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On February 17 2016 08:26 nadavu wrote:
Forcing SortOF to play the game again is the equivalent of forcing runners to redo the 100 m dash because there was something wrong with the cameras.
Honestly, I love BTTV, but every now and then Rifkin does or says something so annoying I have to take a break for 2-3 weeks.
Yup agree with both statement :/
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Rifkin should've told the whole truth on stream. Instead he gives a really short explanation omitting details that make him look good and sortof look bad.
I still side with Rifkin, but he gets a D+ in PR relations with the public for his one-sided story. 
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On February 17 2016 08:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Rifkin should've told the whole truth on stream. Instead he gives a really short explanation omitting details that make him look good and sortof look bad. I still side with Rifkin, but he gets a D+ in PR relations with the public for his one-sided story.
I thought you get A+ in PR for one-sided stories.
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On February 17 2016 08:26 Faefae wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:21 SChlafmann wrote:
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Sortof asked Fck to host, so he did, and started game w/o the casters cause he forgot.
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Is it true ? Some other guy wrote that firecake pressed Sortof to host the game... Anyway I think if the 1st game was already played they should have just casted the replay and the second game live. If BTTV really meant to sent a message like "never ever play a game without caster" then they should have disqualified both players (WTF is that ban ? that doesnt make any sens)
I believe it to be true yes. Firecake said so on his stream, but I wasn't there when it started so I can't confirm. Thing is that both players were made aware to wait for caster, so both are to blame here. Sortof could just refuse to play instead of saying "I won the game, so we keep the win or I forfeit".
The raction of Sortof is childish. When you are a pro and take part in a tournament, you just follow what admins are saying. If you prefer to forfeit and take a 2 months ban, then you just have to grow up.
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On February 17 2016 08:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Rifkin should've told the whole truth on stream. Instead he gives a really short explanation omitting details that make him look good and sortof look bad. I still side with Rifkin, but he gets a D+ in PR relations with the public for his one-sided story.
The truth? Which is?
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Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
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On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote:
Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
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BTTV should've published a ruleset before this event.
then Rifkin can just say .. sortof is out due to Page 4, Paragragh b, rule (ii).
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Poor sortof having to deal with this shit. :p
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On February 17 2016 08:39 SChlafmann wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote:
Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.
Just warn FireCake and cast the replay.
Edit: The fact that all qualifying games have to be casted is not in the rules
http://www.basetrade.tv/rules/
The relevant rule is:
If an admin request you hold your match, YOU MUST WAIT. If you begin your match without admin approval, that score will not count.
But they only told FireCake and not SortOf.
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Little Kings in their Little Kingdoms
I hope this doesn't sour Ting's support.
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On February 17 2016 08:48 Talula wrote:
Little Kings in their Little Kingdoms
I hope this doesn't sour Ting's support.
this mistake should not immerse the entire event in a fog of despair. Outside of this bad move its been really nicely done by BTTV. The problem is they will now begin to circle the wagons and defend everything they do with their last breath.
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On February 17 2016 08:47 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:39 SChlafmann wrote:On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote:
Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count. SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again. https://twitter.com/SortOfSC/status/699737040640987138Just warn FireCake and cast the replay.
Ok, I thought he knew, my bad.
Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that.
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On February 17 2016 08:51 SChlafmann wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:47 Musicus wrote:On February 17 2016 08:39 SChlafmann wrote:On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote:
Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count. SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again. https://twitter.com/SortOfSC/status/699737040640987138Just warn FireCake and cast the replay. Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that.
depends on the real life job.
if you're a toronto cop you can shoot a 120 lb guy 9 times who is 20 feet away from you holding a 2 inch knife surrounded by police officers and you get 6 months paid vacation .. and when you are declared guilty by jury they still don't even convict you.
you can do lots of bad things and not get fired if you have a strong enough union.
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On February 17 2016 08:51 SChlafmann wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:47 Musicus wrote:On February 17 2016 08:39 SChlafmann wrote:On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote:
Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count. SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again. https://twitter.com/SortOfSC/status/699737040640987138Just warn FireCake and cast the replay. Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that.
What do you mean with "real life" job. This is a competition, playing this game again makes the competition and the results a joke. In no other sport would a game like this be played again, if only one team was aware of the rules and is at fault. If a rematch was really enforced, every professional sportsman/team would and should complain.
Once again, warn FireCake and cast the replay. Everybody is happy, no drama at all, the bracket is fine.
If they really want to punish someone, just DQ FireCake for starting the game after explicitly being told not to (I would not agree with this since it was an honest mistake from FireCake I think, but it's 100 times better than forcing SortOf to play again).
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On February 17 2016 08:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:51 SChlafmann wrote:On February 17 2016 08:47 Musicus wrote:On February 17 2016 08:39 SChlafmann wrote:On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote:
Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count. SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again. https://twitter.com/SortOfSC/status/699737040640987138Just warn FireCake and cast the replay. Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that. depends on the real life job. if you're a toronto cop you can shoot a 120 lb guy 9 times who is 20 feet away from you holding a 2 inch knife surrounded by police officers and you get 6 months paid vacation .. and when you are declared guilty by jury they still don't even convict you. you can do lots of bad things and not get fired if you have a strong enough union.
