EPTAvilo Balance Mod Tournament ($800 prize pool) - Page 10
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Coypirus
119 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On May 25 2017 21:39 biased wrote: That's fair. I will top up another $300 but that goes directly to prize pool. Not your personal spending. Agreed? Not sure if this is a troll account or not. If not...that's awesome, get into touch with me. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
He is the heel of wrestling that everyone loves to hate, and who makes heroes like TLO look even better. Also love the fake 1 post accounts that are defending him, and the dubious ~100 post accounts also defending him and calling TLO toxic. If it weren't for people like avilo generating controversy and drama, the game would've been even more daed. This tourney with a mod that blatantly buffs his playstyle and nerfs all counters, and that doesn't even try to hide how blatant this is, generates tons of interest. oh and lulz at the people who donated thousands of dollars to his DH trip and get a 500$ tourney, and are rushing to his defense. i'm lovin it! | ||
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Carminedust
487 Posts
On May 25 2017 16:52 ninazerg wrote: First off, the fact that you criticize people for being "negative" is quite ironic, because you're very negative. Do you think people like being called names, and are accused of being hackers and cheaters? So please, spare me the speech about how everyone is sOoOoOoOo negative. This is even weirder when you call people who criticize you "fuckfaces" and "fucking spoiled brats", then say SC2 is a "dead game". Criticism of you specifically isn't "driving people away from the game". If people stop playing, it is for other reasons independent of criticism of something you're doing. Next, some of the criticisms are legitimate. You have not addressed any of the criticism or any of the critiques of the mod. You just go, "If you criticize me, you're hurting SC2, because I'm creating content." and you're so biased against units like Adepts that you don't even consider that you may have made a mistake by taking all of their shields when they shade. Additionally, I'd have to ask what would happen if you met the 3500 dollar goal. Would you go to Dreamhack and then be broke for the next three months, because in your own words, that's your "income". If that's the case, then you could never afford Dreamhack to begin with. But you put up a banner that said "Send Avilo to Dreamhack Austin" and that motivated people to donate. To go "This money is my regular stream money" is incredibly disingenuous for this reason. I understand if you have rent and shit to pay, but if you went Dreamhack, how did you intend to pay your rent if that was all your fucking money? Your story doesn't make any sense, and you refuse to even attempt to explain it. Maybe there's a reasonable explanation, but you haven't done anything but bring out your persecution complex as a retort to detractors. I cannot see you being able to maintain a career as a streamer if you take peoples' money under dubious circumstances, then insult them when they call you on it. People ask you, "Why is the tournament 500 dollars when you received 3000?" and you give some bullshit reply like, "I'd love to give 3,000 dollars to a tournament but I'm not a millionaire and don't have money just laying around, but since you all are millionaires, tell me the secret because I'd love to know." Nobody said they were millionaires. They saw you receive 3000 dollars, and see you are hosting a tournament for 500, and you can't give a straight answer as to why. If you bought some clothes or a car or something, just come out and say it. Before you even go, "I had bills to pay, but I guess not everyone knows what that's like." then I would ask you how you intended to pay those bills if you went to Dreamhack. Moreover, the fact that you have 500 dollars to begin with does not give you impunity when it comes to criticism. You calling 'the community' toxic does nothing to help your cause, especially when you, yourself, have treated people in the community very badly. Failing to address concerns about the mod only reinforces peoples' perception of how you approach interacting with the community. For example, how is a Protoss player supposed to stop a bunker rush? How is Protoss supposed to win PvZ when they already have difficulty dealing with hydras and lurkers in the live version? But sure, it's the community's fault because a minority of people voiced some opinions you don't like. If you're going to be a dick about this, just keep the 500 dollars. It'll spare everyone the drama. this is everything i wanted to say and more | ||
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TheTrenchTier
21 Posts
