EPTAvilo Balance Mod Tournament ($800 prize pool) - Page 11
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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reneg
United States859 Posts
On May 26 2017 21:54 [ARM]Hybrid wrote: TBH, i see a lot of haters, who don't know what they are talking about. Donation - streamer gets money from viewers,(cuz they want to support) and can spend that how the fk he wants. Avilo never says, that if he gets like 3K from 3.5K, he will contribute all that 3K into tournament.... So i dont get it, when some retards and even other top streamer cant understand that. If you right guys, you can blame anyone for not contributing money into this or another game, so be nice, be constructive, u are talking about how Avilo is toxic, but u all toxic as fk. Adept nerf not like you? thats fine, u can do advice, or counter offer. not just "Thats retarded, i dont like it, fu ck this" that not make any sense for me.... Good job Avilo, He spent money from hes earnings for making something good for SC2. Be constructive.. P.S TLO you are a little nerd, jealous person that couldn't make any success in pro level, didnt won any major tournament, and now blaming other streamer for having more viewers, more subs and more $$$.. deal with it. P.S 2 Sorry for bad English, im not from English speaking country! OK? 1 post account supporting avilo & flaming TLO - color me surprised. I don't think anyone is saying avilo can't make a mod if he wants to. What they're saying is that a lot of the changes are ridiculous. he basically removes swarm hosts & adepts from the game, which - since this is a mod - is his prerogative - but without taking into account the fact that Z has no way to really press turtle siege lines (which, unsurprisingly, is his bread and butter) - allows him to drastically increase his winrate as "mech." The adepts - he removes a lot of usefulness, so now they're slow bad marines (or they're paper tigers that get shredded if someone looks at them, you'll be able to hold off adept harass with a small cadre of SCVs). So now protoss has no real backbone for their army. What do you expect to carry the weight? Zealots? (Which get shredded due to speed and splash) Stalkers? Big low DPS marines. Imagine, for a second, if you just made tanks take 10 seconds to siege. You could say, "well I'm increasing the strategic depth of the game, now you can't just panic siege all your tanks like people currently do" Okay - well, you basically made siege tanks worthless. Or Stim automatically drops all marines & marauders to 15 hp (which is basically what his shade change does - dropping from 40/100 to 40/0). You'd NEVER use stim, because it would absolutely wreck your entire army. Those two changes are basically what he's doing to Z & P - so that "mech" (which is some weird form of mech that means you can only produce out of factories - if you make units out of barracks or more than a few units out of starports, it apparently doesn't meet this insanely weird standard. Think of what people would say if P players were complaining they couldn't only use robos to build their entire army - they don't want gateway units, or more than a zealot or two, but want to ONLY make robo units. You'd look at them like they're insane). Anyway, you don't need to be an S level player to understand that a lot of these changes are insane. Just like you don't need to be a 3 star michelin chef to know that burnt food tastes bad. | ||
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iloveav
Poland1482 Posts
I dont want to have anything to do with this. | ||
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woodedmicrobe9
Finland18 Posts
nice to know that TL is going down to stone age User was warned for this post | ||
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jedi1982
United States172 Posts
On May 26 2017 05:56 avilo wrote: Not sure if this is a troll account or not. If not...that's awesome, get into touch with me. that's awesome for the extra $300 donation! excited to see this. While I don't agree that when Avilo loses that it's stream sniping or hacking, I do agree that there are definite balance issues that need to be dealt with. Hoping this will show what can be done with some major tweaks to the game! | ||
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xTJx
Brazil419 Posts
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7009 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16085 Posts
On May 26 2017 22:03 royalroadweed wrote: Is that the real ByuN that signed up? looking at his challonge profile - No. but it's definitely the real Solar that signed up. | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On May 26 2017 21:54 [ARM]Hybrid wrote: TBH, i see a lot of haters, who don't know what they are talking about. Donation - streamer gets money from viewers,(cuz they want to support) and can spend that how the fk he wants. Avilo never says, that if he gets like 3K from 3.5K, he will contribute all that 3K into tournament.... So i dont get it, when some retards and even other top streamer cant understand that. If you right guys, you can blame anyone for not contributing money into this or another game, so be nice, be constructive, u are talking about how Avilo is toxic, but u all toxic as fk. Adept nerf not like you? thats fine, u can do advice, or counter offer. not just "Thats retarded, i dont like it, fu ck this" that not make any sense for me.... Good job Avilo, He spent money from hes earnings for making something good for SC2. Be constructive.. P.S TLO you are a little nerd, jealous person that couldn't make any success in pro level, didnt won any major tournament, and now blaming other streamer for having more viewers, more subs and more $$$.. deal with it. P.S 2 Sorry for bad English, im not from English speaking country! OK? TLO rank : 42 world. Avilo rank : 300 world. You may be a huge fan of avilo, but you can't tell us Avilo has more sucess than TLO : TLO is better than Avilo, it's a fact. | ||
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Suchbalancemuchwow
76 Posts
