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On February 22 2019 05:25 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2019 01:45 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 21 2019 21:40 Ej_ wrote:
Yeah the swap alongside 1st pick is bollocks i'm fine with that. yes, its basicly a freebe Ro8. But i wouldn't mind a seed in Ro8 for the reigning champion as well. I want those guys in the playoffs - its always a cool storyline for the elemination rounds. Think most people wouldnt care, if it wouldn't be Maru for the 3rd time in a row. From Ro8 its still a long road, so just kick him of the throne. Well I like when tournaments have competitive integrity
in WESG there was appearently no seeding and in ended up 3 out of 4 top foreigners in the same group. and the crowed goes wild because noone wants the top players to eleminate each other in early rounds. seeding always effects the competitive integrity, but it makes sense to have the best matches in the playoffs.
Serral is seed at IEM into Group Stage as well. and noone seems to bothered. Cause everyone wants the world champion in it. GSL decided to privilege the defending champion over the other seeded group heads. its a very unique way, but the same story in the end.
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On February 22 2019 18:58 StabiloBoss20 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2019 05:25 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 01:45 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 21 2019 21:40 Ej_ wrote:
Yeah the swap alongside 1st pick is bollocks i'm fine with that. yes, its basicly a freebe Ro8. But i wouldn't mind a seed in Ro8 for the reigning champion as well. I want those guys in the playoffs - its always a cool storyline for the elemination rounds. Think most people wouldnt care, if it wouldn't be Maru for the 3rd time in a row. From Ro8 its still a long road, so just kick him of the throne. Well I like when tournaments have competitive integrity in WESG there was appearently no seeding and in ended up 3 out of 4 top foreigners in the same group. and the crowed goes wild because noone wants the top players to eleminate each other in early rounds. seeding always effects the competitive integrity, but it makes sense to have the best matches in the playoffs. Serral is seed at IEM into Group Stage as well. and noone seems to bothered. Cause everyone wants the world champion in it. GSL decided to privilege the defending champion over the other seeded group heads. its a very unique way, but the same story in the end.
Nice, the slippery slope is here already
The way GSL does it is nothing more than sacraficing the integrity to ensure "storylines" for boosted viewership. It's a farce.
If the player is truly a ro8 caliber, maybe he should have to prove it, like the other 15 who have to go through grueling bo3s vs the world's very best rather than pick and chose the weakest prey?
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On February 22 2019 18:36 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2019 18:08 Argonauta wrote:On February 22 2019 05:25 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 01:45 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 21 2019 21:40 Ej_ wrote:
Yeah the swap alongside 1st pick is bollocks i'm fine with that. yes, its basicly a freebe Ro8. But i wouldn't mind a seed in Ro8 for the reigning champion as well. I want those guys in the playoffs - its always a cool storyline for the elemination rounds. Think most people wouldnt care, if it wouldn't be Maru for the 3rd time in a row. From Ro8 its still a long road, so just kick him of the throne. Well I like when tournaments have competitive integrity and this one has. Yeah it's great when one player has a free ro8 every season.
Having a constant rule no matter who is the beneficiary is tournament integrity. However, changing a rule depending of the environment of popular opinions or who is the current beneficiary is going against competitive integrity.
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On February 22 2019 19:04 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2019 18:58 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 22 2019 05:25 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 01:45 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 21 2019 21:40 Ej_ wrote:
Yeah the swap alongside 1st pick is bollocks i'm fine with that. yes, its basicly a freebe Ro8. But i wouldn't mind a seed in Ro8 for the reigning champion as well. I want those guys in the playoffs - its always a cool storyline for the elemination rounds. Think most people wouldnt care, if it wouldn't be Maru for the 3rd time in a row. From Ro8 its still a long road, so just kick him of the throne. Well I like when tournaments have competitive integrity in WESG there was appearently no seeding and in ended up 3 out of 4 top foreigners in the same group. and the crowed goes wild because noone wants the top players to eleminate each other in early rounds. seeding always effects the competitive integrity, but it makes sense to have the best matches in the playoffs. Serral is seed at IEM into Group Stage as well. and noone seems to bothered. Cause everyone wants the world champion in it. GSL decided to privilege the defending champion over the other seeded group heads. its a very unique way, but the same story in the end. Nice, the slippery slope is here already The way GSL does it is nothing more than sacraficing the integrity to ensure "storylines" for boosted viewership. It's a farce. If the player is truly a ro8 caliber, maybe he should have to prove it, like the other 15 who have to go through grueling bo3s vs the world's very best rather than pick and chose the weakest prey?
