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Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
February 17 2016 05:18 GMT
#121
Never seen such unprofessional behaviour from a caster, and so many lies.
Sure you can change a rule, but you can't change a rule after something happened and apply it to previous events.

Rifkin outright lying:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soav86

As you see he says "_HE_ (SortOf) Grabbed firecake and logged onto EU before admin had chance to message him"

Well, hm sounds somewhat okay I guess?
Let's see what Actually happened :
https://gyazo.com/e5869b8138b08931a8aabb6735ffc1d7

Here you CLEARLY see the ADMIN telling SortOf to go to the EU server after the game was played, on instruction by RIFKIN.

Rifkin is the lowest of the low, he is what hurts the legitimacy of Esports. If we want starcraft to thrive as a game, we need to get rid of pathetic immature front figures of him. It is also quite disgraceful by him to the sponsor TING to handle something in their name so awfully and then completely lie about it.

Atleast now I know to not watch their content ever again


User was warned for this post
Have a nice day ;)
BasetradeTV
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Canada1307 Posts
February 17 2016 06:01 GMT
#122
On February 17 2016 14:18 Dumbledore wrote:
Never seen such unprofessional behaviour from a caster, and so many lies.
Sure you can change a rule, but you can't change a rule after something happened and apply it to previous events.

Rifkin outright lying:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soav86

As you see he says "_HE_ (SortOf) Grabbed firecake and logged onto EU before admin had chance to message him"

Well, hm sounds somewhat okay I guess?
Let's see what Actually happened :
https://gyazo.com/e5869b8138b08931a8aabb6735ffc1d7

Here you CLEARLY see the ADMIN telling SortOf to go to the EU server after the game was played, on instruction by RIFKIN.

Rifkin is the lowest of the low, he is what hurts the legitimacy of Esports. If we want starcraft to thrive as a game, we need to get rid of pathetic immature front figures of him. It is also quite disgraceful by him to the sponsor TING to handle something in their name so awfully and then completely lie about it.

Atleast now I know to not watch their content ever again


Surely you can't be this stupid? Trying to source desrows screenshots as evidence with no clue as to the fact that they are from after the whole incident took place? How dare you be so stupid, please do me the favour of never coming to our channel again, it'd truly be a blessing <3

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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada18041 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-17 06:04:09
February 17 2016 06:02 GMT
#123
even if he is lying ... as long as he pays out the $5,000 and runs the event the way BTTV usually runs things he is still of value to the community. and BTTV does good stuff over all. if he is lying though.. that stings.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Richasliodo
Profile Joined January 2016
18 Posts
February 17 2016 06:05 GMT
#124
that prize pool isnt bad

Watched a few games on Twitch this morning
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada18041 Posts
February 17 2016 06:23 GMT
#125
Dumbledore's overly harsh criticism should be levied at guys who don't pay their prize pools. While Rifkin can sometimes circle the wagons and say "we never do anything wrong" at the worst moments I don't think the guy is a fraud at all. Rifkin has demonstrated high integrity over a long time period. My biggest criticism of the guy is he sometimes fails at PR. What can you expect though.. its not like BTTV employs 200 people along with a professional company spokesperson.

considering the resources one can reasonably allocate to this event i think we're getting a pretty good show.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 17 2016 06:40 GMT
#126
On February 17 2016 15:01 BasetradeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2016 14:18 Dumbledore wrote:
Never seen such unprofessional behaviour from a caster, and so many lies.
Sure you can change a rule, but you can't change a rule after something happened and apply it to previous events.

Rifkin outright lying:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soav86

As you see he says "_HE_ (SortOf) Grabbed firecake and logged onto EU before admin had chance to message him"

Well, hm sounds somewhat okay I guess?
Let's see what Actually happened :
https://gyazo.com/e5869b8138b08931a8aabb6735ffc1d7

Here you CLEARLY see the ADMIN telling SortOf to go to the EU server after the game was played, on instruction by RIFKIN.

