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On February 13 2016 12:57 Hotshot wrote:
Ignoring the invited players (1 of each race) we have 1 toss, 10 terran and 7 zerg...
And yet toss can't get a buff, only doubled nerfed. Thank god I did not buy lotv. I only watch lotv, yet it seems toss loses a crazy amount of the times, especially vs zerg... I find it funny how some of even the best NA toss players like state, pili and huk all complain how imba zerg is, makes you wonder how small the percentage of people (aka top tier korean) manage to make toss look even or better in certain situations.
Ive been playing zerg recently, and they are rather easy race. So I guess if I ever get lotv (like in a giveaway or something) at least I will have a race to play....
But back to the topic... There are 6 wildcard spots, maybe basetrade can make it an all toss wildcard... That would bring the numbers closer to parity.
Honestly, while I don't like the race distribution, qualifiers are honestly a tough thing to measure balance from. While something may look imba from a certain perspective, there could be a variety of factors like energy level, preparedness, mental state, etc.
Also, look at Protoss mid-late 2014 with the widowmine buff. Terran swung the other way and destroyed Toss for a good amount of time, but with time and map changes, they actually did awful in 2015 with 3 tournament wins. People learned to deal with widowmines, and they'll learn to deal with Zerg.
Now it is questionable whether the widowmine buff was beneficial for the TvP/PvT matchup or if made the matchup more stale, but right now, we just need time for Protoss to adapt.
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How much time would you give?
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Important information regarding tonight's qualifier:
- http://challonge.com/TINGWCQual1
- Reminder that time was changed to Tuesday, Feb 16 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
- Server default is NA - Central (players may play off server if both agree) please note that this only applies to Wild Card #1. Wild Card #2 will be European default
- Anyone is able to play, rank is not required, and anyone who played in a previous qualifier is allowed to play in this qualifier
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I don't understand why people complain about in-stream ads. I'd rather see that become the norm as long as people are responsible with it (like BaseTradeTV is) as it would probably attract more sponsors than "lol I turned on adblock".
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This is quite cringe worthy now...
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Rifkin is so full of shit. The sortof situation could have been easily handled in about 3 minutes by just casting game 2. Instead you wasted like 30 minutes being a cry baby about it and casting 0 games instead of at least 1 of 3.
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Hm I don't get why they would ban SortOf or why he should replay game 1.
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Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly
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On February 17 2016 08:10 LimeNade wrote:
Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly
Yeah and they could just replay cast too.
Well the situation just sucks now, since it even messes with the loser bracket. Could've been easily avoided by BTTV imo.
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On February 17 2016 08:12 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:10 LimeNade wrote:
Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly Yeah and they could just replay cast too. Well the situation just sucks now, since it even messes with the loser bracket. Could've been easily avoided by BTTV imo.
Agreed, at least rifkin got to run more Ting ads since there were no games being casted.
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On February 17 2016 08:12 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:10 LimeNade wrote:
Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly Yeah and they could just replay cast too. Well the situation just sucks now, since it even messes with the loser bracket. Could've been easily avoided by BTTV imo.
I guess Rifkin feels that it's his tournament and his rules are absolute on this after he specifically told Firecake not to play without the casters, so no compromise. Specifically because this was a qualifying match.
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On February 17 2016 08:15 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:12 Musicus wrote:On February 17 2016 08:10 LimeNade wrote:
Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly Yeah and they could just replay cast too. Well the situation just sucks now, since it even messes with the loser bracket. Could've been easily avoided by BTTV imo. I guess Rifkin feels that it's his tournament and his rules are absolute on this after he specifically told Firecake not to play without the casters, so no compromise. Specifically because this was a qualifying match.
Right, he told Firecake <----- not to play without casters but bans sortof.....????