That doesn't make sense, you'll always have variance in ro8 not only because of seeding, but because of varying player form and current balance.
Having an on paper easier path to ro8 doesn't mean you'll automatically qualify for ro8.
Plus you act like some players are the weakest prey, so I assume you evaluate their level with their past achievements... yet the reigning champion (so already better than ro8 caliber, champion caliber) has to prove he is ro8 caliber by beating players that ain't the weakest prey? Absurd, because he is already ro8 caliber if you consider recent GSL achievements (since he is champion), and if you don't count past recent achievements you can't prove that the players he is facing in his ro16 group are the weakest prey or not.
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On February 22 2019 19:17 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2019 19:04 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 18:58 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 22 2019 05:25 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 01:45 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 21 2019 21:40 Ej_ wrote:
Yeah the swap alongside 1st pick is bollocks i'm fine with that. yes, its basicly a freebe Ro8. But i wouldn't mind a seed in Ro8 for the reigning champion as well. I want those guys in the playoffs - its always a cool storyline for the elemination rounds. Think most people wouldnt care, if it wouldn't be Maru for the 3rd time in a row. From Ro8 its still a long road, so just kick him of the throne. Well I like when tournaments have competitive integrity in WESG there was appearently no seeding and in ended up 3 out of 4 top foreigners in the same group. and the crowed goes wild because noone wants the top players to eleminate each other in early rounds. seeding always effects the competitive integrity, but it makes sense to have the best matches in the playoffs. Serral is seed at IEM into Group Stage as well. and noone seems to bothered. Cause everyone wants the world champion in it. GSL decided to privilege the defending champion over the other seeded group heads. its a very unique way, but the same story in the end. Nice, the slippery slope is here already The way GSL does it is nothing more than sacraficing the integrity to ensure "storylines" for boosted viewership. It's a farce. If the player is truly a ro8 caliber, maybe he should have to prove it, like the other 15 who have to go through grueling bo3s vs the world's very best rather than pick and chose the weakest prey? That doesn't make sense, you'll always have variance in ro8 not only because of seeding, but because of varying player form and current balance. Having an on paper easier path to ro8 doesn't mean you'll automatically qualify for ro8. Plus you act like some players are the weakest prey, so I assume you evaluate their level with their past achievements... yet the reigning champion (so already better than ro8 caliber, champion caliber) has to prove he is ro8 caliber by beating players that ain't the weakest prey? Absurd, because he is already ro8 caliber if you consider recent GSL achievements (since he is champion), and if you don't count past recent achievements you can't prove that the players he is facing in his ro16 group are the weakest prey or not.
Ro16 groups are formed by the players themselves, it's a peer review of form as recent as possible (because they play custom games and ladder vs each other). It's the most accurate form of evaluation.
Unless of course, what happened in GSL months ago is a more accurate metric for you 
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On February 22 2019 19:17 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2019 19:04 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 18:58 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 22 2019 05:25 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 01:45 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 21 2019 21:40 Ej_ wrote:
Yeah the swap alongside 1st pick is bollocks i'm fine with that. yes, its basicly a freebe Ro8. But i wouldn't mind a seed in Ro8 for the reigning champion as well. I want those guys in the playoffs - its always a cool storyline for the elemination rounds. Think most people wouldnt care, if it wouldn't be Maru for the 3rd time in a row. From Ro8 its still a long road, so just kick him of the throne. Well I like when tournaments have competitive integrity in WESG there was appearently no seeding and in ended up 3 out of 4 top foreigners in the same group. and the crowed goes wild because noone wants the top players to eleminate each other in early rounds. seeding always effects the competitive integrity, but it makes sense to have the best matches in the playoffs. Serral is seed at IEM into Group Stage as well. and noone seems to bothered. Cause everyone wants the world champion in it. GSL decided to privilege the defending champion over the other seeded group heads. its a very unique way, but the same story in the end. Nice, the slippery slope is here already The way GSL does it is nothing more than sacraficing the integrity to ensure "storylines" for boosted viewership. It's a farce. If the player is truly a ro8 caliber, maybe he should have to prove it, like the other 15 who have to go through grueling bo3s vs the world's very best rather than pick and chose the weakest prey? That doesn't make sense, you'll always have variance in ro8 not only because of seeding, but because of varying player form and current balance. Having an on paper easier path to ro8 doesn't mean you'll automatically qualify for ro8. Plus you act like some players are the weakest prey, so I assume you evaluate their level with their past achievements... yet the reigning champion (so already better than ro8 caliber, champion caliber) has to prove he is ro8 caliber by beating players that ain't the weakest prey? Absurd, because he is already ro8 caliber if you consider recent GSL achievements (since he is champion), and if you don't count past recent achievements you can't prove that the players he is facing in his ro16 group are the weakest prey or not.
