EPTAvilo Balance Mod Tournament ($800 prize pool) - Page 9
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jedi1982
United States172 Posts
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On May 25 2017 12:00 avilo wrote: Would appreciate if high profile players and others here stop slandering my name. I'm a twitch streamer. I get donations as part of my streaming income. I'm using some of my own income i personally make as a streamer to put up the $500 prize pool myself. $500 is a ton of money for an SC2 tournament, if you don't like the prize pool, please offer to help me find a sponsor for the tourney, or offer to contribute $$$ yourself. What i personally do with my bank account or what i do with money i earn from twitch streaming is quite honestly no one's business here. I was very transparent about my twitch DH donation goal and the entire reason for me making this tournament in the first place is to put back some of the money i earned on twitch to the SC2 community. Honestly you Starcraft people are acting like fucking spoiled brats. SC2 is a dead game comparatively to what it used to be, spending $500 of my income on an SC2 tourney is essentially like burning a pile of cash. But it is quite a bit, and hopefully the tourney will get a lot of views and prove a point that the game we all know and love can get bigger changes without the game being broken. There are a lot of good players signed up right now, and i'd encourage people to test the mod, try out the changes, i think this will be a really surprisingly good tournament with great games and the changes put into action will surprise people. Also, if anyone finds anymore bugs please let me or darkblizzard know. There should be a new version of the mod uploaded tonight that addresses the viking/hellion changes that weren't working. Also p.s. all the people that quite honestly are saying negative shit about my tournament are part of the symptom and problem of what is wrong with this community. Here and on reddit...anyone that tries to do ANYTHING or make any content, or do ANYTHING for this community basically gets shit on for absolutely no reason. It's no wonder most content creators have left SC2 - the negative fuckfaces keep driving everyone away from this game. Please stop it. This post says all you need to know about avilo. In Avilo's world Criticism equals slander Donations to get him to a place he didn't want to go in the first place equals income Anyone who doesn't like the changes to suit him is a "Negative fuckface" And he wonders why everyone hates him. Don't you have fanboys to con? | ||
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Canada2250 Posts
On May 25 2017 12:00 avilo wrote: Also p.s. all the people that quite honestly are saying negative shit about my tournament are part of the symptom and problem of what is wrong with this community. Here and on reddit...anyone that tries to do ANYTHING or make any content, or do ANYTHING for this community basically gets shit on for absolutely no reason. It's no wonder most content creators have left SC2 - the negative fuckfaces keep driving everyone away from this game. Please stop it. You've said this several times about SC2. You accuse the community of being negative, and that's why SC2 is declining in popularity. Yet you fail to realize, which many people here have stated before, content creators don't make SC2 shit because there is more content to create on much better platforms. Also, SC2 is one of, if not the, hardest game to play. Kids don't wanna play a hard game that requires them to look within and find flaws. Hard games mean you will lose sometimes, and that is hard for kids to swallow. So the fucking youth stops playing SC2, and as the years pass we get less blood injected into the system. Kids aren't watching SC2. They are watching Hearthstone, LoL, Dota2, HotS, OW, Minecraft, etc.... No audience? No content creators! We have also said countless times that RTS aren't popular games anymore. If they were, Smite would have made an RTS by now. Developers don't want to waste time on a genre that will not make a good ROI. There is a smaller and smaller audience for RTS, thus less attention to SC2. And you never comment or reply to anyone that brings up these points. Instead, you would rather place blame on a scapegoat. Balance? Hacker? Stream sniping? That is your trifecta of reasons you lose right? | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On May 25 2017 13:25 showstealer1829 wrote: This post says all you need to know about avilo. In Avilo's world Criticism equals slander Donations to get him to a place he didn't want to go in the first place equals income Anyone who doesn't like the changes to suit him is a "Negative fuckface" And he wonders why everyone hates him. Don't you have fanboys to con? I'm perfectly happy if people criticize the tournament and offer feedback. If people want to slander me about my own personal earnings from twitch, they should do it in