Hope solar will win this tournament. Could be great for splyce to have a gsl champion and a super tournament champion ! Terrans won too many tournaments recently it's time for zerg to shine so Gogo solar !
On April 09 2017 17:22 opisska wrote: I weighted the pros and cons heavily and decided to go outside and enjoy spring blossom instead of watching. First comments support my choice
On April 09 2017 17:22 opisska wrote: I weighted the pros and cons heavily and decided to go outside and enjoy spring blossom instead of watching. First comments support my choice
That was a strange series from ByuL. They are former teammates and good friends. I think they do practice with each other a lot. They know each other's style very well so ByuL tried to do some weird things to throw off herO.
You can see that by the fact herO scouted very early each game because he might think ByuL would do this. If he didn't scout and go Nexus first every game, ByuL would kill him.
On April 09 2017 17:56 Elentos wrote: Solar looked so good yesterday I'd be surprised if aLive actually beats him. His macro TvZ never looks that impressive.
Well his macro is actually really good, but his army control is bad .
On April 09 2017 17:56 Elentos wrote: Solar looked so good yesterday I'd be surprised if aLive actually beats him. His macro TvZ never looks that impressive.
Well his macro is actually really good, but his army control is bad .
On April 09 2017 18:00 Ej_ wrote: I actually think Daybreak is the worst map to play hydra/ling/bane. Too many chokes for siege tanks to abuse you, main is very easy to doom drop.
All of those sound like things aLive would do.
I'm sure aLive thought of an exact way to play against hydra/ling/bane. He's pretty smart.
On April 09 2017 17:56 Elentos wrote: Solar looked so good yesterday I'd be surprised if aLive actually beats him. His macro TvZ never looks that impressive.
On April 09 2017 17:56 Elentos wrote: Solar looked so good yesterday I'd be surprised if aLive actually beats him. His macro TvZ never looks that impressive.
oh boy, reading this after game 2 makes me smile
He still makes huge control mistakes. But at least he's winning so I guess it doesn't matter.
On April 09 2017 18:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: This day is absolutely breaking my zerg heart. Solar isn't playing bad, it's just so frustrating to me
Nah he's been making some pretty big mistakes.
You're right. Picking zerg to play was his first big blunder
Or forgetting upgrades, having late spire, continously losing drones to liberators because he F2s all corruptors, attacking with ground army into tank/liberator, making multiple nydus worms that achieved nothing etc. etc.
On April 09 2017 18:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: This day is absolutely breaking my zerg heart. Solar isn't playing bad, it's just so frustrating to me
Nah he's been making some pretty big mistakes.
You're right. Picking zerg to play was his first big blunder
Or forgetting upgrades, having late spire, continously losing drones to liberators because he F2s all corruptors, attacking with ground army into tank/liberator, making multiple nydus worms that achieved nothing etc. etc.
So he should just never attack and be forced to continuously defend the endless terran harass until what? I'll give you the upgrades but the rest of that really just says to me how poor zergs anti harass capabilities are when you have 4000 you need to consider the Terran can do, a hot terran vs a hot zerg the terran will probably win.
On April 09 2017 18:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: This day is absolutely breaking my zerg heart. Solar isn't playing bad, it's just so frustrating to me
Nah he's been making some pretty big mistakes.
You're right. Picking zerg to play was his first big blunder
Or forgetting upgrades, having late spire, continously losing drones to liberators because he F2s all corruptors, attacking with ground army into tank/liberator, making multiple nydus worms that achieved nothing etc. etc.
So he should just never attack and be forced to continuously defend the endless terran harass until what? I'll give you the upgrades but the rest of that really just says to me how poor zergs anti harass capabilities are when you have 4000 you need to consider the Terran can do, a hot terran vs a hot zerg the terran will probably win.
Why would ever frontally engage that without broodlords
On April 09 2017 18:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: This day is absolutely breaking my zerg heart. Solar isn't playing bad, it's just so frustrating to me
Nah he's been making some pretty big mistakes.
You're right. Picking zerg to play was his first big blunder
Or forgetting upgrades, having late spire, continously losing drones to liberators because he F2s all corruptors, attacking with ground army into tank/liberator, making multiple nydus worms that achieved nothing etc. etc.