You assume that players are evaluated on their name and past rather than their current form. It is the other way around, which is precisely the point. Maru has a very good idea of players' current form naturally picks and chooses accordingly. The weakest pray is called so because of how their play is now.
The variance in Ro8 is actually what is hindered by this system which gives easy paths to former champions in order to ensure that these big names make it far. The GSL system will never be completely fair because everybody doesn't play everybody, but it could clearly be better, as we have seen these last seasons.
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On February 22 2019 19:28 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2019 19:17 Poopi wrote:On February 22 2019 19:04 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 18:58 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 22 2019 05:25 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 01:45 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 21 2019 21:40 Ej_ wrote:
Yeah the swap alongside 1st pick is bollocks i'm fine with that. yes, its basicly a freebe Ro8. But i wouldn't mind a seed in Ro8 for the reigning champion as well. I want those guys in the playoffs - its always a cool storyline for the elemination rounds. Think most people wouldnt care, if it wouldn't be Maru for the 3rd time in a row. From Ro8 its still a long road, so just kick him of the throne. Well I like when tournaments have competitive integrity in WESG there was appearently no seeding and in ended up 3 out of 4 top foreigners in the same group. and the crowed goes wild because noone wants the top players to eleminate each other in early rounds. seeding always effects the competitive integrity, but it makes sense to have the best matches in the playoffs. Serral is seed at IEM into Group Stage as well. and noone seems to bothered. Cause everyone wants the world champion in it. GSL decided to privilege the defending champion over the other seeded group heads. its a very unique way, but the same story in the end. Nice, the slippery slope is here already The way GSL does it is nothing more than sacraficing the integrity to ensure "storylines" for boosted viewership. It's a farce. If the player is truly a ro8 caliber, maybe he should have to prove it, like the other 15 who have to go through grueling bo3s vs the world's very best rather than pick and chose the weakest prey? That doesn't make sense, you'll always have variance in ro8 not only because of seeding, but because of varying player form and current balance. Having an on paper easier path to ro8 doesn't mean you'll automatically qualify for ro8. Plus you act like some players are the weakest prey, so I assume you evaluate their level with their past achievements... yet the reigning champion (so already better than ro8 caliber, champion caliber) has to prove he is ro8 caliber by beating players that ain't the weakest prey? Absurd, because he is already ro8 caliber if you consider recent GSL achievements (since he is champion), and if you don't count past recent achievements you can't prove that the players he is facing in his ro16 group are the weakest prey or not. You assume that players are evaluated on their name and past rather than their current form. It is the other way around, which is precisely the point. Maru has a very good idea of players' current form naturally picks and chooses accordingly. The weakest pray is called so because of how their play is now. The variance in Ro8 is actually what is hindered by this system which gives easy paths to former champions in order to ensure that these big names make it far. The GSL system will never be completely fair because everybody doesn't play everybody, but it could clearly be better, as we have seen these last seasons.
That doesn't change the fact that they are not necessarily the weakest players among the 16 remaining, and it isn't a free ro8 qualification.
It makes the champion path easier if the players he is up against are indeed easier for him, but the probability for a champion to be champion again and thus use this advantageous system multiple times is relatively low, so in the end all championship calibers players should have had an easier ro8 path, but not free, and they'll have to struggle against good competition to be champion again anyways.