*TLO literally makes his own content, producing his own version of a balance mod with changes he thinks would work* "TLO is such a saltlord" - Avilo Super meta in your Youtube video by the way, referring to TLO without actually directly referencing him. All of the matches in the Top 8 will probably be 60 minute TvT mech snorefests, and Avilo will sit on his computer and declare eSports "saved" or whatever nonsense. He'll go celebrate with the 3 grand he kept from his "fundraiser". | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On May 25 2017 16:52 ninazerg wrote: First off, the fact that you criticize people for being "negative" is quite ironic, because you're very negative. Do you think people like being called names, and are accused of being hackers and cheaters? So please, spare me the speech about how everyone is sOoOoOoOo negative. This is even weirder when you call people who criticize you "fuckfaces" and "fucking spoiled brats", then say SC2 is a "dead game". Criticism of you specifically isn't "driving people away from the game". If people stop playing, it is for other reasons independent of criticism of something you're doing. Next, some of the criticisms are legitimate. You have not addressed any of the criticism or any of the critiques of the mod. You just go, "If you criticize me, you're hurting SC2, because I'm creating content." and you're so biased against units like Adepts that you don't even consider that you may have made a mistake by taking all of their shields when they shade. Additionally, I'd have to ask what would happen if you met the 3500 dollar goal. Would you go to Dreamhack and then be broke for the next three months, because in your own words, that's your "income". If that's the case, then you could never afford Dreamhack to begin with. But you put up a banner that said "Send Avilo to Dreamhack Austin" and that motivated people to donate. To go "This money is my regular stream money" is incredibly disingenuous for this reason. I understand if you have rent and shit to pay, but if you went Dreamhack, how did you intend to pay your rent if that was all your fucking money? Your story doesn't make any sense, and you refuse to even attempt to explain it. Maybe there's a reasonable explanation, but you haven't done anything but bring out your persecution complex as a retort to detractors. I cannot see you being able to maintain a career as a streamer if you take peoples' money under dubious circumstances, then insult them when they call you on it. People ask you, "Why is the tournament 500 dollars when you received 3000?" and you give some bullshit reply like, "I'd love to give 3,000 dollars to a tournament but I'm not a millionaire and don't have money just laying around, but since you all are millionaires, tell me the secret because I'd love to know." Nobody said they were millionaires. They saw you receive 3000 dollars, and see you are hosting a tournament for 500, and you can't give a straight answer as to why. If you bought some clothes or a car or something, just come out and say it. Before you even go, "I had bills to pay, but I guess not everyone knows what that's like." then I would ask you how you intended to pay those bills if you went to Dreamhack. Moreover, the fact that you have 500 dollars to begin with does not give you impunity when it comes to criticism. You calling 'the community' toxic does nothing to help your cause, especially when you, yourself, have treated people in the community very badly. Failing to address concerns about the mod only reinforces peoples' perception of how you approach interacting with the community. For example, how is a Protoss player supposed to stop a bunker rush? How is Protoss supposed to win PvZ when they already have difficulty dealing with hydras and lurkers in the live version? But sure, it's the community's fault because a minority of people voiced some opinions you don't like. If you're going to be a dick about this, just keep the 500 dollars. It'll spare everyone the drama. That post so deserves a standing ovation gif. Says everything that needs to be said. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On May 26 2017 08:23 fishjie wrote: LOOOOL I'm lovin it. Huge avilo fan, ever since he pwned the hosts on SOTG when he correctly predicted how shitty the queen range buff was gonna be and lo and behold it ushered in gglord winfestor. He is the heel of wrestling that everyone loves to hate, and who makes heroes like TLO look even better. Also love the fake 1 post accounts that are defending him, and the dubious ~100 post accounts also defending him and calling TLO toxic. If it weren't for people like avilo generating controversy and drama, the game would've been even more daed. This tourney with a mod that blatantly buffs his playstyle and nerfs all counters, and that doesn't even try to hide how blatant this is, generates tons of interest. oh and lulz at the people who donated thousands of dollars to his DH trip and get a 500$ tourney, and are rushing to his defense. i'm lovin it! I agree with the controversy part... I miss Idra  Some could at least do a ceremony in someone's face every now and then. Generally I think things like that are kinda of a "dick" move, but I also can't help but say that it made the scene way more interesting when people had grudges. | ||
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CrimsonOnFire
1 Post
However i do not see the problems here. Avilo - gets alot of shit - its fine, he acts quite badly sometimes. What comes around goes around. I still find his stream enjoyable(muted that is) and i think he is kinda good at Mech plays. Atleast he gets into GM unlike 99% of the people calling him bad and unable to learn. About the donations, why do you even care? If he gets $2000 in a month normally. This time he got what? 3k? All he has to do is spend the remaining money on content creation, that is fair no? After all, the guy still needs to eat? And this is a tournament thread - why make it into a hate post? Apart from that, i like the idea with the factory Vikings and the removal of underground fungal aswell as the SH changes. I can also see a problem here tho, ability to produce vikings agaist sudden tech switches is to good. Vikings from factory should require a techlab atleast. I also agree that SH is to mcuh of a problem for mech. The adept nerf, no just no. However i still think the adept shading ontop of your army gameplay is boring and somehow needs a rework. Would be cool to see adepts as the "maurauders" of the protoss gateway units maybe? The overcharge - why not just make it so its not possible to overcharge a pylon X range from a nexus? Quite a few of your changes straight up buffs mech and nerfs its counters. Which isnt what anyone wants. Anyway, i like the initiative. Hope it goes well, and who knows maybe some of the changes are good. People tend to discourage ideas from people they do not like  P.S please dont claim hax in your tournament or mention streamcheats. Id prefer to watch it with sound on. If you are streaming it. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
