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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On June 13 2018 20:14 Ej_ wrote: Not losing your 3rd base to stalkers is a good start. I don't get why TY chose that location for his 3rd. Conventional wisdom would've been to expand away from your opponent, not towards. | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
On June 13 2018 20:13 Vindicare605 wrote: I really don't see how Terran is supposed to beat Protoss straight up on that map. Protoss Air is just so damn fast and provides such excellent map control. just play like Maru on that note if Classic wins the other semi's Zest has an actual chance of winning another GSL :o | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
On June 13 2018 20:14 Ej_ wrote: Not losing your 3rd base to stalkers is a good start. I mean yea, but that's part of the thing with the air units I was talking about. Oracles can just tag the army over and over, Protoss can expand freely and if Terran moves out at all the potential for counter attacks into recall is just that much stronger thanks to the size of the map. Only way TY holds that attack with the supply he had was to see it coming already, in which case Zest can just hang back and take a 4th. if TY counters, Zest can wipe out the CC and recall back in time to meet the Terran army walking over. I dunno. the pure size and layout just plays to all of the strengths of Protoss in the match up. The later it goes the worse it gets imo. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On June 13 2018 20:14 Mun_Su wrote: Thanks So the winner of this GSL (no matter who) will become a 3 times starleague winner right ? Oh i forgot that Maru won OSL. so he can become a 4 times starleague champion | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
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Penev
28536 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
On June 13 2018 20:15 Penev wrote: just play like Maru on that note if Classic wins the other semi's Zest has an actual chance of winning another GSL :o I mean that would be my strategy tbh. Just start going for Raven/Ghost/Viking from the outset and defend whatever nonsense my opponent throws at me. | ||
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phantomfive
Korea (South)404 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On June 13 2018 20:16 Vindicare605 wrote: I mean yea, but that's part of the thing with the air units I was talking about. Oracles can just tag the army over and over, Protoss can expand freely and if Terran moves out at all the potential for counter attacks into recall is just that much stronger thanks to the size of the map. Only way TY holds that attack with the supply he had was to see it coming already, in which case Zest can just hang back and take a 4th. if TY counters, Zest can wipe out the CC and recall back in time to meet the Terran army walking over. I dunno. the pure size and layout just plays to all of the strengths of Protoss in the match up. The later it goes the worse it gets imo. Even tho I agree overall, TY really had no excuse to not see that attack coming. To not have any vision of the rocks that lead straight to your 3rd was poor play. If Zest was ever going to attack, that was probably the most obvious route he would take. That spotter marine wasn't well placed. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
On June 13 2018 20:25 blooblooblahblah wrote: Even tho I agree overall, TY really had no excuse to not see that attack coming. To not have any vision of the rocks that lead straight to your 3rd was poor play. If Zest was ever going to attack, that was probably the most obvious route he would take. That spotter marine wasn't well placed. Absolutely, I'm not saying TY didn't get outplayed in that game, just the way that early game looked it really seemed like he was screwed no matter what he tried. It really felt like the best option was to just turtle up and move out slowly knowing you're gonna have to face the Protoss deathball and beat it at some point. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On June 13 2018 20:18 Penev wrote: Zest on his way to become the uncontested GOAT Maybe in about 3 GSL wins | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
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Penev
28536 Posts
let us continue this discussion in other players' fan club threads | ||
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phantomfive
Korea (South)404 Posts
On June 13 2018 20:49 Vindicare605 wrote: Absolutely, I'm not saying TY didn't get outplayed in that game, just the way that early game looked it really seemed like he was screwed no matter what he tried. It really felt like the best option was to just turtle up and move out slowly knowing you're gonna have to face the Protoss deathball and beat it at some point. The heavy gas investment in air means his storm will be late, and Oracle's and phoenixes aren't great fighting units, leaving you vulnerable to an early attack. So there are advantages and disadvantages of that play. In that game, Zest abused the large map to expand very quickly, so he had an economic advantage. That made his air look stronger than it was. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Topin
Peru10128 Posts
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ThunderJunk
United States741 Posts
I swear, Ryung is the best practice partner. His execution isn't good at all, but he knows the ins and outs of every build in the game up until the 9 minute mark. | ||
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