EPT[WESG 2017] Playoffs - Day 1 - Page 2
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
How strange. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
There's a reason a lot of people downplay Neeb's win by saying he PvP'd his way through. Not saying they're right, but there's no denying that Neeb got lucky with his bracket either. And his current form is doing his fans no favors. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 17 2018 10:06 neutralrobot wrote: I don't understand why you're saying this about Neeb. He won a KeSPA Cup. What am I missing? (Edit: Did he really not beat a single Korean terran in that run, or ever anywhere else? That's just weird if so.) In kespa cup he faced only protoss and the two worst zergs in the tournament. Probably one of the biggest ever cases of bracket luck (still impressive though). | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
Not really considering how few opportunities he's had. | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1162 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 17 2018 10:48 Fango wrote: In kespa cup he faced only protoss and the two worst zergs in the tournament. Probably one of the biggest ever cases of bracket luck (still impressive though). To Neeb's credit he did show proficiency in PvP by beating Stats who was the best PvPer in the world at the time. I'm sure we could find a tournament where the winner won by beating players who were very weak against the race of the winner, but strong in other match-ups. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 17 2018 11:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote: To Neeb's credit he did show proficiency in PvP by beating Stats who was the best PvPer in the world at the time. I'm sure we could find a tournament where the winner won by beating players who were very weak against the race of the winner, but strong in other match-ups. How many other players are competitive exclusively in one matchup, and then win a premier tournament by playing almost only that? The difference in Neebs PvP compared to his vZ/T was ridiculous. I don't wanna get into talking about how the meta was perfect for him, or how koreans just hadn't practiced that particular style or whatever, but it's still one of the luckiest runs of all time. | ||
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VanCaspel
Netherlands250 Posts
Also: later today I aim to make available the replays from the group stage and first day of playoffs. Finals will follow tomorrow. | ||
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SoupKitchenInMyPants
8 Posts
On March 17 2018 11:53 Fango wrote: How many other players are competitive exclusively in one matchup, and then win a premier tournament by playing almost only that? The difference in Neebs PvP compared to his vZ/T was ridiculous. I don't wanna get into talking about how the meta was perfect for him, or how koreans just hadn't practiced that particular style or whatever, but it's still one of the luckiest runs of all time. Jesus what is with the Neeb haters. If Neeb was Korean but won the exact same tournament in the exact same way nobody would dismiss his victory just because he got to play his best matchup. I don't understand how many times he has to prove himself before people will take him seriously. Personally I think Serral is better right now than Neeb ever was, and Serral's 2018 will most likely be even more dominant than Neeb was in 2017. Even if Neeb beats Serral now my opinion won't change on that. But that doesn't take anything away from what Neeb accomplished. At one moment in time Neeb was the best PvPer in the world and it was a great moment. He went on to earn more prize money in 2017 than any non Korean has ever earned in a single year. He's either extremely lucky or maybe he's actually good at Starcraft. | ||
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Topin
Peru10124 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 17 2018 12:25 SoupKitchenInMyPants wrote: Jesus what is with the Neeb haters. If Neeb was Korean but won the exact same tournament in the exact same way nobody would dismiss his victory just because he got to play his best matchup. I don't understand how many times he has to prove himself before people will take him seriously. Personally I think Serral is better right now than Neeb ever was, and Serral's 2018 will most likely be even more dominant than Neeb was in 2017. Even if Neeb beats Serral now my opinion won't change on that. But that doesn't take anything away from what Neeb accomplished. At one moment in time Neeb was the best PvPer in the world and it was a great moment. He went on to earn more prize money in 2017 than any non Korean has ever earned in a single year. He's either extremely lucky or maybe he's actually good at Starcraft. Thats complete bullshit. If a Korean player was unable to compete (on the elite level) in 2/3 matchups and somehow won a tournament playing only the 1/3, in the only time where the meta allowed them to do so, they would be called the biggest patchtoss/bracket luck winner of all time. The only reason that win is remembered as anything special is because Neeb's American. He literally gets bonus treatment because he's a foreigner, not the other way around. And before you think I'm some blind Neeb hater, I actually think he's better than Serral right now and still the best foreigner. He should have won the series they played at IEM if not for technical issues. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
edit: And he loses a second medivac and another 8 marines. Brutal. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 17 2018 12:36 Morbidius wrote: Well if we are going to talk about lucky runs, Zest's 2014 was built on his phenomenal PvP, other protosses eliminated zergs and terrans for him.. (And soO threw that final) PvP was his best matchup, but he was still the best PvZ player in the world. His 2014 run included beating Soulkey, soO, and Life (who were at the time the best zergs) multiple times. His PvT was always a weak point however. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
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seopthi
401 Posts
On March 17 2018 12:47 chipmonklord17 wrote: if Raynor had waited until that viper had blinding cloud he wins the game immediately yes, that or having the overseer closer to see the ghosts would both possibly end the game | ||
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