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*The prize pool is provided entirely by TING, players will have 60 days to claim their prize or forfeit it back to the sponsor.
This tournament is online only and will feature qualifiers leading into 2 group stages, leading to a RO8 single elimination. Qualifiers will be all Bo3, all group stage matches will be Bo5, semi-finals will be Bo7 and the grand finals will be a Bo9. All dates posted are tentative and subject to change based on conflicts of interest and player's schedules.
QUALIFIER DETAILS (more details below) 2 North American Qualifiers (3 spots per qualifier, double elimination) - CANADA, UNITED STATES, MEXICO 2 European Qualifiers (3 spots per qualifier, double elimination) 2 Korean Qualifiers (3 spots per qualifier, double elimination) - KOREA, JAPAN, CHINA/TAIWAN 2 Wild Card (GLOBAL) Qualifiers (3 spots per qualifier, double elimination)
*Eligibility for each qualifier will be based on residency. To be perfectly clear, it you are a North American citizen living in Korea, you must play the Korean/Wild Card qualifiers. If you are a European living in America, you must play the North American qualifiers. Any regions that aren't listed must compete in the wild card qualifier (SEA/South Africa/etc)
There will be 8 Invite spots reserved to be issued after the qualifiers, and will most likely be used to invite those that failed back, based on performance. Invite slots are entirely up to TING to use as they see fit!
*Please keep in mind all dates are tentative and subject to change based on player schedules as well as other tournament conflicts 현재 스케쥴은 잠정적인 것이며, 선수들의 스케쥴과 다른 토너먼트와의 스케쥴등으로 바뀔 수 있습니다.
GROUP STAGE #1 INFO Every group will be filled with players from that region, except the wild card group (which is unknown who will qualify into it). After winning your group, you will be moved to stage #2 where random draw will decide your group fate.
GROUP STAGE #1 정보 모든 그룹은 와일드 카드를 제외한 각각 지역의 팀들로 구성되어 집니다. GROUP STAGE #1에서 상위 라운드로 진출하게 되면, 추첨을 통해 다음 상대가 결정되어 집니다.
KOREAN GROUP INFO Group #1 Feb 18 Group #2 Feb 25
EUROPEAN GROUP INFO Group #1 Feb 22 Group #2 Feb 29
NORTH AMERICAN GROUP INFO Group #1 Feb 19 Group #2 Feb 26
WILD CARD GROUP INFO Group #1 Feb 24 Group #2 Feb 28
GROUP STAGE #2 INFO Random draw of 1st place and 2nd place finishers from Group Stage #1 will be placed into group stage #2 1st/2nd place finishers of group 2 will be seeded directly into a RO8 bracket
GROUP STAGE #2 정보 STAGE #1의 각 조의 1,2등이 랜덤하게 추첨되어 조에 속하게 되며, GROUP STAGE #2의 1,2등은 8강 토너먼트로 진출하게 됩니다.
GROUP A March 8 GROUP B March 9 GROUP C March 10 GROUP D March 11 (PLEASE NOTE THAT THESE DATES CURRENTLY MAY CHANGE DUE TO IEM KATOWICE CONFLICTS)
RO8-> FINALS RO8: March 12 SEMI FINALS: March 13 GRAND FINALS: March 14
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2am and 5am starts for the wildcard qualifiers for east coast AU ouch. 11pm/3am start for west coast and most of SEA too. I get wildcard doesn't refer just to SEA/ANZ, but I assume we have the majority of the players looking to qualify for these spots but the times are pretty brutal. I hope we can potentially shift these a bit as I'd love to play.
On January 23 2016 12:51 PiGStarcraft wrote: 2am and 5am starts for the wildcard qualifiers for east coast AU ouch. 11pm/3am start for west coast and most of SEA too. I get wildcard doesn't refer just to SEA/ANZ, but I assume we have the majority of the players looking to qualify for these spots but the times are pretty brutal. I hope we can potentially shift these a bit as I'd love to play.
On January 23 2016 12:51 PiGStarcraft wrote: 2am and 5am starts for the wildcard qualifiers for east coast AU ouch. 11pm/3am start for west coast and most of SEA too. I get wildcard doesn't refer just to SEA/ANZ, but I assume we have the majority of the players looking to qualify for these spots but the times are pretty brutal. I hope we can potentially shift these a bit as I'd love to play.
While we did fight to allow SEA/ANZ to even compete, the wild card qualifiers are more intended for those that failed in the other qualifiers wanting a second chance, with the acceptance of all the other regions. Groups, Ro8 and Finals will all be bad times for the same people that can't compete in the qualifiers. It's unfortunate, but it's how we have to do it!
On January 23 2016 12:51 PiGStarcraft wrote: 2am and 5am starts for the wildcard qualifiers for east coast AU ouch. 11pm/3am start for west coast and most of SEA too. I get wildcard doesn't refer just to SEA/ANZ, but I assume we have the majority of the players looking to qualify for these spots but the times are pretty brutal. I hope we can potentially shift these a bit as I'd love to play.
While we did fight to allow SEA/ANZ to even compete, the wild card qualifiers are more intended for those that failed in the other qualifiers wanting a second chance, with the acceptance of all the other regions. Groups, Ro8 and Finals will all be bad times for the same people that can't compete in the qualifiers. It's unfortunate, but it's how we have to do it!
Why is it so? Ting demanded it?
Latin Americans, Africans, SEA and Middle East region are really screwed considering that the Wild Cards will go to people who failed at the regional qualifiers... that they can't participate in.
I think it's a bit silly and unnecessary, but I guess they have their reasons.
YESSSSSS! Basetrade hype! Love the work you do for sc2 and the community and I can't wait for this! Rifkin is a rad casting vampire and Zombiegrub is a terran-reppin' hottie :D Love the casts and love their archon mode. They have fun and they play the best race. Spam the interwebs ppl!!! Respek knuckles!
(Note: We've heard some mumurs that the koreans are not a fan of the qualifiers being double elimination. We'll look into this with other players and perhaps adjust future qualifiers)
On February 04 2016 21:32 RussianBear wrote: Nice! Although, I think the tournament is too long (2 group stages, seriously?) for its prize pool to top tier koreans to participate =( =( =( But, I think I saw sOs in qualifiers, so may be I'm wrong.
Basetrade, please, let Pomi cast this cup!!! Yeah, yeah, russians dont give a fuck about rights, an he'll stream this anyway, but the only one who suffer is a viewer like me. He see a source quality from your stream, but we are see restream - a soapy lagging horseshit instead of good picture, so please, save an esporsts in Russia! I guess he'll glad to be an official caster and can do that marketing stuff, or how do you call it, in our native language.
Good Luck guys, and thank you for providing much starcraft content! Sorry for my poor english, from Russia with love!
Pomi is a thief and you should just be watching our stream anyways. We don't care about supporting those who support content theft (you in this instance) sorry.
Congrats to MaSa, Hydra & viOLet on winning the NA qualifier Kelazhur will get the tournament's first invite (loser's seed) based on his crazy run (He's accepted)
Check-in's are under way for the EU Qual #2 http://challonge.com/TINGEUQual2 PLEASE BE SURE TO CHECK-IN, JUST BECAUSE YOUR NAME IS ON THE BRACKET DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE CHECKED IN. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE CONTACT [ADMIN]OLIMOLEY ASAP After the stream is finished today we'll also be figuring out the 2 EU post-invite slots. If you plan to fail, at least do it magnificently so that we are more inclined to bring you back GLADIATOR STYLES!
Also since it's been asked, any EU players that do not qualify & are not selected for invite spots may compete in the wild card qualifiers(at their own risk)
On February 09 2016 02:19 BasetradeTV wrote: Also since it's been asked, any EU players that do not qualify & are not selected for invite spots may compete in the wild card qualifiers(at their own risk)
Wild Card Qualifiers dates were changed to avoid clashing with the WCS Ladder Challenger stuff
One of the times were changed to accommodate SEA/ANZ timezones
Feb 16 @ 1PM PST / Feb 17 @ 10 AM PST
A reminder that anyone from any region can compete in these. The default server is NA CENTRAL, but can be changed if both players agree (or agree to rotate during the Bo3)
On February 12 2016 02:10 jeeeKyyy wrote: nerf adepts pls, terrans are too weak atm.
remove photon overcharge toss can defend 2'nd and 3'rd base too easily vs Z :D
I'm actually glad that this sort of thing happens because it'll get some attention quickly. It's obvious that something is wonky with protoss right now.
Would have followed this if zerg was not that OP (considering the map pool). Kinda sad. Play P and Z myself and love to see the best. But right now its rediculus.
On February 13 2016 10:27 chipmonklord17 wrote: Watching "The Big One" tournament video makes me wish the "Puck is Ironman" thing kept going. It just sort of died really quickly
On February 13 2016 10:27 chipmonklord17 wrote: Watching "The Big One" tournament video makes me wish the "Puck is Ironman" thing kept going. It just sort of died really quickly
It was a caster given nickname that he went with if I remember right. I'm 99% sure the casters called him Ironman day 1 so he rolled with it and played as Ironman for like a week. It was just a cool storyline that got dropped
Ignoring the invited players (1 of each race) we have 1 toss, 10 terran and 7 zerg...
And yet toss can't get a buff, only doubled nerfed. Thank god I did not buy lotv. I only watch lotv, yet it seems toss loses a crazy amount of the times, especially vs zerg... I find it funny how some of even the best NA toss players like state, pili and huk all complain how imba zerg is, makes you wonder how small the percentage of people (aka top tier korean) manage to make toss look even or better in certain situations.
Ive been playing zerg recently, and they are rather easy race. So I guess if I ever get lotv (like in a giveaway or something) at least I will have a race to play....
But back to the topic... There are 6 wildcard spots, maybe basetrade can make it an all toss wildcard... That would bring the numbers closer to parity.
On February 13 2016 12:57 Hotshot wrote: Ignoring the invited players (1 of each race) we have 1 toss, 10 terran and 7 zerg...
