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On November 12 2017 16:39 Noonius wrote: not enough zerg, IMO ZvZ is the only matchup worthy of finals  | ||
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Penev
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On November 12 2017 16:39 Noonius wrote: not enough zerg, IMO spoken like a true infested terran | ||
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On November 12 2017 22:36 Heartland wrote: All coffee outside of Sweden tends to be bad Ehem. | ||
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Heartland
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NarutO
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On November 12 2017 22:49 sneakyfox wrote: I wish all the Korean players were as good at English as Solar is. It's so much better when they can be interviewed in English. Very interesting to listen to what they think. There is no real difference when they answer in Korean and we have it translated :D | ||
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On November 12 2017 22:51 NarutO wrote: There is no real difference when they answer in Korean and we have it translated :D Even if they say the same thing, it's better when they know English. It helps convey personality better and improves the pacing of the interview. Knowing English is also good for making fans and for streaming. | ||
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Mozdk
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NarutO
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On November 12 2017 22:54 Zzoram wrote: Even if they say the same thing, it's better when they know English. It helps convey personality better and improves the pacing of the interview. Knowing English is also good for making fans and for streaming. I actually disagree. I would very much prefer to see the real emotion in their own language. I think even if you speak English fluently a little bit always gets lost. Obviously it would be better for making fans and streaming but I really dont think its important. | ||
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yht9657
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On November 12 2017 22:54 Zzoram wrote: Even if they say the same thing, it's better when they know English. It helps convey personality better and improves the pacing of the interview. Knowing English is also good for making fans and for streaming. ...so Korean players need to master a foreign language completely different from their own to have as many fans as foreigners who don't have to learn Korean while playing much worse... Fair enough. | ||
Inflicted
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Ansibled
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Topin
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sick engagement | ||
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Ysellian
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Snute had a great engagement though. Looking good. | ||
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Boggyb
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On November 12 2017 23:06 usopsama wrote: "I don't think it is a balance problem," says a zerg. While I've heard players express happiness over changes being made, the only players I've heard say anything positive about balance are Zerg players. That includes a player who complained about a match up that the Blizzcon champion made his name winning. Maybe other people have said positive things about it that I just haven't heard, but yeah. | ||
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GoloSC2
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On November 12 2017 23:18 Nakajin wrote: Who's the blond guy on the couch? fear, young german protoss | ||
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Penev
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On November 12 2017 23:31 The_Red_Viper wrote: cmon impact, we need the all korean ro4 but then we don't get a ZvZ finals | ||
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On November 13 2017 00:18 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Boy... Slow LR today. Slowest yet by far Yeah, sucks. | ||
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Durnuu
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On November 13 2017 00:18 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Boy... Slow LR today. Slowest yet by far Especially surprising considering it's Sunday vs Thursday/friday | ||
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On November 13 2017 00:22 Durnuu wrote: Especially surprising considering it's Sunday vs Thursday/friday Maybe everyone is hung over. Or people really just don't like zvz | ||
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Boggyb
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On November 13 2017 00:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Maybe everyone is hung over. Or people really just don't like zvz The only good ZvZ is when Rogue is winning Blizzcon. | ||
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Heartland
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On November 13 2017 00:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Maybe everyone is hung over. Or people really just don't like zvz Those facts didn't stop me! | ||
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Penev
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On November 13 2017 00:23 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Maybe everyone is hung over. Or people really just don't like zvz It should pick up It kinda already has, let's keep talking about it | ||
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Meanwhile only one protoss in the year end blizzcon and many wcs tournaments with only neeb but there was no whining then. | ||
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On November 13 2017 00:29 youngjiddle wrote: Terrans whining about only one Terran in top 8 in a fun new balance test map tournament. Meanwhile only one protoss in the year end blizzcon and many wcs tournaments but there was no whining then. people are still busy thinking Protoss op, no matter the situation | ||
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On November 13 2017 00:29 youngjiddle wrote: Terrans whining about only one Terran in top 8 in a fun new balance test map tournament. Meanwhile only one protoss in the year end blizzcon and many wcs tournaments but there was no whining then. We had a Zerg pro complain about the previous state of late game Protoss at this tournament despite a ZvZ finals at Blizzcon including a champion who consistently won late game ZvP. | ||
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Boggyb
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On November 13 2017 00:38 SoleSteeler wrote: How does Terran win? Play PtitDrogo, FeaR, or Mana. | ||
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On November 13 2017 00:29 youngjiddle wrote: Terrans whining about only one Terran in top 8 in a fun new balance test map tournament. Meanwhile only one protoss in the year end blizzcon and many wcs tournaments with only neeb but there was no whining then. But at the end Neeb won his tournaments. | ||
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Topin
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On November 13 2017 00:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Poor Terran. i missed the games... was it that bad?  | ||
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Penev
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On November 13 2017 00:38 SoleSteeler wrote: How does Terran win? get infested | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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I mean Stats probably should beat alive anyway but looks hard right now | ||
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Boggyb
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On November 13 2017 00:42 geokilla wrote: Wow I'm surprised Scarlett made it into the quarter finals. Is she back in form? Zerg crazy OP. Probably not OP enough for her to win, but it is possible. | ||
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yht9657
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Or maybe next time when Innovation beats patience we should all agree Terran is OP? | ||
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On November 13 2017 00:41 Lexender wrote: But at the end Neeb won his tournaments. That happens when someone's skill was so much higher than everyone else. my point was their whining isn't fair. | ||
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Penev
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On November 13 2017 00:44 Boggyb wrote: Zerg crazy OP. Probably not OP enough for her to win, but it is possible. hey, I thought you were busy thinking protoss is op | ||
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On November 13 2017 00:44 yht9657 wrote: Even in his prime early this year aLive was no match for Stats so I don't see the point of whining. Or maybe next time when Innovation beats patience we should all agree Terran is OP? Ofc we should, innovation is only winning when terran is op | ||
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On November 13 2017 00:44 Penev wrote: hey, I thought you were busy thinking protoss is op I can't remember the last time I thought Protoss was OP in PvZ. | ||
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On November 13 2017 00:46 Boggyb wrote: I can't remember the last time I thought Protoss was OP in PvZ. to be fair, that Oracle build is pretty op | ||
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On November 13 2017 00:48 Heartland wrote: to be fair, that Oracle build is pretty op I saw Rogue shut it down way too hard too many times for me to agree. | ||
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On November 13 2017 00:49 Boggyb wrote: I saw Rogue shut it down way too hard too many times for me to agree. That's the Taeja argument. Rogue was better against it but it was still pretty bs | ||
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On November 13 2017 00:46 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ofc we should, innovation is only winning when terran is op Good point, you really got me there. | ||
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On November 13 2017 00:52 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: That's the Taeja argument. Rogue was better against it but it was still pretty bs It's the Rogue is the only Zerg I ever go out of my way to watch argument. How did Dark do against it? | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On November 13 2017 00:55 Boggyb wrote: It's the Rogue is the only Zerg I ever go out of my way to watch argument. How did Dark do against it? Don't recall any Dark vs Oracle games. I'm terrible at remembering specific games though | ||
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On November 13 2017 00:44 Boggyb wrote: Zerg crazy OP. Probably not OP enough for her to win, but it is possible. yeah, was mostly zerg being op that made her win vs the zerg guru and the zerg impact | ||
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On November 13 2017 00:44 Boggyb wrote: Zerg crazy OP. Probably not OP enough for her to win, but it is possible. She only played ZvZ in her group though, so I guess she is in form. | ||
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On November 13 2017 00:56 Morbidius wrote: alive just looked completely outclassed here. Didn't even let us see how garbage terran is. pretty much stats just spoke real talk, I want to see some innovation and some new builds from terran. The Terrans at HSC are not on the level of the better korean terrans skill level like stats and even zest level of play. | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:03 Lexender wrote: The thing I can take from these games was how garbage cyclones still are vs air. also the new raven is underwhelming unfortunately | ||
