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KanoCoke
Profile Joined June 2011
Japan863 Posts
May 01 2016 23:08 GMT
#1121
On May 02 2016 05:09 TheProphet_ wrote:
Very "strange" finals.

Before the games in the interviews zest says TY cant play late game and that he will exploit TY's weaknesses.

In the two late game macro games of the series TY absolutely demolishes Zest, showing Zest just doesnt know what to do in the late game and cant keep up with the drops and the multitasking.

And then TY decides that rather than take it to the late game and win he would rather repeatedly do late 2 base all ins that no one does using random stuff like 1 thor over and over?

And in the last game TY just makes a series of mistakes that is very hard to swallow. He then finds himself behind but still in the game, what does he do, take it to a macro late game where zest can't keep up or "throw" his units out?

Yea right.

User was warned for this post

One word: NERVES

It's TY's first finals in 9 years, and his mother and longtime fans, as well as mentors came to watch him play.

You try having all that pressure on you and beating the best Protoss player in the world.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-02 00:35:30
May 02 2016 00:33 GMT
#1122
In the two late game macro games of the series TY absolutely demolishes Zest


All of the games were pretty fast, i wouldn't call any of them lategame IIRC. Game 1 had Zest w/ fourth base but he took it at 5:30 and died in the next 5 minutes or so.

This was a game of very high economy, medium supply and low tech - "Lategame" typically means high tech and high supply
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stargunner
Profile Joined July 2014
United States135 Posts
May 02 2016 02:28 GMT
#1123
kudos to TY for doing something no other Terran could do to Zest this year. gods can bleed.. but it wasn't enough. i would have loved to see one more game between them, game 7 macro. then it would have been the best finals ever.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada18050 Posts
May 02 2016 04:00 GMT
#1124
great series. congrats to TY, Zest , David Kim and the Blizzard design team.
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NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
May 02 2016 06:10 GMT
#1125
On May 02 2016 13:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
great series. congrats to TY, Zest , David Kim and the Blizzard design team.

not sure of meant to troll or what

To the one saying this was strange, TY's nervousness has shown since the moment he walked out on the stage, and Zest's look confident like the stage was his home, that's the difference that made TY lose and Zest win
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Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-02 13:52:32
May 02 2016 07:16 GMT
#1126
I don't think it's particularly strange. Even before the games started it was clear that TY was very nervous, while Zest looked super confident.
It was that overconfidence that lost Zest game 1. He stretched himself to thin, thinking he could get away with it by keeping TY scared. He put down his fourth and double forge before his extra gateways.
TY played amazing, but the loss was mostly on Zest. From then on, it went pretty much as expected, TY prepared builds to kill Zest before we get to the late game where Zest is unbeatable so far, but Zest kept calm enough to defend and crush TYs attacks (blink control vs that Thor + marines was extremely good, by the time the attack hit there were only two marines left).

It was a very good idea. TY wanted to put Zest into an uncomfortable position through non-stop aggression and to force mistakes out of him. We've seen this approach make miracles happen before (Life vs. INnoVation from last Blizzcon comes to mind), but Zest was too strong mentally and couldn't be broken.
And TY also stated (I think it was before his ro.16 group) that he almost never wins during practice, so that had to have factored in to his mental state (that also could explain why Zest seemed to overplay his confidence pregame, trying to scare TY even more, which would have been brilliant had he won that first game), along with the pressure of his first finals, and everyone he cares about watching him play.

Sky Shield was an expected exception, it was hard for terran to not win it, especially with TYs mass liberator playstyle and trademark multitasking. I really hope he doesn't break now, and that he will continue to perform like this, Maru needs some competition.
Zest is now probably proven that he is the best player in the world. We'll know for sure after the cross-finals. Overall it was a great show, afreeca really put in some great production and effort into it, the games delivered and I hope the next season will be even better.
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Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
May 02 2016 07:27 GMT
#1127
Wondering when Season 2 will be announced
Have a nice day ;)
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-02 07:58:27
May 02 2016 07:35 GMT
#1128
On May 02 2016 09:33 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
In the two late game macro games of the series TY absolutely demolishes Zest


All of the games were pretty fast, i wouldn't call any of them lategame IIRC. Game 1 had Zest w/ fourth base but he took it at 5:30 and died in the next 5 minutes or so.