So he should just never attack and be forced to continuously defend the endless terran harass until what? I'll give you the upgrades but the rest of that really just says to me how poor zergs anti harass capabilities are when you have 4000 you need to consider the Terran can do, a hot terran vs a hot zerg the terran will probably win.
If they are going siege tank heavy, you wait until broods.
Brood Lords are great if you can afford them. He wasn't even that tank heavy and the Zerg has to invest way more money into breaking a tank/liberator/ghost line than it cost to set up, which would be fine if the zerg could out expand and macro the terran but which so many incredible harass options thats a monumental task
On April 09 2017 19:35 Nerchio wrote: I missed Zerg games, can you tell me guys how it went? :D
Byul played horrible. Solar played decent until the last game where he forgot overseers are a thing and ran over widow mines 6 or 7 times without killing any
On April 09 2017 20:12 ilikeredheads wrote: just mass adepts phoenix every game lol
Terrans have been massing Bio army compositions (+ mines since HOTS) in TvP and TvZ since 2011 so I don't fuking know what the fuk you are complaining about
On April 09 2017 20:12 ilikeredheads wrote: just mass adepts phoenix every game lol
Terrans just mass MMM in TvP and TvZ since 2011 so I don't fuking know what the fuk you are complaining about
Terran has 3-units and protoss 2-units.
Protoss: Phoenix, Stalkers, Sentry, Adept, Oracle or observer (+ plus immortals and/or colossus and the occasional Tempest) Terrans: Marine, Marauder, Medivac, Mine (+liberators, Tanks and/or vikings and the occasional ghost)
On April 09 2017 20:12 ilikeredheads wrote: just mass adepts phoenix every game lol
Terrans have been massing Bio army compositions (+ mines since HOTS) in TvP and TvZ since 2011 so I don't fuking know what the fuk you are complaining about
Do you know why we've been massing Bio army compositions since 2011? It's because there's literally nothing else we can do. Give us a different tech path and we'll gladly make it work.
On April 09 2017 20:21 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote: when will terrans realize they dont have to be aggresive vs phoenix adept? its exactly what toss wants...
true true. i might be carried away thinking that this is imba. aLive needs to switch up his style...
:D unbelievable... its gone from sad to watch to just funny and ridiculous to watch. the worse thing about this is that hero just plays soooo sloppy. loses every game he doesn mass phoenix adept. and even in those games he loses so many phoenixes due to sloppy and bad play. And he still wins :D well, okay
Jokes aside, I agree, this is absurd, Protoss now are FORCED to use Phoenix Adept, just like Terrans were FORCED to use BioMine Compositions before. Your arguments work for us.
On April 09 2017 20:21 Saggymidgetbooty6969 wrote: when will terrans realize they dont have to be aggresive vs phoenix adept? its exactly what toss wants...
true true. i might be carried away thinking that this is imba. aLive needs to switch up his style...
If terran tried to go 3 base against it without any aggression they would get just stomped by adepts. If terran defends on 2 base he will get eventually stomped by massive toss economy, toss can go 4 base vs 2 with this playstyle if terran is passive... there is no way to play against this at the moment, lets just finally admit that. we cant even say now that look at TY or look at Maru/Inno, they are losing to this as well as any other terran, just put up more of a fight.
On April 09 2017 20:55 killerm12 wrote: herO plays really well now but I'm praying for phoenix nerf so hard
I'd prefer removal from the game personally
Phoenixes have nothing to do with this strategy being strong. It's alllllllllll adepts. Phoenixes are probably the best designed unit in the entire game.
On April 09 2017 20:55 killerm12 wrote: herO plays really well now but I'm praying for phoenix nerf so hard
I'd prefer removal from the game personally
Remove adepts, phoenixes are okay
maybe better remove protoss? so u guys won't have a chance to whine about
No, removing protoss won't stop little terran boys from whining. Removing terran is the only way to stop them from whining, terran players are the biggest whiners in SC2.
On April 09 2017 20:55 killerm12 wrote: herO plays really well now but I'm praying for phoenix nerf so hard
I'd prefer removal from the game personally
Phoenixes have nothing to do with this strategy being strong. It's alllllllllll adepts. Phoenixes are probably the best designed unit in the entire game.
