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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
March 02 2016 22:10 GMT
#2341
On March 03 2016 07:09 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Probably a dumb question but what does this iem have to do with wcs? will there not be a wcs tournament like last year?

nope
Blizzard basically gave ESL money so that some IEM events would become WCS
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
March 02 2016 22:10 GMT
#2342
On March 03 2016 07:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Did Happy play the same lategame freedom style we dreaded from him or did Hydra prevent him from doing so ?

The games never really got that far. Also Hydra lost that game, lol.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
March 02 2016 22:11 GMT
#2343
On March 03 2016 07:09 Musicus wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm searching the Neeb Hypetrain, anybody know where I can find it?

Looks like the kid is figured out in actual important matches?
WriterMaru
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24203 Posts
March 02 2016 22:11 GMT
#2344
On March 03 2016 07:09 Musicus wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm searching the Neeb Hypetrain, anybody know where I can find it?

He doesn't play like that lately. Nerves, or Kelazhur playing especially well (but from what I saw in g3, more likely the first option).
VengefulTree
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada637 Posts
March 02 2016 22:11 GMT
#2345
Can anyone explain to me why toss comps are so gateway focused in Lotv PvT? I understand the colo was nerfed and the adept make for a better staple unit than the zealots, but still, is blink/adept the best mid-game composition toss can get? Isn't it worth it to get at least archons/storm, or some disruptors?

Plus, blink/adept seems super-boring to me in term of micro. Even the viking vs colo duels of Hots were better.
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seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
March 02 2016 22:11 GMT
#2346
On March 03 2016 07:10 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 07:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Did Happy play the same lategame freedom style we dreaded from him or did Hydra prevent him from doing so ?

The games never really got that far. Also Hydra lost that game, lol.

Happy will easily destroy hydra in late game...
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2953 Posts
March 02 2016 22:12 GMT
#2347
On March 03 2016 07:10 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 07:09 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Probably a dumb question but what does this iem have to do with wcs? will there not be a wcs tournament like last year?

nope
Blizzard basically gave ESL money so that some IEM events would lock out the Koreans and become WCS


/fixed

wtf was with all the Neeb hype? He's really not that impressive.
OsaX Nymloth
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland3244 Posts
March 02 2016 22:12 GMT
#2348
I guess putting Neeb in my 'contenders' list was a mistake wtf. His plays vs Polt actually were impressive and now this.
Come on, don't make me look bad, win next two games!
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24203 Posts
March 02 2016 22:12 GMT
#2349
On March 03 2016 07:11 VengefulTree wrote:
Can anyone explain to me why toss comps are so gateway focused in Lotv PvT? I understand the colo was nerfed and the adept make for a better staple unit than the zealots, but still, is blink/adept the best mid-game composition toss can get? Isn't it worth it to get at least archons/storm, or some disruptors?

Plus, blink/adept seems super-boring to me in term of micro. Even the viking vs colo duels of Hots were better.

Blink adept + a handful of sentries has a sick timing in PvT. But in the long run you need storm into tempests or colossi. I hope we see some more colossi games, I think this is by far the most reliable option even though that's less compatible with extremely quick 3rds.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
March 02 2016 22:12 GMT
#2350
Central protocol for last game? This mappool is too horrible already :x
WriterMaru
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
March 02 2016 22:13 GMT
#2351
On March 03 2016 07:11 VengefulTree wrote:
Can anyone explain to me why toss comps are so gateway focused in Lotv PvT? I understand the colo was nerfed and the adept make for a better staple unit than the zealots, but still, is blink/adept the best mid-game composition toss can get? Isn't it worth it to get at least archons/storm, or some disruptors?

Plus, blink/adept seems super-boring to me in term of micro. Even the viking vs colo duels of Hots were better.

Adept/stalker/sentry is very strong, if you add immortals it's really crazy in the midgame, then it gets weaker the more liberators come out. Definitely should add AoE at some point.
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Grizvok
Profile Joined August 2014
United States711 Posts
March 02 2016 22:13 GMT
#2352
On March 03 2016 07:11 VengefulTree wrote:
Can anyone explain to me why toss comps are so gateway focused in Lotv PvT? I understand the colo was nerfed and the adept make for a better staple unit than the zealots, but still, is blink/adept the best mid-game composition toss can get? Isn't it worth it to get at least archons/storm, or some disruptors?

