EPT[GSL Code S] Season 2 2017 Semi Finals - Day 2 - Page 2
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
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On June 17 2017 06:07 Charoisaur wrote: this is the real finals, Gumiho doesn't stand a chance against either of those. Well that's wrong. With that being said, i can definitely say that Gumiho deserves a win right now, though i really would rather see soO (6 finals, one win) or classic (third starleague title) as the champion | ||
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beepbeeeeeeep
145 Posts
On June 17 2017 03:58 Lorning wrote: why 6 am fuck i'd rather have 6 am than 11 pm. my kids get up at frickin 5:30 am so i'm up anyways | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On June 17 2017 06:05 The_Red_Viper wrote: People simply also want soO to win, it would be beautiful storywise. Another finals, go soO! I love soO but deep down I don't wan't him to actually win, just keep getting 2nd. For the sake of consistancy and memes | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 17 2017 03:11 usopsama wrote: Whoever wins better win in the finals. Someone's salty? Anyways, applying the logic of a certain guy who thinks that Classic is literally a god: Classic has not won offline vZ series in 2 months already. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On June 17 2017 06:43 Fango wrote: I love soO but deep down I don't wan't him to actually win, just keep getting 2nd. For the sake of consistancy and memes Understandable  Though at the same time, how awesome would it be if a win makes him even better (aka he wins a few instead of only getting to the finals) | ||
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AshC
United States328 Posts
I wonder how mind-game heavy this series will be given how well they know each other. Gogo soO (to #6)...!!! | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On June 17 2017 06:49 lolfail9001 wrote: Someone's salty? Anyways, applying the logic of a certain guy who thinks that Classic is literally a god: Classic has not won offline vZ series in 2 months already. Don't think I ever called Classic a god, tbh. Quote me instead of putting words in my mouth? He has a much better shot (than soO) against Gumiho because he's shown that his PvT form is insanely good. But you are exactly right about him not showing much offline PvZ. Classic will probably have a much harder time with soO than Gumiho, if he wins. Or we can use your online logic and conclude that Classic is guaranteed toast since he lost to Impact a couple days ago. And of course we are utterly certain that Classic gave that online match his absolute best, held nothing back, hid no builds, and prepared for weeks. And if it so happens that you were recently also arguing with somebody else about the worth (or lack thereof) of online matches compared to offline matches and a "certain guy" isn't me, feel free to ignore this post Oh and does anybody happen to know what that little bronze thing in the bottom right corner of my post (near the sig) means? I notice that The_Red_Viper, Pandemona, FrostedMiniWheats, have a couple too. It just appeared the other day (or maybe I didn't notice it until then). | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
About online results: I think neglecting it completely is unfair, it definitely shows a trend at least (if the competitive lvl is high enough. Meaning you obviously cannot conclude much if it's simply farming weak opponents) But there are also good reasons to not value it as much as offline matches. So yeah if we have enough offline data i might even say that we don't have to look at online at all. But now without proleague it got harder to justify that tbh. JUst a general thought about the topic without quoting someone directly here. | ||
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Lexender
Mexico2656 Posts
Something tells me he is going to pull a Jjakji and win the whole damn thing. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 17 2017 08:34 pvsnp wrote: Don't think I ever called Classic a god, tbh. Quote me instead of putting words in my mouth? He has a much better shot (than soO) against Gumiho because he's shown that his PvT form is insanely good. But you are exactly right about him not showing much offline PvZ. Classic will probably have a much harder time with soO than Gumiho, if he wins. Or we can use your online logic and conclude that Classic is guaranteed toast since he lost to Impact a couple days ago. And of course we are utterly certain that Classic gave that online match his absolute best, held nothing back, hid no builds, and prepared for weeks. And if it so happens that you were recently also arguing with somebody else about the worth (or lack thereof) of online matches compared to offline matches and a "certain guy" isn't me, feel free to ignore this post Oh and does anybody happen to know what that little bronze thing in the bottom right corner of my post (near the sig) means? I notice that The_Red_Viper, Pandemona, FrostedMiniWheats, have a couple too. It just appeared the other day (or maybe I didn't notice it until then). Are you literally not aware of new meaning of literally? And see, that loss to Impact is the funny one. Because if Classic gets rolled by soO in standard-ish games, i want to see you post explaining how that loss meant literally nothing. | ||
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SidianTheBard
United States2475 Posts
On June 17 2017 09:48 Lexender wrote: Everyone is so salty about Gumiho being in the finals. Something tells me he is going to pull a Jjakji and win the whole damn thing. Which is weird because Gumiho has been crushing nerds as of late. Feels kind of like aLive showing up out of nowhere and crushing kids again. I would have preferred Maru because Maru vs Classic or soO would have been fun imo. Gumiho against soO is probably the best matchup that could happen especially since Gumiho can switch it up and play some awesome mech games. Gumiho vs Classic though, scares me a bit. Not doubting Gumiho's bio though. Either way, soO > gumiho > classic. So if soO beats classic he wins gsl. If classic beats soo, gumiho wins gsl. ezpz! | ||
