There hasn't been a GSL final mirror match since BL/infestor. That being said I think one happens here, Classic's PvT is unbeatable without any major slip ups.
Sons of Terrans, my brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of terran fails, when we forsake our teamhouse and break all bonds of teammates, but it is not this day. An hour of lazers and shattered armor, when the age of terran comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good GSL, I bid you *stand, Men of the Terran!* - Maru
It's very interesting that Classic still makes so many stalkers when he opens SG, whereas everyone else goes adepts. It seems to work out for him against these aggressive openings.
On June 16 2018 13:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote: 2/2 terran against 1/1 protoss. When do you ever see this?
It is because Maru early damage let him have a worker/econ lead. He simply could afford it before Classic.
Also because as a result of the early damage Classic chose to prioritize gateway units. Well, it allowed him to survive longer, so it was the right call, but he needed a mistake from Maru on top of that.
Not the first time seeing a terran stop 3-5 protoss units without having any units on his own. Imagine the roles being reversed and 8 marines walk into an undefended protoss main base...
On June 16 2018 13:53 Fango wrote: My WiFi went down for a couple minutes and wtf how did Maru win that?
Classic only killed 8 SCVs, and wasn't able to slow down the bunker due to the good worker pull. If he can't get into the main he's so far behind in tech he's basically lost. So Classic tried to break in, succeeded but Maru had good micro and was able to clean up the stalkers, and Classic lost everything. Then the cloaked banshee came out and it was GG.
No bunker was pretty brave from Maru. He had zero scouting, and proxy stargate was probably one of the better scenarios for him. More stalkers would have just killed him. Maybe he had a good soulread that it had to be some sort of stargate from Classic on this map.
That was a fantastic fight from Maru. And unlike game 2 he had the worse army, not the better one. He'll need more of them though with 2/2 and disruptors finishing for Classic.
Theoretically classic should get more zealots and charge to counter the marauders, but the widow mines and liberators (the ships of freedom) keep zealots from being effective. Nice strat, hard to see a counter.
I feel like Classic is afraid of Maru, Classic is very indecisive in the early game, his early stalker/oracle play isn't as aggressive as normal. I mean he made 4 oracles, killed almost no SCVs and them lost them all to random widow mines. Its almost like hes tilting. (also the 2 gate made 0 sense)
This is extremely predictable. With the current PvT status, I don't know how anyone could predict Classic is favored. If you can't get in an unlosable early game position, entering mid game means gg for protoss. Zest approached the ro4 the right way.
On June 16 2018 14:25 yangluphil wrote: This is extremely predictable. With the current PvT status, I don't know how anyone could predict Classic is favored. If you can't get in an unlosable early game position, entering mid game means gg for protoss. Zest approached the ro4 the right way.
Classic was borderline 100% in PvT before today....
On June 16 2018 14:25 yangluphil wrote: This is extremely predictable. With the current PvT status, I don't know how anyone could predict Classic is favored. If you can't get in an unlosable early game position, entering mid game means gg for protoss. Zest approached the ro4 the right way.
I don't see how Maru loses. The buff plus his affinity to the unit is just on a whole another level than anyone else Had him winning in 6 but he stomped the best protoss in 5..
On June 16 2018 14:27 yht9657 wrote: With the entire Jinair rolster behind him, I see a future where Maru wins every single tournament out there after the '92 generation in Korea retires.
On June 16 2018 14:25 yangluphil wrote: This is extremely predictable. With the current PvT status, I don't know how anyone could predict Classic is favored. If you can't get in an unlosable early game position, entering mid game means gg for protoss. Zest approached the ro4 the right way.
On June 16 2018 14:25 yangluphil wrote: This is extremely predictable. With the current PvT status, I don't know how anyone could predict Classic is favored. If you can't get in an unlosable early game position, entering mid game means gg for protoss. Zest approached the ro4 the right way.
What did I just read..
Sounds like a race-swapped comment from last season tbh.
On June 16 2018 14:25 yangluphil wrote: This is extremely predictable. With the current PvT status, I don't know how anyone could predict Classic is favored. If you can't get in an unlosable early game position, entering mid game means gg for protoss. Zest approached the ro4 the right way.
Classic was borderline 100% in PvT before today....
How many series of PvT vs top terran was played in this patch? He looked very shaky vs TY in the group already. And he came back with super early aggression, the only way you win in this MU right now. Same in series vs Byun. Classic likes stalker heavy comp in PvT. That could carry over reasonablly well to mid game pre-patch, but it's a joke now if you don't win right there.
On June 16 2018 14:25 yangluphil wrote: This is extremely predictable. With the current PvT status, I don't know how anyone could predict Classic is favored. If you can't get in an unlosable early game position, entering mid game means gg for protoss. Zest approached the ro4 the right way.