that other thread here on TL that was closed a few weeks ago. It's clear there are just a select few negative people that keep trying to perpetuate the lie that i scammed money from people when that is not the case and it's just a few negative bad apples that want to slander me because they're unhappy that people donate to my twitch stream. Please keep that shit out of this thread. If you want to criticize the changes that the tournament will be played with, that's fine. Or the tourney format, sure. There's too many people in this thread that are taking away from the positivity of me making this tournament because they personally don't like me. I'm not going to reply further about it as i have a myriad of times, but i'll say again, it's getting really annoying the few negative people that keep trying to slander me on TL and reddit about their own personal discontent for me earning money on twitch and then trying to argue how i should use my own personal bank account. | ||
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
This mod of yours is just a meme. No one that thinks seriously about sc2 will concider these changes good for balance. But hey, it was nice joke and it will be hilarious to watch people actually trying to play it. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
Bullying and continuing giving his name a dirt. Exactly what media do, Congratulation- no wonder media can do what they do when people do the same thing. Some people are different and some are different from the norm. That happens and if you dont get the respond you feel are normal or deserved THEN SO BE IT, MOVE ON. With acceptance we have a better community and world but who cares, right? On May 23 2017 19:23 Liquid`TLO wrote: These are without a doubt the worst ''balance'' changes I've seen in my life. Also didn't you say you'll do the tournament instead of the money raised for your travel to Austin and Katowice, how come it only has a 500 dollar prizepool? Since you dont provide any context i will be fast to judge you aswell. Arent you making a balance mod? No wonder then you come here and shit at these patch notes to make your own mod look better. Also didnt you say you were good at SC2? Yet you were terrible. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On May 25 2017 12:00 avilo wrote: Would appreciate if high profile players and others here stop slandering my name. I'm a twitch streamer. I get donations as part of my streaming income. I'm using some of my own income i personally make as a streamer to put up the $500 prize pool myself. $500 is a ton of money for an SC2 tournament, if you don't like the prize pool, please offer to help me find a sponsor for the tourney, or offer to contribute $$$ yourself. What i personally do with my bank account or what i do with money i earn from twitch streaming is quite honestly no one's business here. I was very transparent about my twitch DH donation goal and the entire reason for me making this tournament in the first place is to put back some of the money i earned on twitch to the SC2 community. Honestly you Starcraft people are acting like fucking spoiled brats. SC2 is a dead game comparatively to what it used to be, spending $500 of my income on an SC2 tourney is essentially like burning a pile of cash. But it is quite a bit, and hopefully the tourney will get a lot of views and prove a point that the game we all know and love can get bigger changes without the game being broken. There are a lot of good players signed up right now, and i'd encourage people to test the mod, try out the changes, i think this will be a really surprisingly good tournament with great games and the changes put into action will surprise people. Also, if anyone finds anymore bugs please let me or darkblizzard know. There should be a new version of the mod uploaded tonight that addresses the viking/hellion changes that weren't working. Also p.s. all the people that quite honestly are saying negative shit about my tournament are part of the symptom and problem of what is wrong with this community. Here and on reddit...anyone that tries to do ANYTHING or make any content, or do ANYTHING for this community basically gets shit on for absolutely no reason. It's no wonder most content creators have left SC2 - the negative fuckfaces keep driving everyone away from this game. Please stop it. First off, the fact that you criticize people for being "negative" is quite ironic, because you're very negative. Do you think people like being called names, and are accused of being hackers and cheaters? So please, spare me the speech about how everyone is sOoOoOoOo negative. This is even weirder when you call people who criticize you "fuckfaces" and "fucking spoiled brats", then say SC2 is a "dead game". Criticism of you specifically isn't "driving people away from the game". If people stop playing, it is for other reasons independent of criticism of something you're doing. Next, some of the criticisms are legitimate. You