matchup doesn't do it for MarianoSC2, the renowned sc2 analyst and zerg vs zerg mirror expert He might be top 4 (4th, and I am really not sure about that, wouldnt bet on him even against guys like Reynor or Lambo), but there is such a huge skill difference between 3rd and 4th that yes, it does not do it for me. He is just bad, slow, and cant multitask in the matchup. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 14 2019 18:57 Charoisaur wrote: I heard his keyboard was broken and he played mouse-only Dont you get bored with this? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Well if Serral fanboys are not bored why should we get bored? C'mon, check the replies they generated. | ||
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:57 deacon.frost wrote: Depends, if Maru kicks in with his Code S play off standard, Neeb doesn't stand a chance. If not, Maru is so shaky it can be 3:0 for Neeb at this state of the game. Seeing MarineLord replies on various threads I don't think Maru stands much of a chance but hopefully he wins Maru vs Serral bo7 for the WESG2017 revenge at WESG2018 would be epic | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:59 deacon.frost wrote: He did at IEM. Maru is shakier than before, it can happen. Didn't Maru 3-0 Elazer yesterday? I know it's a different matchup but how is sweeping Elazer showing shaky performance? Unless Elazer just straight up played garbage | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7090 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:49 Geo.Rion wrote: Muta switch coming again, doesnt look like Serral caught it Yeah, this does look good for Dark Say what? | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:59 deacon.frost wrote: He did at IEM. Maru is shakier than before, it can happen. i know he did. but neeb is a feast or famine player. he cant do what he did against reynor | ||
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HolydaKing
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I gotta say, Mutas barely ever do enough damage against Serral. It feels like he wins almost all matches where his opponents go for them. I'd say he's the weakest at ling baneling wars, he tends to make mistakes here which is only natural. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 14 2019 19:01 AzAlexZ wrote: Didn't Maru 3-0 Elazer yesterday? I know it's a different matchup but how is sweeping Elazer showing shaky performance? Unless Elazer just straight up played garbage I don't think he looked like the Maru of old against Elazer. He won but not as convincingly as last year's WeSG for example. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:59 MarianoSC2 wrote: He might be top 4 (4th, and I am really not sure about that, wouldnt bet on him even against guys like Reynor or Lambo), but there is such a huge skill difference between 3rd and 4th that yes, it does not do it for me. He is just bad, slow, and cant multitask in the matchup. I can't see where you've gotten this opinion from, Dark has historically had amazing ZvZ , it is worldclass. There is not a "huge" skill difference between 4th and 3th best ZvZ player in the world. Either way, you're saying 4th best is vastly inferior to 3th best but that Dark as 4th best is "barely" (?) favored against 15th (or similar) best in the world Lambo? | ||
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Durnuu
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On March 14 2019 19:06 Fango wrote: I don't think he looked like the Maru of old against Elazer. He won but not as convincingly as last year's WeSG for example. He's looking like the Maru of old, just the 2016 one | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 14 2019 19:01 AzAlexZ wrote: Didn't Maru 3-0 Elazer yesterday? I know it's a different matchup but how is sweeping Elazer showing shaky performance? Unless Elazer just straight up played garbage Different player level(Neeb is better), different MU and different day. All in all until we see what kind of Maru is there we can't say anything for sure. | ||
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HolydaKing
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On March 14 2019 19:07 IshinShishi wrote: seems like serral never lost an engagement, probably has much superior ravager control Against Dark he had the upgrade advantage in basically every game which helped too. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:55 Ej_ wrote: I wouldn't call it terrible, but I guess being top 4 in the world at a matchup doesn't do it for MarianoSC2, the renowned sc2 analyst and zerg vs zerg mirror expert Welcome back Ej! Yea, Dark's ZvZ is embarassing, he's worse than Serral, soO and Rogue at the matchup... Serral was sick one week ago, we don't know if he still is; his form is decent for his standard, game 2 was very good. Still this was probably the best chanche for Dark to beat him but apparently Serral's multitasking is hard for him to face. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On March 14 2019 19:08 Durnuu wrote: He's looking like the Maru of old, just the 2016 one To be fair Maru was good in 2016, that was just a shit year for most because of the limited opportunities. Late 2017 Maru was weak though. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
If they pay out xD | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 14 2019 19:10 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: To be fair Maru was good in 2016, that was just a shit year for most because of the limited opportunities. Late 2017 Maru was weak though. He wasn't that bad in late 2017 just inconsistant. At IEM shanghai he looked like one of the best players in the world for the first half of his group (smashing ByuN and going even with INno in TvT) then he just didn't. And in GSL he looked sick against Solar but both him and Solar lost their matches against much lesser players. | ||
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stilt
France2754 Posts