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On February 17 2016 08:16 Thorantham wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:15 argonautdice wrote:On February 17 2016 08:12 Musicus wrote:On February 17 2016 08:10 LimeNade wrote:
Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly Yeah and they could just replay cast too. Well the situation just sucks now, since it even messes with the loser bracket. Could've been easily avoided by BTTV imo. I guess Rifkin feels that it's his tournament and his rules are absolute on this after he specifically told Firecake not to play without the casters, so no compromise. Specifically because this was a qualifying match. Right, he told Firecake <----- not to play without casters but bans sortof.....????
I think Firecake's ok with replaying game 1 but sortof won't have any of it. From Rifkin's perspective, they messed up game 1, so the only thing to do is to replay game 1, which is only prevented by SortOf being unhappy about having to do it seemingly arbitrarily.
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On February 17 2016 08:15 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:12 Musicus wrote:On February 17 2016 08:10 LimeNade wrote:
Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly Yeah and they could just replay cast too. Well the situation just sucks now, since it even messes with the loser bracket. Could've been easily avoided by BTTV imo. I guess Rifkin feels that it's his tournament and his rules are absolute on this after he specifically told Firecake not to play without the casters, so no compromise. Specifically because this was a qualifying match.
Yeah so FireCake seems to be at fault here? No way you can just force SortOf to play again imo.
Give a warning to FireCake to never start without casters again and cast the replay.
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On February 17 2016 08:17 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:15 argonautdice wrote:On February 17 2016 08:12 Musicus wrote:On February 17 2016 08:10 LimeNade wrote:
Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly Yeah and they could just replay cast too. Well the situation just sucks now, since it even messes with the loser bracket. Could've been easily avoided by BTTV imo. I guess Rifkin feels that it's his tournament and his rules are absolute on this after he specifically told Firecake not to play without the casters, so no compromise. Specifically because this was a qualifying match. Yeah so FireCake seems to be at fault here? No way you can just force SortOf to play again imo. Give a warning to FireCake to never start without casters again and cast the replay.
Rifkin's just not happy that it didn't go the way he intended and he's adamant that they stick with his rules.
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On February 17 2016 08:17 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2016 08:16 Thorantham wrote:On February 17 2016 08:15 argonautdice wrote:On February 17 2016 08:12 Musicus wrote:On February 17 2016 08:10 LimeNade wrote:
Why didn't they just let sortof start 1-0 since he beat firecake in the first game regardless if it was streamed or not? Seems pretty dumb to have to replay game 1 if sortof won fairly Yeah and they could just replay cast too. Well the situation just sucks now, since it even messes with the loser bracket. Could've been easily avoided by BTTV imo. I guess Rifkin feels that it's his tournament and his rules are absolute on this after he specifically told Firecake not to play without the casters, so no compromise. Specifically because this was a qualifying match. Right, he told Firecake <----- not to play without casters but bans sortof.....???? I think Firecake's ok with replaying game 1 but sortof won't have any of it. From Rifkin's perspective, they messed up game 1, so the only thing to do is to replay game 1, which is only prevented by SortOf being unhappy about having to do it seemingly arbitrarily.
It's not arbitrarily - he won, so now you are telling him he needs to win 3 of 4 not 2 of 3.
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Players were told to wait for caster before playing.
Sortof asked Fck to host, so he did, and started game w/o the casters cause he forgot.
During game, Zombiegrub went on Fck stream to told that the game would not count w/e the results.
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On February 17 2016 08:21 SChlafmann wrote:
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Sortof asked Fck to host, so he did, and started game w/o the casters cause he forgot.
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Is it true ? Some other guy wrote that firecake pressed Sortof to host the game... Anyway I think if the 1st game was already played they should have just casted the replay and the second game live.
If BTTV really meant to sent a message like "never ever play a game without caster" then they should have disqualified both players (WTF is that ban ? that doesnt make any sens)
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Forcing SortOF to play the game again is the equivalent of forcing runners to redo the 100 m dash because there was something wrong with the cameras.
Honestly, I love BTTV, but every now and then Rifkin does or says something so annoying I have to take a break for 2-3 weeks.
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