I agree it helps with storylines, but remember that we can have tournaments and such still being continued, precisely because those storylines attract enough viewers. I'd rather have a minor stint in competitive integrity but healthier scene in the long term
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On February 22 2019 19:04 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2019 18:58 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 22 2019 05:25 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 01:45 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 21 2019 21:40 Ej_ wrote:
Yeah the swap alongside 1st pick is bollocks i'm fine with that. yes, its basicly a freebe Ro8. But i wouldn't mind a seed in Ro8 for the reigning champion as well. I want those guys in the playoffs - its always a cool storyline for the elemination rounds. Think most people wouldnt care, if it wouldn't be Maru for the 3rd time in a row. From Ro8 its still a long road, so just kick him of the throne. Well I like when tournaments have competitive integrity in WESG there was appearently no seeding and in ended up 3 out of 4 top foreigners in the same group. and the crowed goes wild because noone wants the top players to eleminate each other in early rounds. seeding always effects the competitive integrity, but it makes sense to have the best matches in the playoffs. Serral is seed at IEM into Group Stage as well. and noone seems to bothered. Cause everyone wants the world champion in it. GSL decided to privilege the defending champion over the other seeded group heads. its a very unique way, but the same story in the end. Nice, the slippery slope is here already The way GSL does it is nothing more than sacraficing the integrity to ensure "storylines" for boosted viewership. It's a farce. If the player is truly a ro8 caliber, maybe he should have to prove it, like the other 15 who have to go through grueling bo3s vs the world's very best rather than pick and chose the weakest prey?
??? just saying its a different system. i can understand if you dont like it. and we are talking about a free Ro8 but even though its easier then other groups... the weakest prey? hmm... i mean those guys defeated players like Zest or Solar.
edit: should have refreshed 
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On February 22 2019 19:35 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2019 19:28 sneakyfox wrote:On February 22 2019 19:17 Poopi wrote:On February 22 2019 19:04 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 18:58 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 22 2019 05:25 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 01:45 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 21 2019 21:40 Ej_ wrote:
Yeah the swap alongside 1st pick is bollocks i'm fine with that. yes, its basicly a freebe Ro8. But i wouldn't mind a seed in Ro8 for the reigning champion as well. I want those guys in the playoffs - its always a cool storyline for the elemination rounds. Think most people wouldnt care, if it wouldn't be Maru for the 3rd time in a row. From Ro8 its still a long road, so just kick him of the throne. Well I like when tournaments have competitive integrity in WESG there was appearently no seeding and in ended up 3 out of 4 top foreigners in the same group. and the crowed goes wild because noone wants the top players to eleminate each other in early rounds. seeding always effects the competitive integrity, but it makes sense to have the best matches in the playoffs. Serral is seed at IEM into Group Stage as well. and noone seems to bothered. Cause everyone wants the world champion in it. GSL decided to privilege the defending champion over the other seeded group heads. its a very unique way, but the same story in the end. Nice, the slippery slope is here already The way GSL does it is nothing more than sacraficing the integrity to ensure "storylines" for boosted viewership. It's a farce. If the player is truly a ro8 caliber, maybe he should have to prove it, like the other 15 who have to go through grueling bo3s vs the world's very best rather than pick and chose the weakest prey? That doesn't make sense, you'll always have variance in ro8 not only because of seeding, but because of varying player form and current balance. Having an on paper easier path to ro8 doesn't mean you'll automatically qualify for ro8. Plus you act like some players are the weakest prey, so I assume you evaluate their level with their past achievements... yet the reigning champion (so already better than ro8 caliber, champion caliber) has to prove he is ro8 caliber by beating players that ain't the weakest prey? Absurd, because he is already ro8 caliber if you consider recent GSL achievements (since he is champion), and if you don't count past recent achievements you can't prove that the players he is facing in his ro16 group are the weakest prey or not. You assume that players are evaluated on their name and past rather than their current form. It is the other way around, which is precisely the point. Maru has a very good idea of players' current form naturally picks and chooses accordingly. The weakest pray is called so because of how their play is now. The variance in Ro8 is actually what is hindered by this system which gives easy paths to former champions in order to ensure that these big names make it far. The GSL system will never be completely fair because everybody doesn't play everybody, but it could clearly be better, as we have seen these last seasons. That doesn't change the fact that they are not necessarily the weakest players among the 16 remaining, and it isn't a free ro8 qualification. It makes the champion path easier if the players he is up against are indeed easier for him, but the probability for a champion to be champion again and thus use this advantageous system multiple times is relatively low, so in the end all championship calibers players should have had an easier ro8 path, but not free, and they'll have to struggle against good competition to be champion again anyways.
It's not a completely free Ro8, but it's the cheapest one possible. Not necessarily the weakest? I think here we have to trust in players' ability to evaluate each other. They are certainly better at it than we are.