On March 14 2019 19:01 AzAlexZ wrote: Didn't Maru 3-0 Elazer yesterday? I know it's a different matchup but how is sweeping Elazer showing shaky performance? Unless Elazer just straight up played garbage Against protoss, he seems shaky, way more than against zerg at least. His embarassing losses came from pvt lately. (And his tvt made him not invulnerable but that's nothing new) | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 14 2019 19:07 Shuffleblade wrote: I can't see where you've gotten this opinion from, Dark has historically had amazing ZvZ , it is worldclass. There is not a "huge" skill difference between 4th and 3th best ZvZ player in the world. Either way, you're saying 4th best is vastly inferior to 3th best but that Dark as 4th best is "barely" (?) favored against 15th (or similar) best in the world Lambo? I dont really care if he is the 4th best or 10th best. (it was EJ who said he was 4th I just said he might be). Anyway there are 3 players who are clearly miles above everyone else. Compared to them, the rest look bad. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
I'd give the advantage to Maru but it's up to which version of himself is going to show up today; he was sharp yesterday against a quite bad Elazer but Maru has been very mortal lately. Scarlett is doing very well at the moment; looking at her last encounter against soO, however, I wouldn't say she should be scarier than Dark for Serral. | ||
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Need
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![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/nsFeH8n.png) Korean fetishists once again in disbelief. | ||
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Norway42 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 14 2019 19:26 Need wrote: Korean fetishists once again in disbelief. So much they predicted Serral to win, oh, noez, i'm breaking your world now... | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
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On March 14 2019 19:25 Heartland wrote: Scarlett looks so evil Evil and hot. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7090 Posts
On March 14 2019 18:03 Harris1st wrote: Serral 3-1 DarkScarlett 3-0 DnSNeeb 3-2 MaruINnoVation 3-1 LamboSo far, so predictable | ||
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On March 14 2019 19:05 HolydaKing wrote: I gotta say, Mutas barely ever do enough damage against Serral. It feels like he wins almost all matches where his opponents go for them. I'd say he's the weakest at ling baneling wars, he tends to make mistakes here which is only natural. Watch wcs montreal 2018 | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
On March 14 2019 19:48 SharkStarcraft wrote: So DnS got 5k for beating a bunch of nobodies? then bombed out against the first decent opponent, as always I wouldn't call SortOf a nobody... | ||
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sneakyfox
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Worst. Production. Ever. PS. Maru v Neeb hype! | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On March 14 2019 19:48 SharkStarcraft wrote: So DnS got 5k for beating a bunch of nobodies? then bombed out against the first decent opponent, as always Neeb got 10k winning the US qualifier | ||
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Durnuu
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On March 14 2019 19:59 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: If there's any justice Maru won't die to another Protoss before hitting Serral... He'll die to a terran instead | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 14 2019 19:59 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: If there's any justice Maru won't die to another Protoss before hitting Serral... Even if he doesn't he'll die to a terran in the ro4 | ||
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William paradise
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On March 14 2019 19:59 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: If there's any justice Maru won't die to another Protoss before hitting Serral... your forgetting Scarlett | ||
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Geo.Rion
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The mutas werent the problem, they did well in g1, and as well as in other games that Serral lost in the past for example at IEM. The mapwin of Solar vs Serral came off the back of mutas iirc. Here in G4 vs Dark the mutas were fine, Dark stabilized after some early disadvantage and went for Mutas, he forced some spores, and a hydra swtich. His gameplan was to finish Serral as he s adding hydras and spending gas on hdyra upgrades, and morphed like 40 banelings. The plan was good, could have won, but he miss-controled those banes / Serral controlled his army better, and the banelings didnt do enough, they mostly splashed agaisnt the queens and not the Hydras. And from there he was dead | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 14 2019 20:01 Fango wrote: Lol Rotti having to use INnoVation beating Rail as an example that you can beat protoss as terran a win is a win lol | ||
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Durnuu
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On March 14 2019 20:17 Pandemona wrote: Is that collosus stuck or just not being used? xd It's just Neeb being a foreigner | ||
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AzAlexZ
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Geo.Rion
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On March 14 2019 20:18 AzAlexZ wrote: dat colossus might cost Neeb the game lol at least he will have proof he s not using the select all army hotkey | ||
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SHODAN
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deacon.frost
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On March 14 2019 20:21 Jerom wrote: Lategame TvP in a nutshell. What happened? | ||
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Doko
Argentina1737 Posts
On March 14 2019 20:22 Pandemona wrote: Maru slacking on upgrades here ebay with +3 and armory with +2 ship weapons got killed during neeb's harrasment | ||
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AzAlexZ