This is the exact tangent we need to get on
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On February 17 2016 08:59 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:51 SChlafmann wrote:On February 17 2016 08:47 Musicus wrote:On February 17 2016 08:39 SChlafmann wrote:On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote:
Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count. SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again. https://twitter.com/SortOfSC/status/699737040640987138Just warn FireCake and cast the replay. Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that. What do you mean with "real life" job. This is a competition, playing this game again makes the competition and the results a joke. In no other sport would a game like this be played again, if only one team was aware of the rules and is at fault. If a rematch was really enforced, every professional sportsman/team would and should complain. Once again, warn FireCake and cast the replay. Everybody is happy, no drama at all, the bracket is fine. If they really want to punish someone, just DQ FireCake for starting the game after explicitly being told not to (I would not agree with this since it was an honest mistake from FireCake I think, but it's 100 times better than forcing SortOf to play again).
Taking in account a game that wasn't played acccording to the rules feels quite amateurish no? To me, the right decision was to warn Firecake for the stupid mistake, obviously. Then try to find a way with the player. I believe Firecake would have accepted the loss if asked, but it wasn't the case from my understanding.
Sortof just got mad straight and chose the ban. As such, it is deserved.
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On February 17 2016 09:00 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On February 17 2016 08:51 SChlafmann wrote:On February 17 2016 08:47 Musicus wrote:On February 17 2016 08:39 SChlafmann wrote:On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote:
Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count. SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again. https://twitter.com/SortOfSC/status/699737040640987138Just warn FireCake and cast the replay. Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that. depends on the real life job. if you're a toronto cop you can shoot a 120 lb guy 9 times who is 20 feet away from you holding a 2 inch knife surrounded by police officers and you get 6 months paid vacation .. and when you are declared guilty by jury they still don't even convict you. you can do lots of bad things and not get fired if you have a strong enough union. This is the exact tangent we need to get on
no one is getting fired so i have no idea why that guy brought it up and went off on a tangent.
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On February 17 2016 09:14 SChlafmann wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:59 Musicus wrote:On February 17 2016 08:51 SChlafmann wrote:On February 17 2016 08:47 Musicus wrote:On February 17 2016 08:39 SChlafmann wrote:On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote:
Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count. SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again. https://twitter.com/SortOfSC/status/699737040640987138Just warn FireCake and cast the replay. Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that. What do you mean with "real life" job. This is a competition, playing this game again makes the competition and the results a joke. In no other sport would a game like this be played again, if only one team was aware of the rules and is at fault. If a rematch was really enforced, every professional sportsman/team would and should complain. Once again, warn FireCake and cast the replay. Everybody is happy, no drama at all, the bracket is fine. If they really want to punish someone, just DQ FireCake for starting the game after explicitly being told not to (I would not agree with this since it was an honest mistake from FireCake I think, but it's 100 times better than forcing SortOf to play again). Taking in account a game that wasn't played acccording to the rules feels quite amateurish no? To me, the right decision was to warn Firecake for the stupid mistake, obviously. Then try to find a way with the player. I believe Firecake would have accepted the loss if asked, but it wasn't the case from my understanding. Sortof just got mad straight and chose the ban. As such, it is deserved.
Well it was played according to the rules though.
http://www.basetrade.tv/rules/
The only rule is that was broken is
If an admin request you hold your match, YOU MUST WAIT. If you begin your match without admin approval, that score will not count.
http://challonge.com/TINGWCQual2
But only FireCake was told not to start the game without casters, SortOf didn't know. Since no admin requested of SortOf to hold the match, he didn't break any rules.
If they had told both players to wait with the game, or something was in the rules which would've told SortOf that casters had to be in this game, I would agree with you!
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On February 17 2016 09:14 SChlafmann wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:59 Musicus wrote:On February 17 2016 08:51 SChlafmann wrote:On February 17 2016 08:47 Musicus wrote:On February 17 2016 08:39 SChlafmann wrote:On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote:
Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count. SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again. https://twitter.com/SortOfSC/status/699737040640987138Just warn FireCake and cast the replay. Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that. What do you mean with "real life" job. This is a competition, playing this game again makes the competition and the results a joke. In no other sport would a game like this be played again, if only one team was aware of the rules and is at fault. If a rematch was really enforced, every professional sportsman/team would and should complain. Once again, warn FireCake and cast the replay. Everybody is happy, no drama at all, the bracket is fine. If they really want to punish someone, just DQ FireCake for starting the game after explicitly being told not to (I would not agree with this since it was an honest mistake from FireCake I think, but it's 100 times better than forcing SortOf to play again). Taking in account a game that wasn't played acccording to the rules feels quite amateurish no? To me, the right decision was to warn Firecake for the stupid mistake, obviously. Then try to find a way with the player. I believe Firecake would have accepted the loss if asked, but it wasn't the case from my understanding. Sortof just got mad straight and chose the ban. As such, it is deserved.
there is no published rule set.
Rifkin just said "cause rules".
i didn't see it anywhere in the event related published stuff and Rifkin never named the rule # specifically in his overly simplified explanation.
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