And yet toss can't get a buff, only doubled nerfed. Thank god I did not buy lotv. I only watch lotv, yet it seems toss loses a crazy amount of the times, especially vs zerg... I find it funny how some of even the best NA toss players like state, pili and huk all complain how imba zerg is, makes you wonder how small the percentage of people (aka top tier korean) manage to make toss look even or better in certain situations.
Ive been playing zerg recently, and they are rather easy race. So I guess if I ever get lotv (like in a giveaway or something) at least I will have a race to play....
But back to the topic... There are 6 wildcard spots, maybe basetrade can make it an all toss wildcard... That would bring the numbers closer to parity.
Honestly, while I don't like the race distribution, qualifiers are honestly a tough thing to measure balance from. While something may look imba from a certain perspective, there could be a variety of factors like energy level, preparedness, mental state, etc.
Also, look at Protoss mid-late 2014 with the widowmine buff. Terran swung the other way and destroyed Toss for a good amount of time, but with time and map changes, they actually did awful in 2015 with 3 tournament wins. People learned to deal with widowmines, and they'll learn to deal with Zerg.
Now it is questionable whether the widowmine buff was beneficial for the TvP/PvT matchup or if made the matchup more stale, but right now, we just need time for Protoss to adapt.
Important information regarding tonight's qualifier:
- http://challonge.com/TINGWCQual1 - Reminder that time was changed to Tuesday, Feb 16 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) - Server default is NA - Central (players may play off server if both agree) please note that this only applies to Wild Card #1. Wild Card #2 will be European default - Anyone is able to play, rank is not required, and anyone who played in a previous qualifier is allowed to play in this qualifier
I don't understand why people complain about in-stream ads. I'd rather see that become the norm as long as people are responsible with it (like BaseTradeTV is) as it would probably attract more sponsors than "lol I turned on adblock".
Rifkin is so full of shit. The sortof situation could have been easily handled in about 3 minutes by just casting game 2. Instead you wasted like 30 minutes being a cry baby about it and casting 0 games instead of at least 1 of 3.
Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly
On February 17 2016 08:10 LimeNade wrote: Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly
Yeah and they could just replay cast too.
Well the situation just sucks now, since it even messes with the loser bracket. Could've been easily avoided by BTTV imo.
On February 17 2016 08:10 LimeNade wrote: Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly
Yeah and they could just replay cast too.
Well the situation just sucks now, since it even messes with the loser bracket. Could've been easily avoided by BTTV imo.
Agreed, at least rifkin got to run more Ting ads since there were no games being casted.
On February 17 2016 08:10 LimeNade wrote: Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly
Yeah and they could just replay cast too.
Well the situation just sucks now, since it even messes with the loser bracket. Could've been easily avoided by BTTV imo.
I guess Rifkin feels that it's his tournament and his rules are absolute on this after he specifically told Firecake not to play without the casters, so no compromise. Specifically because this was a qualifying match.
On February 17 2016 08:10 LimeNade wrote: Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly
Yeah and they could just replay cast too.
Well the situation just sucks now, since it even messes with the loser bracket. Could've been easily avoided by BTTV imo.
I guess Rifkin feels that it's his tournament and his rules are absolute on this after he specifically told Firecake not to play without the casters, so no compromise. Specifically because this was a qualifying match.
Right, he told Firecake <----- not to play without casters but bans sortof.....????
On February 17 2016 08:10 LimeNade wrote: Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly
Yeah and they could just replay cast too.
Well the situation just sucks now, since it even messes with the loser bracket. Could've been easily avoided by BTTV imo.
I guess Rifkin feels that it's his tournament and his rules are absolute on this after he specifically told Firecake not to play without the casters, so no compromise. Specifically because this was a qualifying match.
Right, he told Firecake <----- not to play without casters but bans sortof.....????
I think Firecake's ok with replaying game 1 but sortof won't have any of it. From Rifkin's perspective, they messed up game 1, so the only thing to do is to replay game 1, which is only prevented by SortOf being unhappy about having to do it seemingly arbitrarily.
On February 17 2016 08:10 LimeNade wrote: Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly
Yeah and they could just replay cast too.
Well the situation just sucks now, since it even messes with the loser bracket. Could've been easily avoided by BTTV imo.
I guess Rifkin feels that it's his tournament and his rules are absolute on this after he specifically told Firecake not to play without the casters, so no compromise. Specifically because this was a qualifying match.
Yeah so FireCake seems to be at fault here? No way you can just force SortOf to play again imo.
Give a warning to FireCake to never start without casters again and cast the replay.
On February 17 2016 08:10 LimeNade wrote: Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly
Yeah and they could just replay cast too.
Well the situation just sucks now, since it even messes with the loser bracket. Could've been easily avoided by BTTV imo.
I guess Rifkin feels that it's his tournament and his rules are absolute on this after he specifically told Firecake not to play without the casters, so no compromise. Specifically because this was a qualifying match.
Yeah so FireCake seems to be at fault here? No way you can just force SortOf to play again imo.
Give a warning to FireCake to never start without casters again and cast the replay.
Rifkin's just not happy that it didn't go the way he intended and he's adamant that they stick with his rules.
On February 17 2016 08:10 LimeNade wrote: Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly
Yeah and they could just replay cast too.
Well the situation just sucks now, since it even messes with the loser bracket. Could've been easily avoided by BTTV imo.
I guess Rifkin feels that it's his tournament and his rules are absolute on this after he specifically told Firecake not to play without the casters, so no compromise. Specifically because this was a qualifying match.
Right, he told Firecake <----- not to play without casters but bans sortof.....????
I think Firecake's ok with replaying game 1 but sortof won't have any of it. From Rifkin's perspective, they messed up game 1, so the only thing to do is to replay game 1, which is only prevented by SortOf being unhappy about having to do it seemingly arbitrarily.
It's not arbitrarily - he won, so now you are telling him he needs to win 3 of 4 not 2 of 3.
Players were told to wait for caster before playing. Sortof asked Fck to host, so he did, and started game w/o the casters cause he forgot. During game, Zombiegrub went on Fck stream to told that the game would not count w/e the results.
On February 17 2016 08:21 SChlafmann wrote: [...] Sortof asked Fck to host, so he did, and started game w/o the casters cause he forgot. [...]
Is it true ? Some other guy wrote that firecake pressed Sortof to host the game... Anyway I think if the 1st game was already played they should have just casted the replay and the second game live.
If BTTV really meant to sent a message like "never ever play a game without caster" then they should have disqualified both players (WTF is that ban ? that doesnt make any sens)
On February 17 2016 08:26 nadavu wrote: Forcing SortOF to play the game again is the equivalent of forcing runners to redo the 100 m dash because there was something wrong with the cameras.
Honestly, I love BTTV, but every now and then Rifkin does or says something so annoying I have to take a break for 2-3 weeks.
Rifkin should've told the whole truth on stream. Instead he gives a really short explanation omitting details that make him look good and sortof look bad.
I still side with Rifkin, but he gets a D+ in PR relations with the public for his one-sided story.
On February 17 2016 08:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Rifkin should've told the whole truth on stream. Instead he gives a really short explanation omitting details that make him look good and sortof look bad.
I still side with Rifkin, but he gets a D+ in PR relations with the public for his one-sided story.
On February 17 2016 08:21 SChlafmann wrote: [...] Sortof asked Fck to host, so he did, and started game w/o the casters cause he forgot. [...]
Is it true ? Some other guy wrote that firecake pressed Sortof to host the game... Anyway I think if the 1st game was already played they should have just casted the replay and the second game live.
If BTTV really meant to sent a message like "never ever play a game without caster" then they should have disqualified both players (WTF is that ban ? that doesnt make any sens)
I believe it to be true yes. Firecake said so on his stream, but I wasn't there when it started so I can't confirm. Thing is that both players were made aware to wait for caster, so both are to blame here. Sortof could just refuse to play instead of saying "I won the game, so we keep the win or I forfeit".
The raction of Sortof is childish. When you are a pro and take part in a tournament, you just follow what admins are saying. If you prefer to forfeit and take a 2 months ban, then you just have to grow up.
On February 17 2016 08:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Rifkin should've told the whole truth on stream. Instead he gives a really short explanation omitting details that make him look good and sortof look bad.
I still side with Rifkin, but he gets a D+ in PR relations with the public for his one-sided story.
Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote: Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote: Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.
Just warn FireCake and cast the replay.
Edit: The fact that all qualifying games have to be casted is not in the rules
On February 17 2016 08:48 Talula wrote: Little Kings in their Little Kingdoms I hope this doesn't sour Ting's support.
this mistake should not immerse the entire event in a fog of despair. Outside of this bad move its been really nicely done by BTTV. The problem is they will now begin to circle the wagons and defend everything they do with their last breath.
On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote: Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.
Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that.
On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote: Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.
Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that.
depends on the real life job.
if you're a toronto cop you can shoot a 120 lb guy 9 times who is 20 feet away from you holding a 2 inch knife surrounded by police officers and you get 6 months paid vacation .. and when you are declared guilty by jury they still don't even convict you.
you can do lots of bad things and not get fired if you have a strong enough union.
On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote: Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.
Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that.
What do you mean with "real life" job. This is a competition, playing this game again makes the competition and the results a joke. In no other sport would a game like this be played again, if only one team was aware of the rules and is at fault. If a rematch was really enforced, every professional sportsman/team would and should complain.
Once again, warn FireCake and cast the replay. Everybody is happy, no drama at all, the bracket is fine.
If they really want to punish someone, just DQ FireCake for starting the game after explicitly being told not to (I would not agree with this since it was an honest mistake from FireCake I think, but it's 100 times better than forcing SortOf to play again).
On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote: Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.
Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that.
depends on the real life job.
if you're a toronto cop you can shoot a 120 lb guy 9 times who is 20 feet away from you holding a 2 inch knife surrounded by police officers and you get 6 months paid vacation .. and when you are declared guilty by jury they still don't even convict you.
you can do lots of bad things and not get fired if you have a strong enough union.
On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote: Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.
Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that.
What do you mean with "real life" job. This is a competition, playing this game again makes the competition and the results a joke. In no other sport would a game like this be played again, if only one team was aware of the rules and is at fault. If a rematch was really enforced, every professional sportsman/team would and should complain.