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On March 14 2019 20:26 Muffloe wrote: Wasn't that hella expensive for 1 command c Have you seen Neeb's Bank? he denied so much mining from Maru so he is actually ahead from that play | ||
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Muffloe
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Well thats's a good way to equalize it x-D | ||
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On March 14 2019 20:26 Muffloe wrote: Wasn't that hella expensive for 1 command c maru is forever stuck on his side of the map, even if he wins a fight there are probably like 20 gateways by now. also maru needs to repair his air or is gonna melt to a storm | ||
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HolydaKing
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edit: oh right, i think only terran hears the sound. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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Maru came a long way from losing to Meowmaika | ||
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Terra1
Philippines312 Posts
On March 14 2019 20:37 Pandemona wrote: Did Neeb just lose? that was his only mining base and 90% of his probes? Yep. He starved Neeb and Maru's controls are on-point. | ||
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royalroadweed
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
Protoss units neutered to the ground, and protoss is punished too hard if AOE whiffs | ||
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Geo.Rion
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On March 14 2019 20:39 Durnuu wrote: Neeb now on T I L T I see what you re doing, you re trying to reverse-jinx him, as with the Reynor series | ||
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Jerom
Netherlands588 Posts
On March 14 2019 20:40 BerserkSword wrote: yea this is why i switched to Terran Protoss units neutered to the ground, and protoss is punished too hard if AOE whiffs Seriously, neeb played much and much worse and made many mistakes. He whiffed so many storms, he even spend 13 DTs to kill one base and he was trading poorly with all the zealot runbys. If maru fails to dodge even one storm its over. | ||
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Durnuu
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On March 14 2019 20:43 Pandemona wrote: With how Neeb has been opening and with Maru being Maru i am surprised he did not try a proxy to close this series out. Would have worked as well as Neeb again is opening Nexus first. You were saying? | ||
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Charoisaur
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Durnuu
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On March 14 2019 20:45 Charoisaur wrote: where was this Maru at IEM? He obviously didn't care about IEM | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
It was just a group stage, he was saving the builds for play offs forgetting he needs to get to the play offs first | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16044 Posts
On March 14 2019 20:48 Pandemona wrote: So his TvZ he did well vs Elazer, his TvP he did very very well vs in an inform Neeb. Can he improve his TvT from his poor showing vs Bunny when he takes on INnoVation tomorrow for a place in the final vs Serral? I don't think we can just assume Serral is gonna beat Scarlett | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
On March 14 2019 20:42 Fango wrote: Yeah no other terran has control and movement like that in the lategame. Constantly managing/repositioning liberators, ghost control, ravens, bio kiting and splitting against storm/disruptors, vikings dodging every storm while being able to fly around and pick of units, knowing exactly when to move in and seige or rereat. TY and INno can't do that. SpeCial, Bunny, Gumiho would stand no chace. Maybe inno? His lategame control vs serral was stellar other than getting hit by parasitic bomb once. And imo late game TvZ to even be more difficult for terran to control than TvP. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On March 14 2019 20:49 Charoisaur wrote: I don't think we can just assume Serral is gonna beat Scarlett Isn't Scarlett's record vs Serral worst than Dark's though? xD | ||
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
On March 14 2019 20:49 Za7oX wrote: It's going to be a TvZ finals of foreigner vs Koreans between either Serral/Scarlett vs Maru/Innovation. Any is a dream finals... Lambo looked on point vs PtitDrogo so not a sure thing... however INno beat Serral in a relatively meaningless series for Serral I'd say INno beats Lambo 80-20 Scarlett finally beating Serral would be awesome but I don't wanna watch her get destroyed by Maru/INno :x I'd rather watch Serral play the korean overlords | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 14 2019 20:47 Poopi wrote: Maru still the best player in the world in 2019 I guess. What a godlike player You mean "Maru might be back to being the best player in 2019", right? We will find out in a couple of days, asian soil surely is a bliss for him; still, you are forgetting someone else... Neeb was surely outclassed and went half-foreigner. | ||
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Nakajin
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On March 14 2019 20:49 Charoisaur wrote: I don't think we can just assume Serral is gonna beat Scarlett If Scarlett win this tournament I might reflect with nostalgia on Serral and Maru fans as the Scarlett fan flood every single thread ever posted on TL. Still it would be pretty neat to see Scarlett win again, plus she has a good chinese fanbase I think | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 14 2019 20:49 royalroadweed wrote: Maybe inno? His lategame control vs serral was stellar other than getting hit by parasitic bomb once. And imo late game TvZ to even be more difficult for terran to control than TvP. I don't think so. INno's lategame TvP is not anywhere close to that and hasn't been for a while. He lost to Rail in a lategame on that same map earlier today. He is good in lategame TvZ however. I do think turtling with mass ghosts/nukes is easier than all the stuff Maru did. Especially when Serral played so passive in that series. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On March 14 2019 20:49 Pandemona wrote: Isn't Scarlett's record vs Serral worst than Dark's though? xD their last 3 series were all 3-2. 2 times in Serral's favor and 1 time in Scarlett's favor. | ||