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Topin
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On November 13 2017 01:04 Penev wrote: also the new raven is underwhelming unfortunately have the -armor missile being used at all? | ||
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Penev
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haven't seen it just the scrambler | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:02 youngjiddle wrote: pretty much stats just spoke real talk, I want to see some innovation and some new builds from terran. The Terrans at HSC are not on the level of the better korean terrans skill level like stats and even zest level of play. aLive was 6th among Korean Terrans in WCS Korea points and had he advanced 1 round further in any of his tournaments he would have likely ended 4th. Admittedly, most of his success in 2017 was early in the year, but aLive is not a scrub. I didn't watch any of his interviews. Did he say how much he'd played the test map? | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:16 Heartland wrote: Scarlett looks quite undead. some nice church bells woke me up at 6 am | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:18 Scarlett` wrote: some nice church bells woke me up at 6 am must be a sign! edit: 6 am? Lol, German christians are ruthless | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:18 Scarlett` wrote: some nice church bells woke me up at 6 am Did it hurt you physically? And do you feel the urge to drink zhe blood of zhe living? | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:23 Boggyb wrote: The humor from the players is why Homestory Cup is so great. that's why HSC is the most favorite tourneys for lots of fans and players :D | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:25 D-light wrote: These introductions are almost as hype as Serral's would've been. Almost  | ||
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RaFox17
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On November 13 2017 01:29 Boggyb wrote: Zerg being strong late game doesn't necessarily mean that you can turtle and auto win. If you let your opponent get a great economy for free, you're going to have issues. Seems like Z and P just swapped places and now Z actually wants the lategame. | ||
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Heartland
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On November 13 2017 01:39 virpi wrote: Just tuned in. What year is it? 2011 | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:39 Boggyb wrote: Scarlett is winning this game 100%. Guess she goes 3-0 because it's not like it's possible to do anything else this tournament. | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:39 virpi wrote: Just tuned in. What year is it? Its the Year of Harstem Casting | ||
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no zest best | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:40 Morbidius wrote: Air toss is dead, good riddance. Traded for infestor broodlord 2.0. Noice. | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:40 Morbidius wrote: Air toss is dead, good riddance. Welcome back BL/Infestor | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:41 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: After skytoss being so hard to kill for so long this is a little bit cathartic to watch. It's OP as fuck though how could we have known it would be OP? | ||
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Mozdk
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This fucking game. Unfixable. | ||
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virpi
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Maybe we're going full circle. Next step: Bunker patch. | ||
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D-light
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On November 13 2017 01:43 virpi wrote: Maybe we're going full circle. Next step: Bunker patch. Maybe if we decrease the bunker build time by 4 seconds they'll stop crying. | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:43 Mozdk wrote: So basicly Protoss will be forced to two base all in again? Because well controlled infestors will just kill anything. This fucking game. Unfixable. Good thing stalkers got buffed | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:44 Boggyb wrote: There was counter play to airtoss. Is there any counter play to BL/Infestor? You counter it by not letting the zerg get there. | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:44 D-light wrote: Maybe if we decrease the bunker build time by 4 seconds they'll stop crying. And a barracks build time reduction. | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:45 D-light wrote: You counter it by not letting the zerg get there. The same counter play to air toss then. | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:45 D-light wrote: You counter it by not letting the zerg get there. Oh man, the flashbacks to Wings of Liberty. Zerg: "How the hell do I stop the Protoss death ball?" Protoss: "Don't let them get there, duh." | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:51 Topin wrote: OT: how does aligulac get the data? They enter it themselves/community enters match data. | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:51 Topin wrote: OT: how does aligulac get the data? Manually inputted by some volunteers | ||
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intotheheart
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Inflicted has more passion though. Is Inflicted the new TLwaifu? | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:54 intotheheart wrote: Shellshock with the godlike passion. :O 90k TL posts, 51k submissions. Inflicted has more passion though. Is Inflicted the new TLwaifu? Inflicted is a god, he is also a top liquipedia contributor | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:55 Durnuu wrote: Inflicted is a god, he is also a top liquipedia contributor Someone hack his account and make him post 100k things. | ||
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On November 13 2017 01:57 virpi wrote: Ugh, the lighting on that map is terrible. they should've called it purple haze | ||
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D-light
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Should've spent some of that archest money on getting the rights to that. | ||
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D-light
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On November 13 2017 02:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote: So how brutal was Stats vs aLive. Regular Stats vs aLive brutal or balance patch PvT brutal? A bit of both. | ||
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This is pretty dire, she's getting hardcore mindgamed | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:03 djraphi23 wrote: I don't get why she played so greedy... ...to get to lategame as fast as possible? | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:04 Paljas wrote: out of the loop, which patch is this on? The one that is coming out on November 14th. | ||
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Penev
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On November 13 2017 02:04 Paljas wrote: out of the loop, which patch is this on? test map | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:05 yht9657 wrote: ...to get to lategame as fast as possible? That's a good way to get killed when the Protoss is inevitably going to all-in you at some point before you get there. | ||
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Paljas
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thanks. first impressions? how are the matchups? is shield restore useful? | ||
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D-light
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On November 13 2017 02:10 Paljas wrote: thanks. first impressions? how are the matchups? is shield restore useful? z looks great, p looks pretty good, t looks not good. shield restore is useful | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:10 Paljas wrote: thanks. first impressions? how are the matchups? is shield restore useful? It is yeah. But most of the talk is about the infested terran buff. You guess why this might be The concensus seem to be Z>P>T | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:10 Paljas wrote: thanks. first impressions? how are the matchups? is shield restore useful? Zerg late game is completely broken. They really should heavily nerf infestors, and nerf carriers into oblivion instead. The chrono-buff, the shield battery, the new stalker, the widow mine nerf put together make TvP insanely hard. There needs to be some change there too. | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:18 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: She's totally dead And as is tradition she's about to win now. | ||
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Zest (in Korean): "I think I played alright." Solar (in English): "I'm shit at this game, everything I did was sloppy." | ||
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leublix
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Still hope we are gonna see some forward recall to break those kind of contains. | ||
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Quateras
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Especially with the players point of view, it looked like both were about to be ahead and win it, i can see why scarlett went for the slight "chase" here that did end up losing the game. | ||
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Scarlett | ||
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intotheheart
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On November 13 2017 02:31 Aegwynn wrote: They should cast rest of the tournament like this! Yeah seriously. | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
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On November 13 2017 02:31 yht9657 wrote: Colossi > Broodlord Nah, that was just Zest > Scarlett | ||
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Solar424
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On November 13 2017 02:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Nah, that was just Zest > Scarlett No throws>throws | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:32 Ansibled wrote: Is that kind of FPV might be a turn off to 'casual' viewers though? Maybe? Looked super exciting to be honest. | ||
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Less throwing > more throwing | ||