I think again you're misssing the point. The advantageous system itself is what increases the possibility of repeating champions. There are several championship caliber players but only the previous champion gets the easy path. This obviously skewers the results.
The system has arguably never been worse than now because there are not 16 very good players, but there are 11-12 or so.
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On February 22 2019 20:18 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2019 19:35 Poopi wrote:On February 22 2019 19:28 sneakyfox wrote:On February 22 2019 19:17 Poopi wrote:On February 22 2019 19:04 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 18:58 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 22 2019 05:25 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 01:45 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 21 2019 21:40 Ej_ wrote:
Yeah the swap alongside 1st pick is bollocks i'm fine with that. yes, its basicly a freebe Ro8. But i wouldn't mind a seed in Ro8 for the reigning champion as well. I want those guys in the playoffs - its always a cool storyline for the elemination rounds. Think most people wouldnt care, if it wouldn't be Maru for the 3rd time in a row. From Ro8 its still a long road, so just kick him of the throne. Well I like when tournaments have competitive integrity in WESG there was appearently no seeding and in ended up 3 out of 4 top foreigners in the same group. and the crowed goes wild because noone wants the top players to eleminate each other in early rounds. seeding always effects the competitive integrity, but it makes sense to have the best matches in the playoffs. Serral is seed at IEM into Group Stage as well. and noone seems to bothered. Cause everyone wants the world champion in it. GSL decided to privilege the defending champion over the other seeded group heads. its a very unique way, but the same story in the end. Nice, the slippery slope is here already The way GSL does it is nothing more than sacraficing the integrity to ensure "storylines" for boosted viewership. It's a farce. If the player is truly a ro8 caliber, maybe he should have to prove it, like the other 15 who have to go through grueling bo3s vs the world's very best rather than pick and chose the weakest prey? That doesn't make sense, you'll always have variance in ro8 not only because of seeding, but because of varying player form and current balance. Having an on paper easier path to ro8 doesn't mean you'll automatically qualify for ro8. Plus you act like some players are the weakest prey, so I assume you evaluate their level with their past achievements... yet the reigning champion (so already better than ro8 caliber, champion caliber) has to prove he is ro8 caliber by beating players that ain't the weakest prey? Absurd, because he is already ro8 caliber if you consider recent GSL achievements (since he is champion), and if you don't count past recent achievements you can't prove that the players he is facing in his ro16 group are the weakest prey or not. You assume that players are evaluated on their name and past rather than their current form. It is the other way around, which is precisely the point. Maru has a very good idea of players' current form naturally picks and chooses accordingly. The weakest pray is called so because of how their play is now. The variance in Ro8 is actually what is hindered by this system which gives easy paths to former champions in order to ensure that these big names make it far. The GSL system will never be completely fair because everybody doesn't play everybody, but it could clearly be better, as we have seen these last seasons. That doesn't change the fact that they are not necessarily the weakest players among the 16 remaining, and it isn't a free ro8 qualification. It makes the champion path easier if the players he is up against are indeed easier for him, but the probability for a champion to be champion again and thus use this advantageous system multiple times is relatively low, so in the end all championship calibers players should have had an easier ro8 path, but not free, and they'll have to struggle against good competition to be champion again anyways. It's not a completely free Ro8, but it's the cheapest one possible. Not necessarily the weakest? I think here we have to trust in players' ability to evaluate each other. They are certainly better at it than we are. I think again you're misssing the point. The advantageous system itself is what increases the possibility of repeating champions. There are several championship caliber players but only the previous champion gets the easy path. This obviously skewers the results. The system has arguably never been worse than now because there are not 16 very good players, but there are 11-12 or so.
It increases this possibility very marginally. You have to remember that Maru almost lost to KeeN in a group that was supposed to be easy. And I didn't say it wasn't the weakest group, I said it was not the weakest players. For example I think that Patience / Dear / herO are about the same for Maru, and Impact is roughly the same as soO as well. However if you look at the groups Maru's one is the weakest, because there is only one top player, but you could swap some players and it would remain weak. Group B is also kinda weak, Dear and herO were non existent in 2018 and Cure only shined in Homestory cup post BlizzCon afaik.