Literally impossible to be hit by any other flying unit in the game, extremely well designed.
On April 09 2017 20:55 killerm12 wrote: herO plays really well now but I'm praying for phoenix nerf so hard
I'd prefer removal from the game personally
Phoenixes have nothing to do with this strategy being strong. It's alllllllllll adepts. Phoenixes are probably the best designed unit in the entire game.
Literally impossible to be hit by any other flying unit in the game, extremely well designed.
why whine about phoenixes now? They've been here since the start, never seen you whining then
On April 09 2017 21:07 SC2Toastie wrote: make medivac speed a fucsion core upgrade, reduce adept hp, make shade an upgrade, reduce muta speed, reduce warp prism pick up range.
Make this game less about gimmick harass.
you can't reduce muta speed and expect them to ever work against protoss (cuz phoenix's)
On April 09 2017 21:08 Elentos wrote: That was the shittiest way to end an individual league finals since TY made a 2nd factory
Solar 12 pool won him SSL season 2
That was a strategic gamble. This was just dumb.
i guess when u face nothing but SG on the KR ladder because theres no reason not to do adept phoenix, u just auto lose some games to warp prism busts
i really dont even think he holds there with taht full medivac lol, like he needed cyclones or bunkers but how could he know to build them? there was no indication that was coming at all outside of the absence of oracles. (which just seems like macro robotics)
Read the comment and see clearly for biased opinions lol
"The worst end possible", "adept/phoenix/msc/warp prism/etc imba!". The salt is real, I can't even imagine how many times u got owned by the big book of protoss bull***t to be that whiny :D
On April 09 2017 21:14 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Read the comment and see clearly for biased opinions lol
"The worst end possible", "adept/phoenix/msc/warp prism/etc imba!". The salt is real, I can't even imagine how many times u got owned by the big book of protoss bull***t to be that whiny :D
Never, because there are no protosses on ladder :/
Ironic that after all the praise aLive got for his great multitasking and fast reactions throughout the tournament, what loses him the final game of the tournament is the slowest reaction ever.
On April 09 2017 21:15 Elentos wrote: Ironic that after all the praise aLive got for his great multitasking and fast reactions throughout the tournament, what loses him the final game of the tournament is the slowest reaction ever.
he had already used medivac boost. those units were going to catch the medivac no matter what . i think he read the build as macro robotics and felt he neded to get in there and do dmg asap.
On April 09 2017 21:15 Elentos wrote: Ironic that after all the praise aLive got for his great multitasking and fast reactions throughout the tournament, what loses him the final game of the tournament is the slowest reaction ever.
With no boost on the medivac it was dead anyway, even jaedong level reaction tine wouldn't have won him that.
On April 09 2017 21:15 Elentos wrote: Ironic that after all the praise aLive got for his great multitasking and fast reactions throughout the tournament, what loses him the final game of the tournament is the slowest reaction ever.
he had already used medivac boost. those units were going to catch the medivac no matter what
Medivacs have enough vision that he could have seen that and turned around much faster.
On April 09 2017 21:14 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Read the comment and see clearly for biased opinions lol
"The worst end possible", "adept/phoenix/msc/warp prism/etc imba!". The salt is real, I can't even imagine how many times u got owned by the big book of protoss bull***t to be that whiny :D
I play both races,I hate Adepts ,but I admit that it's the only way in which Protoss can win vs Terran. Protoss race seems to rely 100% around adepts harass to keep things even with other races
On April 09 2017 21:14 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Read the comment and see clearly for biased opinions lol
"The worst end possible", "adept/phoenix/msc/warp prism/etc imba!". The salt is real, I can't even imagine how many times u got owned by the big book of protoss bull***t to be that whiny :D
I play both races,I hate Adepts ,but I admit that it's the only way in which Protoss can win vs Terran. Protoss race seems to rely 100% around adepts harass to keep things even with other races
On April 09 2017 21:14 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Read the comment and see clearly for biased opinions lol
"The worst end possible", "adept/phoenix/msc/warp prism/etc imba!". The salt is real, I can't even imagine how many times u got owned by the big book of protoss bull***t to be that whiny :D
I play both races,I hate Adepts ,but I admit that it's the only way in which Protoss can win vs Terran. Protoss race seems to rely 100% around adepts harass to keep things even with other races
yeah i dont know about "the only way" there are plenty of ways to fuck a terran up man
hero won pvts earlier in this very same tournament with 2 oracles into blink + robotics
On April 09 2017 21:15 Elentos wrote: Ironic that after all the praise aLive got for his great multitasking and fast reactions throughout the tournament, what loses him the final game of the tournament is the slowest reaction ever.