This was a game of very high economy, medium supply and low tech - "Lategame" typically means high tech and high supply

Game 1 was 20 minutes long and Zest had storm and tempests. How much higher tech do we need for late game? If anything, these 2 bombed their armies and economies to oblivion trying to kill each other until the game ended at less than 100 supply each, but it was late game at some point before that.

On May 02 2016 16:27 Dumbledore wrote:
Wondering when Season 2 will be announced

Code A qualifiers are held May 11.
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Zephyp
Profile Joined April 2013
238 Posts
May 02 2016 08:04 GMT
#1129
Pretty good finals. A step up from the one-sided Ro8 and Ro4. A bit disappointed with how it turned out and the way TY lost the last two games. He showed in the first matches that he could play the long game.

Glad I watched the VODs though, because the three hour cast had around 1 hour 20 minutes of gameplay.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37125 Posts
May 02 2016 08:36 GMT
#1130
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Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
May 02 2016 09:46 GMT
#1131
On May 02 2016 16:35 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 09:33 Cyro wrote:
In the two late game macro games of the series TY absolutely demolishes Zest


All of the games were pretty fast, i wouldn't call any of them lategame IIRC. Game 1 had Zest w/ fourth base but he took it at 5:30 and died in the next 5 minutes or so.

This was a game of very high economy, medium supply and low tech - "Lategame" typically means high tech and high supply

Game 1 was 20 minutes long and Zest had storm and tempests. How much higher tech do we need for late game? If anything, these 2 bombed their armies and economies to oblivion trying to kill each other until the game ended at less than 100 supply each, but it was late game at some point before that.

I don't think it was a "proper" late game though. It was overall pretty scrappy, which played into TYs hand, with the multitasking and overall style of play.
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
May 02 2016 09:52 GMT
#1132
On May 02 2016 18:46 Sakat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 16:35 Elentos wrote:
On May 02 2016 09:33 Cyro wrote:
In the two late game macro games of the series TY absolutely demolishes Zest


All of the games were pretty fast, i wouldn't call any of them lategame IIRC. Game 1 had Zest w/ fourth base but he took it at 5:30 and died in the next 5 minutes or so.

This was a game of very high economy, medium supply and low tech - "Lategame" typically means high tech and high supply

Game 1 was 20 minutes long and Zest had storm and tempests. How much higher tech do we need for late game? If anything, these 2 bombed their armies and economies to oblivion trying to kill each other until the game ended at less than 100 supply each, but it was late game at some point before that.

I don't think it was a "proper" late game though. It was overall pretty scrappy, which played into TYs hand, with the multitasking and overall style of play.

It was atypical, but that's what made the game great.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
May 02 2016 11:02 GMT
#1133
On May 02 2016 18:52 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 18:46 Sakat wrote:
On May 02 2016 16:35 Elentos wrote:
On May 02 2016 09:33 Cyro wrote:
In the two late game macro games of the series TY absolutely demolishes Zest


All of the games were pretty fast, i wouldn't call any of them lategame IIRC. Game 1 had Zest w/ fourth base but he took it at 5:30 and died in the next 5 minutes or so.

This was a game of very high economy, medium supply and low tech - "Lategame" typically means high tech and high supply

Game 1 was 20 minutes long and Zest had storm and tempests. How much higher tech do we need for late game? If anything, these 2 bombed their armies and economies to oblivion trying to kill each other until the game ended at less than 100 supply each, but it was late game at some point before that.

I don't think it was a "proper" late game though. It was overall pretty scrappy, which played into TYs hand, with the multitasking and overall style of play.

It was atypical, but that's what made the game great.

Game of the year so far (for me at least)
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
May 02 2016 14:42 GMT
#1134
Pretty fun finals. Game one was amazing and the rest were hard to follow, but still nice to watch.
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TheProphet_
Profile Joined May 2012
51 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-02 15:55:57
May 02 2016 15:53 GMT
#1135
On May 02 2016 08:08 KanoCoke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 05:09 TheProphet_ wrote:
Very "strange" finals.

Before the games in the interviews zest says TY cant play late game and that he will exploit TY's weaknesses.

In the two late game macro games of the series TY absolutely demolishes Zest, showing Zest just doesnt know what to do in the late game and cant keep up with the drops and the multitasking.