Once again, warn FireCake and cast the replay. Everybody is happy, no drama at all, the bracket is fine.
If they really want to punish someone, just DQ FireCake for starting the game after explicitly being told not to (I would not agree with this since it was an honest mistake from FireCake I think, but it's 100 times better than forcing SortOf to play again).
Taking in account a game that wasn't played acccording to the rules feels quite amateurish no? To me, the right decision was to warn Firecake for the stupid mistake, obviously. Then try to find a way with the player. I believe Firecake would have accepted the loss if asked, but it wasn't the case from my understanding. Sortof just got mad straight and chose the ban. As such, it is deserved.
On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote: Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.
Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that.
depends on the real life job.
if you're a toronto cop you can shoot a 120 lb guy 9 times who is 20 feet away from you holding a 2 inch knife surrounded by police officers and you get 6 months paid vacation .. and when you are declared guilty by jury they still don't even convict you.
you can do lots of bad things and not get fired if you have a strong enough union.
This is the exact tangent we need to get on
no one is getting fired so i have no idea why that guy brought it up and went off on a tangent.
On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote: Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.
Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that.
What do you mean with "real life" job. This is a competition, playing this game again makes the competition and the results a joke. In no other sport would a game like this be played again, if only one team was aware of the rules and is at fault. If a rematch was really enforced, every professional sportsman/team would and should complain.
Once again, warn FireCake and cast the replay. Everybody is happy, no drama at all, the bracket is fine.
If they really want to punish someone, just DQ FireCake for starting the game after explicitly being told not to (I would not agree with this since it was an honest mistake from FireCake I think, but it's 100 times better than forcing SortOf to play again).
Taking in account a game that wasn't played acccording to the rules feels quite amateurish no? To me, the right decision was to warn Firecake for the stupid mistake, obviously. Then try to find a way with the player. I believe Firecake would have accepted the loss if asked, but it wasn't the case from my understanding. Sortof just got mad straight and chose the ban. As such, it is deserved.
But only FireCake was told not to start the game without casters, SortOf didn't know. Since no admin requested of SortOf to hold the match, he didn't break any rules.
If they had told both players to wait with the game, or something was in the rules which would've told SortOf that casters had to be in this game, I would agree with you!
On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote: Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.
Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that.
What do you mean with "real life" job. This is a competition, playing this game again makes the competition and the results a joke. In no other sport would a game like this be played again, if only one team was aware of the rules and is at fault. If a rematch was really enforced, every professional sportsman/team would and should complain.
Once again, warn FireCake and cast the replay. Everybody is happy, no drama at all, the bracket is fine.
If they really want to punish someone, just DQ FireCake for starting the game after explicitly being told not to (I would not agree with this since it was an honest mistake from FireCake I think, but it's 100 times better than forcing SortOf to play again).
Taking in account a game that wasn't played acccording to the rules feels quite amateurish no? To me, the right decision was to warn Firecake for the stupid mistake, obviously. Then try to find a way with the player. I believe Firecake would have accepted the loss if asked, but it wasn't the case from my understanding. Sortof just got mad straight and chose the ban. As such, it is deserved.
there is no published rule set. Rifkin just said "cause rules". i didn't see it anywhere in the event related published stuff and Rifkin never named the rule # specifically in his overly simplified explanation.
On February 17 2016 09:20 Musicus wrote: The only rule is that was broken is
]If an admin request you hold your match, YOU MUST WAIT. If you begin your match without admin approval, that score will not count.
So it was not within the published rules. Ok it sucks but I don't get what else you are looking for. BTTV took the correct action not to discretit their rules and the tournament.
On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote: Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.
Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that.
What do you mean with "real life" job. This is a competition, playing this game again makes the competition and the results a joke. In no other sport would a game like this be played again, if only one team was aware of the rules and is at fault. If a rematch was really enforced, every professional sportsman/team would and should complain.
Once again, warn FireCake and cast the replay. Everybody is happy, no drama at all, the bracket is fine.
If they really want to punish someone, just DQ FireCake for starting the game after explicitly being told not to (I would not agree with this since it was an honest mistake from FireCake I think, but it's 100 times better than forcing SortOf to play again).
Taking in account a game that wasn't played acccording to the rules feels quite amateurish no? To me, the right decision was to warn Firecake for the stupid mistake, obviously. Then try to find a way with the player. I believe Firecake would have accepted the loss if asked, but it wasn't the case from my understanding. Sortof just got mad straight and chose the ban. As such, it is deserved.
The only rule is that was broken is
If an admin request you hold your match, YOU MUST WAIT. If you begin your match without admin approval, that score will not count.
So it was not within the published rules. Ok it sucks but I don't get what else you are looking for. BTTV took the correct action not to discretit their rules and the tournament.
The problem is, they did not request of SortOf to hold the match.
On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote: Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.
Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that.
What do you mean with "real life" job. This is a competition, playing this game again makes the competition and the results a joke. In no other sport would a game like this be played again, if only one team was aware of the rules and is at fault. If a rematch was really enforced, every professional sportsman/team would and should complain.
Once again, warn FireCake and cast the replay. Everybody is happy, no drama at all, the bracket is fine.
If they really want to punish someone, just DQ FireCake for starting the game after explicitly being told not to (I would not agree with this since it was an honest mistake from FireCake I think, but it's 100 times better than forcing SortOf to play again).
Taking in account a game that wasn't played acccording to the rules feels quite amateurish no? To me, the right decision was to warn Firecake for the stupid mistake, obviously. Then try to find a way with the player. I believe Firecake would have accepted the loss if asked, but it wasn't the case from my understanding. Sortof just got mad straight and chose the ban. As such, it is deserved.
The only rule is that was broken is
If an admin request you hold your match, YOU MUST WAIT. If you begin your match without admin approval, that score will not count.
So it was not within the published rules. Ok it sucks but I don't get what else you are looking for. BTTV took the correct action not to discretit their rules and the tournament.
The problem is, they did not request of SortOf to hold the match.
So what? Rules doesnt apply to him? What kind of rule is that?
One player doesnt respect rules, game doesnt count. Final dot. Is it not about who knows, nor who wins. Rules doesn't have to be smart to be respected. I understand Sortof got mad, but he still lacked of professionalism.
On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote: Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.
Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that.
What do you mean with "real life" job. This is a competition, playing this game again makes the competition and the results a joke. In no other sport would a game like this be played again, if only one team was aware of the rules and is at fault. If a rematch was really enforced, every professional sportsman/team would and should complain.
Once again, warn FireCake and cast the replay. Everybody is happy, no drama at all, the bracket is fine.
If they really want to punish someone, just DQ FireCake for starting the game after explicitly being told not to (I would not agree with this since it was an honest mistake from FireCake I think, but it's 100 times better than forcing SortOf to play again).
Taking in account a game that wasn't played acccording to the rules feels quite amateurish no? To me, the right decision was to warn Firecake for the stupid mistake, obviously. Then try to find a way with the player. I believe Firecake would have accepted the loss if asked, but it wasn't the case from my understanding. Sortof just got mad straight and chose the ban. As such, it is deserved.
The only rule is that was broken is
If an admin request you hold your match, YOU MUST WAIT. If you begin your match without admin approval, that score will not count.
So it was not within the published rules. Ok it sucks but I don't get what else you are looking for. BTTV took the correct action not to discretit their rules and the tournament.
The problem is, they did not request of SortOf to hold the match.
So what? Rules doesnt apply to him? What kind of rule is that?
One player doesnt respect rules, game doesnt count. Final dot. Is it not about who knows, nor who wins. Rules doesn't have to be smart to be respected. I understand Sortof got mad, but he still lacked of professionalism.
Obviuosly both players have to be requested to hold the match, or this can easily be exploited to get a rematch if only 1 player is aware of the fact that casters should be in the game. And also how did he lack professionalism? He did not flame or insult anybody. What he did was very professional. He was trying to uphold the legitimacy of the competition and all the rules that he could've known about. Any player in his postion should refuse to play map 1 again.
On February 17 2016 09:37 ZAiNs wrote: Community casters trying to act like professionals.. -_-
Fixed that for you.
Making this a huge drama is hardly professional But drama is what the community likes so who knows
I fully agree, thus I already said that Sortof wasn't professional. You can't be seriously saying that BTTV by applying the rules is not professional. Drama came from some players reactions mostly I believe.
On February 17 2016 08:39 SChlafmann wrote: [quote] Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.
Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that.
What do you mean with "real life" job. This is a competition, playing this game again makes the competition and the results a joke. In no other sport would a game like this be played again, if only one team was aware of the rules and is at fault. If a rematch was really enforced, every professional sportsman/team would and should complain.
Once again, warn FireCake and cast the replay. Everybody is happy, no drama at all, the bracket is fine.
If they really want to punish someone, just DQ FireCake for starting the game after explicitly being told not to (I would not agree with this since it was an honest mistake from FireCake I think, but it's 100 times better than forcing SortOf to play again).
Taking in account a game that wasn't played acccording to the rules feels quite amateurish no? To me, the right decision was to warn Firecake for the stupid mistake, obviously. Then try to find a way with the player. I believe Firecake would have accepted the loss if asked, but it wasn't the case from my understanding. Sortof just got mad straight and chose the ban. As such, it is deserved.
The only rule is that was broken is
If an admin request you hold your match, YOU MUST WAIT. If you begin your match without admin approval, that score will not count.
So it was not within the published rules. Ok it sucks but I don't get what else you are looking for. BTTV took the correct action not to discretit their rules and the tournament.
The problem is, they did not request of SortOf to hold the match.
So what? Rules doesnt apply to him? What kind of rule is that?
One player doesnt respect rules, game doesnt count. Final dot. Is it not about who knows, nor who wins. Rules doesn't have to be smart to be respected. I understand Sortof got mad, but he still lacked of professionalism.
Obviuosly both players have to be requested to hold the match, or this can easily be exploited to get a rematch if only 1 player is aware of the fact that casters should be in the game. And also how did he lack professionalism? He did not flame or insult anybody. What he did was very professional. He was trying to uphold the legitimacy of the competition and all the rules that he could've known about. Any player in his postion should refuse to play map 1 again.