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On February 22 2019 20:47 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2019 20:18 sneakyfox wrote:On February 22 2019 19:35 Poopi wrote:On February 22 2019 19:28 sneakyfox wrote:On February 22 2019 19:17 Poopi wrote:On February 22 2019 19:04 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 18:58 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 22 2019 05:25 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 01:45 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 21 2019 21:40 Ej_ wrote:
Yeah the swap alongside 1st pick is bollocks i'm fine with that. yes, its basicly a freebe Ro8. But i wouldn't mind a seed in Ro8 for the reigning champion as well. I want those guys in the playoffs - its always a cool storyline for the elemination rounds. Think most people wouldnt care, if it wouldn't be Maru for the 3rd time in a row. From Ro8 its still a long road, so just kick him of the throne. Well I like when tournaments have competitive integrity in WESG there was appearently no seeding and in ended up 3 out of 4 top foreigners in the same group. and the crowed goes wild because noone wants the top players to eleminate each other in early rounds. seeding always effects the competitive integrity, but it makes sense to have the best matches in the playoffs. Serral is seed at IEM into Group Stage as well. and noone seems to bothered. Cause everyone wants the world champion in it. GSL decided to privilege the defending champion over the other seeded group heads. its a very unique way, but the same story in the end. Nice, the slippery slope is here already The way GSL does it is nothing more than sacraficing the integrity to ensure "storylines" for boosted viewership. It's a farce. If the player is truly a ro8 caliber, maybe he should have to prove it, like the other 15 who have to go through grueling bo3s vs the world's very best rather than pick and chose the weakest prey? That doesn't make sense, you'll always have variance in ro8 not only because of seeding, but because of varying player form and current balance. Having an on paper easier path to ro8 doesn't mean you'll automatically qualify for ro8. Plus you act like some players are the weakest prey, so I assume you evaluate their level with their past achievements... yet the reigning champion (so already better than ro8 caliber, champion caliber) has to prove he is ro8 caliber by beating players that ain't the weakest prey? Absurd, because he is already ro8 caliber if you consider recent GSL achievements (since he is champion), and if you don't count past recent achievements you can't prove that the players he is facing in his ro16 group are the weakest prey or not. You assume that players are evaluated on their name and past rather than their current form. It is the other way around, which is precisely the point. Maru has a very good idea of players' current form naturally picks and chooses accordingly. The weakest pray is called so because of how their play is now. The variance in Ro8 is actually what is hindered by this system which gives easy paths to former champions in order to ensure that these big names make it far. The GSL system will never be completely fair because everybody doesn't play everybody, but it could clearly be better, as we have seen these last seasons. That doesn't change the fact that they are not necessarily the weakest players among the 16 remaining, and it isn't a free ro8 qualification. It makes the champion path easier if the players he is up against are indeed easier for him, but the probability for a champion to be champion again and thus use this advantageous system multiple times is relatively low, so in the end all championship calibers players should have had an easier ro8 path, but not free, and they'll have to struggle against good competition to be champion again anyways. It's not a completely free Ro8, but it's the cheapest one possible. Not necessarily the weakest? I think here we have to trust in players' ability to evaluate each other. They are certainly better at it than we are. I think again you're misssing the point. The advantageous system itself is what increases the possibility of repeating champions. There are several championship caliber players but only the previous champion gets the easy path. This obviously skewers the results. The system has arguably never been worse than now because there are not 16 very good players, but there are 11-12 or so. It increases this possibility very marginally. You have to remember that Maru almost lost to KeeN in a group that was supposed to be easy.
Again, I think you're disproving your own point. If Maru almost lost to KeeN, what would then happen if he faced TY? Surely a much greater chance of Maru being eliminated.