Can we just watch both of their tournaments and enjoy something that isn't adeptcraft or mass air battles? Both TLO and Avilo are doing good stuff for the game at the moment. These tournaments will show us and the dev team once and for all if SC2 is currently well designed or not. If it isn't, then we might get a better game out of it at the end of the day. Ontopic Avilo, Why didn't you just remove the swarmhost and adept shade entirely. TLO's change that makes infested terrans good units again is in my opinion the perfect replacement of the swarm host, with that in the game the swarmhost is obsolete. There is furthermore no actual reason why the adept should be a beefy unit with high dps, and high mobility. No other unit is these 3 things. (Well, I guess an argument can be made for the marauder) I have only praise for tackling the offensive pylon overcharge though, that stuff is ridiculous. As for the defensive one costing 75 energy. Well, it'd be nice of the mothership core started with that much energy atleast. Protoss really does have problems holding off cheese without pylon overcharge. | ||
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Solstice245
United States145 Posts
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[ARM]Hybrid
Armenia6 Posts
On May 26 2017 22:29 reneg wrote: 1 post account supporting avilo & flaming TLO - color me surprised. I don't think anyone is saying avilo can't make a mod if he wants to. What they're saying is that a lot of the changes are ridiculous. he basically removes swarm hosts & adepts from the game, which - since this is a mod - is his prerogative - but without taking into account the fact that Z has no way to really press turtle siege lines (which, unsurprisingly, is his bread and butter) - allows him to drastically increase his winrate as "mech." The adepts - he removes a lot of usefulness, so now they're slow bad marines (or they're paper tigers that get shredded if someone looks at them, you'll be able to hold off adept harass with a small cadre of SCVs). So now protoss has no real backbone for their army. What do you expect to carry the weight? Zealots? (Which get shredded due to speed and splash) Stalkers? Big low DPS marines. Imagine, for a second, if you just made tanks take 10 seconds to siege. You could say, "well I'm increasing the strategic depth of the game, now you can't just panic siege all your tanks like people currently do" Okay - well, you basically made siege tanks worthless. Or Stim automatically drops all marines & marauders to 15 hp (which is basically what his shade change does - dropping from 40/100 to 40/0). You'd NEVER use stim, because it would absolutely wreck your entire army. Those two changes are basically what he's doing to Z & P - so that "mech" (which is some weird form of mech that means you can only produce out of factories - if you make units out of barracks or more than a few units out of starports, it apparently doesn't meet this insanely weird standard. Think of what people would say if P players were complaining they couldn't only use robos to build their entire army - they don't want gateway units, or more than a zealot or two, but want to ONLY make robo units. You'd look at them like they're insane). Anyway, you don't need to be an S level player to understand that a lot of these changes are insane. Just like you don't need to be a 3 star michelin chef to know that burnt food tastes bad. Like what? if it so. every buff means that developers team, or David Kim buffin zerg cuz he wants to increase his winrate? Thats makes no sense, right? so buffs and nerfs making some strats more viable, and not lettig trash players abusing some starts too... like SH, if u think that you cant beat mech without SH, u need to check vipers, broodlords, mass speedlings,mutas,e.t.c. You cant go mech units and bio units at the same time, like having unit composition combined, cuz there is totaly different tech tree, i mean upgrades, and production, and u cant tell the same about toss, they have combined upgrades, so its viable option to go gateway and robo tech. People here just throwing shit on Avilo, i didnt see any counter offer, or constructive advice for balance. Its fact that game sucks atm, and need some help. | ||
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[ARM]Hybrid
Armenia6 Posts
On May 27 2017 03:33 Tyrhanius wrote: TLO rank : 42 world. Avilo rank : 300 world. You may be a huge fan of avilo, but you can't tell us Avilo has more sucess than TLO : TLO is better than Avilo, it's a fact. TLO is better than Avilo in what shape? like what are you comparing now? I was talking about stream, and YES, its FACT, that AVILO have more viewership,more subs, and more income,ITS FACT DUDE, you need to deal with that.in twitch Avilo has more sucess than TLO. i mean TLO rank 42? so what? he is pro player? i dont care, he post toxic and negative shit here. And hes not right, people talkin about Avilo's money like they have give it to him | ||
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Tyrhanius
France947 Posts
On May 27 2017 06:48 [ARM]Hybrid wrote: TLO is better than Avilo in what shape? like what are you comparing now? I was talking about stream, and YES, its FACT, that AVILO have more viewership,more subs, and more income,ITS FACT DUDE, you need to deal with that.in twitch Avilo has more sucess than TLO. i mean TLO rank 42? so what? he is pro player? i dont care, he post toxic and negative shit here. And hes not right, people talkin about Avilo's money like they have give it to him A reality tv star has more sucess than a nobel price, that doesn't change the fact the nobel price's words are more relevant when we talk about science than what a reality tv star can say about science. It's the same difference between a streamer of SC2 and a SC2 progamer. | ||
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[ARM]Hybrid
Armenia6 Posts