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Exactly. Zest made a number of mistakes which made that game a lot closer than it could have been. | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:32 Ansibled wrote: Is that kind of FPV might be a turn off to 'casual' viewers though? They should at least go to the FPV time to time like they do in some WCS events. | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:33 intotheheart wrote: Maybe? Looked super exciting to be honest. I enjoyed it too, though I'm not sure if I'd want it every single game. | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:35 Ansibled wrote: I enjoyed it too, though I'm not sure if I'd want it every single game. Yeah that was a bit chaotic. | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:35 Ansibled wrote: I enjoyed it too, though I'm not sure if I'd want it every single game. It would be cool if it at least became a bigger part of casts even if not the whole game might be done like that. | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:35 D-light wrote: That man hot. Yeah we know that already though. | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:35 Heartland wrote: It would be cool if it at least became a bigger part of casts even if not the whole game might be done like that. Yeah they definitely should use it more. | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:36 Ansibled wrote: Yeah they definitely should use it more. WCS was using it a lot for a while, they stopped for some reason though. Maybe newer players didn't like it but newer players aren't the majority so idk | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:36 Ansibled wrote: Yeah they definitely should use it more. I think it does a pretty good job of showing how hard the game is at the top level, it's certainly exciting but it can make it a bit difficult to tell what exactly is happening | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:40 Paljas wrote: hightlights so far? Today or whole tournament? | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:42 Paljas wrote: whole tournament Stats legendary FFA comeback | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:42 Paljas wrote: whole tournament The FFA was fun with a comeback to remember. | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:46 D-light wrote: Wardi talks to Bly, Bly looks a bit confused and shakes head a little. Must be about the archon strats. Sounds about right for when a masters leaguer tries to strat with a pro | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:49 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Sounds about right for when a masters leaguer tries to strat with a pro Wardi: "Hey, let's macro!" Bly: "What's macro?" | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:50 Boggyb wrote: Wardi: "Hey, let's macro!" Bly: "What's macro?" "That thing you do when your all in doesn't work" "all in again?" "no" ''gg?" "sigh" | ||
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On November 13 2017 03:05 Paljas wrote: what day was the ffa? Yesterday, so Day 3 | ||
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On November 13 2017 03:38 starkiller123 wrote: Namshar seems like a really chill dude Ya he's been pretty good this weekend. Didn't leave an impression on me before this hsc | ||
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On November 13 2017 02:42 Paljas wrote: whole tournament This clip from yesterday was amazing | ||
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On November 13 2017 03:45 Heartland wrote: Oh yeah, Symbol existed The one true Kong | ||
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On November 13 2017 03:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Who came up with 'designated pressure' I forgot Code S player, literally better than Neeb, Noregret | ||
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On November 13 2017 03:49 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Who came up with 'designated pressure' I forgot Noregret I think | ||
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On November 13 2017 03:50 Durnuu wrote: Code S player, literally better than Neeb, Noregret Ah yes of course it was that genius | ||
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Most greedy. If he holds, solar is just not good enough. | ||
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On November 13 2017 03:59 Heartland wrote: Yeah, why isn't InControl there? He was invited to a conference with Mike Morhaime about Starcraft being at the IEM at/near the olympics | ||
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On November 13 2017 03:59 Heartland wrote: Yeah, why isn't InControl there? He was going to be but he then got called up to do that IEM panel with Morhaime some others. | ||
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On November 13 2017 03:59 Heartland wrote: Yeah, why isn't InControl there? "Sad to say I won't be at HSC this time. Was all set to go but got asked to be on a panel with @mikemorhaime and others discussing.. @StarCraft at the olympics. When Intel, Blizz and your game seek YOU to be a voice for this you can't say no. Huge honor." | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:00 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: He was invited to a conference with Mike Morhaime about Starcraft being at the IEM at/near the olympics Ah, okay. Cool stuff | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:00 D-light wrote: "Sad to say I won't be at HSC this time. Was all set to go but got asked to be on a panel with @mikemorhaime and others discussing.. @StarCraft at the olympics. When Intel, Blizz and your game seek YOU to be a voice for this you can't say no. Huge honor." It's so cool we can now say Starcraft is basically an Olympic sport. We're like, archery or some shit now | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:03 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: It's so cool we can now say Starcraft is basically an Olympic sport. We're like, archery or some shit now A good analogy since koreans are the best at that sport too | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:04 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: A good analogy since koreans are the best at that sport too If Koreans were like, 3 inches on average taller, they'd dominate every sport I think | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: If Koreans were like, 3 inches on average taller, they'd dominate every sport I think Not cold enough to be good at ice hockey. | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:08 Solar424 wrote: Not cold enough to be good at ice hockey. I lived in SK for almost 6 years... it definitely is cold enough for ice hockey, and I am Canadian! | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:08 Solar424 wrote: Not cold enough to be good at ice hockey. I recall seeing some Korean speed skaters, so they're not totally unfamiliar with ice. Heck, even North Korea has a hockey team | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:09 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I recall seeing some Korean speed skaters, so they're not totally unfamiliar with ice. Heck, even North Korea has a hockey team Of course North Korea has a team, Glorious Leader is the greatest at all sports. | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:09 Alarak'smanservant wrote: A foreigner in the finals? I'm impressed. Now he's cursed. Bravo. | ||
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Nevermind, not even necessary, Solar is too far ahead | ||
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Not like this Snute | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:32 Penev wrote: I mean you could say he's pulling a TY as well Go full foreigner? Even Koreans can do it | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Panic time to bring out the winfestors The time for chilling has passed. | ||
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he never spent his money, just needed 10 roaches more in position to defend, which was very possible, too bad GG, grats Solar! | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:38 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Losefesters should've gone for winfested terrans instead | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:40 lastride wrote: Snute could have ended it 3-1. He threw that 4th game hard I mean Solar threw game 2 pretty hard also. | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:41 usopsama wrote: The tears from a reverse 3-0 is much more delicious than a simple 3-0 sweep. You can really taste the extra hopefulness. Give them a bit of hope and take it all back the very next moment. | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Solar is going to feel really bad if he loses now lol What did he say? | ||
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He was just confident he'd win because protoss is easy. Not super cocky, more just accurate | ||
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Nothing crazy, just that he dosent care which toss he plays in the finals and he's confident | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:43 D-light wrote: Give them a bit of hope and take it all back the very next moment. Amen. | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:51 starkiller123 wrote: Lol wtf is this song | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:51 starkiller123 wrote: Lol wtf is this song a made at homestorycup classic | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:52 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: a made at homestorycup classic So beautiful | ||
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the best german rap has to offer | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:53 yht9657 wrote: Shit this song is amazing, where can I download it? there's a link on their youtube for it | ||
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On November 13 2017 04:54 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: there's a link on their youtube for it just found it thanks | ||
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we bw now | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:19 The_Red_Viper wrote: Again, Zest will win this tournament and then don't qualify for code s at least the 10000 dollar paycheck would be nice | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:20 starkiller123 wrote: at least the 10000 dollar paycheck would be nice According to google that's almost 6 months average salary in Korea | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:22 Bagration wrote: I took a break after Snute was up 2-0...damn what a comeback this is your fault then. snute would have won if you were watching | ||
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targeting units with your drop while winning the main fight at same time | ||
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Shield batteries are damn good and only Stats doesn't know that. If he had two(150 minerals) in the main he would have blocked the drop by saving the pylon and warping in units. Also in game 1 he could have won if he built bunch of SB instead of microing his units retreating to main | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:26 Zzzapper wrote: Zest is well on his way to match Taeja's 17 homestory cups He is the last titan after all 2 HSC wins should make him GOAT | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:28 intotheheart wrote: How many EPS is an HSC? Like 0.25 I say. | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:28 intotheheart wrote: How many EPS is an HSC? at least 5 | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:28 intotheheart wrote: How many EPS is an HSC? More than 6 | ||
