On March 14 2019 22:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close.
Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance.
I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral.
Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb).
Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better.
I should rewatch the game to tell you if Neeb had income or workers advantage before dropping but surely he didn't have a noticeable bank and he was even or slightly behind in supply; instead, he was significantly ahead after the drop. The structural advantage Protoss have in TvP's mid game cannot justify that.
Scarlett is playing very well recently, still not better than Serral; even without choking, would you rate her above Dark in ZvZ? I thought Serral was included in your top 3.
On March 14 2019 22:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close.
Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance.
I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral.
Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb).
Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better.
I should rewatch the game to tell you if Neeb had income or workers advantage before dropping but surely he didn't have a noticeable bank and he was even or slightly behind in supply; instead, he was significantly ahead after the drop. The structural advantage Protoss have in TvP's mid game cannot justify that.
Scarlett is playing very well recently, still not better than Serral; even without choking, would you rate her above Dark in ZvZ? I thought Serral was included in your top 3.
Scarlett is alittle below Serral but i think if she can keep her calm in the match she has a decent chance yes Serral if betting as a better oods of winning but its not that big.
On March 14 2019 22:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close.
Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance.
I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral.
Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb).
Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better.
Innovation met Maru the last time in 2k17 which was the year Innovation ruled in. They didn't met from then, mostly because Innovation wasn't able to find his lost mojo, Maru was waiting for him at IEM, WESG and all 3 Code S finals
Am I alone in finding it weird that this tournament gave us literally no upsets? Like non at all. Even when two players were fairly evenly matched, the one to whom i would have given the slight advantage won. This quarterfinals, the favorite won in each case.
In the ro 16, all the favorites won, I guess some people might have said that Special is a favorite, but it was even money IMO.
In the groupstage, all the results were pretty much as expected, like no big name was taken down. Sure, Serral, Maru and Reynor dropped a series that people might not have expected, but all of them made it through.
I just cannot think of a tournament where no upsets happened, and this one looks like it so far. And since Maru and Innovation is arguably a fairly even match, the one remaining upset potential is pretty much Scarlett taking down Serral, and then the korean T.
On March 15 2019 00:34 Geo.Rion wrote: Am I alone in finding it weird that this tournament gave us literally no upsets? Like non at all. Even when two players were fairly evenly matched, the one to whom i would have given the slight advantage won. This quarterfinals, the favorite won in each case.
In the ro 16, all the favorites won, I guess some people might have said that Special is a favorite, but it was even money IMO.
In the groupstage, all the results were pretty much as expected, like no big name was taken down. Sure, Serral, Maru and Reynor dropped a series that people might not have expected, but all of them made it through.
I just cannot think of a tournament where no upsets happened, and this one looks like it so far. And since Maru and Innovation is arguably a fairly even match, the one remaining upset potential is pretty much Scarlett taking down Serral, and then the korean T.
Well MeomaikA beating Maru was an upset, and I guess PtitDrogo, Neeb and Mana being first of their groups were upsets.
Oh and Seventy91 taking a game off of MacSed as well
On March 15 2019 00:34 Geo.Rion wrote: Am I alone in finding it weird that this tournament gave us literally no upsets? Like non at all. Even when two players were fairly evenly matched, the one to whom i would have given the slight advantage won. This quarterfinals, the favorite won in each case.
In the ro 16, all the favorites won, I guess some people might have said that Special is a favorite, but it was even money IMO.
In the groupstage, all the results were pretty much as expected, like no big name was taken down. Sure, Serral, Maru and Reynor dropped a series that people might not have expected, but all of them made it through.
I just cannot think of a tournament where no upsets happened, and this one looks like it so far. And since Maru and Innovation is arguably a fairly even match, the one remaining upset potential is pretty much Scarlett taking down Serral, and then the korean T.
I think Rail advancing over Kelazhur and Time might be called an upset? Not really but still kinda? =P Otherwise yeah, you are right, tha tis curious!