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On March 14 2019 20:54 Charoisaur wrote: their last 3 series were all 3-2. 2 times in Serral's favor and 1 time in Scarlett's favor. Oh guess i miss read that one then. | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
Awesome, a Serral vs Maru finals would the dream, only Maru could stop Serral last year and maybe only Maru can stop Serral this year? Getting the chills, people say Serral wasn't at his peak for last years WESG but he was actually 16-0 in maps until he faced Maru (only vs foreigners but still). | ||
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Fango
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On March 14 2019 20:49 Pandemona wrote: Isn't Scarlett's record vs Serral worst than Dark's though? xD Last year they went 7-7 in maps and 1-2 in series (all offline in big events). Scarlett generaly does really well against Serral, the two series she did lose were throws imo On March 14 2019 20:54 Charoisaur wrote: their last 3 series were all 3-2. 2 times in Serral's favor and 1 time in Scarlett's favor. Scarlett won 3-1 at IEM but otherwise yh | ||
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
On March 14 2019 20:52 Xain0n wrote: You mean "Maru might be back to being the best player in 2019", right? We will find out in a couple of days, asian soil surely is a bliss for him; still, you are forgetting someone else... Neeb was surely outclassed and went half-foreigner. No I mean just what I wrote | ||
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Charoisaur
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you're right, my bad | ||
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Nakajin
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Beating SpeCial, Elazer and Neeb make you the best player in the world, really? | ||
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On March 14 2019 20:49 Pandemona wrote: Isn't Scarlett's record vs Serral worst than Dark's though? xD Maybe she goes for 2018. Wins a great tournament at the start of the year, then fades away. | ||
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Xain0n
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Maru on the other hand is looking super scary at the moment; Inno might beat him in a bo5, I am very worried tho as Serral would need his BlizzCon form to beat the best Maru. | ||
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William paradise
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On March 14 2019 20:52 Nakajin wrote: If Scarlett win this tournament I might reflect with nostalgia on Serral and Maru fans as the Scarlett fan flood every single thread ever posted on TL. Still it would be pretty neat to see Scarlett win again, plus she has a good chinese fanbase I think Lol you got that right there won't be thread i don't post in if Scarlett wins. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
Then there is something wrong, "still" implies that he has been the best all this time and clearly this wasn't the case. | ||
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
On March 14 2019 20:57 Nakajin wrote: Beating Elazer and Neeb make you the best player in the world, really? He beat Neeb very convincingly showing superb control, and yeah in the current sotg it's a very good performance from Maru. Neeb is a ro4 GSL level player that got out 1st in the group of death of this WESG (beating Serral the best player of the end of last year) So yeah casually 3-0ing him while being Maru means Maru is back in his best player in the world form imho | ||
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Xain0n
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On March 14 2019 21:00 William paradise wrote: Lol you got that right there won't be thread i don't post in if Scarlett wins. It's not like you don't post anywhere when she loses, either. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7090 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 14 2019 21:01 Poopi wrote: He beat Neeb very convincingly showing superb control, and yeah in the current sotg it's a very good performance from Maru. Neeb is a ro4 GSL level player that got out 1st in the group of death of this WESG (beating Serral the best player of the end of last year) So yeah casually 3-0ing him while being Maru means Maru is back in his best player in the world form imho Until the next group stage | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 14 2019 20:57 Nakajin wrote: Beating Elazer and Neeb make you the best player in the world, really? Whatever for Elazer but Neeb is hands down one of the best players in the world. His PvZ and PvT are superb. He made GSL ro4 last season and did pretty sick at both Katowice and here. He might not be winning tournaments but his losses are almost always to only the very best. TY in GSL, Maru at blizzcon/today, and Stats at katowice. | ||
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Doko
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 14 2019 21:08 Doko wrote: I can't complain too much because i got see maru lategame TvP in year zero but I would've loved to see a couple of thors mixed in, wonder if he would've if the upgrades didn't get delayed so much by neeb killing his armory with that prism. Also neeb might need to visit a professional about his depo killing OCD. you dont need thors skyterran + ghost shits on the new garbage ass late game protoss (low health, speed nerfed tempest, neutered carriers) | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16044 Posts