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Way to just discredit the GOAT foreigner HasuObs' achievements. | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:27 The_Red_Viper wrote: He is the last titan after all 2 HSC wins should make him GOAT I hadn't read that article so I looked it up and this line stood out [...] soO and INnoVation have all fallen from their primes. | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:30 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Man Hasuobs would love shield batteries damn idd and ToD as well | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:22 Bagration wrote: I took a break after Snute was up 2-0...damn what a comeback Go away so Stats can come back and win 3-2. | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:30 Zzzapper wrote: I hadn't read that article so I looked it up and this line stood out Inno was garbage at the time to be fair. | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:32 Boggyb wrote: Go away so Stats can come back and win 3-2. yes please! i like how the stalker change makes them borderline op in PvT and they are still crap in PvP, protoss just too strong also Stats pls don't attack in to shield batteries again | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:33 Phredxor wrote: Inno was garbage at the time to be fair. That's true, I just found it interesting that the article talks about how Zest was the only great player from the earlier part of SC2 who was still one of the best at that time and now, 1½ year later, he's had a bad year (by Zest standards at least) while Inno and soO have been killing it | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:36 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Immortals are just a good unit the name tells a lot from them | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:38 Boggyb wrote: How did Zest win that fight? Zest is best? | ||
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ZEST IS BEST | ||
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Zest is back! | ||
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Zest too next level | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:38 Boggyb wrote: How did Zest win that fight? Zest warped in units and Stats did not. | ||
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He seems too struggler early on but it doesn't matter in the end. | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Damn Scarlett got screwed having to play Zest first. This guy is winning Sup. Nerchio. | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:38 Boggyb wrote: How did Zest win that fight? Stats didn't have enough stuff in the correct position to punish him for the bad zealot positioning. Basically, it was Archon/Immortal vs. Archon/Immortal. And don't forget the prism. | ||
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He was winning that fight before the reinforcement with his Zealots in the back twiddling their thumbs. | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:39 Ansibled wrote: Can Zest beat Solar? Kinda doubt it. Hope its gonna be close. | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:39 Ansibled wrote: Can Zest beat Solar? i would say no, but then again i thought Stats would beat Zest so i have no idea | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:41 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Being fluently trilingual is very impressive Someone yesterday posted she speaks 5 even | ||
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Any idea what the other two are? | ||
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Nah Was it Naruto who said it? He might know | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:44 Fango wrote: 3rd HSC final in a row...GOAT contender? He needs a VSL championship regardless of the result of the finals. | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:46 Lambertus wrote: I think the translator has a crush on Zest (like me) :D (like all of us) | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:44 Fango wrote: 3rd HSC final in a row...GOAT contender? Maybe if he breaks his back and still wins against Solar's BL/Infestor | ||
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ToD said it on stream yesterday. Also said Rotti speaks 3. | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:50 breaker1328 wrote: ToD said it on stream yesterday. Also said Rotti speaks 3. What are Rotti's 3? :O | ||
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Dutch, English, and soundboard | ||
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On November 13 2017 05:51 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Dutch, English, and soundboard The essential 3. | ||
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Dutch, English and German A lot of Dutchies do tho | ||
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Even my wife that doesnt watch SC2 at all finds him hot! (and I m totally ok with it! ) | ||
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Did this guy not know how to play? | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:10 OsaX Nymloth wrote: "I studied architecture... in my dreams" - Stephano 2017. Good skill to have. | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:12 deacon.frost wrote: I wrote them to build an Incontrol soundboard. Rotti > Incontrol I guess the technology isn't there any more. | ||
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Ones again. | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:18 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: That's the worst bracket graphic I've ever seen With two of the quarterfinals players and scores mixed up. | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:20 HolydaKing wrote: My wish is 4-3 for Solar. yes that would be great | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:18 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: That's the worst bracket graphic I've ever seen Yeah i agree, why would you ever do it like that wtf. No hate though Zest going to win vs ZERG??? | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:22 deacon.frost wrote: Was ToD allways this tatooed or did i just missed so much? He really did a lot of it this year I think , check his instagram | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:22 deacon.frost wrote: Was ToD allways this tatooed or did i just missed so much? He's slowly getting more and more tatted up as the years go by. | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:24 OsaX Nymloth wrote: I love HomeStory Cup I bet @John_Bello doesn't. | ||
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John_Bello: i called him a cuck only once Maynarde the bully | ||
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17 000 people called him a cuck only once also. Seems fair. | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:38 Boggyb wrote: Who even needs BL/Infestor when you can drone rush? Drones so op! | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:38 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: who drone drills in LotV I actually met zerg doing this in masters. Once. | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:39 Charoisaur wrote: what's the counter? Build the wall | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:39 Charoisaur wrote: what's the counter? Early scout and build a full wall. | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:39 Charoisaur wrote: what's the counter? full wall off | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:39 Charoisaur wrote: what's the counter? A full wall (more specifically a brain cause you had like 30 seconds to realize you needed to full wall) | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:40 starkiller123 wrote: i actually can't believe Solar did that Balls (and drones) OV STEEL | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:39 Charoisaur wrote: what's the counter? don't let them get there | ||
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great cast fun games | ||
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Make Aiur Great Again | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:39 Vanadiel wrote: I see Solar has been studying my 2012 Bronze league replays. And it would seem Zest hasn't >: ) I've edited this about 8 times trying to get the smiley to work :'( | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:39 OsaX Nymloth wrote: I actually met zerg doing this in masters. Once. You guys need to play in bronze, I lost to many drone pulls in my days, playing terran | ||
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I knew it. BL/Infestor all over again. just that it hits much earlier | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:40 Nebuchad wrote: A full wall (more specifically a brain cause you had like 30 seconds to realize you needed to full wall) Zest saw the drones before they literally were at his base? | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:42 D-light wrote: Zest saw the drones before they literally were at his base? Didn't he? He had a probe right in front of the lings I just assumed he had Also he had some probes pulled when the push arrived so he must have known right? | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:46 Penev wrote: just one job, don't let the spore die harder than it looks like | ||
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you click on it and press a button | ||
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But what button? that is the question... | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Who said Protoss was UP? Zerg needs a nearly game buff Didn't zerg just win a game using only drones? | ||
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did he have a transfuse ready? | ||
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I know but he still should've been able to oh well | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Who said Protoss was UP? Zerg needs a nearly game buff But only nearly | ||
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idk, but i will pretend he had | ||
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And then it dies anyway. With just ling queen there in that count you aren't saving that. Solar had to be in position to prevent the DTs getting on it at all. | ||
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But you have to find the T on the keyboard man, so hard, need so much skills. | ||
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First no full wall. Then no transfuse. So this is really just a series about which one makes the dumber decisions. | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:49 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: And then it dies anyway. With just ling queen there in that count you aren't saving that. Solar had to be in position to prevent the DTs getting on it at all. probably true | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:48 breaker1328 wrote: Didn't zerg just win a game using only drones? no he had zerglings too | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:52 Boggyb wrote: Didn't Harstem go gold natural on this map against Impact then get murdered by a roach attack? Got slowly murdered by lurkers on the fourth base of Harstem who tried to defend it with distoptors while Impact expanded and eventually won. | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:54 D-light wrote: Got slowly murdered by lurkers on the fourth base of Harstem who was defending with distoptors while Impact expanded and eventually won. in the first series against impact he did die to a roach all in on boardwalk after taking the gold, the disrupter game was in the rematch | ||