Smurfing is not allowed in this tournament. Sign up under whatever ID you're known as, if you are caught playing under a different ID and win you will not be paid out prize money. This is to prevent potential cheaters trying to play in the tourney, and other potential problems such as people playing on other accounts that are not theirs, people trying to hide their identity in general to get an unfair advantage, etc. So again, sign up for this tournament requires you to play and let it be known what your "main" username or account is or whatever you are known in the SC2 community as. If you play in this tourney as a random, end up winning, and then reveal you're "so n so" player, this will qualify as smurfing and you will not be paid out any money and i'll pay out whoever was next in line for the prize money (aka 4th/5th place i'd have play against each other, etc.) I will update the OP with this information. | ||
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biased
2 Posts
On May 26 2017 05:56 avilo wrote: Not sure if this is a troll account or not. If not...that's awesome, get into touch with me. You should have the money on your paypal account now (including processing fee, paypal takes quite a hefty toll). It's your turn to raise prize pool. Distribution is completely up to you. | ||
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Penev
28529 Posts
On May 23 2017 19:23 Liquid`TLO wrote: These are without a doubt the worst ''balance'' changes I've seen in my life. Also didn't you say you'll do the tournament instead of the money raised for your travel to Austin and Katowice, how come it only has a 500 dollar prizepool? It seems to me you never actually read the original thread about the topic? Whatever you think about how Avilo handled the situation (I'm not a fan myself) this is not new information. Also can you please stop your anti Avilo campaign? Coming in here an scream "worst balance changes ever" is not what I expect from someone with your stature tbh. To make myself clear: In don't like Avilo's style and don't rate his input very high (as high as yours) but I do think he should be treated fairly and I'm not sure the 1-2 into ban when you came into the earlier thread was exactly that. Stay classy. Just my 2 cents. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On May 26 2017 17:43 biased wrote: You should have the money on your paypal account now (including processing fee, paypal takes quite a hefty toll). It's your turn to raise prize pool. Distribution is completely up to you. Holy fuck monkeys, just woke up to this notification on twitchalerts xD, you were serious...thank you so much man! Much love, i will update the original post and alter the prize distribution! Can a mod plz edit the post title with 800$ prizepool xD and i'd appreciate if a mod or someone could help me get the event on the TL calendar -_- there's other tourneys there don't see why this one cna't be as well -_- | ||
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Vipermagi
47 Posts
TLO u are nothing more than attention wh***, saying that avilo's balance mod changes are worst u seen in ur life, while on the other day you posting balance mod yourself with half changes simillar or exactly the same as avilos mod ... I dont care about getting warn or ban here anymore, team liquid has changed from being complete sc2 site where u could discuss strategies or ideas with other community members into some toxic place where pro players who should behave like a pure example to the rest of gamers actually acting like dumbasses Anyway allowing TLO representing teamliquid is beyond my imagination User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1171 Posts
When you don't have a PTR you need a group of people who you pay to test the balance. And as we know Avilo has tested the balance all by himself. $2500 is quite a reasonable fee for testing such vast balance changes and doing all this. PRAISE THE SUN | ||
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Ingvar
Russian Federation421 Posts