have not addressed any of the criticism or any of the critiques of the mod. You just go, "If you criticize me, you're hurting SC2, because I'm creating content." and you're so biased against units like Adepts that you don't even consider that you may have made a mistake by taking all of their shields when they shade. Additionally, I'd have to ask what would happen if you met the 3500 dollar goal. Would you go to Dreamhack and then be broke for the next three months, because in your own words, that's your "income". If that's the case, then you could never afford Dreamhack to begin with. But you put up a banner that said "Send Avilo to Dreamhack Austin" and that motivated people to donate. To go "This money is my regular stream money" is incredibly disingenuous for this reason. I understand if you have rent and shit to pay, but if you went Dreamhack, how did you intend to pay your rent if that was all your fucking money? Your story doesn't make any sense, and you refuse to even attempt to explain it. Maybe there's a reasonable explanation, but you haven't done anything but bring out your persecution complex as a retort to detractors. I cannot see you being able to maintain a career as a streamer if you take peoples' money under dubious circumstances, then insult them when they call you on it. People ask you, "Why is the tournament 500 dollars when you received 3000?" and you give some bullshit reply like, "I'd love to give 3,000 dollars to a tournament but I'm not a millionaire and don't have money just laying around, but since you all are millionaires, tell me the secret because I'd love to know." Nobody said they were millionaires. They saw you receive 3000 dollars, and see you are hosting a tournament for 500, and you can't give a straight answer as to why. If you bought some clothes or a car or something, just come out and say it. Before you even go, "I had bills to pay, but I guess not everyone knows what that's like." then I would ask you how you intended to pay those bills if you went to Dreamhack. Moreover, the fact that you have 500 dollars to begin with does not give you impunity when it comes to criticism. You calling 'the community' toxic does nothing to help your cause, especially when you, yourself, have treated people in the community very badly. Failing to address concerns about the mod only reinforces peoples' perception of how you approach interacting with the community. For example, how is a Protoss player supposed to stop a bunker rush? How is Protoss supposed to win PvZ when they already have difficulty dealing with hydras and lurkers in the live version? But sure, it's the community's fault because a minority of people voiced some opinions you don't like. If you're going to be a dick about this, just keep the 500 dollars. It'll spare everyone the drama. | ||
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loko822
54 Posts
He didnt meet the goal and now everyone pretends like every single dollar he got was meant for DH and therefor he cant keep it...If he makes 2k monthly without any special purpose and now he made 2,5k then I believe its fair to say the extra 500$ came from ppl beeing enthusiastic about the possibility of seeing him at DH. This extra money now he gives back in form of this tournament. I just dont quite understand the problem and as much as lots of you hate him I doubt you watch his stream enough to even know how he explained what will happen with the money and what his plans are. I dont know either but from the information this forum gives me I dont understand the hate in this particular matter. | ||
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_Epi_
Germany158 Posts
On May 25 2017 18:01 loko822 wrote: Im neither a fan nor hater of Avilo. I dont quite understand the judgement of all this donation stuff that people keep throwing at him. As far as I understood he set a donation goal to go to DH which was his normal monthly donation goal (something around 2500$) + an additional 1k$ which would have given him the extra money to afford the trip. He didnt meet the goal and now everyone pretends like every single dollar he got was meant for DH and therefor he cant keep it...If he makes 2k monthly without any special purpose and now he made 2,5k then I believe its fair to say the extra 500$ came from ppl beeing enthusiastic about the possibility of seeing him at DH. This extra money now he gives back in form of this tournament. I just dont quite understand the problem and as much as lots of you hate him I doubt you watch his stream enough to even know how he explained what will happen with the money and what his plans are. I dont know either but from the information this forum gives me I dont understand the hate in this particular matter. I am also displeased by the hate thrown at him. Though he is not the type of guy who behaves nicely either doesn't mean everybody gets emotional about him. I really like his idea to nerf air und buff ground units. The way he explains his ideas sound pretty fair to me. I don't like the bias put against him from the very first moment. Especially from my fellow German team liquid player I would have expected a little more mature behavior. | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