Classic was borderline 100% in PvT before today....
How many series of PvT vs top terran was played in this patch? He looked very shaky vs TY in the group already. And he came back with super early aggression, the only way you win in this MU right now. Same in series vs Byun. Classic likes stalker heavy comp in PvT. That could carry over reasonablly well to mid game pre-patch, but it's a joke now if you don't win right there.
PvT was ~44% after the patch.
What do you mean with "Zest approached his games the right way" though? He won the long games on Acid Plant and Darkness Sanctuary. The only long game he lost was the one on Catalyst.
The only game that made it look broken was the third game, where Claassic was clearly ahead after killing so many scvs, and yet Maru's army setup looked impossibly broken, zoning with the liberators and killing with the marauders. Artosis said he needs to go collosus, but Maru will win against collosus, his micro is too good.
It will be interesting to see what Zest comes up with, because he is practicing hard and will find something he will think is effective.
On June 16 2018 14:25 yangluphil wrote: This is extremely predictable. With the current PvT status, I don't know how anyone could predict Classic is favored. If you can't get in an unlosable early game position, entering mid game means gg for protoss. Zest approached the ro4 the right way.
Classic was borderline 100% in PvT before today....
How many series of PvT vs top terran was played in this patch? He looked very shaky vs TY in the group already. And he came back with super early aggression, the only way you win in this MU right now. Same in series vs Byun. Classic likes stalker heavy comp in PvT. That could carry over reasonablly well to mid game pre-patch, but it's a joke now if you don't win right there.
PvT was ~44% after the patch.
What do you mean with "Zest approached his games the right way" though? He won the long games on Acid Plant and Darkness Sanctuary. The only long game he lost was the one on Catalyst.
Just because they went a bit longer doesn't mean they weren't decided early though. On Acid Plant, TY's build failed so horribly he was just super far behind the entire time. On Darkness Sanctuary, TY's 3rd orbital dies before it's fully saturated.
Still, this whole midgame is a free win for Terran story is bogus. Almost all the Terran wins this GSL after the patch come off the back of Terrans getting early leads with their builds.
On June 16 2018 14:41 TerranYourAss wrote: Hey guys, are Vods up yet and if not, do you know when?
Just wanted to give a golden tip: nowadays you can just go directly to the gsl videos tab as the broadcast is going on and start watching from the beginning. I almost always miss the start, but also always go to the videos tab directly without looking at the stream. No need to wait for VODs, and if you disable chat and dont go to TL/reddit for a bit theres no way you will actually get spoiled. I guess sometimes I see how long it will still take, which is sad. On the other hand, zero downtime is pretty nice.
Yeah I always watch the twitch VOD too for Saturday games, didn't expect Maru to win so easily today but nothing is going to stop Zest winning this GSL i'm sorry Maru fans.
I need a serious explanation of Maru's game 1 strategy. That felt like a build he'd use in the group stage of some random tournament like WESG against a tier 7 player rather than something against Classic in the GSL semifinals. (like when he went for a 2-base Nuke rush on King Sejong in the WESG East Asian qualifiers back in 2016)
Just watched the series and Maru's hold in game 3 was actually really fucking incredible. I would've lost 500 out of 500 games facing that cheese in that situation. Even against a player my own level, no freaking chance for me to win and against someone as good as Classic too.
Ridiculous hold.
It's crazy too because unequivocally Maru's play in that game teaches like the most important aspect of holding shit like that and it's really the effective pulling of SCV's.
Game 1 wraps and you see only 75 minutes left on the VOD. "I guess Classic won in 4."
Maru's play was just incredible. Even in game 1 where he is getting criticized heavily, his initial drop did massive damage and he could've easily had a game-ending follow up drop if Classic's control on the defense wasn't as strong as it was.
A bit late, but I think Classic's force fields have cost him the last game of the series. Looking back at the engagement where the stasis went off and trapped Maru's mines and scvs, Classic could have trapped even more units if he had not divided the army with his force fields just b4. It's a bit sad bc if he practiced a bit more in that "sOsy" scenario, he would have known what to do.
On June 16 2018 14:25 yangluphil wrote: This is extremely predictable. With the current PvT status, I don't know how anyone could predict Classic is favored. If you can't get in an unlosable early game position, entering mid game means gg for protoss. Zest approached the ro4 the right way.
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Again you need to stop disappointing me. Ban me son. @Seeker.
On June 18 2018 13:10 iamho wrote: I feel like we're going to get one of the most one-sided GSL finals in years
Zest almost always shows up in finals, he wouldn't let himself get swept. It would be out of character for him not to play better than he has so far this season.