On May 27 2017 07:04 Tyrhanius wrote: A reality tv star has more sucess than a nobel price, that doesn't change the fact the nobel price's words are more relevant when we talk about science than what a reality tv star can say about science. It's the same difference between a streamer of SC2 and a SC2 progamer. Thats for sure m8, i was talking about Avilo, as a streamer, not as progamer. And i was complaining TLO not for beeing pro gamer or something like that, i was talking about his person. So TLO post "Worst balance changes ive seen." and taking like 80% of that changes and maks his own balance mod with that balance changes? Realy? is that what he can? Its not normal guys. im not doing trashtalk about TLO,he is nice guy, good player and good streamer, but hes talking about Avilos money and donations all the time....CMON guys. stttaappphhh this shit. be constructive. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On May 27 2017 06:48 [ARM]Hybrid wrote: TLO is better than Avilo in what shape? like what are you comparing now? I was talking about stream, and YES, its FACT, that AVILO have more viewership,more subs, and more income,ITS FACT DUDE, you need to deal with that.in twitch Avilo has more sucess than TLO. i mean TLO rank 42? so what? he is pro player? i dont care, he post toxic and negative shit here. And hes not right, people talkin about Avilo's money like they have give it to him please stop trolling | ||
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ypslala
Burma545 Posts
you are such a clown | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On May 27 2017 04:33 Suchbalancemuchwow wrote: Lets just stop flaming people from both sides, and act like adults? Please? Toxic can only be avoided by not actually acknowledging it. Can we just watch both of their tournaments and enjoy something that isn't adeptcraft or mass air battles? Both TLO and Avilo are doing good stuff for the game at the moment. These tournaments will show us and the dev team once and for all if SC2 is currently well designed or not. If it isn't, then we might get a better game out of it at the end of the day. Ontopic Avilo, Why didn't you just remove the swarmhost and adept shade entirely. TLO's change that makes infested terrans good units again is in my opinion the perfect replacement of the swarm host, with that in the game the swarmhost is obsolete. There is furthermore no actual reason why the adept should be a beefy unit with high dps, and high mobility. No other unit is these 3 things. (Well, I guess an argument can be made for the marauder) I have only praise for tackling the offensive pylon overcharge though, that stuff is ridiculous. As for the defensive one costing 75 energy. Well, it'd be nice of the mothership core started with that much energy atleast. Protoss really does have problems holding off cheese without pylon overcharge. TLO is doing good stuff for the game Avilo is just continuing his conman act. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On May 27 2017 13:27 showstealer1829 wrote: TLO is doing good stuff for the game Avilo is just continuing his conman act. Ok, this is has gone far enough, i'm hoping TL will actually help moderate this cesspool of absolute fucking horseshit that is below TL.net posting standards holy fuck. Let me know when you want to add $500 of your own money to the prize pool, tired of being slandered in this thread and elsewhere by a few negative people that are upset that i get donations on twitch.tv. DEAL WITH IT. I do not give a fuck if you do not like me at all, every single person that continuously is posting this idiocy does not deserve to even be a part of the SC2 community. Fucking stop. Be happy there's people in the community that still want to support the game and make shit happen for SC2. And this is what happens when TL.net let's one of their own pro players slander someone, lots of other people don't actually look into the facts. Apparently, a lot of other people suddenly think it's ok to too! As posted many times, many youtube videos about it - I AM A TWITCH.TV STREAMER. STREAMERS GET DONATIONS. DONATIONS/SUBSCRIBERS ARE MY OWN INCOME, NOT YOURS OR ANYONE ELSES. If you are unhappy people donate to me...too fucking bad! I am using my own money as a twitch streamer to fund a fuckin SC2 tournament. Fucking get over it. People like you and that think like you literally are just a detriment to SC2 as a whole, and a plague here and reddit and everywhere else. IT's why personalities like husky, day9, HDSC, etc etc etc list goes on...don't bother posting or reading reddit or want anything to do with SC2. You can't respect content creators in SC2 and people that want the scene to grow. What you're doing ISN'T FUCKING HELPING. And then you'll and others will justify it with "YAH GUYS he deserves the hate! He called someone he played on the ladder today trash xD xD xD". Grow up. The fact is there's a few salty people that simply do not like that it's "avilo" that took the initiative to do something positive for the community. Get over ad hominem and look objectively at what i'm doing and you'll probably realize you are being petty as fuck. I honestly sometimes wonder if i should just start doing all of the things that i want to do for SC2 under a smurf/new account with TL's permission - so that people can wake up and realize they are being complete and utter asshats for no reason. Maybe it takes anonymity for people to look objectively at things like this. The fact is, this $800 prizepool tourney for SC2 is happening today, Saturday 2 p.m. EST. It's the first of it's kind in the history of SC2 no tournament has been done like this. It will be really interesting and hopefully be good for the community to spur discussion and hopefully light a fire under Blizzard too that they can be doing more impactful changes. I'm hoping to be able to collect up all of the replays after the tourney, and discuss the games, cast the games that i didn't get to cast, and talk about what changes worked, what didn't, and then offer all of the feedback to Blizzard so hopefully they can do more for SC2. I am thinking long term with starting this initiative, and there's potential for follow-up tournaments as well. | ||
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