On May 24 2017 22:10 AbouSV wrote: Come on, you only nit-pick on a single post at a time, for which you already gave an answer anyway, totally ignoring several relevant ones. You're not even trying. For instance, you said that changing the armory price and combining the upgrade and so on didn't change any mech unit stat, therefore it does not really affect mech apart for 'simply price cuts on the "start-up costs" of "playing mech."' (see the quote below). + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2017 06:57 avilo wrote: Let me clarify- i meant that me personally did not come up with any. The thor change is Blizzard's change that they've continuously put in and out of test map making for a year or two. That was not my change but i do think it was a good one, so i put it on the mod. The other changes you list change no statistics on any mech unit in the game, their base stats. Those are upgrades. Every mech unit is currently the same as it is on live. The changes to armory price, blue flame price, and combining mech upgrades all provide more accessibility to mech play without changing anything about mech units. They are simply price cuts on the "start-up costs" of "playing mech." So by that logic, which is actually already one thing and its opposite, having: -Zerg melee and range ground upgrade merged -Baneling speed upgrade lowered to 100/100 (instead of 150/150) -Baneling damage changed from 20(+15 light) to 35 is not a totally broken change for ground zerg army, but 'simply price cuts on the "start-up costs" of "playing banelings."? Also, 'Thor Javelin Missile Launchers damage increased from 6 (+6 vs light)to 12.' is a stat change, despise you stating the contrary twice in a row. + Show Spoiler + On May 25 2017 12:00 avilo wrote: Would appreciate if high profile players and others here stop slandering my name. I'm a twitch streamer. I get donations as part of my streaming income. I'm using some of my own income i personally make as a streamer to put up the $500 prize pool myself. $500 is a ton of money for an SC2 tournament, if you don't like the prize pool, please offer to help me find a sponsor for the tourney, or offer to contribute $$$ yourself. What i personally do with my bank account or what i do with money i earn from twitch streaming is quite honestly no one's business here. I was very transparent about my twitch DH donation goal and the entire reason for me making this tournament in the first place is to put back some of the money i earned on twitch to the SC2 community. Honestly you Starcraft people are acting like fucking spoiled brats. SC2 is a dead game comparatively to what it used to be, spending $500 of my income on an SC2 tourney is essentially like burning a pile of cash. But it is quite a bit, and hopefully the tourney will get a lot of views and prove a point that the game we all know and love can get bigger changes without the game being broken. There are a lot of good players signed up right now, and i'd encourage people to test the mod, try out the changes, i think this will be a really surprisingly good tournament with great games and the changes put into action will surprise people. Also, if anyone finds anymore bugs please let me or darkblizzard know. There should be a new version of the mod uploaded tonight that addresses the viking/hellion changes that weren't working. Also p.s. all the people that quite honestly are saying negative shit about my tournament are part of the symptom and problem of what is wrong with this community. Here and on reddit...anyone that tries to do ANYTHING or make any content, or do ANYTHING for this community basically gets shit on for absolutely no reason. It's no wonder most content creators have left SC2 - the negative fuckfaces keep driving everyone away from this game. Please stop it. Thanks for explicitly confirming  | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On the other hand, he's been ignoring *every single post* regarding the balance patches and he's been nitpicking like a madman. It's just a circus dude, how do you not see that? | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On May 25 2017 13:56 avilo wrote: I'm perfectly happy if people criticize the tournament and offer feedback. If people want to slander me about my own personal earnings from twitch, they should do it in that other thread here on TL that was closed a few weeks ago. It's clear there are just a select few negative people that keep trying to perpetuate the lie that i scammed money from people when that is not the case and it's just a few negative bad apples that want to slander me because they're unhappy that people donate to my twitch stream. Please keep that shit out of this thread. If you