he had already used medivac boost. those units were going to catch the medivac no matter what
Medivacs have enough vision that he could have seen that and turned around much faster.
Medivacs still slower than stalkers though. He'd have had to be looking at it at that moment, and even then herO would have had to be on move command
On April 09 2017 21:14 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Read the comment and see clearly for biased opinions lol
"The worst end possible", "adept/phoenix/msc/warp prism/etc imba!". The salt is real, I can't even imagine how many times u got owned by the big book of protoss bull***t to be that whiny :D
I play both races,I hate Adepts ,but I admit that it's the only way in which Protoss can win vs Terran. Protoss race seems to rely 100% around adepts harass to keep things even with other races
yeah i dont know about "the only way" there are plenty of ways to fuck a terran up man
hero won pvts earlier in this very same tournament with 2 oracles into blink + robotics
On April 09 2017 21:14 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Read the comment and see clearly for biased opinions lol
"The worst end possible", "adept/phoenix/msc/warp prism/etc imba!". The salt is real, I can't even imagine how many times u got owned by the big book of protoss bull***t to be that whiny :D
I play both races,I hate Adepts ,but I admit that it's the only way in which Protoss can win vs Terran. Protoss race seems to rely 100% around adepts harass to keep things even with other races
On April 09 2017 21:15 Elentos wrote: Ironic that after all the praise aLive got for his great multitasking and fast reactions throughout the tournament, what loses him the final game of the tournament is the slowest reaction ever.
he had already used medivac boost. those units were going to catch the medivac no matter what
Medivacs have enough vision that he could have seen that and turned around much faster.
Medivacs still slower than stalkers though. He'd have had to be looking at it at that moment, and even then herO would have had to be on move command
If he reacts perfectly on time, he most likely gets away, the stalker count wasn't that high and there was no blink. Could have even dropped out like one marine to buy an extra second.
On April 09 2017 21:15 Elentos wrote: Ironic that after all the praise aLive got for his great multitasking and fast reactions throughout the tournament, what loses him the final game of the tournament is the slowest reaction ever.
he had already used medivac boost. those units were going to catch the medivac no matter what
Medivacs have enough vision that he could have seen that and turned around much faster.
Medivacs still slower than stalkers though. He'd have had to be looking at it at that moment, and even then herO would have had to be on move command
If he reacts perfectly on time, he most likely gets away, the stalker count wasn't that high and there was no blink. Could have even dropped out like one marine to buy an extra second.
the vod is up i recommend rewatching it
theres no way that medivac gets away. it seems like u are looking for something aLive could have done. he took a risk and assumed it was macro robotics cause its Proxima Station, tried to boost across to get in there before stalkers/obs in all mineral lines
On April 09 2017 21:14 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Read the comment and see clearly for biased opinions lol
"The worst end possible", "adept/phoenix/msc/warp prism/etc imba!". The salt is real, I can't even imagine how many times u got owned by the big book of protoss bull***t to be that whiny :D
I play both races,I hate Adepts ,but I admit that it's the only way in which Protoss can win vs Terran. Protoss race seems to rely 100% around adepts harass to keep things even with other races
yeah i dont know about "the only way" there are plenty of ways to fuck a terran up man
hero won pvts earlier in this very same tournament with 2 oracles into blink + robotics
Have you seen how PvT was like before Lib/mine nerfs?Protoss winrate was around <40%
On April 09 2017 21:14 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Read the comment and see clearly for biased opinions lol
"The worst end possible", "adept/phoenix/msc/warp prism/etc imba!". The salt is real, I can't even imagine how many times u got owned by the big book of protoss bull***t to be that whiny :D
I play both races,I hate Adepts ,but I admit that it's the only way in which Protoss can win vs Terran. Protoss race seems to rely 100% around adepts harass to keep things even with other races
Can protoss not still win with heavy AoE?