I agree it can be exploited, which is why I said previously that rules may not be smart. Also, when your first reaction is to disconnect from the game and complain on twitter maybe you are not professional enough. He didn't even try to discuss the case with Firecake.
On February 17 2016 09:37 ZAiNs wrote: Community casters trying to act like professionals.. -_-
Fixed that for you.
Making this a huge drama is hardly professional But drama is what the community likes so who knows
I fully agree, thus I already said that Sortof wasn't professional. You can't be seriously saying that BTTV by applying the rules is not professional. Drama came from some players reactions mostly I believe.
Read SortOf tweets, he was alway professional and only stated facts in a calm manner. He is the one that tried to apply the rules. There is only drama because BTTV made a bad decision and handled the situation very poorly.
SortOf is the only person who is not at fault. Both FireCake and BTTV failed.
I am not biased to any of those people, if anything like FireCake the most out of all them.
On February 17 2016 09:49 SChlafmann wrote: I agree it can be exploited, which is why I said previously that rules may not be smart. Also, when your first reaction is to disconnect from the game and complain on twitter maybe you are not professional enough. He didn't even try to discuss the case with Firecake.
The rule is smart, since it can be assumed that both players have to be requested to hold the game not just one (otherwise it can be exploited). Since SortOf was not informed, the rule was not broken and the game counts.
Well I really have to sleep, if you are still not convinced we can agree to disagree. Was till nice discussing this in a calm manner, good night .
Edit: Just found one last thing. The rule is not even mentioned on today's qualifier page.
On February 17 2016 09:37 ZAiNs wrote: Community casters trying to act like professionals.. -_-
Fixed that for you.
Childish tantrums are the opposite of professionalism. I mean wow, Rifkin giving SortOf a 2 month ban on top of it? How petty can you get?
Rifkin said on stream that he was supposed to permaban SortOf but he was not willing to. This is how it ended up being "only" 2 months. Rules were followed, despite how stupid they are. Stop the drama now and helps providing better rules if you don't like them.
On February 17 2016 09:37 ZAiNs wrote: Community casters trying to act like professionals.. -_-
Fixed that for you.
Making this a huge drama is hardly professional But drama is what the community likes so who knows
I fully agree, thus I already said that Sortof wasn't professional. You can't be seriously saying that BTTV by applying the rules is not professional. Drama came from some players reactions mostly I believe.
Read SortOf tweets, he was alway professional and only stated facts in a calm manner. He is the one that tried to apply the rules. There is only drama because BTTV made a bad decision and handled the situation very poorly.
SortOf is the only person who is not at fault. Both FireCake and BTTV failed.
I am not biased to any of those people, if anything like FireCake the most out of all them.
On February 17 2016 09:49 SChlafmann wrote: I agree it can be exploited, which is why I said previously that rules may not be smart. Also, when your first reaction is to disconnect from the game and complain on twitter maybe you are not professional enough. He didn't even try to discuss the case with Firecake.
The rule is smart, since it can be assumed that both players have to be requested to hold the game not just one (otherwise it can be exploited). Since SortOf was not informed, the rule was not broken and the game counts.
Well I really have to sleep, if you are still not convinced we can agree to disagree. Was till nice discussing this in a calm manner, good night .
I agree that it can be assumed that both players have to be requested to hold the game not just one. Still, the one that has the power to apply the rules did not assumed it. You can disagree, fact is that Rifkin was allowed by the rules to take the decision he took. Maybe if Rifkin was more clear about which part of the rules applies SortOf wouldn't have said in his tweet that no rules support the decision. And the worst part, let's face it, is players not involved starting the drama without trying to know the facts. Aaaaaaaand, good night my dear Good night to you too.
On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote: Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.
Ok, I thought he knew, my bad. Still, no reason to disagree on the re-play, just accept the apologies and start over the serie. Even if you throw,it is still better than 2 months ban. When you prefer to take the 2 months ban, maybe you don't deserve to be called "professional" gamer. A "real life" job would get you fired for less than that.
What do you mean with "real life" job. This is a competition, playing this game again makes the competition and the results a joke. In no other sport would a game like this be played again, if only one team was aware of the rules and is at fault. If a rematch was really enforced, every professional sportsman/team would and should complain.
Once again, warn FireCake and cast the replay. Everybody is happy, no drama at all, the bracket is fine.
If they really want to punish someone, just DQ FireCake for starting the game after explicitly being told not to (I would not agree with this since it was an honest mistake from FireCake I think, but it's 100 times better than forcing SortOf to play again).
Taking in account a game that wasn't played acccording to the rules feels quite amateurish no? To me, the right decision was to warn Firecake for the stupid mistake, obviously. Then try to find a way with the player. I believe Firecake would have accepted the loss if asked, but it wasn't the case from my understanding. Sortof just got mad straight and chose the ban. As such, it is deserved.
The only rule is that was broken is
If an admin request you hold your match, YOU MUST WAIT. If you begin your match without admin approval, that score will not count.
So it was not within the published rules. Ok it sucks but I don't get what else you are looking for. BTTV took the correct action not to discretit their rules and the tournament.
The problem is, they did not request of SortOf to hold the match.
So what? Rules doesnt apply to him? What kind of rule is that?
^^ How can you be so blind? YOU quoted: "If an admin request you hold your match....", the guy told you an admin did not request to hold the match, and your answer is "Rules doesnt apply to him?". The point was the rule does apply and a request was not made to the part about "YOU MUST WAIT" doesn't apply. If you are going to quote the rules then at least be able to follow the logic.
I can't tell if SChlafmann is not writing his thoughts clearly, or if he's contradicting himself.
Regardless, the end result is a poor situation for both BaseTradeTV and SortOf. Better communication was needed from BaseTradeTV to prevent such an occurrence. Placing the blame on SortOf entirely is comical.
^^ true. Rifkin should've provided a more detailed explanation. i'm 51% in favour of Rifkin on this debacle. When if he handled it in a much more transparent way I would've been 90% in favour of Rifkin.
if Rifkin continues with this "i never make errors ever" act it just adds fuel to the fire of the growing mob of people who've been banned from his chat for borderline innocuous stuff and can't wait to trash him in every public forum possible for the slightest transgression.
On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote: Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.
furthermore, there is no rule using the phrase "the score will not count".
are you just making shit up? or what?
you probably are referring to this rule which i copy and pasted from the site "Admins may postpone a match to allow casters or observers to join"
there is nothing in the rule that says "score will not count". Furthermore, the vague verb tense in the rule makes it sound like it is a match that is about to occur but has not begun yet. You can not postpone a match already in progress. The wording is vague, however, its clear someone somewhere broke the spirit of the rule.
BaseTradeTV reserves the right to change the rules at any time.
Whatever they say is right.
Furthermore:
Admins may postpone a match to allow casters or observers to join.
Sounds like BTTV should have at least given FC a formal warning if he knew about that but told SortOf to play the official match (though they don't have to), yet, they explicitely put it in the rules that they can delay matches. Whether SortOf knew about that is besides the point, ignorantia legis non excusat.
Never seen such unprofessional behaviour from a caster, and so many lies. Sure you can change a rule, but you can't change a rule after something happened and apply it to previous events.
Here you CLEARLY see the ADMIN telling SortOf to go to the EU server after the game was played, on instruction by RIFKIN.
Rifkin is the lowest of the low, he is what hurts the legitimacy of Esports. If we want starcraft to thrive as a game, we need to get rid of pathetic immature front figures of him. It is also quite disgraceful by him to the sponsor TING to handle something in their name so awfully and then completely lie about it.
Atleast now I know to not watch their content ever again
On February 17 2016 14:18 Dumbledore wrote: Never seen such unprofessional behaviour from a caster, and so many lies. Sure you can change a rule, but you can't change a rule after something happened and apply it to previous events.
Here you CLEARLY see the ADMIN telling SortOf to go to the EU server after the game was played, on instruction by RIFKIN.
Rifkin is the lowest of the low, he is what hurts the legitimacy of Esports. If we want starcraft to thrive as a game, we need to get rid of pathetic immature front figures of him. It is also quite disgraceful by him to the sponsor TING to handle something in their name so awfully and then completely lie about it.
Atleast now I know to not watch their content ever again
Surely you can't be this stupid? Trying to source desrows screenshots as evidence with no clue as to the fact that they are from after the whole incident took place? How dare you be so stupid, please do me the favour of never coming to our channel again, it'd truly be a blessing <3
even if he is lying ... as long as he pays out the $5,000 and runs the event the way BTTV usually runs things he is still of value to the community. and BTTV does good stuff over all. if he is lying though.. that stings.
Dumbledore's overly harsh criticism should be levied at guys who don't pay their prize pools. While Rifkin can sometimes circle the wagons and say "we never do anything wrong" at the worst moments I don't think the guy is a fraud at all. Rifkin has demonstrated high integrity over a long time period. My biggest criticism of the guy is he sometimes fails at PR. What can you expect though.. its not like BTTV employs 200 people along with a professional company spokesperson.
considering the resources one can reasonably allocate to this event i think we're getting a pretty good show.
On February 17 2016 14:18 Dumbledore wrote: Never seen such unprofessional behaviour from a caster, and so many lies. Sure you can change a rule, but you can't change a rule after something happened and apply it to previous events.
Here you CLEARLY see the ADMIN telling SortOf to go to the EU server after the game was played, on instruction by RIFKIN.
Rifkin is the lowest of the low, he is what hurts the legitimacy of Esports. If we want starcraft to thrive as a game, we need to get rid of pathetic immature front figures of him. It is also quite disgraceful by him to the sponsor TING to handle something in their name so awfully and then completely lie about it.
Atleast now I know to not watch their content ever again
Surely you can't be this stupid? Trying to source desrows screenshots as evidence with no clue as to the fact that they are from after the whole incident took place? How dare you be so stupid, please do me the favour of never coming to our channel again, it'd truly be a blessing <3
You aren't immune to the rules, no need for name calling.
Since Firecake was apparently the only one informed, they should have punished him with a loss of a game (plus the one he already lost) and sent him to the loser bracket. Instead they punish the player that not only won, but didn't know they were supposed to wait for cast. It seems very unfair to SortOf and extremely fortuitous to FireCake, who was ironically the only person to break the rules since he was the only one informed.