On March 14 2019 21:11 BerserkSword wrote: you dont need thors skyterran + ghost shits on the new garbage ass late game protoss (low health, speed nerfed tempest, neutered carriers) this is the most ridicolous TL post I've seen in a while | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 14 2019 21:04 Fango wrote: Whatever for Elazer but Neeb is hands down one of the best players in the world. His PvZ and PvT are superb. He made GSL ro4 last season and did pretty sick at both Katowice and here. He might not be winning tournaments but his losses are almost always to only the very best. TY in GSL, Maru at blizzcon/today, and Stats at katowice. Neeb's PvZ is one of the best indeed(if not the best), his PvT isn't that good; he took out a weakened form of Maru at IEM, when was the last time he defeated a strong korean Terran, before? He dropped one game to Masa in WESG. | ||
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Harris1st
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Xain0n
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On March 14 2019 21:05 White__Hart wrote: Maru v Serral would be hype as fuck but Maru would win convincingly imo, his TvZ is just too powerful. His TvT looked weak in the GSL Ro16, but in the other match ups he's just beastly. Lost against Leenock and Meomaika in TvZ recently, even if he wasn't looking as good as he is now; Elazer was greedy and subpar yesterday. The problem here is Serral's form, he seems to be recovering but I am not sure if he would be ready. | ||
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Fanatic-Templar
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On March 14 2019 21:16 Xain0n wrote: The problem here is Serral's form, he seems to be recovering but I am not sure if he would be ready. What happened in this tournament for Serral's form to be more questionable than Maru's? | ||
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On March 14 2019 21:19 Fanatic-Templar wrote: What happened in this tournament for Serral's form to be more questionable than Maru's? Just Serral's level of play. Losing to Neeb is acceptable and he looked good enough today against Dark; however, Maru seemed close to his best against Neeb today while I don't see Serral as godlike as he was in 2018 and he would definifely need his best shape to face that beast. | ||
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DBooN
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On March 14 2019 21:29 Akio wrote: INno shaking his head and smirking, what is this emotion from the man? The Inno robot thing is kind of a dumb meme tbh, he does stuff like that all the time. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 14 2019 21:29 Harris1st wrote: Why all the engagements into PF's? Lambo had this! Yea not sure why everyone is not even trying to close the game before it gets to the later stages; Lambo should know Inno is especially deadly there. | ||
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Durnuu
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On March 14 2019 21:31 DBooN wrote: The Inno robot thing is kind of a dumb meme tbh, he does stuff like that all the time. FACELESS KOREANS | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
On March 14 2019 21:31 DBooN wrote: The Inno robot thing is kind of a dumb meme tbh, he does stuff like that all the time. Yeah that's true to be honest, it's just funny to see | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16044 Posts
On March 14 2019 21:31 Xain0n wrote: Yea not sure why everyone is not even trying to close the game before it gets to the later stages; Lambo should know Inno is especially deadly there. Because attacking into a terran is usually a very bad idea and going lategame is a very good idea against everyone except Maru and Innovation. If you're actually playing Maru or Innovation and are the worse player your chances of winning are very slim regardless if you play agressive or passive. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On March 14 2019 21:31 DBooN wrote: The Inno robot thing is kind of a dumb meme tbh, he does stuff like that all the time. He's also a big memer, his Olimoleague series against soO are pretty much non stop in game chat jokes. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 14 2019 21:34 Charoisaur wrote: Because attacking into a terran is usually a very bad idea and going lategame is a very good idea against everyone except Maru and Innovation. If you're actually playing Maru or Innovation and are the worse player your chances of winning are very slim regardless if you play agressive or passive. Lambo had a good advantage, he had to try to break hom before lategame because he knows he won't be able to win afterwards. With nydus and the various pushes at the moment attacking into Terran seems pretty viable. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On March 14 2019 21:39 Xain0n wrote: Lambo had a good advantage, he had to try to break hom before lategame because he knows he won't be able to win afterwards. With nydus and the various pushes at the moment attacking into Terran seems pretty viable. off-creep into tanks? I don't think it would work | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 14 2019 21:34 Charoisaur wrote: Because attacking into a terran is usually a very bad idea and going lategame is a very good idea against everyone except Maru and Innovation. If you're actually playing Maru or Innovation and are the worse player your chances of winning are very slim regardless if you play agressive or passive. He did have an advantage in the midgame though. He would have had a better chance if he pushed it then. Going into the lategame against INno like he did was handing over the advantage. | ||
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Harris1st
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Now stop building drones and survive! | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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Charoisaur
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On March 14 2019 21:44 travis wrote: ....??? why wouldn't lambo build any units? what the hell dude, LOL not expecting Inno to move across the map with no stim or medivacs | ||