The problem is that you have to get there.
And the problem with terran is that you have to kill them before they get there.
OK. I agree Adepts are super annoying in any matchups and combo with Phoenixes vs T is deadly... But at top level, not everyone is winning vs T with that strategy. If Adepts + Phoenixes are such a winning combo then Protoss players would play it every game and win every tournament. Why bother using another strategy then? The control is everything. Bad shade or phoenix movement is a game losing move. Look at herO as he is so good at that strategy but when he did wrong, he lost the game too (AKA Game 4).
On April 09 2017 21:15 Elentos wrote: Ironic that after all the praise aLive got for his great multitasking and fast reactions throughout the tournament, what loses him the final game of the tournament is the slowest reaction ever.
Let's be honest here. aLive was probably exhausted as fuck... 5 games against Solar, and 6 games against herO... Terran is the most demanding race in terms of multitasking and reactions... I don't blame him for being too tired to maneuver his medivac in that final set.
On April 09 2017 21:14 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Read the comment and see clearly for biased opinions lol
"The worst end possible", "adept/phoenix/msc/warp prism/etc imba!". The salt is real, I can't even imagine how many times u got owned by the big book of protoss bull***t to be that whiny :D
I play both races,I hate Adepts ,but I admit that it's the only way in which Protoss can win vs Terran. Protoss race seems to rely 100% around adepts harass to keep things even with other races
This is a big part of it and I don't think people should accept that LOTV is perfectly balanced / designed perfectly. In WOL or HOTS, it was readily accepted that the game was designed VERY well, that all of the races were balanced in a very good way, and one could harrass to gain a LEAD.
In LOTV, Protoss is so bad that they HAVE to play with adepts and do extreme damage to be even with the other races. Protoss isn't designed properly for LOTV. Their units are too expensive and do too little for their cost. With the nerf to Collo, they aren't a 300/200 unit worth of value anymore. Protoss was balanced around that unit being worth its cost, and it's not. On the opposite end of the spectrum for protoss, their gateway units were shit because one could proxy a 100 mineral pylon and be very aggressive. This isn't really possible anymore (excluding adepts, here, because adepts can do whatever they want) due to the nerf to warp ins.
I really don't think we should accept that Protoss is fine as a race. It shouldn't be balanced around the fact that you HAVE to do insane damage to workers to be competitive. Any worker kill should be a bonus to give you a lead, not a requirement to have a chance. Protoss needs to have adepts nerfed, other gateway units buffed to compensate, and their tier 3 needs to be worth investing in. Nerf warpgate even further if you have to. I want an army that feels strong, not gimmicky relying on shading everywhere and killing workers.
On April 09 2017 21:14 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Read the comment and see clearly for biased opinions lol
"The worst end possible", "adept/phoenix/msc/warp prism/etc imba!". The salt is real, I can't even imagine how many times u got owned by the big book of protoss bull***t to be that whiny :D
I play both races,I hate Adepts ,but I admit that it's the only way in which Protoss can win vs Terran. Protoss race seems to rely 100% around adepts harass to keep things even with other races
yeah i dont know about "the only way" there are plenty of ways to fuck a terran up man
hero won pvts earlier in this very same tournament with 2 oracles into blink + robotics
Have you seen how PvT was like before Lib/mine nerfs?Protoss winrate was around <40%
On April 09 2017 21:15 Elentos wrote: Ironic that after all the praise aLive got for his great multitasking and fast reactions throughout the tournament, what loses him the final game of the tournament is the slowest reaction ever.
he had already used medivac boost. those units were going to catch the medivac no matter what
Medivacs have enough vision that he could have seen that and turned around much faster.
Medivacs still slower than stalkers though. He'd have had to be looking at it at that moment, and even then herO would have had to be on move command
If he reacts perfectly on time, he most likely gets away, the stalker count wasn't that high and there was no blink. Could have even dropped out like one marine to buy an extra second.