Honestly, who would want to replay a game they already won while never breaking any rule (to their knowledge). If Firecake would have won I could understand a reset (on a dif. map). It's a bit unprofessional to not inform both players that they must wait AND on top of that punish the one they didn't inform for breaking a rule he didn't know was in place.
from what i can read about all the sortof question,i think is not sortof fault but bttv why not simply cast the replay?btw i can only judge by reading this thread so i dont know all the details but banning for 2 month is just low i rlly dont knwo the reason behind this
On February 17 2016 14:18 Dumbledore wrote: Never seen such unprofessional behaviour from a caster, and so many lies. Sure you can change a rule, but you can't change a rule after something happened and apply it to previous events.
Here you CLEARLY see the ADMIN telling SortOf to go to the EU server after the game was played, on instruction by RIFKIN.
Rifkin is the lowest of the low, he is what hurts the legitimacy of Esports. If we want starcraft to thrive as a game, we need to get rid of pathetic immature front figures of him. It is also quite disgraceful by him to the sponsor TING to handle something in their name so awfully and then completely lie about it.
Atleast now I know to not watch their content ever again
Surely you can't be this stupid? Trying to source desrows screenshots as evidence with no clue as to the fact that they are from after the whole incident took place? How dare you be so stupid, please do me the favour of never coming to our channel again, it'd truly be a blessing <3
I was in the channel, I think I have a better understanding than you of the events that occured. I didn't take my own screenshots though, I didn't expect anything to escalate this far. I was wrong, I was also wrong in thinking that you were a person to expect professionalism from. And please, sarcasm doesn't make you look cool. Try to be the big man, bring some honesty to the table, people respect the truth.
Edit-- Also why do you act like FireCake had no choice but to follow SortOf? He is capable to act on his own. To say that SortOf grabbed him is just silly.
Didn't really expect anything else from BTTV there ego's have ballooned, i mean Rifkin cant even take being called a vampire on the chin.....hold up..... sucking the sc2 life blood from SortOf......confirmed sc2 vampire??
On topic though why didn't they just cast this from a replay and ask them to hold on15 mins (however long game one was) surely would have been the logical and quickest choice.
On February 17 2016 14:18 Dumbledore wrote: Never seen such unprofessional behaviour from a caster, and so many lies. Sure you can change a rule, but you can't change a rule after something happened and apply it to previous events.
Here you CLEARLY see the ADMIN telling SortOf to go to the EU server after the game was played, on instruction by RIFKIN.
Rifkin is the lowest of the low, he is what hurts the legitimacy of Esports. If we want starcraft to thrive as a game, we need to get rid of pathetic immature front figures of him. It is also quite disgraceful by him to the sponsor TING to handle something in their name so awfully and then completely lie about it.
Atleast now I know to not watch their content ever again
Surely you can't be this stupid? Trying to source desrows screenshots as evidence with no clue as to the fact that they are from after the whole incident took place? How dare you be so stupid, please do me the favour of never coming to our channel again, it'd truly be a blessing <3
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And this is why basetradetv is dead to me. Rifkin thinks he can just tell his viewers they are stupid and has the right to tell players to 'fuck off' as he said on stream yesterday. No appreciation for his audience.
On February 17 2016 10:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ^^ true. Rifkin should've provided a more detailed explanation. i'm 51% in favour of Rifkin on this debacle. When if he handled it in a much more transparent way I would've been 90% in favour of Rifkin.
if Rifkin continues with this "i never make errors ever" act it just adds fuel to the fire of the growing mob of people who've been banned from his chat for borderline innocuous stuff and can't wait to trash him in every public forum possible for the slightest transgression.
On February 17 2016 08:35 IeZaeL wrote: Honestly rifkin is so full of himself I cant even stand him. From my point of view a won map is a won map, If it was firecake that started the match as a host then its his fault and should be grateful to even get the opportunity to replay the game, let alone get a w/o lol. Way to go bttv
Well, let me disagree with that. Both players were aware of the rules, both players have to agree for the game to start and both did. Also, it was decided before the end of the game that it woult not count.
SortOf did not now that they should not start without casters. Only FireCake had this information. FireCake was told not to start without casters and still did. SortOf knew nothing. In no world should he be forced to play that game again.
furthermore, there is no rule using the phrase "the score will not count".
are you just making shit up? or what?
you probably are referring to this rule which i copy and pasted from the site "Admins may postpone a match to allow casters or observers to join"
there is nothing in the rule that says "score will not count". Furthermore, the vague verb tense in the rule makes it sound like it is a match that is about to occur but has not begun yet. You can not postpone a match already in progress. The wording is vague, however, its clear someone somewhere broke the spirit of the rule.
Is this Reynor first appearance in a ""major"" international tournament? Congratulations to this little boy for the qualification. He's got a bright future ahead of him
It has a lot more to do with servers and time zones than anything else. Doing it this way also guarantees eventual KR vs Foreigner action, it just filters out the best of each first :-)
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It has a lot more to do with servers and time zones than anything else. Doing it this way also guarantees eventual KR vs Foreigner action, it just filters out the best of each first :-)
This would be the exact thing I was complaining about. The time zones thing is pretty reasonable I suppose
On February 24 2016 02:30 Propelled wrote: What is this curse they keep talking about?
If players that met in the group earlier end up playing in the final match, the loser of the first always wins the second match. The first winner is "cursed"
If I may ask Rifkin. Why is the group with Nerchio and Mana so far in time considering the rest of groups? All of them in february, yet to see my countryman's I have to wait till march. WTF?
On February 24 2016 06:28 klimuszko wrote: If I may ask Rifkin. Why is the group with Nerchio and Mana so far in time considering the rest of groups? All of them in february, yet to see my countryman's I have to wait till march. WTF?
This was to accommodate the player's schedules, as we always do with tournaments :-)
On February 27 2016 13:29 EatingBomber wrote: hello can someone link me to the stream, liquipedia sidebar not working
That's because it just ended
any vods
It'll be up on their youtube channel in a day or so.
I'd emphasize the "or so" part, as they are currently on the wild card qualifiers, so it might be a few days-a week or two before you see the Ro32 vods or a few weeks before you see these specific vods.
Game 3 Nani vs Elazer, so much harass and work done early game only to get crushed by Lurkers, kinda sad. Protoss doesn't prep for Muta's or Lurkers doesn't seem to matter what you did early game, you still lose.
On February 29 2016 07:15 aeonsies wrote: Game 3 Nani vs Elazer, so much harass and work done early game only to get crushed by Lurkers, kinda sad. Protoss doesn't prep for Muta's or Lurkers doesn't seem to matter what you did early game, you still lose.
At least now we will have 1 toss out of 14 players. So that will help make the tourne more interesting. Would have been a bit of a disaster with no tosses (and if mana gets in, that will be 2/16 players are toss).
On February 29 2016 07:29 Hotshot wrote: At least now we will have 2/16 players toss, instead of 1/16. So that will help make the tourne more interesting. Would have been a bit of a disaster with only 1 toss.
On February 29 2016 07:29 Hotshot wrote: At least now we will have 2/16 players toss, instead of 1/16. So that will help make the tourne more interesting. Would have been a bit of a disaster with only 1 toss.
On February 29 2016 07:29 Hotshot wrote: At least now we will have 2/16 players toss, instead of 1/16. So that will help make the tourne more interesting. Would have been a bit of a disaster with only 1 toss.
Who's the other Toss?
Edited my post, did not notice the EU Group 2 has not played yet.
On February 29 2016 08:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Nani making it through is surprising (and a bit disappointing). I guess he is one of the best foreigners ever though
I think someone should always mention who made it out of the group after it is finished, its a bit annoying to wait for liquipedia to be update a few days later :S
On February 29 2016 08:00 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Nani making it through is surprising (and a bit disappointing). I guess he is one of the best foreigners ever though
why disappointing?
Just not a fan of the dude. Probably shouldn't have said anything.
GROUP STAGE #2 INFO Random draw of 1st place and 2nd place finishers from Group Stage #1 will be placed into group stage #2
Okay so scheduling needs almost amounted to their own version of "seeding" as 11/16 players had requirements we had to work around (example: "can play any day except the 12th" vs "can only play on the 9th"). Not a single player was/is aware of who else is in which group leading into this as it's the first time any of this information is being revealed, so consider it 'blind seeding'?
I was worried at first, but this tournament has now achieved near perfect balance. It is slightly overrepresented on the Terran, but aside from that, every race had close to a 50% advancement rate. Also, I was surprised given Mana's performance in WCS that he 3-1 Marinelord. But congrats to Mana and Naniwa for carrying the Protoss flag :D
randomising the groups is really stupid in my opinion, it should be one of each region per group so 1korea 1eu 1na and 1wildcard. As it is now group D is definitely a group of death. I hope Nerchio can still manage it somehow.
On March 08 2016 22:21 IArako wrote: randomising the groups is really stupid in my opinion, it should be one of each region per group so 1korea 1eu 1na and 1wildcard. As it is now group D is definitely a group of death. I hope Nerchio can still manage it somehow.
If you read the post though, it says that 11 out of 16 players had some sort of constraint regarding the dates. In order to accomodate all players, the groups ended up looking like this. If they'd forced 1 per region per group there'd probably have been at least 1 forfeit per group, which would have sucked.
On March 08 2016 22:21 IArako wrote: randomising the groups is really stupid in my opinion, it should be one of each region per group so 1korea 1eu 1na and 1wildcard. As it is now group D is definitely a group of death. I hope Nerchio can still manage it somehow.
Hey, if Nerchio wants to prove that he's legitimately amazing, this is how.
Since the caster kept mentioning that the "gold base pushes Reality's income" - is that really true? As far as I know, a gold base doesn't really give more income than a normal one - you just need less workers for this max saturation, isn't it?. Meaning: If there are enough workers on the map, the gold base is not really that big of a deal. Is that true or am I totally wrong?