On May 25 2017 16:52 ninazerg wrote: First off, the fact that you criticize people for being "negative" is quite ironic, because you're very negative. Do you think people like being called names, and are accused of being hackers and cheaters? So please, spare me the speech about how everyone is sOoOoOoOo negative. This is even weirder when you call people who criticize you "fuckfaces" and "fucking spoiled brats", then say SC2 is a "dead game". Criticism of you specifically isn't "driving people away from the game". If people stop playing, it is for other reasons independent of criticism of something you're doing. Next, some of the criticisms are legitimate. You have not addressed any of the criticism or any of the critiques of the mod. You just go, "If you criticize me, you're hurting SC2, because I'm creating content." and you're so biased against units like Adepts that you don't even consider that you may have made a mistake by taking all of their shields when they shade. Additionally, I'd have to ask what would happen if you met the 3500 dollar goal. Would you go to Dreamhack and then be broke for the next three months, because in your own words, that's your "income". If that's the case, then you could never afford Dreamhack to begin with. But you put up a banner that said "Send Avilo to Dreamhack Austin" and that motivated people to donate. To go "This money is my regular stream money" is incredibly disingenuous for this reason. I understand if you have rent and shit to pay, but if you went Dreamhack, how did you intend to pay your rent if that was all your fucking money? Your story doesn't make any sense, and you refuse to even attempt to explain it. Maybe there's a reasonable explanation, but you haven't done anything but bring out your persecution complex as a retort to detractors. I cannot see you being able to maintain a career as a streamer if you take peoples' money under dubious circumstances, then insult them when they call you on it. People ask you, "Why is the tournament 500 dollars when you received 3000?" and you give some bullshit reply like, "I'd love to give 3,000 dollars to a tournament but I'm not a millionaire and don't have money just laying around, but since you all are millionaires, tell me the secret because I'd love to know." Nobody said they were millionaires. They saw you receive 3000 dollars, and see you are hosting a tournament for 500, and you can't give a straight answer as to why. If you bought some clothes or a car or something, just come out and say it. Before you even go, "I had bills to pay, but I guess not everyone knows what that's like." then I would ask you how you intended to pay those bills if you went to Dreamhack. Moreover, the fact that you have 500 dollars to begin with does not give you impunity when it comes to criticism. You calling 'the community' toxic does nothing to help your cause, especially when you, yourself, have treated people in the community very badly. Failing to address concerns about the mod only reinforces peoples' perception of how you approach interacting with the community. For example, how is a Protoss player supposed to stop a bunker rush? How is Protoss supposed to win PvZ when they already have difficulty dealing with hydras and lurkers in the live version? But sure, it's the community's fault because a minority of people voiced some opinions you don't like. If you're going to be a dick about this, just keep the 500 dollars. It'll spare everyone the drama. You aren't the hero we deserved but the hero we needed. | ||
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Tryneus
24 Posts
Sc2 lotv s in the most balanced state as never before hurr durr Not sure if troll or just hater ... | ||
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gtbex
Poland39 Posts
Be positive, this can be a really fun special event to follow. Also, you will never see Avilo crying about nothing when he lose playing Overwatch, Heroes of the Storm, or Brood War. Think about it. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1171 Posts
On May 26 2017 20:03 Tryneus wrote: @BlueStar Sc2 lotv s in the most balanced state as never before hurr durr Not sure if troll or just hater ... What about disappointed troll hater? Disappointed by the lack of reasonable changes by Blizzard Troll because such things should go to the police and such people should not walk away with other peoples money Hater because - avilo does not deserve even part of this attention | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On May 26 2017 20:22 gtbex wrote: Say what you want but Avilo is entertaining and passionate about Starcraft 2. If by "entertaining" you "not at all outside of pathetic comedy act" and by "Passionate about Starcraft 2" you mean "Passionate about conning money out of fanboys who know nothing about Starcraft 2" Also, you will never see Avilo crying about nothing when he lose playing Overwatch, Heroes of the Storm, or Brood War. Because that's not where his money is. Look at the numbers when he plays those games, they collapse. No money to be conned out of fanboys there. | ||
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[ARM]Hybrid
Armenia6 Posts
Donation - streamer gets money from viewers,(cuz they want to support) and can spend that how the fk he wants. Avilo never says, that if he gets like 3K from 3.5K, he will contribute all that 3K into tournament.... So i dont get it, when some retards and even other top streamer cant understand that. If you right guys, you can blame anyone for not contributing money into this or another game, so be nice, be constructive, u are talking about how Avilo is toxic, but u all toxic as fk. Adept nerf not like you? thats fine, u can do advice, or counter offer. not just "Thats retarded, i dont like it, fu ck this" that not make any sense for me.... Good job Avilo, He spent money from hes earnings for making something good for SC2. Be constructive.. P.S TLO you are a little nerd, jealous person that couldn't make any success in pro level, didnt won any major tournament, and now blaming other streamer for having more viewers, more subs and more $$$.. deal with it. P.S 2 Sorry for bad English, im not from English speaking country! OK? User was warned for this post | ||
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