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On November 13 2017 06:57 starkiller123 wrote: in the first series against impact he did die to a roach all in on boardwalk after taking the gold, the disrupter game was in the rematch Oh ok, did't catch the first series. | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:00 Penev wrote: noooo, I want BL Infestor.. :/ you are a monster | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:03 chipmonklord17 wrote: So in their update to improve the game for this year they didn't get rid of the super extended warp prism pick up? Did they at least reduce it a little? nope, still the same | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:03 chipmonklord17 wrote: So in their update to improve the game for this year they didn't get rid of the super extended warp prism pick up? Did they at least reduce it a little? it now auto picks up low health units | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:04 virpi wrote: That one reminded me of my games. Decision making at its worst. But Elazer is right: Sometimes it's damn hard to judge if you can go for the kill. But Rotti is right too, he had very little economy back home so you may as well go for it. On November 13 2017 07:04 intotheheart wrote: The Warp Prism control was some amazing stuff. That too. A worse Toss would still have lost. | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:04 virpi wrote: That one reminded me of my games. Decision making at its worst. But Elazer is right: Sometimes it's damn hard to judge if you can go for the kill. Yeah, Solar can't see the enemy supply or production tab as they can ... | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:04 Ysellian wrote: But Rotti is right too, he had very little economy back home so you may as well go for it. Yeah, basically you have to flip the coin. | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:04 Nebuchad wrote: So this would be 4-0 if Zest had countered a drone pull. Yup, early scout and maybe it's a 4-0. | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:06 shid0x wrote: Haven't watched SC2 in a long time, is this modern starcraft ? Looks bloody terrible. This is amazing | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:06 shid0x wrote: Haven't watched SC2 in a long time, is this modern starcraft ? Looks bloody terrible. it's a HSC on a balance test map. i don't think it's really reflective of anything too much | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:06 shid0x wrote: Haven't watched SC2 in a long time, is this modern starcraft ? Looks bloody terrible. sometimes, completely new patch and that was a particularly crazy map | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:06 shid0x wrote: Haven't watched SC2 in a long time, is this modern starcraft ? Looks bloody terrible. Most games have not looked like this. These have been 4 of the shortest games in the tournament. That last game made me really want to see Zest get crushed in a lategame scenario so that my Zerg heart can sleep fine tonight >.> | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: it's a HSC on a balance test map. i don't think it's really reflective of anything too much The most important thing is - it's a HSC. When was the last time HSC was reprezenting how SC2 looks like? Half the players are bad. But are great personalities. C'mon, this tournament is about the mood it gives | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:09 D-light wrote: Solar full tilt Maybe he has vodka in his energy drink | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:09 D-light wrote: Solar full tilt i agree | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:10 Ansibled wrote: When is the next major tournament? WESG | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:09 D-light wrote: Solar full tilt + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/8/80/20141126174613%21FT-Logo-onLight.jpg){kind=logo} | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: it's a HSC on a balance test map. i don't think it's really reflective of anything too much Oh is this on a new balance patch ? I wasn't aware still it doesn't feel that entertaining so far, but the commentary team makes up for it | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:10 Ansibled wrote: When is the next major tournament? next year probably, i forget when that olympics related iem tournament is Edit: never mind i forgot about WESG | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:06 shid0x wrote: Haven't watched SC2 in a long time, is this modern starcraft ? Looks bloody terrible. Its gotten better and its gotten worse, this exact iteration is definitively worse tho. | ||
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Is the winner given another 100k+? | ||
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200k according to liquipiddy it's in march though that's such a long break ;o hopefully we know more about WCS/GSL 2018 soon | ||
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200K | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: 200k according to liquipiddy and i think three koreans qualify instead of two like last year | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:12 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: 200k according to liquipiddy And now with 50% more Koreans fighting for it. | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:16 HolydaKing wrote: what the fuck was solar doing. terrible engagement. Some might say he was tilted. | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:16 Lexender wrote: Immortal/archon the new sentry/immortal. "new" | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:16 HolydaKing wrote: what the fuck was solar doing. terrible engagement. This: On November 13 2017 07:09 D-light wrote: Solar full tilt | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:17 D-light wrote: Solar hair a complete mess. Not a happy guy. I'm sure it only looks awful in comparison to Zest's. | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:18 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: good luck translating Take's rambling speeches One of the few times I wish I spoke Korean - to see how they translate that. | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:16 Lexender wrote: Immortal/archon the new sentry/immortal. Zest. The innovator. | ||
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I mean as in use, sentry/immortal was done to stop zergs for going to BL/Infestor winning before that. I know immortal/archon has been the meta since LotV came out. | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: You haven't truly won HSC until you get absolutely smash the night after And before. | ||
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And the two previous. | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:20 TrAiDoS wrote: HomeStory Cup XVI official Replay Pack fast, nice work | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:21 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: So I don't wanna balance whine toooo much.... but Protoss have won 6 of the last 7 HSCs. This proves that Protoss is easy because you can play it while drunk and tired To be fair, it is the best indicator of skill. Next to the EPS. | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:20 TrAiDoS wrote: HomeStory Cup XVI official Replay Pack sick city, gg wp | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:20 TrAiDoS wrote: HomeStory Cup XVI official Replay Pack Wow | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:20 TrAiDoS wrote: HomeStory Cup XVI official Replay Pack German efficiency OP | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:21 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: So I don't wanna balance whine toooo much.... but Protoss have won 6 of the last 7 HSCs. This proves that Protoss is easy because you can play it while drunk and tired And the one non-protoss winner in MMA didn't need to face a single protoss the whole tournament. | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:22 starkiller123 wrote: great homestory cup as always!!! ^This | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Watch out Solar, Zest looking to out skill you in English too Not anytime soon. | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:19 Lexender wrote: I mean as in use, sentry/immortal was done to stop zergs for going to BL/Infestor winning before that. I know immortal/archon has been the meta since LotV came out. ah makes sense then | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:23 D-light wrote: Was as good of a HSC as you can get without Incontrol's jokes and Serral's player introductions. Add those two plus MC singing for the finale and you have the perfect HSC | ||
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On November 13 2017 07:25 ShowTheLights wrote: I know Take is loaded, but does he make profit from these events? I only ask b/c I love them and I never want them to end I believe he runs fundraisers for these tournaments actually, so the cost isn't entirely out of pocket. | ||
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waiting for the next one tho, as always! | ||
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
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SoleSteeler
Canada5412 Posts
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On November 13 2017 07:28 SoleSteeler wrote: who is that translator? dont think ive noticed her before https://twitter.com/HajinsunTV | ||
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NewModel
Germany124 Posts
On November 13 2017 07:25 chipmonklord17 wrote: God some of these people need to learn to clap in rhythm i can tell you that´s a generell problem here in germany. As always, nice Event next time i will be there again. It´s awsome if you see how far Take has come, since the Days Darkforce got his free Lapdance. | ||
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Shkudde
Netherlands709 Posts
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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Shathe
Hungary422 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On November 13 2017 07:36 Fango wrote: I missed the final :/ but amazing result from Zest. Only annoying thing now is that he was 1 map away from winning 3 HSC in a row that's why TaeJa is the goat and not Zest | ||
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Boggyb
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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Penev
28453 Posts
On November 13 2017 08:07 Fango wrote: Are you serious Zest was 5 army supply to 70?? His whole army was 2 prisms and an observer? I really hope Solar doesn't watch that reply He might have realized it already he looked very tilted | ||
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blunderfulguy
United States1415 Posts
Until next time, when the world will finally get the shirtless Rotti it's always wanted but doesn't deserve. ;P GGs | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On November 13 2017 09:37 blunderfulguy wrote:Can't wait to hear what the design team thinks of this. I would hope the design team doesn't read too much into these games. Some things are obviously broken (Infestors), but most things require more games from people who've spent more time figuring out the changes. A GSL super tournament type Korean tournament in December that did NOT offer WCS Points would be perfect if yearly major changes are going to be a thing going forward. | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On November 13 2017 11:31 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches? Zest Solar game 2. | ||
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YourFavoriteTerran
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On November 13 2017 11:44 YourFavoriteTerran wrote: My friends and I tuned in for a few moments but found it hard to enjoy it. My buddy said it best- "It's hard to enjoy the tournament because the patch clearly destroyed terran. Should one race really be completely butchered just because 2-3 terrans are the best in the world?". Can't say I disagree. It is a design patch, not a balance patch. There are some flaws in balance, but they didn't nerf Terran into the ground because of INnoVation. Had they been making balance changes, Zerg would have been nerfed based on the last few months. It is also unfair to really read too much into balance considering the huge variations in skill and preparation from the players. If we see broken things like BL/Infestor winning at a Korean tournament in a month or two, then yeah, raging would be a lot more reasonable. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On November 13 2017 11:44 YourFavoriteTerran wrote: My friends and I tuned in for a few moments but found it hard to enjoy it. My buddy said it best- "It's hard to enjoy the tournament because the patch clearly destroyed terran. Should one race really be completely butchered just because 2-3 terrans are the best in the world?". Can't say I disagree. It's not that they butchered Terran. They have made design changes that aren't even live yet. There will be balance patches after the release. | ||