Rifkin is the lowest of the low, he is what hurts the legitimacy of Esports. If we want starcraft to thrive as a game, we need to get rid of pathetic immature front figures of him. It is also quite disgraceful by him to the sponsor TING to handle something in their name so awfully and then completely lie about it.

Atleast now I know to not watch their content ever again


Surely you can't be this stupid? Trying to source desrows screenshots as evidence with no clue as to the fact that they are from after the whole incident took place? How dare you be so stupid, please do me the favour of never coming to our channel again, it'd truly be a blessing <3


You aren't immune to the rules, no need for name calling.
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Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-17 06:47:07
February 17 2016 06:43 GMT
#127
Since Firecake was apparently the only one informed, they should have punished him with a loss of a game (plus the one he already lost) and sent him to the loser bracket. Instead they punish the player that not only won, but didn't know they were supposed to wait for cast. It seems very unfair to SortOf and extremely fortuitous to FireCake, who was ironically the only person to break the rules since he was the only one informed.

Honestly, who would want to replay a game they already won while never breaking any rule (to their knowledge). If Firecake would have won I could understand a reset (on a dif. map). It's a bit unprofessional to not inform both players that they must wait AND on top of that punish the one they didn't inform for breaking a rule he didn't know was in place.
$♥$
Tes-Jaf
Profile Joined February 2016
3 Posts
February 17 2016 06:45 GMT
#128
from what i can read about all the sortof question,i think is not sortof fault but bttv why not simply cast the replay?btw i can only judge by reading this thread so i dont know all the details but banning for 2 month is just low i rlly dont knwo the reason behind this
Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-17 08:08:20
February 17 2016 07:55 GMT
#129
On February 17 2016 15:01 BasetradeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2016 14:18 Dumbledore wrote:
Never seen such unprofessional behaviour from a caster, and so many lies.
Sure you can change a rule, but you can't change a rule after something happened and apply it to previous events.

Rifkin outright lying:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soav86

As you see he says "_HE_ (SortOf) Grabbed firecake and logged onto EU before admin had chance to message him"

Well, hm sounds somewhat okay I guess?
Let's see what Actually happened :
https://gyazo.com/e5869b8138b08931a8aabb6735ffc1d7

Here you CLEARLY see the ADMIN telling SortOf to go to the EU server after the game was played, on instruction by RIFKIN.

Rifkin is the lowest of the low, he is what hurts the legitimacy of Esports. If we want starcraft to thrive as a game, we need to get rid of pathetic immature front figures of him. It is also quite disgraceful by him to the sponsor TING to handle something in their name so awfully and then completely lie about it.

Atleast now I know to not watch their content ever again


Surely you can't be this stupid? Trying to source desrows screenshots as evidence with no clue as to the fact that they are from after the whole incident took place? How dare you be so stupid, please do me the favour of never coming to our channel again, it'd truly be a blessing <3


I was in the channel, I think I have a better understanding than you of the events that occured. I didn't take my own screenshots though, I didn't expect anything to escalate this far. I was wrong, I was also wrong in thinking that you were a person to expect professionalism from. And please, sarcasm doesn't make you look cool.
Try to be the big man, bring some honesty to the table, people respect the truth.

Edit--
Also why do you act like FireCake had no choice but to follow SortOf? He is capable to act on his own. To say that SortOf grabbed him is just silly.
Have a nice day ;)
JonSki
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom126 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-17 13:23:32
February 17 2016 13:20 GMT
#130
Didn't really expect anything else from BTTV there ego's have ballooned, i mean Rifkin cant even take being called a vampire on the chin.....hold up..... sucking the sc2 life blood from SortOf......confirmed sc2 vampire??

On topic though why didn't they just cast this from a replay and ask them to hold on15 mins (however long game one was) surely would have been the logical and quickest choice.

"Keep St. George in my heart keep me English"
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
February 17 2016 16:20 GMT
#131
Sounds like I missed some #drama.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Thorantham
Profile Joined September 2010
United States221 Posts
February 17 2016 16:22 GMT
#132
On February 17 2016 15:01 BasetradeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2016 14:18 Dumbledore wrote:
Never seen such unprofessional behaviour from a caster, and so many lies.
Sure you can change a rule, but you can't change a rule after something happened and apply it to previous events.