I think Scarlett has good chance of beating Serral. Most of their series are 3-2 (and Scarlett did beat him in Pyeongchang) but I feel like the stars aligned to give Serral vs Maru/INnoVation finals. I'd be really excited either way.
So I was 5/6 in predictions today, 8 maps off map score wise. Yesterday 6/6 3 maps off so it's 11/12 with 11 maps off in total.
Quite a "bad" playoff day 2 from me predictions wise but we get such a good ro4+3rd place match coming that I'm still very happy with how the day went.
On March 14 2019 22:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close.
Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance.
I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral.
Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb).
Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better.
I should rewatch the game to tell you if Neeb had income or workers advantage before dropping but surely he didn't have a noticeable bank and he was even or slightly behind in supply; instead, he was significantly ahead after the drop. The structural advantage Protoss have in TvP's mid game cannot justify that.
Scarlett is playing very well recently, still not better than Serral; even without choking, would you rate her above Dark in ZvZ? I thought Serral was included in your top 3.
Scarlett has better ZvZ than Dark, but tends to choke a lot in clutch moments (which is kind of a game changer if someone wants to belong at the top isnt it?). So I dont know. She definitely plays the matchup better then Dark and understands it better... Serral is my top 1, then Rogue and soO. The rest are lacking far behind, but Scarlett is for sure the closest one to these 3 when she is in form. Just needs to overcome that mental block.
On March 14 2019 22:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close.
Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance.
I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral.
Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb).
Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better.
I should rewatch the game to tell you if Neeb had income or workers advantage before dropping but surely he didn't have a noticeable bank and he was even or slightly behind in supply; instead, he was significantly ahead after the drop. The structural advantage Protoss have in TvP's mid game cannot justify that.
Scarlett is playing very well recently, still not better than Serral; even without choking, would you rate her above Dark in ZvZ? I thought Serral was included in your top 3.
Scarlett has better ZvZ than Dark, but tends to choke a lot in clutch moments (which is kind of a game changer if someone wants to belong at the top isnt it?). So I dont know. She definitely plays the matchup better then Dark and understands it better... Serral is my top 1, then Rogue and soO. The rest are lacking far behind, but Scarlett is for sure the closest one to these 3 when she is in form. Just needs to overcome that mental block.
Hum dunno, Scarlett did not have any particularly good zvz results in a while. Basicly since october she only has notable win over Cham, True, AI, Bly and Ragnarok. With loss to soO, Impact, Ragnarok and True.
She isn't particularly bad in the matchup but she didin't punch above her height in the matchup either, with the (notable) exception of that Serral series.
On March 14 2019 22:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close.
Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance.
I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral.
Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb).
Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better.
I should rewatch the game to tell you if Neeb had income or workers advantage before dropping but surely he didn't have a noticeable bank and he was even or slightly behind in supply; instead, he was significantly ahead after the drop. The structural advantage Protoss have in TvP's mid game cannot justify that.
Scarlett is playing very well recently, still not better than Serral; even without choking, would you rate her above Dark in ZvZ? I thought Serral was included in your top 3.
Scarlett has better ZvZ than Dark, but tends to choke a lot in clutch moments (which is kind of a game changer if someone wants to belong at the top isnt it?). So I dont know. She definitely plays the matchup better then Dark and understands it better... Serral is my top 1, then Rogue and soO. The rest are lacking far behind, but Scarlett is for sure the closest one to these 3 when she is in form. Just needs to overcome that mental block.
Hum dunno, Scarlett did not have any particularly good zvz results in a while. Basicly since october she only has notable win over Cham, True, AI, Bly and Ragnarok. With loss to soO, Impact, Ragnarok and True.
She isn't particularly bad in the matchup but she didin't punch above her height in the matchup either, with the (notable) exception of that Serral series.
She didn't really do well after PyeonChang in 2018, not only in ZvZ. I still think Dark is better.