And then TY decides that rather than take it to the late game and win he would rather repeatedly do late 2 base all ins that no one does using random stuff like 1 thor over and over?

And in the last game TY just makes a series of mistakes that is very hard to swallow. He then finds himself behind but still in the game, what does he do, take it to a macro late game where zest can't keep up or "throw" his units out?

Yea right.

User was warned for this post

One word: NERVES

It's TY's first finals in 9 years, and his mother and longtime fans, as well as mentors came to watch him play.

You try having all that pressure on you and beating the best Protoss player in the world.


I made no accusations so if TL mods could stop handing out infractions like they're traffic cops at the indy 500 thatd be much appreciated.

I hear what everyone is saying but if we go with this version that TY had somewhat of a psychological breakdown, then the result from this series is that TY is the better starcraft player under normal conditions. Zest is more in control of himself pyschologically and didn't choke, good for him, but cheeses and his opponent making game throwing mistakes aside he showed he's not on the same level of multitasking in starcraft. He deserves the championship nonetheless.
Athenau
Profile Joined March 2015
590 Posts
May 02 2016 16:00 GMT
#1136

I don't think it was a "proper" late game though. It was overall pretty scrappy, which played into TYs hand, with the multitasking and overall style of play.

Unless you define "late game" as "two deathballs collide into gg" I'm not seeing how scrappiness, or lack thereof, is relevant.
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
May 02 2016 16:24 GMT
#1137
On May 03 2016 01:00 Athenau wrote:
Show nested quote +

I don't think it was a "proper" late game though. It was overall pretty scrappy, which played into TYs hand, with the multitasking and overall style of play.

Unless you define "late game" as "two deathballs collide into gg" I'm not seeing how scrappiness, or lack thereof, is relevant.

All I said it was not common. Which we agree.
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
Athenau
Profile Joined March 2015
590 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-02 16:48:39
May 02 2016 16:48 GMT
#1138
On May 03 2016 01:24 Sakat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2016 01:00 Athenau wrote:

I don't think it was a "proper" late game though. It was overall pretty scrappy, which played into TYs hand, with the multitasking and overall style of play.

Unless you define "late game" as "two deathballs collide into gg" I'm not seeing how scrappiness, or lack thereof, is relevant.

All I said it was not common. Which we agree.


Well, no, you said it wasn't "proper" lategame, not that it wasn't common.

Back and forth slugfests seem to be far closer to the norm in LoTV TvP (when the terran doesn't die in the early game), so I wouldn't even say that this sort of game is uncommon.
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
May 02 2016 17:42 GMT
#1139
On May 03 2016 00:53 TheProphet_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2016 08:08 KanoCoke wrote:
On May 02 2016 05:09 TheProphet_ wrote:
Very "strange" finals.

Before the games in the interviews zest says TY cant play late game and that he will exploit TY's weaknesses.

In the two late game macro games of the series TY absolutely demolishes Zest, showing Zest just doesnt know what to do in the late game and cant keep up with the drops and the multitasking.

And then TY decides that rather than take it to the late game and win he would rather repeatedly do late 2 base all ins that no one does using random stuff like 1 thor over and over?

And in the last game TY just makes a series of mistakes that is very hard to swallow. He then finds himself behind but still in the game, what does he do, take it to a macro late game where zest can't keep up or "throw" his units out?

Yea right.

User was warned for this post

One word: NERVES

It's TY's first finals in 9 years, and his mother and longtime fans, as well as mentors came to watch him play.

You try having all that pressure on you and beating the best Protoss player in the world.


I made no accusations so if TL mods could stop handing out infractions like they're traffic cops at the indy 500 thatd be much appreciated.

I hear what everyone is saying but if we go with this version that TY had somewhat of a psychological breakdown, then the result from this series is that TY is the better starcraft player under normal conditions. Zest is more in control of himself pyschologically and didn't choke, good for him, but cheeses and his opponent making game throwing mistakes aside he showed he's not on the same level of multitasking in starcraft. He deserves the championship nonetheless.


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StarKanto
Profile Joined May 2010
France13 Posts
May 02 2016 19:59 GMT
#1140
Zest was so impressive.
Ty played well also but hard to face Zest on a Bo7.
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