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
On November 13 2017 07:57 Shathe wrote: The best thing for me was that Zest completely slaughtered Stats. I think the changes will favor his style much. I don't want to read too much into these games, however it seems like they are evenly matched in terms of mechanics, but this patch plays a bit more to Zests strenghts which have always been his decision-making, positioning and engagments | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 13 2017 11:44 YourFavoriteTerran wrote: My friends and I tuned in for a few moments but found it hard to enjoy it. My buddy said it best- "It's hard to enjoy the tournament because the patch clearly destroyed terran. Should one race really be completely butchered just because 2-3 terrans are the best in the world?". Can't say I disagree. You do realize this tournament had exactly 1 good Terran player and this Terran player met a really strong Protoss in the RO8? The next good Terran to aLive was jjakji and while I don't want to be mean - he's nowhere near Stats, Zest or Solar.(the 2 latter kicked him out of the tourney BTW) C'mon, based on this tourney we can talk about PvZ balance and how it affects mirror matches and that's, sadly, all. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On November 13 2017 18:02 deacon.frost wrote: You do realize this tournament had exactly 1 good Terran player and this Terran player met a really strong Protoss in the RO8? The next good Terran to aLive was jjakji and while I don't want to be mean - he's nowhere near Stats, Zest or Solar.(the 2 latter kicked him out of the tourney BTW) C'mon, based on this tourney we can talk about PvZ balance and how it affects mirror matches and that's, sadly, all. this tournament alone doesn't indicate that terran is weak but pro players from all 3 races agree that terran is to weak. Also when 1 race gets only nerfs while the other two get mostly buffs it's clear they will be struggling post-patch assuming the matchups were balanced before. I don't think we have to wait for GSL to realize that terran is weak. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 13 2017 18:29 Charoisaur wrote: this tournament alone doesn't indicate that terran is weak but pro players from all 3 races agree that terran is to weak. Also when 1 race gets only nerfs while the other two get mostly buffs it's clear they will be struggling post-patch assuming the matchups were balanced before. I don't think we have to wait for GSL to realize that terran is weak. Yes, in this way I agree. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On November 13 2017 18:29 Charoisaur wrote: this tournament alone doesn't indicate that terran is weak but pro players from all 3 races agree that terran is to weak. Also when 1 race gets only nerfs while the other two get mostly buffs it's clear they will be struggling post-patch assuming the matchups were balanced before. I don't think we have to wait for GSL to realize that terran is weak. You would be correct except that Terran got buffs, and Protoss got nerfs as well. It would be more correct to say that both P and T got buffs and nerfs. The removal of the MSC is a massive nerf to early game defense, and the SB only partially makes up for it. However, the SB in mid game combined with the stalker change is a buff as well as the new chrono. I still say it's too early to change anything major aside from how fast oracles come out. Besides, at last year's patch when Protoss got the short end of the stick, people advocated waiting for the meta to settle. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On November 13 2017 19:34 FrkFrJss wrote: You would be correct except that Terran got buffs, and Protoss got nerfs as well. It would be more correct to say that both P and T got buffs and nerfs. The removal of the MSC is a massive nerf to early game defense, and the SB only partially makes up for it. However, the SB in mid game combined with the stalker change is a buff as well as the new chrono. I still say it's too early to change anything major aside from how fast oracles come out. Besides, at last year's patch when Protoss got the short end of the stick, people advocated waiting for the meta to settle. I realize that the MSC removal is a big nerf but most people seem to think the new chronoboost + shield battery + stalker buff more than make up for it. Which buff did terran get that is significant? | ||
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Gurbak
France622 Posts
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BjoernK
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On November 13 2017 19:51 Charoisaur wrote: I realize that the MSC removal is a big nerf but most people seem to think the new chronoboost + shield battery + stalker buff more than make up for it. Which buff did terran get that is significant? No race got changed as much as Protoss, that is true. But the issue isn't that Zerg and Protoss got buffed while Terran got nerfed. Terran did receive some token buffs as well as a raven redesign. The main nerf that Terran received was the mine nerf, and I don't think it's significant enough to drop T winrates or make them by far the worse race. The SB, as I've maintained, is bad because it scales too well in the mid-late game. Because you can spam SBs, you can make base defense way more powerful than it should be. However, I have also maintained that the SB is not sufficient to protect Protoss against early pressure. It doesn't kill the units, which is what Protoss needs, and stalkers are fairly expensive early game units even though they have survivability and damage now. I think the other issue is that we had no really high level Terran at HSC. Some things that seem op may not necessarily be op until the best of the best take a solid crack at it. Certainly, the new chrono + oracle might need a tweak. But perhaps it just requires a couple months of experimentation to deal with the other Protoss changes. For instance, if P is building more stalkers and SBs, perhaps ghosts could be mixed in. You drop the ghost, emp, and then wipe out the defending forces because the SB has a max of 100 energy. Even though it was annoying seeing Protoss with low winrates in January, with minimal tweaking, Protoss still did become about even with Terran, which I think needs to happen here. And ultimately, if things are overpowered, then they can be changed. | ||
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Austria24417 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On November 13 2017 22:08 Olli wrote: I do think shield batteries are sufficient early game defense, perhaps even a bit too strong/cheap at the moment. And I generally agree that Terran will need a bit of help to keep up, but we're talking about a patch that isn't even live yet. It'll be figured out soon. Yeah it's hard to say what Terran needs until we see Inno, TY, Gumiho and Co play, but they need something. I'm confident that it will be fine before WCS 2018 though. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On November 13 2017 20:52 FrkFrJss wrote: Certainly, the new chrono + oracle might need a tweak. How do you make that tweak without reverting the chrono change or completely destroying stargate openers? | ||
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Olli
Austria24417 Posts
On November 13 2017 23:46 Boggyb wrote: How do you make that tweak without reverting the chrono change or completely destroying stargate openers? Surely you can have oracles build a bit slower without completely ruining SG openings. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On November 13 2017 23:57 Olli wrote: Surely you can have oracles build a bit slower without completely ruining SG openings. Is this really that big? I mean - if you see a Protoss stacking energy do you know what's coming or do they have another possibilities? (let's assume T hasn't seen any tech building that would be good for CB) I didn't catch any PvT so I have no clue TBH, being curious. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On November 14 2017 02:00 Shellshock wrote: Zest approaching TaeJa levels of greatness Approaching but will never reach. Because he never played for TL | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On November 14 2017 02:09 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Approaching but will never reach. Because he never played for TL Liquid`Zest when? | ||
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YourFavoriteTerran
33 Posts
On November 13 2017 20:52 FrkFrJss wrote: No race got changed as much as Protoss, that is true. But the issue isn't that Zerg and Protoss got buffed while Terran got nerfed. Terran did receive some token buffs as well as a raven redesign. The main nerf that Terran received was the mine nerf, and I don't think it's significant enough to drop T winrates or make them by far the worse race. The SB, as I've maintained, is bad because it scales too well in the mid-late game. Because you can spam SBs, you can make base defense way more powerful than it should be. However, I have also maintained that the SB is not sufficient to protect Protoss against early pressure. It doesn't kill the units, which is what Protoss needs, and stalkers are fairly expensive early game units even though they have survivability and damage now. I think the other issue is that we had no really high level Terran at HSC. Some things that seem op may not necessarily be op until the best of the best take a solid crack at it. Certainly, the new chrono + oracle might need a tweak. But perhaps it just requires a couple months of experimentation to deal with the other Protoss changes. For instance, if P is building more stalkers and SBs, perhaps ghosts could be mixed in. You drop the ghost, emp, and then wipe out the defending forces because the SB has a max of 100 energy. Even though it was annoying seeing Protoss with low winrates in January, with minimal tweaking, Protoss still did become about even with Terran, which I think needs to happen here. And ultimately, if things are overpowered, then they can be changed. Typing stuff doesn't make it true. The fact that terrans couldnt qualify and then got 3-0'd every single round should be a red alert that the balance team is failing. HSC last year had more than 15,000 people watching. This was probably the first SC2 tournament I can think of that I literally just turned off and stopped caring about. I don't know who won, doesn't really matter because the patch is clearly developed by someone who can't play terran and doesn't know high level gameplay. we didn't get to see it here, but if this 'balance' patch doesn't get fixed, my friends and I have practiced a 2-3 nexus early forge chronoboost on armor. If you don't die in 1 minute after starting it, you win the game almost no matter what because terran will be on +1 maybe halfway to 2 and protoss will already be on 3. One race should not be completely gutted and butchered just because 2-3 people on the planet are on another level than everyone else. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On November 14 2017 04:27 YourFavoriteTerran wrote: Typing stuff doesn't make it true. The fact that terrans couldnt qualify and then got 3-0'd every single round should be a red alert that the balance team is failing. HSC last year had more than 15,000 people watching. This was probably the first SC2 tournament I can think of that I literally just turned off and stopped caring about. I don't know who won, doesn't really matter because the patch is clearly developed by someone who can't play terran and doesn't know high level gameplay. we didn't get to see it here, but if this 'balance' patch doesn't get fixed, my friends and I have practiced a 2-3 nexus early forge chronoboost on armor. If you don't die in 1 minute after starting it, you win the game almost no matter what because terran will be on +1 maybe halfway to 2 and protoss will already be on 3. One race should not be completely gutted and butchered just because 2-3 people on the planet are on another level than everyone else. I agree that some of what I said was theorycrafting, and sometimes, things need to be changed. Aside from the fact that Terrans didn't get 3-0ed every round, I can point to the fact uThermal beat Neeb I think 3-1 when Neeb has been the best foreigner by far for 2017. If your counterpoint is that Neeb isn't at the highest skill level and then point to aLive and jjakji getting wrecked, then I will say the same thing. Those are players are simply not on the same level as the players they were playing against. At HSC, the top 5 Terrans were nowhere to be seen, whereas two of the top 5 Protoss were here, and a top 4 Zerg was present. And, the thing is, most people are not a top 5 or even top 10 Terran. What might be unholdable at a certain level may be holdable at their level. | ||