On March 10 2016 02:19 Swisslink wrote: Since the caster kept mentioning that the "gold base pushes Reality's income" - is that really true? As far as I know, a gold base doesn't really give more income than a normal one - you just need less workers for this max saturation, isn't it?. Meaning: If there are enough workers on the map, the gold base is not really that big of a deal. Is that true or am I totally wrong?
without wanting to derail the thread from the tournament: less money spent on workers early, means more money spent on units. Even if you go up to 60 workers, you can have 3,5 bases instead of 3
Firecake was contacted with almost a full 24 hours to provide a response, but has chosen not to (relevance of this statement in a moment to do with punishment). For those who don't know, while it wasn't publicized, after the qualifier incident for this tournament, he was given a formal warning / strike against him for his previous actions regarding sortof. This in mind, Firecake during the Ro16 chose to throw games, provide public misinformation via twitter, disrespect the fans, the broadcasters, and most importantly, the sponsors of this event. It is this last point that concerns us the most, as it's become more difficult over time to secure sponsorship for Starcraft 2 in general, and to have the amazing, generous folks at Ting treated this way by a player scares us of future involvement with him. We do not want to risk accusations of match fixing, letting the fans down, or deal with general misinformation from this player in the future. Thus, firecake has officially been banned from all BaseTradeTV related events for the next 9 months. He was offered the opportunity to have this sentence significantly reduced in exchange for an apology & explanation of his actions, but chose to argue instead.
Please understand that this was discussed internally for several hours, and even during the broadcast you can see both Rifkin & Zombiegrub try to brush off and avoid discussion of the incident to keep it from being a heated decision such as the one made in the qualifiers (we're learning!)
Prior to the last group being played, there is currently an equal Foreigner to Korean ratio 3:3
If we classify Polt as North American, there's a chance we have a 4:4 ratio for the Ro8
Regarding times for the Ro8/Semi-Finals & Finals: We've had to postpone posting times because we didn't want to commit to something that would work against the players schedule's, but it's safe to assume at this point we will most likely begin the Ro8 at Saturday, Mar 12 3:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), and have Masa's (and possibly Polt's) matches play later in the morning. Since these are not typically NA friendly hours for play, we plan to run rebroadcasts in the afternoon for those that miss the games!
On March 11 2016 14:30 BasetradeTV wrote: Ruling on Firecake:
Firecake was contacted with almost a full 24 hours to provide a response, but has chosen not to (relevance of this statement in a moment to do with punishment). For those who don't know, while it wasn't publicized, after the qualifier incident for this tournament, he was given a formal warning / strike against him for his previous actions regarding sortof. This in mind, Firecake during the Ro16 chose to throw games, provide public misinformation via twitter, disrespect the fans, the broadcasters, and most importantly, the sponsors of this event. It is this last point that concerns us the most, as it's become more difficult over time to secure sponsorship for Starcraft 2 in general, and to have the amazing, generous folks at Ting treated this way by a player scares us of future involvement with him. We do not want to risk accusations of match fixing, letting the fans down, or deal with general misinformation from this player in the future. Thus, firecake has officially been banned from all BaseTradeTV related events for the next 9 months. He was offered the opportunity to have this sentence significantly reduced in exchange for an apology & explanation of his actions, but chose to argue instead.
Please understand that this was discussed internally for several hours, and even during the broadcast you can see both Rifkin & Zombiegrub try to brush off and avoid discussion of the incident to keep it from being a heated decision such as the one made in the qualifiers (we're learning!)
Honestly I 100% agree with your ruling. Firecake was a moron, why would he play in your tournament if he didn't want to play on the NA server? If he used his brain he would know "Koreans and NA players... Oh I will have to play on NA or KR". If that was such a problem for him he shouldn't have signed up.
I can't imagine you getting flak for this justified decision. Looking forward to watching the rest of the tournament
Honestly, I couldn't care less about the Firecake incident. Such behaviour is outside of your control. The tournament so far has been going great and I have truely enjoyed it, keep it up TING and BasetradeTV!
On March 11 2016 18:21 ZeRoX_TV wrote: Naniwa plays protoss, why are you even asking yourself what happened.
you mean he played protoss in hots where it took no skill and now when it takes skill he cant handle it? :D
Im current patch it is obvious that Protoss players are in huge disadvantage compared to T and Z counterparts. Calling him skilless is pretty dumb :D But you must admit balance atm isnt greatest. Nani wouldnt struggle with Masa for sure.
I don't understand the FireCake situation. He didn't throw any games right? He went for 2 risky cheesy all-ins and they failed.
A drone pull spine push is a legit strategy which we have seen multiple times during sc2 and not once so far has it been called a throw. FireCake wanted to hide his strategies for Hydra since he already wasn't confident in beating him, which I consider a legit move for playing a tournament.
He tried this risky strategy once more to surprise his opponent, it didn't work. Too bad.
It's still a legit strat and not at all comparable to a probe pull for example.
Also how did he disrespect anybody? I as a fan certainly don't feel disrespected and I don't think he insulted anybody. He tried to win while hiding strategies, but could not. That's nothing to be punished for.
I don't really care about the ban since he doesn't want to play BTTV tournaments any more anyway. But I think painting him as the evil guy here is not fair. He played and lost, that's all. He didn't disrespect anybody and didn't break any rules.
Standard Firecake stuff. He's done stuff like this and acted like a complete jerk multiple times in the past; I don't know why people are surprised about how awful he acts. =/
On March 11 2016 19:12 Musicus wrote: I don't understand the FireCake situation. He didn't throw any games right? He went for 2 risky cheesy all-ins and they failed.
A drone pull spine push is a legit strategy which we have seen multiple times during sc2 and not once so far has it been called a throw. FireCake wanted to hide his strategies for Hydra since he already wasn't confident in beating him, which I consider a legit move for playing a tournament.
He tried this risky strategy once more to surprise his opponent, it didn't work. Too bad.
It's still a legit strat and not at all comparable to a probe pull for example.
Also how did he disrespect anybody? I as a fan certainly don't feel disrespected and I don't think he insulted anybody. He tried to win while hiding strategies, but could not. That's nothing to be punished for.
I don't really care about the ban since he doesn't want to play BTTV tournaments any more anyway. But I think painting him as the evil guy here is not fair. He played and lost, that's all. He didn't disrespect anybody and didn't break any rules.
On March 11 2016 19:12 Musicus wrote: I don't understand the FireCake situation. He didn't throw any games right? He went for 2 risky cheesy all-ins and they failed.
A drone pull spine push is a legit strategy which we have seen multiple times during sc2 and not once so far has it been called a throw. FireCake wanted to hide his strategies for Hydra since he already wasn't confident in beating him, which I consider a legit move for playing a tournament.
He tried this risky strategy once more to surprise his opponent, it didn't work. Too bad.
It's still a legit strat and not at all comparable to a probe pull for example.
Also how did he disrespect anybody? I as a fan certainly don't feel disrespected and I don't think he insulted anybody. He tried to win while hiding strategies, but could not. That's nothing to be punished for.
I don't really care about the ban since he doesn't want to play BTTV tournaments any more anyway. But I think painting him as the evil guy here is not fair. He played and lost, that's all. He didn't disrespect anybody and didn't break any rules.
organizers trying to make themselves bigger than the talent in the classic tradition of totalbiscuit
look, i don't care for "bad boy" players - don't like naniwa, not a big fan of firecake, etc. but bttv isn't taking a moral high ground here, they're just making it about rifkins dick versus firecakes dick, and i can't imagine anything more childish and boring. i watch for players, not organizers
On March 11 2016 19:12 Musicus wrote: I don't understand the FireCake situation. He didn't throw any games right? He went for 2 risky cheesy all-ins and they failed.
A drone pull spine push is a legit strategy which we have seen multiple times during sc2 and not once so far has it been called a throw. FireCake wanted to hide his strategies for Hydra since he already wasn't confident in beating him, which I consider a legit move for playing a tournament.
He tried this risky strategy once more to surprise his opponent, it didn't work. Too bad.
It's still a legit strat and not at all comparable to a probe pull for example.
Also how did he disrespect anybody? I as a fan certainly don't feel disrespected and I don't think he insulted anybody. He tried to win while hiding strategies, but could not. That's nothing to be punished for.
I don't really care about the ban since he doesn't want to play BTTV tournaments any more anyway. But I think painting him as the evil guy here is not fair. He played and lost, that's all. He didn't disrespect anybody and didn't break any rules.
organizers trying to make themselves bigger than the talent in the classic tradition of totalbiscuit
look, i don't care for "bad boy" players - don't like naniwa, not a big fan of firecake, etc. but bttv isn't taking a moral high ground here, they're just making it about rifkins dick versus firecakes dick, and i can't imagine anything more childish and boring. i watch for players, not organizers
i do watch for really well organized events. so the organizers do matter. if they are really great organizers they are not noticed at all. What happens is i keep watching their events in the future.
On March 11 2016 21:44 brickrd wrote: organizers trying to make themselves bigger than the talent in the classic tradition of totalbiscuit
adding to your point, BTTV uses this description "to have this sentence significantly reduced" BTTV is the new 53rd State of the USA or maybe BBTV is the new 11th Province in Canada. BTTV hands out "sentences".
the NFL , NHL , and NBA hand out suspensions. BTTV delivers "sentences". I never knew Rifkin even went to law school.. much less was a judge.
On March 11 2016 14:30 BasetradeTV wrote:\ disrespect the fans, the broadcasters, and most importantly, the sponsors of this event.
how did Firecake disrespect the fans and the sponsors?
On March 11 2016 14:30 BasetradeTV wrote: but chose to argue instead.
if you are going to start using words like "sentence" for your punishment then a counter argument is necessary for a fair trial.
I was looking forward to see something new about Rogue's state of mind when he plays against the Poltmaster, also wanted to Nerchio and Ryung do well ... a great group btw ... and then there is a chat about banning a player, because he rushed in the game?????? BTTW :-(((
Polt was way too passive, letting the zerg creep the entire map.... or drone as much as he wants... and build tanks while there is no roach warren, or don't build a single liberator vs mass mutas....