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Kazi25
Philippines236 Posts
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
However, the odds are in soO's favour to win. I predict 4-3. With regards to offline vs. online results, I tend to agree with pvsnp. Offline games put a lot of pressure on the player, and that effect's their mentality. If you can't deal with the pressure of an offline tournament, then no amount of online wins will help. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On June 17 2017 11:56 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: I know everyone wants soO to win, but really 4-2? Classic isn't a slouch, and I wouldn't be entirely surprised (maybe mildly) if he wins it 4-3. However, the odds are in soO's favour to win 4-3. With regards to offline vs. online results, I tend to agree with pvsnp. Offline games put a lot of pressure on the player, and that effect's their mentality. If you can't deal with the pressure of an offline tournament, then no amount of online wins will help. The score line isn't necessarily reflective of the closeness of the series. Besides even if the players were perfectly matched 4-2s would still happen as often as 4-3s. | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On June 17 2017 12:03 ZigguratOfUr wrote: The score line isn't necessarily reflective of the closeness of the series. Besides even if the players were perfectly matched 4-2s would still happen as often as 4-3s. I agree, but I think calling the match 4-2 is a slight insult to Classic's skill, and I really think he has it in him to give soO a good fight. I guess I'm just reflecting my hopes for a good series that goes the whole 7 games of epic 'holy shit did you fucking see that bane rain from soO' vs 'Classic's HT storm flanks was so clutch' | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On June 17 2017 12:09 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: I agree, but I think calling the match 4-2 is a slight insult to Classic's skill, and I really think he has it in him to give soO a good fight. I guess I'm just reflecting my hopes for a good series that goes the whole 7 games of epic 'holy shit did you fucking see that bane rain from soO' vs 'Classic's HT storm flanks was so clutch' I dunno why a 4-2 would be insulting. If ByuN played against himself I'd predict a 4-2 (in ByuN's favour of course). | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On June 17 2017 09:18 The_Red_Viper wrote: It shows that you contributed a certain amount to liquipedia. These are the liquipedia coins. Different tiers (bronze, silver, gold, etc) and also different number of coins for each tier. About online results: I think neglecting it completely is unfair, it definitely shows a trend at least (if the competitive lvl is high enough. Meaning you obviously cannot conclude much if it's simply farming weak opponents) But there are also good reasons to not value it as much as offline matches. So yeah if we have enough offline data i might even say that we don't have to look at online at all. But now without proleague it got harder to justify that tbh. JUst a general thought about the topic without quoting someone directly here. Ah thanks, I didn't know. Though I think I the last big update I wrote to Liquipedia has been stuck in pending for a few days.... Yeah, I definitely agree with you in that online results are useful and that sometimes you don't have a better alternative. Of course, different online matches get different weights; IEM Katowice qualifiers for instance are online but also very important to everyone involved, so it makes sense to trust them more than say Wardi or Basetrade events. You also bring up a great point with Proleague disbanding. While it was around, Proleague was a reliable source of players' current form, because it was one event that (even more so than GSL) just about every player treated seriously and prepared seriously for. Without it, we lose a big benchmark for current players form. And of course without KeSPA we have a lot more pros in online tournaments which gives us a lot more data to work with, even if said data's quality is questionable at times. I favor offline results much more whenever they are available, especially ones like GSL where we can be reasonably certain that the players are not holding back or otherwise not giving it their best shot. But that's hardly to say that I completely discount online results. I just consider them less significant in measuring form. On June 17 2017 09:54 lolfail9001 wrote: Are you literally not aware of new meaning of literally? And see, that loss to Impact is the funny one. Because if Classic gets rolled by soO in standard-ish games, i want to see you post explaining how that loss meant literally nothing. I did say that I agreed with you that soO would be tough for Classic to beat....not disagreeing here.... | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On June 17 2017 12:21 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I dunno why a 4-2 would be insulting. If ByuN played against himself I'd predict a 4-2 (in ByuN's favour of course). Well i did use 'slight', implying only a minor insult. It's insulting because they don't believe Classic has it in him to take soO to 7 games. If many people thought Classic and soO were close in skill, they would be calling it a 4-3 result, but judging from some of the posters, they truly don't think Classic will beat soO. I view the lack of confidence in Classic to take it to 7 games as an insult. But just to be clear, I don't think Classic can beat soO. soO is just too damn good, and has always shown consistent results. | ||
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pvsnp
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