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Athenau
569 Posts
The Raven redesign was done explicitly to prevent massing them, and yet we have another cancerous Zerg playstyle that involves massing spellcasters (literal Broodlord/Infestor!), and somehow that's ok? Even supposing that Terrans and Protosses find an answer, what's the benefit to keeping this sort of stuff in the game? Is there any reason to have a super-powerful Zerg air deathball vs a super-powerful Protoss air deathball? What, exactly, is the improvement here? Or does anyone think the game needs more Protoss cheese? Even supposing the meta settles into a somewhat balanced equilibrium, what's the point of doing a big redesign that leaves things worse than before? None of this shit needs to exist. If it's a choice between keeping this crap around to maintain balance or just reverting the changes wholesale, I'd pick the latter any day of the week. Fortunately, I don't think that that's necessary. Blizzard can probably fix most of this with some minor tweaks. But what they definitely shouldn't do is sit on their ass for eight months waiting for players to solve a problem that they caused ala WoL. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On November 13 2017 23:57 Olli wrote: Surely you can have oracles build a bit slower without completely ruining SG openings. You could do that, but I don't think oracles are the core problem in PvT. Better chrono, better stalkers, shield battery, the widow mine nerf all put together just gives Protoss so many more options in the opening (which from a build diversity perspective is pretty good tbf). And terran just struggles to deal with all the different things Protoss can do. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On November 14 2017 07:51 Athenau wrote:I don't understand the rationale behind this "wait and see" attitude, apart from blatant self-interest. Because sometimes things aren't imbalanced but appear to be because players aren't responding correctly. Take Adept Phoenix vs. Terran last year. Terran's refused to adapt their play style, got murdered (trying to drop against an opponent with lots of phoenix? LOL), then screamed IMBA. Was that really imbalanced? We have no way of knowing because Blizzard immediately nerfed adepts rather than forcing Terran players to figure it out then changing things if they couldn't. | ||
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Athenau
569 Posts
On November 14 2017 08:50 Boggyb wrote: Because sometimes things aren't imbalanced but appear to be because players aren't responding correctly. Take Adept Phoenix vs. Terran last year. Terran's refused to adapt their play style, got murdered (trying to drop against an opponent with lots of phoenix? LOL), then screamed IMBA. Was that really imbalanced? We have no way of knowing because Blizzard immediately nerfed adepts rather than forcing Terran players to figure it out then changing things if they couldn't. You completely missed the point. Balance is not the issue. What is the point of doing a redesign if the gameplay that arises is worse than before? Do you really think, for example, that T/P players will find a response that makes massing infestors unviable? And if so, do you think that we should wait months waiting for this miracle to materialize? | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On November 14 2017 08:50 Boggyb wrote: Because sometimes things aren't imbalanced but appear to be because players aren't responding correctly. Take Adept Phoenix vs. Terran last year. Terran's refused to adapt their play style, got murdered (trying to drop against an opponent with lots of phoenix? LOL), then screamed IMBA. Was that really imbalanced? We have no way of knowing because Blizzard immediately nerfed adepts rather than forcing Terran players to figure it out then changing things if they couldn't. Not only that, but the "wait and see" attitude was how most people and Blizzard responded to Protoss being weak in December through January. And what happened? Protoss developed the Phoenix/adept style to counter the heavy liberator and mine style. On November 14 2017 07:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote: You could do that, but I don't think oracles are the core problem in PvT. Better chrono, better stalkers, shield battery, the widow mine nerf all put together just gives Protoss so many more options in the opening (which from a build diversity perspective is pretty good tbf). And terran just struggles to deal with all the different things Protoss can do. For the early game, I think it's oracles + new chrono. For the mid game, I think Terran is hampered by Shield battery + stalkers or adepts making drops so much less useful. The widow mine nerf really only nerfs the multiple shot potential of mines and keeps their initial strength similarly powerful. Potentially, the buff to stalkers indirectly nerfed the mine because of the range difference. | ||
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
On November 14 2017 05:00 FrkFrJss wrote: I agree that some of what I said was theorycrafting, and sometimes, things need to be changed. Aside from the fact that Terrans didn't get 3-0ed every round, I can point to the fact uThermal beat Neeb I think 3-1 when Neeb has been the best foreigner by far for 2017. If your counterpoint is that Neeb isn't at the highest skill level and then point to aLive and jjakji getting wrecked, then I will say the same thing. Those are players are simply not on the same level as the players they were playing against. At HSC, the top 5 Terrans were nowhere to be seen, whereas two of the top 5 Protoss were here, and a top 4 Zerg was present. And, the thing is, most people are not a top 5 or even top 10 Terran. What might be unholdable at a certain level may be holdable at their level. Wasn't Neeb busy practicing vanilla LotV (current ladder patch) PvZ for blizzcon whereas uThermal played the test map as every other failing foreigner did tho? Plus it's probably an outlier, I only watched liquipedia results but terrans got wrecked in this HSC and in the comments people were saying that almost all pros agreed on terran being weak or something. It's now time to discuss it, better safe than sorry so if there is an obvious issue Blizzard has to take notes before going live with it? Glad to see HSC still going, too bad Stephano still couldn't perform. | ||
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Athenau
569 Posts
On November 14 2017 08:59 FrkFrJss wrote: Not only that, but the "wait and see" attitude was how most people and Blizzard responded to Protoss being weak in December through January. And what happened? Protoss developed the Phoenix/adept style to counter the heavy liberator and mine style. And then liberators and mines got nerfed. Also, phoenix adept was invented before Protoss underperformed at the beginning of this year, so I don't think you can characterize that as a new development. At most you can say that that style became more prevalent as a response. Regardless, this is all besides the point. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On November 14 2017 08:59 Athenau wrote: You completely missed the point. Balance is not the issue. What is the point of doing a redesign if the gameplay that arises is worse than before? Do you really think, for example, that T/P players will find a response that makes massing infestors unviable? And if so, do you think that we should wait months waiting for this miracle to materialize? Infestors need to be nuked from orbit. That's the one issue which doesn't require a wait and see. The fact that a player like Scarlett who has never won anything of note was in an unlosable position against a multi-GSL champion despite not entering late game massively ahead is more than enough evidence that the unit is broken. Pretty much everything requires a lot more evidence to make informed decisions. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On November 14 2017 09:03 Poopi wrote: Wasn't Neeb busy practicing vanilla LotV (current ladder patch) PvZ for blizzcon whereas uThermal played the test map as every other failing foreigner did tho? Plus it's probably an outlier, I only watched liquipedia results but terrans got wrecked in this HSC and in the comments people were saying that almost all pros agreed on terran being weak or something. It's now time to discuss it, better safe than sorry so if there is an obvious issue Blizzard has to take notes before going live with it? Glad to see HSC still going, too bad Stephano still couldn't perform. Again, there were fewer and worse Terrans at HSC, which artificially inflates the loss ratio. Put two top five Terrans there like Inno and TY, and suddenly I don't think Terran looks as underpowered. Also, I have to keep going back to January. This was two months after the redesign, and Protoss had an overall winrate of 41%. That winrate is much lower than the TvP winrate at HSC. As for TvZ, I can't really speak for that matchup. All that being said, if after like two-four weeks, if there is still blatantly op or up stuff, then I do support appropriate buffs/nerfs. | ||
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Athenau
569 Posts
On November 14 2017 09:06 Boggyb wrote: Infestors need to be nuked from orbit. That's the one issue which doesn't require a wait and see. The fact that a player like Scarlett who has never won anything of note was in an unlosable position against a multi-GSL champion despite not entering late game massively ahead is more than enough evidence that the unit is broken. Pretty much everything requires a lot more evidence to make informed decisions. Why not put super-fast Oracles in that category as well? How does having potentially game-ending damage available that early in the game make things better? Wasn't one of their goals for this patch to tone that sort of stuff down? The shield battery and stalker changes, I agree, need more time, if only because the general direction is good even if balance might need tweaking. But I don't see any reason for Oracles to stay the way they are. "Lol ur dead" isn't fun for anyone even if it somehow ends up balanced. | ||
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Athenau
569 Posts