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Boggyb
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Did Lambo somehow think that Inno had no units and thus he could play super greedy? | ||
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On March 14 2019 21:47 Need wrote: Scarlett could make it to the finals without having to fight any korean We need that Scarlett-Maru final with nothing but mass proxy rax. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On March 14 2019 21:47 Need wrote: Scarlett could make it to the finals without having to fight any korean oops nm i thought it was only 2-0 vs lambo what i said was that she could still win the tourney without having to fight a korean player hmm i must have missed one of inno's wins | ||
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Creager
Germany1923 Posts
On March 14 2019 21:51 Boggyb wrote: I'd love to see an archon best of series between the two sides of the bracket. No thanks, Archon is just bs. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 14 2019 21:45 Poopi wrote: Always a pleasure seeing foreigners getting 3-0ed again and again Such a disappointing comment, really. You deserve hordes of brainless fanboys spamming "Serral Bonjwa" or "Scarlett is the best" everywhere. Why would you love to see foreigners getting 3-0d? I can say it's a pleasure to see Maru playing lategame TvP so flawlessly and that it feels right to see Inno advance over Lambo because he is the superior player, not because Lambo is german. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
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On March 14 2019 22:02 TentativePanda wrote: We have to wait a whole day for the next round Gives us more time to accumulate the appropriate amount of hype for Maru vs Serral! | ||
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Poopi
France12909 Posts
On March 14 2019 22:00 Xain0n wrote: Such a disappointing comment, really. You deserve hordes of brainless fanboys spamming "Serral Bonjwa" or "Scarlett is the best" everywhere. Why would you love to see foreigners getting 3-0d? I can say it's a pleasure to see Maru playing lategame TvP so flawlessly and that it feels right to see Inno advance over Lambo because he is the superior player, not because Lambo is german. Because I like to see Maru and INno dominate. And it reminds us how much of an outlier Serral is for going toe-to-toe with the best koreans players seeing how much his peers struggle against them | ||
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Mike L
Germany162 Posts
On March 14 2019 21:47 Akio wrote: Something can still happen to deprive us of the Maru vs Serral finals Scarlett can happen... | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close. | ||
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William paradise
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On March 14 2019 22:05 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Gives us more time to accumulate the appropriate amount of hype for Maru vs Serral! Think you mean Scarlett vs maru | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 14 2019 22:08 Poopi wrote: Because I like to see Maru and INno dominate. And it reminds us how much of an outlier Serral is for going toe-to-toe with the best koreans players seeing how much his peers struggle against them Serral is not an outlier because he is capable of going toe to toe with the best koreans, that happened before in WoL with Stephano, Naniwa, Huk, ThorZain, Nerchio and the likes of them. Serral is THE outlier because he was actually capable of dominating the best koreans(see BlizzCon) and becoming the non korean best player in the world. Apart of that, Inno had probably the easiest path to the semifinals and he isn't exactly dominating atm; he's amazing but being so satisfied to see him beating Lambo's mighty ZvT seems excessive to me. On the other hand, I'd be as excited as you are seeing Maru in such shape, even if I wouldn't be drawing the same conclusion as you. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On March 14 2019 22:18 Xain0n wrote: Serral is not an outlier because he is capable of going toe to toe with the best koreans, that happened before in WoL with Stephano, Naniwa, Huk, ThorZain, Nerchio and the likes of them. Serral is THE outlier because he was actually capable of dominating the best koreans(see BlizzCon) and becoming the non korean best player in the world. Apart of that, Inno had probably the easiest path to the semifinals and he isn't exactly dominating atm; he's amazing but being so satisfied to see him beating Lambo's mighty ZvT seems excessive to me. On the other hand, I'd be as excited as you are seeing Maru in such shape, even if I wouldn't be drawing the same conclusion as you. I think Scarlett had it easier then INno but ya both had a pretty sweet bracket | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 14 2019 22:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close. Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance. I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral. | ||
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Harris1st
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Is the starting time for Saturday known? Can't miss this | ||
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Need
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On March 14 2019 22:08 Poopi wrote: Serral is for going toe-to-toe with the best koreans players I don't think 3-1, 3-0, and 3-1 counts as going toe-to-toe. or 2-0, 3-1, 2-1 vs rogue. This is not what toe-to-toe means. | ||
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MarianoSC2
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On March 14 2019 22:23 Xain0n wrote: Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance. I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral. Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb). Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 14 2019 23:56 MarianoSC2 wrote: Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb). Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better. I should rewatch the game to tell you if Neeb had income or workers advantage before dropping but surely he didn't have a noticeable bank and he was even or slightly behind in supply; instead, he was significantly ahead after the drop. The structural advantage Protoss have in TvP's mid game cannot justify that. Scarlett is playing very well recently, still not better than Serral; even without choking, would you rate her above Dark in ZvZ? I thought Serral was included in your top 3. | ||