Oh hes banned after not being a push over and apologizing for YOUR lack of information. Goodbye basetrade, i used to tolerate your crap for the games but im done. Its not worth the second rate casting and tyrannical reactions to any player that stands up to one of their rules.. its stupid and not what the starcraft community needs. Rethink your attitude before your organization falls under because sponsors dont want to be represented by children.
Then you proceed to make a video making fun of him on youtube. REAL MATURE BRO
On March 12 2016 01:44 Zonalar wrote: And then we have this Beauty www.youtube.com. Come on BTTV. Throwing with mud now? This is childish and uncalled for.
instead of a silly edited VOD they should've just posted the actual game(s). if necessary they can edit out the swearing.
maybe its time for Rifkin to embrace the whole "evil promoter" angle and use it to his advantage.
You are using your audience to make firecake look evil. You know he has always been hated, despite being one of the most serious and fairplay player. I'm glad to see some people read his tweetlonger though. Ogaming already abused their power to make him look like a bad guy, millenium refused to recruit him because their very pretentious line-up made of lilbow/mlord didn't accept him, firecake has always had trouble on the scene, he owes nothing to organizations, he has built his success over hard work and huge talent.
edit: I had commented on the firecake situation before i realized this was the thread for the whole tournament. I don't want to derail the thread from current matches.
I must say, that was a great performance from Nerchio! But against Ryung, he does not have much chance. Maybe if Rogue loses, Nerchio could take him down ...
so what Rifkin is saying that if the Nerchio is the only foreigner to beat a Koran not named Polt in this entire tournament, then we will get even split between Kors and non-Kors in ro8
On March 11 2016 18:21 ZeRoX_TV wrote: Naniwa plays protoss, why are you even asking yourself what happened.
you mean he played protoss in hots where it took no skill and now when it takes skill he cant handle it? :D
Im current patch it is obvious that Protoss players are in huge disadvantage compared to T and Z counterparts. Calling him skilless is pretty dumb :D But you must admit balance atm isnt greatest. Nani wouldnt struggle with Masa for sure.
Sure calling him skilless is overdoing it for sure. However, I really think he should struggle vs Masa. Masa was a WCS contender. naniwa is a ladder hero atm. Naniwa got out-multitasked by masa pretty heavily. I dont think theres an issue in tvp at all. Possibly in PvZ but korean results say otherwise.
On March 13 2016 00:44 Diabolique wrote: So Hydra made a failed rush in the game 3 against GuMiho - does this mean, he will be banned from BTTV for 9 months?
Yes ofc, he disrespected the fans the org and the other player.
But anyway, I am mostly hyped for Snute ... Ryung is seriously good, I was surprised, Rogue has beaten him with his bad form. Snute-Ryung, that will be a match!
On March 13 2016 01:43 Diabolique wrote: But anyway, I am mostly hyped for Snute ... Ryung is seriously good, I was surprised, Rogue has beaten him with his bad form. Snute-Ryung, that will be a match!
Ok, We all know the Meme, "Ultralisk is suppose to be a free win" . And for the longest time it was.
But WCS and GSL has shown us that terran is dealing SO WELL with Ultras it's nuts. I feel like every time I watch a TvZ. Terran is just outplaying zerg.
On March 13 2016 02:33 Elentos wrote: Ryung is really good atm...
He has been doing well recently. Even had a close game with TY.
True. Although Ryung has always been good in TvT and TY made a few more mistakes than usual that game (putting 4 tanks in marine range on the lowground with 0 vision of the highground, flying a drop that could have done game ending damage into 5 vikings).
On March 13 2016 03:33 Ej_ wrote: I think Ruins of Seras suffers from the Cactus Valley Syndrome, too good for Zerg vs Terran on cross and too god for Terran vs Zerg on non-cross
Unlike Cactus Valley though, it's been around for way too long already and looks bad.
He deserved it for clumping all his units as much as he could. There was also a point in that game where he was 170 to 100 supply because Snute went up to hive with no units, but still.
still better than 240 second auto-turrets/PDDs vs swarmhost though. LOTV made SOME end-game progress - i still think the interactions are kinda bad, and it's kinda difficult to play well enough to make the game exciting because you have to be even faster for that (imagine nukes everywhere, runbys, nydus, drop, all that stuff all over the map)
i tried to end the game sooner but avex - detox as a map is extremely difficult to close games on especially without mutas, i could start nydusing but it's way more comfortable to play with this unit composition to not die to mass liberator. didn't want a repeat of game 1 on lerilak crest. mass liberator is too intimidating sometimes to go for the 'pull terran apart'-strategy, especially once ghosts are out too. it's not like i can go for mass muta to poke away either once terran has established 3-4base and liberators, so this was the only thing i could do without taking massive risks
He deserved it for clumping all his units as much as he could. There was also a point in that game where he was 170 to 100 supply because Snute went up to hive with no units, but still.
he deserved it for his stupidity of playing lategame against zerg.
On March 13 2016 04:18 Diabolique wrote: Rogue plays Proleague against SKT tomorrow ... he needs to go to sleep. Three fast rushes ...
Maybe this is the time of day he feels the most comfortable.
I think, this influenced Ryung in the last game as well ... at 4:00 a.m. after 40 minutes ... he just wanted to go to bed, so he tried that sky attack with all the risk ... poor Rogue :-(
On March 13 2016 04:24 Liquid`Snute wrote: disgusting !!
still better than 240 second auto-turrets/PDDs vs swarmhost though. LOTV made SOME end-game progress - i still think the interactions are kinda bad, and it's kinda difficult to play well enough to make the game exciting because you have to be even faster for that (imagine nukes everywhere, runbys, nydus, drop, all that stuff all over the map)
i tried to end the game sooner but avex - detox as a map is extremely difficult to close games on especially without mutas, i could start nydusing but it's way more comfortable to play with this unit composition to not die to mass liberator. didn't want a repeat of game 1 on lerilak crest. mass liberator is too intimidating sometimes to go for the 'pull terran apart'-strategy, especially once ghosts are out too. it's not like i can go for mass muta to poke away either once terran has established 3-4base and liberators, so this was the only thing i could do without taking massive risks
That was a great play from you! Congratulations! Ryung is seriously good ...
still better than 240 second auto-turrets/PDDs vs swarmhost though. LOTV made SOME end-game progress - i still think the interactions are kinda bad, and it's kinda difficult to play well enough to make the game exciting because you have to be even faster for that (imagine nukes everywhere, runbys, nydus, drop, all that stuff all over the map)
i tried to end the game sooner but avex - detox as a map is extremely difficult to close games on especially without mutas, i could start nydusing but it's way more comfortable to play with this unit composition to not die to mass liberator. didn't want a repeat of game 1 on lerilak crest. mass liberator is too intimidating sometimes to go for the 'pull terran apart'-strategy, especially once ghosts are out too. it's not like i can go for mass muta to poke away either once terran has established 3-4base and liberators, so this was the only thing i could do without taking massive risks
On March 13 2016 04:18 Diabolique wrote: Rogue plays Proleague against SKT tomorrow ... he needs to go to sleep. Three fast rushes ...
Doesn't the JinAir vs SKT starts in 1d 13h? I don't get the schedule excuses like implying that a full time progamer had a full workday waking up at 7 AM so they are tired at 4 AM.... on Saturday
On March 13 2016 04:18 Diabolique wrote: Rogue plays Proleague against SKT tomorrow ... he needs to go to sleep. Three fast rushes ...
Doesn't the JinAir vs SKT starts in 1d 13h? I don't get the schedule excuses like implying that a full time progamer had a full workday waking up at 7 AM so they are tired at 4 AM.... on Saturday
Yes, it will happen on Monday, which is tomorrow for Rogue. But when he goes to sleeep at 7:00 a.m. on Sunday, one day before an important match, if I were the Jin Air coach, I would not like that ...
On March 13 2016 04:18 Diabolique wrote: Rogue plays Proleague against SKT tomorrow ... he needs to go to sleep. Three fast rushes ...
Doesn't the JinAir vs SKT starts in 1d 13h? I don't get the schedule excuses like implying that a full time progamer had a full workday waking up at 7 AM so they are tired at 4 AM.... on Saturday
Yes, it will happen on Monday, which is tomorrow for Rogue. But when he goes to sleeep at 7:00 a.m. on Sunday, one day before an important match, if I were the Jin Air coach, I would not like that ...
He can still sleep for basically an entire day if he has to.
On March 13 2016 04:18 Diabolique wrote: Rogue plays Proleague against SKT tomorrow ... he needs to go to sleep. Three fast rushes ...
Doesn't the JinAir vs SKT starts in 1d 13h? I don't get the schedule excuses like implying that a full time progamer had a full workday waking up at 7 AM so they are tired at 4 AM.... on Saturday
Yes, it will happen on Monday, which is tomorrow for Rogue. But when he goes to sleeep at 7:00 a.m. on Sunday, one day before an important match, if I were the Jin Air coach, I would not like that ...
He plays his proleague game in 37h+. I think some genious in his coaching team can work out a sleep schedule to get fresh to there
On March 13 2016 04:18 Diabolique wrote: Rogue plays Proleague against SKT tomorrow ... he needs to go to sleep. Three fast rushes ...
Doesn't the JinAir vs SKT starts in 1d 13h? I don't get the schedule excuses like implying that a full time progamer had a full workday waking up at 7 AM so they are tired at 4 AM.... on Saturday
Yes, it will happen on Monday, which is tomorrow for Rogue. But when he goes to sleeep at 7:00 a.m. on Sunday, one day before an important match, if I were the Jin Air coach, I would not like that ...
He can still sleep for basically an entire day if he has to.
I know, he can ... I do not think, that is a problem for Rogue (except that he might be sleepy and tired now), but for the team, this could be a problem. I would not want one of my important players have switched day and night before a match ...
I wonder, what's the best way to defend the queen/ling drop as Terran? I guess you have to have a sieged tank and a medivac out by the time it hits, and some marines? Do you need a bunker in each base?
On March 13 2016 04:51 Elentos wrote: I wonder, what's the best way to defend the queen/ling drop as Terran? I guess you have to have a sieged tank and a medivac out by the time it hits, and some marines? Do you need a bunker in each base?
honestly I would just veto this map or wait for a lair requirement patch, his build really gets a lot of units out still he gets destroyed.