On March 14 2019 22:11 MarianoSC2 wrote: What a play by Maru !!! But TvP lategame badly needs a fix. We could clearly see that in game 2. Neeb made tons of mistakes (bad positioning, constantly worse trades, didnt split his army properly), while Maru played absolutely perfectly, and it was still extremely close.
Maru was not ahead the whole game, Neeb's drop was almost game ending; after that Maru started to play perfectly and was able to recover from 30 supply and 3k minerals deficit because of that, TvP didn't seem terribly out of balance.
I think Inno beating Maru is more likely to happen than Scarlett beating Serral.
Disagree with the first part, the economy deficit was there because of the matchup balance, its standard in PvT and Maru was not very far behind just behind because he didnt kill Neeb in the early game (yes the drop was also good from Neeb).
Completely agree with the second part, think Inno will crush Maru as always, his style suits him and I dont even remember last time when Inno lost to Maru (disragarding ladder and small online stuff) On the other hand Scarlett always chokes against Serral so I dont see her advancing although her play ATM seems a bit better.
I should rewatch the game to tell you if Neeb had income or workers advantage before dropping but surely he didn't have a noticeable bank and he was even or slightly behind in supply; instead, he was significantly ahead after the drop. The structural advantage Protoss have in TvP's mid game cannot justify that.
Scarlett is playing very well recently, still not better than Serral; even without choking, would you rate her above Dark in ZvZ? I thought Serral was included in your top 3.
Scarlett has better ZvZ than Dark, but tends to choke a lot in clutch moments (which is kind of a game changer if someone wants to belong at the top isnt it?). So I dont know. She definitely plays the matchup better then Dark and understands it better... Serral is my top 1, then Rogue and soO. The rest are lacking far behind, but Scarlett is for sure the closest one to these 3 when she is in form. Just needs to overcome that mental block.
that is why I give a good shot at the finals if you look how she is handling the times in between matches she looks to be trying to get back to a calm and more stable mindset for each match. compared to other events this one seems to be so far mental wise a huge step in the right direction
holy shit game 2 maru vs neeb :O but i am still going to whine regardless! WHY ???? the amount of skills mary put in in order to beat neeb's deathball army were otherworldly ridiculous ! Mssing EMP just 2 or 3 Hts would lead to a competely disaster for terran but for some fucking reasons mary still managed to win against the odds ! No one has ever done that in the history of Dota!(tobi wan-2012) ! i mean starcraft.....
On March 15 2019 06:57 seemsgood wrote: holy shit game 2 maru vs neeb :O but i am still going to whine regardless! WHY ???? the amount of skills mary put in in order to beat neeb's deathball army were otherworldly ridiculous ! Mssing EMP just 2 or 3 Hts would lead to a competely disaster for terran but for some fucking reasons mary still managed to win against the odds ! No one has ever done that in the history of Dota!(tobi wan-2012) ! i mean starcraft.....
HOLY MARY! You are going to whine regardless because you are a whiner, I guess "Mary" had to fight that hard because he started playing flawlessly once he was at a significant disadvantage due to Neeb's drop, not PvT balance; after that "Mary's" game was a true masterpiece, completely dismantling Neeb(who made too many errors, to say the truth).
I just cannot think of a tournament where no upsets happened, and this one looks like it so far. And since Maru and Innovation is arguably a fairly even match, the one remaining upset potential is pretty much Scarlett taking down Serral, and then the korean T.
Innovation bopped Maru in IEM qualifiers, I think he's the favourite for sure.
On March 15 2019 10:46 NinjaNight wrote: I'm scared that Serral will beat Scarlett and Maru will lose to Innovation so we won't have our Maru vs Serral. D:
Honestly that's what I foresee happening. I think Serral will do dirty Zerg things and win in the early game if that is the case. No way he's waiting till late game after the bopping he received at IEM.
EPT