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William paradise
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On March 15 2019 00:15 Xain0n wrote: Scarlett is alittle below Serral but i think if she can keep her calm in the match she has a decent chance yes Serral if betting as a better oods of winning but its not that big. I should rewatch the game to tell you if Neeb had income or workers advantage before dropping but surely he didn't have a noticeable bank and he was even or slightly behind in supply; instead, he was significantly ahead after the drop. The structural advantage Protoss have in TvP's mid game cannot justify that. Scarlett is playing very well recently, still not better than Serral; even without choking, would you rate her above Dark in ZvZ? I thought Serral was included in your top 3. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 14 2019 23:56 MarianoSC2 wrote: Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb). Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better. Innovation met Maru the last time in 2k17 which was the year Innovation ruled in. They didn't met from then, mostly because Innovation wasn't able to find his lost mojo, Maru was waiting for him at IEM, WESG and all 3 Code S finals | ||
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Geo.Rion
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Like non at all. Even when two players were fairly evenly matched, the one to whom i would have given the slight advantage won. This quarterfinals, the favorite won in each case. In the ro 16, all the favorites won, I guess some people might have said that Special is a favorite, but it was even money IMO. In the groupstage, all the results were pretty much as expected, like no big name was taken down. Sure, Serral, Maru and Reynor dropped a series that people might not have expected, but all of them made it through. I just cannot think of a tournament where no upsets happened, and this one looks like it so far. And since Maru and Innovation is arguably a fairly even match, the one remaining upset potential is pretty much Scarlett taking down Serral, and then the korean T. | ||
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France12909 Posts
On March 15 2019 00:34 Geo.Rion wrote: Am I alone in finding it weird that this tournament gave us literally no upsets? Like non at all. Even when two players were fairly evenly matched, the one to whom i would have given the slight advantage won. This quarterfinals, the favorite won in each case. In the ro 16, all the favorites won, I guess some people might have said that Special is a favorite, but it was even money IMO. In the groupstage, all the results were pretty much as expected, like no big name was taken down. Sure, Serral, Maru and Reynor dropped a series that people might not have expected, but all of them made it through. I just cannot think of a tournament where no upsets happened, and this one looks like it so far. And since Maru and Innovation is arguably a fairly even match, the one remaining upset potential is pretty much Scarlett taking down Serral, and then the korean T. Well MeomaikA beating Maru was an upset, and I guess PtitDrogo, Neeb and Mana being first of their groups were upsets. Oh and Seventy91 taking a game off of MacSed as well | ||
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Shuffleblade
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On March 15 2019 00:34 Geo.Rion wrote: Am I alone in finding it weird that this tournament gave us literally no upsets? Like non at all. Even when two players were fairly evenly matched, the one to whom i would have given the slight advantage won. This quarterfinals, the favorite won in each case. In the ro 16, all the favorites won, I guess some people might have said that Special is a favorite, but it was even money IMO. In the groupstage, all the results were pretty much as expected, like no big name was taken down. Sure, Serral, Maru and Reynor dropped a series that people might not have expected, but all of them made it through. I just cannot think of a tournament where no upsets happened, and this one looks like it so far. And since Maru and Innovation is arguably a fairly even match, the one remaining upset potential is pretty much Scarlett taking down Serral, and then the korean T. I think Rail advancing over Kelazhur and Time might be called an upset? Not really but still kinda? =P Otherwise yeah, you are right, tha tis curious! | ||
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William paradise
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On March 15 2019 01:38 Anc13nt wrote: If its Maru vs Serral, I predict Maru 4-2 Serral. If its Inno vs Serral I think it's dead even (4-3 either way). Edit: On a random note, does anyone notice that Neeb has really early gg timing? lol just not even count Scarlett going to laugh when its Scarlett in final | ||
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On March 13 2019 22:54 Poopi wrote: Predictions : PtitDrogo 2-3 LamboINnoVation 3-1 RailSerral 2-3 DarkDnS 1-3 ScarlettMaru 3-1 NeebINnoVation 3-1 LamboSo I was 5/6 in predictions today, 8 maps off map score wise. Yesterday 6/6 3 maps off so it's 11/12 with 11 maps off in total. Quite a "bad" playoff day 2 from me predictions wise but we get such a good ro4+3rd place match coming that I'm still very happy with how the day went. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 15 2019 00:15 Xain0n wrote: I should rewatch the game to tell you if Neeb had income or workers advantage before dropping but surely he didn't have a noticeable bank and he was even or slightly behind in supply; instead, he was significantly ahead after the drop. The structural advantage Protoss have in TvP's mid game cannot justify that. Scarlett is playing very well recently, still not better than Serral; even without choking, would you rate her above Dark in ZvZ? I thought Serral was included in your top 3. Scarlett has better ZvZ than Dark, but tends to choke a lot in clutch moments (which is kind of a game changer if someone wants to belong at the top isnt it?). So I dont know. She definitely plays the matchup better then Dark and understands it better... Serral is my top 1, then Rogue and soO. The rest are lacking far behind, but Scarlett is for sure the closest one to these 3 when she is in form. Just needs to overcome that mental block. | ||