Rifkin outright lying:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soav86

As you see he says "_HE_ (SortOf) Grabbed firecake and logged onto EU before admin had chance to message him"

Well, hm sounds somewhat okay I guess?
Let's see what Actually happened :
https://gyazo.com/e5869b8138b08931a8aabb6735ffc1d7

Here you CLEARLY see the ADMIN telling SortOf to go to the EU server after the game was played, on instruction by RIFKIN.

Rifkin is the lowest of the low, he is what hurts the legitimacy of Esports. If we want starcraft to thrive as a game, we need to get rid of pathetic immature front figures of him. It is also quite disgraceful by him to the sponsor TING to handle something in their name so awfully and then completely lie about it.

Atleast now I know to not watch their content ever again


Surely you can't be this stupid? Trying to source desrows screenshots as evidence with no clue as to the fact that they are from after the whole incident took place? How dare you be so stupid, please do me the favour of never coming to our channel again, it'd truly be a blessing <3

User was warned for this post


And this is why basetradetv is dead to me. Rifkin thinks he can just tell his viewers they are stupid and has the right to tell players to 'fuck off' as he said on stream yesterday. No appreciation for his audience.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada18041 Posts
February 17 2016 17:16 GMT
#133
people are saying "sortof got screwed" or that "Rifkin screwed sortof"..

i partially agree with this and i'd have to say that.
..
he sortof got screwed
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
meepy412
Profile Joined December 2015
2 Posts
February 17 2016 19:35 GMT
#134
Totally unprofessional all you need to say.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
February 17 2016 19:43 GMT
#135
Is that the real TANGTANG? Please be the real TANGTANG
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-17 19:49:02
February 17 2016 19:48 GMT
#136
On February 17 2016 10:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
^^ true. Rifkin should've provided a more detailed explanation. i'm 51% in favour of Rifkin on this debacle. When if he handled it in a much more transparent way I would've been 90% in favour of Rifkin.

if Rifkin continues with this "i never make errors ever" act it just adds fuel to the fire of the growing mob of people who've been banned from his chat for borderline innocuous stuff and can't wait to trash him in every public forum possible for the slightest transgression.

Show nested quote +
On February 17 2016 08:47 Musicus wrote:
On February 17 2016 08:39 SChlafmann wrote:
On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote:
Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv

Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.


SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.



Just warn FireCake and cast the replay.

Edit: The fact that all qualifying games have to be casted is not in the rules

http://www.basetrade.tv/rules/

The relevant rule is:

If an admin request you hold your match, YOU MUST WAIT. If you begin your match without admin approval, that score will not count.


But they only told FireCake and not SortOf.


the word "request" is no where in
http://www.basetrade.tv/rules/

furthermore, there is no rule using the phrase "the score will not count".

are you just making shit up? or what?

you probably are referring to this rule which i copy and pasted from the site
"Admins may postpone a match to allow casters or observers to join"

there is nothing in the rule that says "score will not count". Furthermore, the vague verb tense in the rule makes it sound like it is a match that is about to occur but has not begun yet. You can not postpone a match already in progress. The wording is vague, however, its clear someone somewhere broke the spirit of the rule.


The rule I quoted is here http://challonge.com/TINGWCQual2

Weirdly enough it's not on the tournament page for yesterday's qualifier.

http://challonge.com/TINGWCQual1

No, I don't make shit up .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
February 17 2016 20:08 GMT
#137
Is Naniwa back in Sweden?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
meepy412
Profile Joined December 2015
2 Posts
February 17 2016 20:22 GMT
#138
Believe Nani is still in Florida.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
February 17 2016 21:33 GMT
#139
On February 18 2016 04:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Is that the real TANGTANG? Please be the real TANGTANG

I think it is. I thought he retired but he only left prime.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9224 Posts
February 17 2016 23:03 GMT
#140
Really cool to see Nani back! I hope he makes it.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
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