On November 14 2017 09:09 FrkFrJss wrote: Again, there were fewer and worse Terrans at HSC, which artificially inflates the loss ratio. Put two top five Terrans there like Inno and TY, and suddenly I don't think Terran looks as underpowered. Also, I have to keep going back to January. This was two months after the redesign, and Protoss had an overall winrate of 41%. That winrate is much lower than the TvP winrate at HSC. As for TvZ, I can't really speak for that matchup. All that being said, if after like two-four weeks, if there is still blatantly op or up stuff, then I do support appropriate buffs/nerfs. I agree, the Terran field overall at HSC was weaker (though the foreign terrans were competitive, both Heromarine and UThermal were there) and they clearly weren't trying new stuff. So HSC isn't an indication of much except of how stupid infestors are (I don't remember if there were any particularly egregious fast proxy-Oracle games off the top of my head). That said, this is the off-season and Blizzard needs to be more aggressive with changes. Tweaks every two weeks until the dumbest stuff has been ironed sounds fine to me. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On November 14 2017 09:04 Athenau wrote: And then liberators and mines got nerfed. Also, phoenix adept was invented before Protoss underperformed at the beginning of this year, so I don't think you can characterize that as a new development. At most you can say that that style became more prevalent as a response. Regardless, this is all besides the point. True, but the liberator got nerfed at the end of January, two months after the redesign. The widow mine got nerfed in March. The point being, they did change things, but they did it months after the release. EDIT: the Protoss probably hadn't figured out the super fast oracle opening at that point. | ||
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Athenau
569 Posts
On November 14 2017 09:19 FrkFrJss wrote: True, but the liberator got nerfed at the end of January, two months after the redesign. The widow mine got nerfed in March. The point being, they did change things, but they did it months after the release. Yes, but that was during the regular season. It's fine to be more conservative while major tournaments are going on. It's not fine to wait months during the off-season to address glaring design issues that your design patch was supposed to fix. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1205 Posts
On November 14 2017 09:22 Athenau wrote: Yes, but that was during the regular season. It's fine to be more conservative while major tournaments are going on. It's not fine to wait months during the off-season to address glaring design issues that your design patch was supposed to fix. I mean, liberators had been tough for Protoss to deal with ever since they came into being. Tempests being nerfed only made this worse. But, I do agree that the off season is when the more frequent and radical changes should be made. Though, that being said, it's sometimes the competitive nature of the regular season that makes balance problems more prevalent. And sometimes, it's during this time that people figure out the meta. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15880 Posts
On November 14 2017 09:19 Athenau wrote: I agree, the Terran field overall at HSC was weaker (though the foreign terrans were competitive, both Heromarine and UThermal were there) and they clearly weren't trying new stuff. So HSC isn't an indication of much except of how stupid infestors are (I don't remember if there were any particularly egregious fast proxy-Oracle games off the top of my head). That said, this is the off-season and Blizzard needs to be more aggressive with changes. Tweaks every two weeks until the dumbest stuff has been ironed sounds fine to me. What new stuff? the new transformation upgrade? | ||
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Athenau
569 Posts
On November 14 2017 09:26 FrkFrJss wrote: I mean, liberators had been tough for Protoss to deal with ever since they came into being. Tempests being nerfed only made this worse. But, I do agree that the off season is when the more frequent and radical changes should be made. Though, that being said, it's sometimes the competitive nature of the regular season that makes balance problems more prevalent. And sometimes, it's during this time that people figure out the meta. Protoss had to adjust to liberators, but I don't think they were ever a balance problem until tanks got buffed in patch 3.8. And they were never an issue gameplay-wise. Giving Terran a way to play a positional macro game as opposed to "multidrop until one of you dies" or "YOLO SCV pull" will never be a bad thing in my book. Anyway, my argument still stands--if you're redesigning the game, your redesign shouldn't exacerbate problems that you're supposedly trying to fix. | ||
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Athenau
569 Posts
On November 14 2017 09:27 Charoisaur wrote: What new stuff? the new transformation upgrade? Among other things, yes. Servos are really good with Mech (it makes Hellions incredible). Shredder missile is also under-rated, IMO. It hits much more reliably, lasts a long time, and debuffs a big area. It has potentially huge synergy with bio and starport units (liberator AA and even BC's). Your marines doing +3 damage is no joke (shredder takes armor below 0, so it doesn't even matter if your opponent has upgrades or not). Scrambler may be good against Protoss (locking down up to four archons/colossuses/immortals is a pretty big deal) if you can keep your Ravens safe from feedback, but it's too early to see if this is practical. It's useless against Z of course, the range is too short against the stuff they're meant to be locking down. Repair drone isn't amazing, but it's a decent bonus. The drone lasts for a long time and is super-efficient energy-wise, so at the very least if you have a few Ravens around anyway you're healing up all your mech units for free between fights with a drone or two. I've seen Semper and BeastyQT experiment with the Raven on stream, it's too early to say that it's useless. Terran definitely got the most niche/esoteric changes and it's going to take them the longest to see if any of them work out. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On November 14 2017 09:13 Athenau wrote: Why not put super-fast Oracles in that category as well? How does having potentially game-ending damage available that early in the game make things better? Wasn't one of their goals for this patch to tone that sort of stuff down? The shield battery and stalker changes, I agree, need more time, if only because the general direction is good even if balance might need tweaking. But I don't see any reason for Oracles to stay the way they are. "Lol ur dead" isn't fun for anyone even if it somehow ends up balanced. How do you slow down double chrono proxy oracle enough without destroying stargate openings? | ||
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Athenau
569 Posts
On November 14 2017 09:47 Boggyb wrote: How do you slow down double chrono proxy oracle enough without destroying stargate openings? Which stargate openings do you want to preserve that would get destroyed by slowing down proxy oracle? And who says you need to keep the Oracle itself the way it is? Why not do something radical like remove pulsar beam and reduce stasis ward energy cost to 25? Or make the beam a regular weapon (no energy cost, benefits from upgrades) at the cost of lower damage. There's lots of things they can try, but the first step is acknowledging that it's a problem even if the solution isn't immediately apparent. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On November 14 2017 09:58 Athenau wrote: Which stargate openings do you want to preserve that would get destroyed by slowing down proxy oracle? And who says you need to keep the Oracle itself the way it is? Why not do something radical like remove pulsar beam and reduce stasis ward energy cost to 25? Or make the beam a regular weapon (no energy cost, benefits from upgrades) at the cost of lower damage. There's lots of things they can try, but the first step is acknowledging that it's a problem even if the solution isn't immediately apparent. If you slow down proxy oracle, you slow down non-proxied, non-double chrono'd oracles which already have a very tight window to get damage against players who know what they are doing. If you change Oracles such that they cannot do harassment damage, you completely kill Stargate openings as you'd have absolutely zero way to get early damage or pressure. Opening Stargate would signal to your opponent to play super greedy as you couldn't do anything to touch them for ages. | ||
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Athenau
569 Posts
On November 14 2017 12:34 Boggyb wrote: If you slow down proxy oracle, you slow down non-proxied, non-double chrono'd oracles which already have a very tight window to get damage against players who know what they are doing. If you change Oracles such that they cannot do harassment damage, you completely kill Stargate openings as you'd have absolutely zero way to get early damage or pressure. Opening Stargate would signal to your opponent to play super greedy as you couldn't do anything to touch them for ages. So if the only reason to open stargate is to get damage done with Oracles, then what's the loss? It's not like Protoss doesn't have other ways to apply early pressure (new stalkers and shield battery come to mind). Put it another way. There are two cases. We keep Oracles as is. Best case, Terrans find a response, and the number of viable Terran openings go down (because they now have to account for the earlier timing). On the other hand, we delay the Oracle timing or redesign the unit. Worst case, stargate openings against Terran are dead, but the unit is still useful in the mid/late game. The number of Protoss openings go down, the number of Terran openings stay the same. In both cases one side loses a bit of diversity. But at least the latter gets rid of a frustrating mechanic. And for people complaining about this being unfair to Protoss, keep in mind that Terran has already lost an opening (mine drop), and for the same reason (lowering the occurrence of sudden, game-ending damage). So, what's the virtue of the first approach? Was there some early-game disparity that super-fast Oracles were supposed to address that makes them worth the downside? Did Protoss have too few openings? Terran too many? | ||
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1612 Posts
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On November 14 2017 13:18 Athenau wrote: So if the only reason to open stargate is to get damage done with Oracles, then what's the loss? It's not like Protoss doesn't have other ways to apply early pressure (new stalkers and shield battery come to mind). Put it another way. There are two cases. We keep Oracles as is. Best case, Terrans find a response, and the number of viable Terran openings go down (because they now have to account for the earlier timing). On the other hand, we delay the Oracle timing or redesign the unit. Worst case, stargate openings against Terran are dead, but the unit is still useful in the mid/late game. The number of Protoss openings go down, the number of Terran openings stay the same. In both cases one side loses a bit of diversity. But at least the latter gets rid of a frustrating mechanic. And for people complaining about this being unfair to Protoss, keep in mind that Terran has already lost an opening (mine drop), and for the same reason (lowering the occurrence of sudden, game-ending damage). So, what's the virtue of the first approach? Was there some early-game disparity that super-fast Oracles were supposed to address that makes them worth the downside? Did Protoss have too few openings? Terran too many? You're forgetting Stargate openings in PvZ. | ||
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