On March 13 2016 04:18 Diabolique wrote: Rogue plays Proleague against SKT tomorrow ... he needs to go to sleep. Three fast rushes ...
Doesn't the JinAir vs SKT starts in 1d 13h? I don't get the schedule excuses like implying that a full time progamer had a full workday waking up at 7 AM so they are tired at 4 AM.... on Saturday
Yes, it will happen on Monday, which is tomorrow for Rogue. But when he goes to sleeep at 7:00 a.m. on Sunday, one day before an important match, if I were the Jin Air coach, I would not like that ...
He plays his proleague game in 37h+. I think some genious in his coaching team can work out a sleep schedule to get fresh to there
Well, I am not sure, how your body works :-) If somebody genious plans for you a schedule :-) For me, even when I plan a schedule, my body doesn't play with. When I switch the day with night, it takes quite a few days to get it back into normal. It is like a jet lag. In fact, I am living Los Angeles time in Central Europe ...
On March 13 2016 04:51 Elentos wrote: I wonder, what's the best way to defend the queen/ling drop as Terran? I guess you have to have a sieged tank and a medivac out by the time it hits, and some marines? Do you need a bunker in each base?
honestly I would just veto this map or wait for a lair requirement patch, his build really gets a lot of units out still he gets destroyed.
I feel like if he skipped the mine to get a quicker siege tank he could have held with good tank micro, but it might really be that you need a bunker in each base :/
Or I guess you go full MarineKing and make 3 barracks in the express pathway.
On March 13 2016 04:18 Diabolique wrote: Rogue plays Proleague against SKT tomorrow ... he needs to go to sleep. Three fast rushes ...
Doesn't the JinAir vs SKT starts in 1d 13h? I don't get the schedule excuses like implying that a full time progamer had a full workday waking up at 7 AM so they are tired at 4 AM.... on Saturday
Yes, it will happen on Monday, which is tomorrow for Rogue. But when he goes to sleeep at 7:00 a.m. on Sunday, one day before an important match, if I were the Jin Air coach, I would not like that ...
He can still sleep for basically an entire day if he has to.
I know, he can ... I do not think, that is a problem for Rogue (except that he might be sleepy and tired now), but for the team, this could be a problem. I would not want one of my important players have switched day and night before a match ...
I think you can rest easy considering he won in like 30 minutes. Probably barely warmed up.
Games for the Semi-Finals will begin 1 hour earlier than they did today.
Sunday, Mar 13 2:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Rogue vs GuMiho Bo7 Sunday, Mar 13 4:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Snute vs MaNa Bo7
Also to note: If Gumiho wins the series, finals will play on Monday If Rogue wins the series, finals will play on Wednesday (avoiding conflicts with proleague)
Snute & Mana have both been informed and said this is acceptable. See you all tomorrow!
On March 13 2016 05:02 Bagration wrote: The foreigner Korean gap will never be closed. Ting will be won by a Korean, mark my words
MarineLord says hi.
I've been following SC2 since early 2011. Stephano was the high water mark, since then no player aside from maybe Snute has been consistent enough to compete against top talent. qxc also all killed IM in 2011 in the GSTL, but it's frustrating when these performances cannot be sustained.
Blizzard splitting up the foreigners and the Koreans in WCS today means that there are fewer opportunities for non-foreigners to practice against top talent, and there's less willingness today to send foreigners over to Korea than there had been in the past.
If I'm wrong and Snute or Mana win this, please let me know and hold me accountable, but I don't think that'll happen.
On March 13 2016 06:50 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Wow just watched that Parasitic Bomb clip from Snute vs Ryung. Glorious :D
New Zerg version of Science Vessel, same effect as Terran had in BW. Glad to see we finally have a nice answer vs mass air. In HOTS and original P and T late-game-air was totally unbeatable. So frustrating when u played a 1h game vs turtling terran and in the end have no answer to their air... Love LOTV!
On March 13 2016 07:58 seemsgood wrote: Game 5 snute vs ryung is fucking hillarious D:D:D
Yes, that was awesome ... Ryung is a great player, and so is Snute ... I still feel sad for Snute that because of the current WCS system, he cannot beat the Koreans regularly on international tournaments. His victories are real skill and not some random coin flips.
I'll be completely honest here by saying upfront I didn't feel like skimming through the 28 pages of this thread to find the answer before posting. Perhaps a good soul would tell me if the replays from the tournament will be available ? That MaNa vs Snute build on dusk towers was very interesting.
I left my computer as I saw Snute's Muta transition. I mean Mana should've been dead there, yet when I come back I see a fleet of Pheonixes killing Queens and Corrupters and Snute GG's. Mana, you so good lately!
To make things perfectly clear for all the speculation in this thread: - Replays will go out to subscribers only, as they always have. - Twitch VOD's are behind a paypall, but nice__username has been managing our youtube lately and you will see them up sooner than later
Info regarding the finals: Bo9 will take place Wednesday, Mar 16 2:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Bo3 showmatch after Rifkin vs TingJesse (With zombiegrub coaching jesse)
On March 14 2016 15:29 BasetradeTV wrote: To make things perfectly clear for all the speculation in this thread: - Replays will go out to subscribers only, as they always have. - Twitch VOD's are behind a paypall, but nice__username has been managing our youtube lately and you will see them up sooner than later
Info regarding the finals: Bo9 will take place Wednesday, Mar 16 2:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) Bo3 showmatch after Rifkin vs TingJesse (With zombiegrub coaching jesse)
On March 17 2016 00:00 Shellshock wrote: got here in time to see the 5-0
if mana can't win orbital, it will sadly be a 5-0 indeed
had a great time watching the gauntlet last time btw, you and Gumba trolling the chat and SGTK was pure gold, couln't join since I was on my tablet in bed :D
...if this is a preview of what we are going to see in the crossfinals at the end of the year, it does not look so promising atm... I'd be really happy to see something that makes me change this pov...
On March 17 2016 00:07 CynicalDeath wrote: ...if this is a preview of what we are going to see in the crossfinals at the end of the year, it does not look so promising atm... I'd be really happy to see something that makes me change this pov...
did you ever think blizzcon ro16 will look different?
On March 17 2016 00:07 CynicalDeath wrote: ...if this is a preview of what we are going to see in the crossfinals at the end of the year, it does not look so promising atm... I'd be really happy to see something that makes me change this pov...
I don't think the Global Finals will be this bad of a beatdown because - no offense - there are better non-Koreans than MaNa.
On March 17 2016 00:07 CynicalDeath wrote: ...if this is a preview of what we are going to see in the crossfinals at the end of the year, it does not look so promising atm... I'd be really happy to see something that makes me change this pov...
I don't think the Global Finals will be this bad of a beatdown because - no offense - there are better non-Koreans than MaNa.
and there are better koreans than Rogue. Do you really think someone like Nerchio or Firecake could take maps of players like TY, Zest or Dark? outside of some silly allins of course.
On March 17 2016 00:07 CynicalDeath wrote: ...if this is a preview of what we are going to see in the crossfinals at the end of the year, it does not look so promising atm... I'd be really happy to see something that makes me change this pov...
did you ever think blizzcon ro16 will look different?
...no, I thought from the start that "the korean side of sc2" would have easy way at blizzcon but seeing MaNa lose like this is draining away any little hope my body had kept in remote secret places for unexpected-you-never-know event... MaNa is playing really well lately but he is getting demolished by Rogue so hard... ...probably the fact that kr vs. foreigners tournaments are no more stresses this gap to make it look bigger than it really is and/or maybe MaNa has just a bad day but this series is quite unispiring-for-what-will-come...
The good thing on RO16 at BlizzCon is that there will not be 8 Manas and Lilbows. Remember Polt and Hydra will certainly play good games, Polt should be able even to come to the actual BlizzCon ... and Snute is always able to surprize everyone. But 5 Manas and Lilbows will be certainly worth laughing.
I don't care whether foreigners will have a chance or not, I just hope that until then Blizzard will introduce new, better, balanced maps and improve the balance of the game, so that Ro8 doesn't end up being all ZvZs.
On March 17 2016 00:07 CynicalDeath wrote: ...if this is a preview of what we are going to see in the crossfinals at the end of the year, it does not look so promising atm... I'd be really happy to see something that makes me change this pov...
I don't think the Global Finals will be this bad of a beatdown because - no offense - there are better non-Koreans than MaNa.
and there are better koreans than Rogue. Do you really think someone like Nerchio or Firecake could take maps of players like TY, Zest or Dark? outside of some silly allins of course.
Perhaps not (although Nerchio could probably win straight up games against at least Dark offline under good conditions). But that's not really the point. MaNa is getting completely destroyed in the games, beyond just the score. I expect other players to put up better fights, even if they still lose every game.
On March 17 2016 00:07 CynicalDeath wrote: ...if this is a preview of what we are going to see in the crossfinals at the end of the year, it does not look so promising atm... I'd be really happy to see something that makes me change this pov...
I don't think the Global Finals will be this bad of a beatdown because - no offense - there are better non-Koreans than MaNa.
and there are better koreans than Rogue. Do you really think someone like Nerchio or Firecake could take maps of players like TY, Zest or Dark? outside of some silly allins of course.
On March 17 2016 00:07 CynicalDeath wrote: ...if this is a preview of what we are going to see in the crossfinals at the end of the year, it does not look so promising atm... I'd be really happy to see something that makes me change this pov...
I don't think the Global Finals will be this bad of a beatdown because - no offense - there are better non-Koreans than MaNa.
and there are better koreans than Rogue. Do you really think someone like Nerchio or Firecake could take maps of players like TY, Zest or Dark? outside of some silly allins of course.
For now I am on a winning streak vs TY
And it was offline even! That DH group D, never forget .
On March 14 2016 15:29 BasetradeTV wrote: To make things perfectly clear for all the speculation in this thread: - Replays will go out to subscribers only, as they always have.
I see, thank you.
If I subscribe now, can I also access replays from previous events, or is it too late?
(edit: I asked on twitter, the answer is yes if anyone is wondering)
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