Nah no way, the only time he gets away is if herO is on move command and isn't looking
They need to tone down adepts because this unit is OP as hell, but they need to buff something in the P arsenal or they would have no chance to win anything. Imho the only possible buff would be about Colossus thermal lance
On April 09 2017 21:15 Elentos wrote: Ironic that after all the praise aLive got for his great multitasking and fast reactions throughout the tournament, what loses him the final game of the tournament is the slowest reaction ever.
he had already used medivac boost. those units were going to catch the medivac no matter what
Medivacs have enough vision that he could have seen that and turned around much faster.
Medivacs still slower than stalkers though. He'd have had to be looking at it at that moment, and even then herO would have had to be on move command
If he reacts perfectly on time, he most likely gets away, the stalker count wasn't that high and there was no blink. Could have even dropped out like one marine to buy an extra second.
Nah no way, the only time he gets away is if herO is on move command and isn't looking
It's 5 stalkers and 1 sentry. You're telling me that if aLive uses the medivac's superior vision range to get a head start, changes direction the right (towards terrain the ground units can't chase it through if herO wants to do his attack) and drops out one marine to soak some shots before the stalkers are in shooting range, there's no way the medivac gets away?
On April 09 2017 21:15 Elentos wrote: Ironic that after all the praise aLive got for his great multitasking and fast reactions throughout the tournament, what loses him the final game of the tournament is the slowest reaction ever.
he had already used medivac boost. those units were going to catch the medivac no matter what
Medivacs have enough vision that he could have seen that and turned around much faster.
Medivacs still slower than stalkers though. He'd have had to be looking at it at that moment, and even then herO would have had to be on move command
If he reacts perfectly on time, he most likely gets away, the stalker count wasn't that high and there was no blink. Could have even dropped out like one marine to buy an extra second.
Nah no way, the only time he gets away is if herO is on move command and isn't looking
It's 5 stalkers and 1 sentry. You're telling me that if aLive uses the medivac's superior vision range to get a head start, changes direction the right (towards terrain the ground units can't chase it through if herO wants to do his attack) and drops out one marine to soak some shots before the stalkers are in shooting range, there's no way the medivac gets away?
On April 09 2017 21:14 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Read the comment and see clearly for biased opinions lol
"The worst end possible", "adept/phoenix/msc/warp prism/etc imba!". The salt is real, I can't even imagine how many times u got owned by the big book of protoss bull***t to be that whiny :D
I play both races,I hate Adepts ,but I admit that it's the only way in which Protoss can win vs Terran. Protoss race seems to rely 100% around adepts harass to keep things even with other races
This is a big part of it and I don't think people should accept that LOTV is perfectly balanced / designed perfectly. In WOL or HOTS, it was readily accepted that the game was designed VERY well, that all of the races were balanced in a very good way, and one could harrass to gain a LEAD.
In LOTV, Protoss is so bad that they HAVE to play with adepts and do extreme damage to be even with the other races. Protoss isn't designed properly for LOTV. Their units are too expensive and do too little for their cost. With the nerf to Collo, they aren't a 300/200 unit worth of value anymore. Protoss was balanced around that unit being worth its cost, and it's not. On the opposite end of the spectrum for protoss, their gateway units were shit because one could proxy a 100 mineral pylon and be very aggressive. This isn't really possible anymore (excluding adepts, here, because adepts can do whatever they want) due to the nerf to warp ins.
I really don't think we should accept that Protoss is fine as a race. It shouldn't be balanced around the fact that you HAVE to do insane damage to workers to be competitive. Any worker kill should be a bonus to give you a lead, not a requirement to have a chance. Protoss needs to have adepts nerfed, other gateway units buffed to compensate, and their tier 3 needs to be worth investing in. Nerf warpgate even further if you have to. I want an army that feels strong, not gimmicky relying on shading everywhere and killing workers.
That's it,however people prefer to whine about balance in order to get buffs to their own race and win some pointless ladder games. LotV design should be the main focus of our speeches because it really sucks,no matter how perfectly balanced winrates would be.