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On February 22 2019 21:08 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2019 20:47 Poopi wrote:On February 22 2019 20:18 sneakyfox wrote:On February 22 2019 19:35 Poopi wrote:On February 22 2019 19:28 sneakyfox wrote:On February 22 2019 19:17 Poopi wrote:On February 22 2019 19:04 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 18:58 StabiloBoss20 wrote:On February 22 2019 05:25 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2019 01:45 StabiloBoss20 wrote:
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i'm fine with that. yes, its basicly a freebe Ro8. But i wouldn't mind a seed in Ro8 for the reigning champion as well. I want those guys in the playoffs - its always a cool storyline for the elemination rounds. Think most people wouldnt care, if it wouldn't be Maru for the 3rd time in a row. From Ro8 its still a long road, so just kick him of the throne. Well I like when tournaments have competitive integrity in WESG there was appearently no seeding and in ended up 3 out of 4 top foreigners in the same group. and the crowed goes wild because noone wants the top players to eleminate each other in early rounds. seeding always effects the competitive integrity, but it makes sense to have the best matches in the playoffs. Serral is seed at IEM into Group Stage as well. and noone seems to bothered. Cause everyone wants the world champion in it. GSL decided to privilege the defending champion over the other seeded group heads. its a very unique way, but the same story in the end. Nice, the slippery slope is here already The way GSL does it is nothing more than sacraficing the integrity to ensure "storylines" for boosted viewership. It's a farce. If the player is truly a ro8 caliber, maybe he should have to prove it, like the other 15 who have to go through grueling bo3s vs the world's very best rather than pick and chose the weakest prey? That doesn't make sense, you'll always have variance in ro8 not only because of seeding, but because of varying player form and current balance. Having an on paper easier path to ro8 doesn't mean you'll automatically qualify for ro8. Plus you act like some players are the weakest prey, so I assume you evaluate their level with their past achievements... yet the reigning champion (so already better than ro8 caliber, champion caliber) has to prove he is ro8 caliber by beating players that ain't the weakest prey? Absurd, because he is already ro8 caliber if you consider recent GSL achievements (since he is champion), and if you don't count past recent achievements you can't prove that the players he is facing in his ro16 group are the weakest prey or not. You assume that players are evaluated on their name and past rather than their current form. It is the other way around, which is precisely the point. Maru has a very good idea of players' current form naturally picks and chooses accordingly. The weakest pray is called so because of how their play is now. The variance in Ro8 is actually what is hindered by this system which gives easy paths to former champions in order to ensure that these big names make it far. The GSL system will never be completely fair because everybody doesn't play everybody, but it could clearly be better, as we have seen these last seasons. That doesn't change the fact that they are not necessarily the weakest players among the 16 remaining, and it isn't a free ro8 qualification. It makes the champion path easier if the players he is up against are indeed easier for him, but the probability for a champion to be champion again and thus use this advantageous system multiple times is relatively low, so in the end all championship calibers players should have had an easier ro8 path, but not free, and they'll have to struggle against good competition to be champion again anyways. It's not a completely free Ro8, but it's the cheapest one possible. Not necessarily the weakest? I think here we have to trust in players' ability to evaluate each other. They are certainly better at it than we are. I think again you're misssing the point. The advantageous system itself is what increases the possibility of repeating champions. There are several championship caliber players but only the previous champion gets the easy path. This obviously skewers the results. The system has arguably never been worse than now because there are not 16 very good players, but there are 11-12 or so. It increases this possibility very marginally. You have to remember that Maru almost lost to KeeN in a group that was supposed to be easy. Again, I think you're disproving your own point. If Maru almost lost to KeeN, what would then happen if he faced TY? Surely a much greater chance of Maru being eliminated.
My main points are that the champion getting to switch one player only marginally improves his chances of winning the whole championship, since the hardest part starts at the ro8 anyways, and that claiming there is such a thing as a free group is fallacious, hence the Keen example.
Ask soO if you don't believe the hardest part of winning GSL is winning it.
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If you think that the current format gives the reigning champion a free ride into the ro8, then you should check out some past groups.
 2015 Global StarCraft II League Season 1/Code S Innovation gets MMA Terminator and Dark but he gets crushed by MMA and has to ride his TvP to ro8 as a second seed. He is punished with his first ro8 opponent being Life.
2015 Global StarCraft II League Season 2/Code S Life gets Maru Bomber and MyuNgSiK, which isn't an easy group but one that Life is clearly favored to get out of along with Maru. He fell to Bomber and MyuNgSik.
2015 Global StarCraft II League Season 3/Code S Rain gets Dear Rogue and Bbyong. Loses to Bbyong and Rouge.
It's not even that the hardest part starts at ro8 - even the group stages are deadly - it's just that the current talent pool is lacking. Also, it is so hard to stay on top playing against the highest level of competition for very long. Champions don't have to be totally dominant, they often struggle to be consistent. Part of it has to do with preparation - which is severely lacking now that there are no teams. But Maru has also overcome individual challenges such as lack of motivation, exhaustion, and being too predictable.
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can anyone confirm if this is still the adress of the GSL studio?
626 Teheran-ro, Daechi-dong, Gangnam-gu, Seoul
Want to go there to attend and watch group A on March 8th.
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