Plus, blink/adept seems super-boring to me in term of micro. Even the viking vs colo duels of Hots were better.


Crazy mineral incomes = more gateway stuff.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24203 Posts
March 02 2016 22:13 GMT
#2353
On March 03 2016 07:12 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 07:10 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 03 2016 07:09 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Probably a dumb question but what does this iem have to do with wcs? will there not be a wcs tournament like last year?

nope
Blizzard basically gave ESL money so that some IEM events would lock out the Koreans and become WCS


/fixed

wtf was with all the Neeb hype? He's really not that impressive.

to be fair he had impressive moments recently with incredible mouse precision and awesome decisiveness. Maybe he's feeling the pressure today, and it's not over anyway.
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
March 02 2016 22:13 GMT
#2354
On March 03 2016 07:11 VengefulTree wrote:
Can anyone explain to me why toss comps are so gateway focused in Lotv PvT? I understand the colo was nerfed and the adept make for a better staple unit than the zealots, but still, is blink/adept the best mid-game composition toss can get? Isn't it worth it to get at least archons/storm, or some disruptors?

Plus, blink/adept seems super-boring to me in term of micro. Even the viking vs colo duels of Hots were better.

You still reply on AOE when liberator comeout.
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
March 02 2016 22:13 GMT
#2355
I still believe in Neeb. He was down 2-1 vs Hydra and came back, he can do it vs Kelazhur
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DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
March 02 2016 22:13 GMT
#2356
On March 03 2016 07:12 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 07:10 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 03 2016 07:09 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Probably a dumb question but what does this iem have to do with wcs? will there not be a wcs tournament like last year?

nope
Blizzard basically gave ESL money so that some IEM events would lock out the Koreans and become WCS


/fixed

wtf was with all the Neeb hype? He's really not that impressive.


He's been having great results online all over these past few weeks, people were excited to see if he could play as well offline.
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chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
March 02 2016 22:14 GMT
#2357
On March 03 2016 07:12 Swisslink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 07:10 OtherWorld wrote:
On March 03 2016 07:09 SharkStarcraft wrote:
Probably a dumb question but what does this iem have to do with wcs? will there not be a wcs tournament like last year?

nope
Blizzard basically gave ESL money so that some IEM events would lock out the Koreans and become WCS


/fixed

wtf was with all the Neeb hype? He's really not that impressive.


He beat Hydra and Polt to win the qualifier here. Or maybe it was the next WCS event.

Point is he's good.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 02 2016 22:14 GMT
#2358
On March 03 2016 07:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 07:09 Musicus wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm searching the Neeb Hypetrain, anybody know where I can find it?

He doesn't play like that lately. Nerves, or Kelazhur playing especially well (but from what I saw in g3, more likely the first option).


Okay, I'll believe it. I mean I've never seen his games so far, only the results. So I am kinda disappointed right now. But offline with 6k on the line is a different beast of course.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9390 Posts
March 02 2016 22:14 GMT
#2359
On March 03 2016 07:10 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 07:08 Hider wrote:
I guess Neeb's gameplan was to kill Kelzahur in a 3 base vs 3 base mass gateway all in? But becuase Kel greeded so much he never had the army advantage he needed.

It was. And it should have worked because Kelazhur gladly came to him and lost everything. With no turret at the natural for ages he also lost a lot to harass. Still, Neeb never had anything to fall back on (his absurdly late colo transition made no sense) and once Kelazhur had 5+ libs it was over.


When you open Stargate shouldn't you also be more willing to play the late game macro game? Because it makes it easier to transition into Tempests which you eventually are gonna need on this map. It just seemed weird that he gambled that much on the 3 base timing on this map. No viable B-plan.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-02 22:15:47
March 02 2016 22:14 GMT
#2360
On March 03 2016 07:11 seemsgood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2016 07:10 Elentos wrote:
On March 03 2016 07:08 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Did Happy play the same lategame freedom style we dreaded from him or did Hydra prevent him from doing so ?

The games never really got that far. Also Hydra lost that game, lol.

Happy will easily destroy hydra in late game...

He lost the first game in the late game, pretty hard actually, but he never managed to get out ghosts so it's not quite the same.
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