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Nakajin
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On March 15 2019 02:53 MarianoSC2 wrote: Scarlett has better ZvZ than Dark, but tends to choke a lot in clutch moments (which is kind of a game changer if someone wants to belong at the top isnt it?). So I dont know. She definitely plays the matchup better then Dark and understands it better... Serral is my top 1, then Rogue and soO. The rest are lacking far behind, but Scarlett is for sure the closest one to these 3 when she is in form. Just needs to overcome that mental block. Hum dunno, Scarlett did not have any particularly good zvz results in a while. Basicly since october she only has notable win over Cham, True, AI, Bly and Ragnarok. With loss to soO, Impact, Ragnarok and True. She isn't particularly bad in the matchup but she didin't punch above her height in the matchup either, with the (notable) exception of that Serral series. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 15 2019 03:16 Nakajin wrote: Hum dunno, Scarlett did not have any particularly good zvz results in a while. Basicly since october she only has notable win over Cham, True, AI, Bly and Ragnarok. With loss to soO, Impact, Ragnarok and True. She isn't particularly bad in the matchup but she didin't punch above her height in the matchup either, with the (notable) exception of that Serral series. She didn't really do well after PyeonChang in 2018, not only in ZvZ. I still think Dark is better. | ||
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William paradise
1753 Posts
On March 15 2019 02:53 MarianoSC2 wrote: Scarlett has better ZvZ than Dark, but tends to choke a lot in clutch moments (which is kind of a game changer if someone wants to belong at the top isnt it?). So I dont know. She definitely plays the matchup better then Dark and understands it better... Serral is my top 1, then Rogue and soO. The rest are lacking far behind, but Scarlett is for sure the closest one to these 3 when she is in form. Just needs to overcome that mental block. that is why I give a good shot at the finals if you look how she is handling the times in between matches she looks to be trying to get back to a calm and more stable mindset for each match. compared to other events this one seems to be so far mental wise a huge step in the right direction | ||
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seemsgood
5527 Posts
but i am still going to whine regardless! WHY ???? the amount of skills mary put in in order to beat neeb's deathball army were otherworldly ridiculous ! Mssing EMP just 2 or 3 Hts would lead to a competely disaster for terran but for some fucking reasons mary still managed to win against the odds ! No one has ever done that in the history of Dota!(tobi wan-2012) ! i mean starcraft..... | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 15 2019 06:57 seemsgood wrote: holy shit game 2 maru vs neeb :O but i am still going to whine regardless! WHY ???? the amount of skills mary put in in order to beat neeb's deathball army were otherworldly ridiculous ! Mssing EMP just 2 or 3 Hts would lead to a competely disaster for terran but for some fucking reasons mary still managed to win against the odds ! No one has ever done that in the history of Dota!(tobi wan-2012) ! i mean starcraft..... HOLY MARY! You are going to whine regardless because you are a whiner, I guess "Mary" had to fight that hard because he started playing flawlessly once he was at a significant disadvantage due to Neeb's drop, not PvT balance; after that "Mary's" game was a true masterpiece, completely dismantling Neeb(who made too many errors, to say the truth). | ||
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terribleplayer1
95 Posts
On March 15 2019 00:34 Geo.Rion wrote: I just cannot think of a tournament where no upsets happened, and this one looks like it so far. And since Maru and Innovation is arguably a fairly even match, the one remaining upset potential is pretty much Scarlett taking down Serral, and then the korean T. Innovation bopped Maru in IEM qualifiers, I think he's the favourite for sure. | ||
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On March 15 2019 10:46 NinjaNight wrote: I'm scared that Serral will beat Scarlett and Maru will lose to Innovation so we won't have our Maru vs Serral. D: Honestly that's what I foresee happening. I think Serral will do dirty Zerg things and win in the early game if that is the case. No way he's waiting till late game after the bopping he received at IEM. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On March 15 2019 11:37 mierin wrote: Honestly that's what I foresee happening. I think Serral will do dirty Zerg things and win in the early game if that is the case. No way he's waiting till late game after the bopping he received at IEM. he was eliminated by soO... this is scarlet we are talking about | ||
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
On March 15 2019 12:40 BerserkSword wrote: he was eliminated by soO... this is scarlet we are talking about I think he means that Serral looked lost in lategame ZvT when he went down 0-2 to Innovation in the group stage at IEM, so if Serral meets Inno again in the final then he's probably going to look to end games faster rather than go into the lategame. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
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