want to criticize the changes that the tournament will be played with, that's fine. Or the tourney format, sure. There's too many people in this thread that are taking away from the positivity of me making this tournament because they personally don't like me. I'm not going to reply further about it as i have a myriad of times, but i'll say again, it's getting really annoying the few negative people that keep trying to slander me on TL and reddit about their own personal discontent for me earning money on twitch and then trying to argue how i should use my own personal bank account. Once again Donations for something he was never going to or going to put the full amount to in a tournament in the first place are now "My own personal bank account" in avilo's world. A simple "Yes. I am a conman" would have sufficed. As for criticizing the changes, we've seen from earlier in the thread that's pointless, because in your world criticism = slander. You're just going to do things your way any way because "I'm avilo, the "savior of esports" so therefore I'm right and everyone else is wrong" Like I've asked millions of times before without reply. Do you understand why people hate you or has the avilo "character" you play gone so far that you've lost all grip on reality? | ||
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Thyriaen
Switzerland41 Posts
I like changes like this. I think blizzard should push such radical changes every month. New things keep people excited and the game interesting. You can experiment and it all comes down to who can adapt quickly to a new situation. | ||
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reneg
United States859 Posts
On May 25 2017 20:00 Thyriaen wrote: How has a tournament announcement thread turned into a huge flame war ? I like changes like this. I think blizzard should push such radical changes every month. New things keep people excited and the game interesting. You can experiment and it all comes down to who can adapt quickly to a new situation. There are a lot of polarizing people in the community. I personally disagree with radical changes on a monthly basis. Part of the StarCraft legacy is a stable game with an at least SOMEwhat consistent meta. Big changes for expansions, sure, but once they are released, there are typical minimal changes. I feel like there big changes that you're yearning for would win any semblance of an enjoyable game. What if Z becomes over buffed, are you just planning on waiting a month for Blizzard to change it? Or if Blizzard just feel asleep at the wheel at put in the changes here? Would this really be anything but agony for non mech players? You're fine with basically alienating the vast majority of players because you want to see these kinds of experiments? These changes are basically a laundry list of what I would expect from someone frustrated by losing to the things that are being nerfed, with a few extra things being thrown in to give it an air of respectability, with no real grounding in reality. | ||
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Thyriaen
Switzerland41 Posts
On May 25 2017 20:16 reneg wrote: Part of the StarCraft legacy is a stable game with an at least SOMEwhat consistent meta. Big changes for expansions, sure, but once they are released, there are typical minimal changes. I can see where you are comming from and a few years ago i would have agreed on that point. I think i feel differently now is because i am dissatisfied with the game at the moment and the course it has taken since HoTs. That is why i feel like drastic changes like this is the only way that could reintroduce interest for me into sc2. Due to those reasons i have switched to bw since the announcement of the remaster and feel like bw is more of a game i had wished sc2 to be, noticing the differences of what sc2 might be missing. | ||
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biased
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On May 25 2017 12:00 avilo wrote: That's fair. I will top up another $300 but that goes directly to prize pool. Not your personal spending. Agreed?$500 is a ton of money for an SC2 tournament, if you don't like the prize pool, please offer to help me find a sponsor for the tourney, or offer to contribute $$$ yourself. | ||
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ldv
United States103 Posts
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Love_is_in_the_air
Serbia1 Post
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Yrr
Germany804 Posts
On May 23 2017 17:13 avilo wrote: TOURNAMENT SIGN UP-LINK SIGN UP ASAP: http://challonge.com/tournaments/signup/lDNr0KukUg Tournament Date: All matches up to semi-finals/finals/3rd will be played on: Saturday May 27, 2017 2:00 p.m. EST Your Challonge link says "May 27, 2017 at 2:00 AM EDT" in the header though. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
also ninazerg <3 what a rant. | ||
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