On April 09 2017 21:14 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Read the comment and see clearly for biased opinions lol
"The worst end possible", "adept/phoenix/msc/warp prism/etc imba!". The salt is real, I can't even imagine how many times u got owned by the big book of protoss bull***t to be that whiny :D
Worst end possible to a very close series, yes. A medivac running into a 4 gate to conclude the game is extremely anti-hype.
That latter half, nobody is saying it. Stop trying to spark a fire that isn;t there.
On April 09 2017 21:14 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: Read the comment and see clearly for biased opinions lol
"The worst end possible", "adept/phoenix/msc/warp prism/etc imba!". The salt is real, I can't even imagine how many times u got owned by the big book of protoss bull***t to be that whiny :D
I play both races,I hate Adepts ,but I admit that it's the only way in which Protoss can win vs Terran. Protoss race seems to rely 100% around adepts harass to keep things even with other races
This is a big part of it and I don't think people should accept that LOTV is perfectly balanced / designed perfectly. In WOL or HOTS, it was readily accepted that the game was designed VERY well, that all of the races were balanced in a very good way, and one could harrass to gain a LEAD.
In LOTV, Protoss is so bad that they HAVE to play with adepts and do extreme damage to be even with the other races. Protoss isn't designed properly for LOTV. Their units are too expensive and do too little for their cost. With the nerf to Collo, they aren't a 300/200 unit worth of value anymore. Protoss was balanced around that unit being worth its cost, and it's not. On the opposite end of the spectrum for protoss, their gateway units were shit because one could proxy a 100 mineral pylon and be very aggressive. This isn't really possible anymore (excluding adepts, here, because adepts can do whatever they want) due to the nerf to warp ins.
I really don't think we should accept that Protoss is fine as a race. It shouldn't be balanced around the fact that you HAVE to do insane damage to workers to be competitive. Any worker kill should be a bonus to give you a lead, not a requirement to have a chance. Protoss needs to have adepts nerfed, other gateway units buffed to compensate, and their tier 3 needs to be worth investing in. Nerf warpgate even further if you have to. I want an army that feels strong, not gimmicky relying on shading everywhere and killing workers.
That's it,however people prefer to whine about balance in order to get buffs to their own race and win some pointless ladder games. LotV design should be the main focus of our speeches because it really sucks,no matter how perfectly balanced winrates would be.
And in the end this discussion always comes down to warpgate being a stupid mechanic...
On April 09 2017 21:33 DickMcFanny wrote: I wanted to bitch about always seeing 30+ adepts at a time and then I realized we've been regularly seeing 30+ marines / marauders for 7 years now.
Perhaps we should take a step back from the balance whine and consider that terrans have been getting away with MMM for most of the game's lifecycle.
Exactly, when you can regularly beat Protoss armies that consist of tier 2 and 3 units with tier 1.5 (and 2) Terran units, and you say Protoss is OP, I don't know man but seems like you're the one who'd wrong
lol, no side in this balance argument but remember a while back when scarlett said she thought she could beat hero because he "just does random builds and shades on everything"? it's kinda funny thinking about how accurate that is across time and matchups
How come herO can't win a tournament without constant balance whine following? Personally I'm happy that he's still winning tournaments, happy for my guy.
On April 10 2017 00:42 KingofdaHipHop wrote: How come herO can't win a tournament without constant balance whine following? Personally I'm happy that he's still winning tournaments, happy for my guy.
Something about the strategies he wins with man. They always seem to be the ones people....uhhhh....complain about?
That last map vs aLive embodies every herO win in my eyes :o
Great play by herO, he is such a scrapper!! Stats is all style and perfect execution, herO is all fight attrition! Alive played godly on Newkirk though, well played by both!!!
On April 10 2017 00:42 KingofdaHipHop wrote: How come herO can't win a tournament without constant balance whine following? Personally I'm happy that he's still winning tournaments, happy for my guy.
Something about the strategies he wins with man. They always seem to be the ones people....uhhhh....complain about?
That last map vs aLive embodies every herO win in my eyes :o
Meh, Alive flying a full medivac of dudes into herO's army embodies every herO game in your eyes?
Even game if not for that careless full loss of units... Most Terran's take a dog leg route with drop ships...Alive was a bit fool hardy that game...
EPT
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