• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:39
CEST 22:39
KST 05:39
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists19[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers23Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament INu's Battles#14 <BO.9 2Matches> GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaSh: This Will Be My Final ASL【ASL S21 Ro.16】 Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group D Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Diablo IV Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread 3D technology/software discussion European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2985 users

[ShoutCraft] Sandisk Invitational II - Day 3 - Page 12

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 22 Next All
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
November 15 2015 15:07 GMT
#221
On November 16 2015 00:06 Deathstar wrote:
avilo warned us about the state of TvZ

A broken clock is always right twice a day.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 15 2015 15:07 GMT
#222
On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote:
Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o

cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou

Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it

it was used awesomely in bw.

For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue.

how did it work in bw
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
November 15 2015 15:08 GMT
#223
On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote:
Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o

cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou

Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it

it was used awesomely in bw.

For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue.

yep.

i've seen it used like that only like a few times..
The Bomber boy
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 15 2015 15:08 GMT
#224
On November 16 2015 00:04 Deathstar wrote:
terran in lotv

3 terrans in the semifinals

"terran in lotv "
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
JackBeckman
Profile Joined November 2015
6 Posts
November 15 2015 15:08 GMT
#225
I don't really know. It seems like in every TvZ game I see the army of the zerg player is almost always bigger than the army of the Terran player, no matter how well the Terran player harasses etc. I know it's too early to say but it feels as if Zerg as a race is a bit too strong right now.
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
November 15 2015 15:08 GMT
#226
On November 16 2015 00:07 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:05 royalroadweed wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:04 Jer99 wrote:
man what the hell do you do against Zerg?

Watch byun. Standard hots style. mmm. Byun doesn't even use liberators vs ultras. He prefers ghosts.

ByuN is a literal god and even he loses most of his games against Solar though.

He would lose most of his games vs solar in hots so working as intended I suppose :D
btw how awful is mech in lotv?
I imagine you just insta lose once zerg get's viper broodlord rolling
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 15 2015 15:09 GMT
#227
On November 16 2015 00:07 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote:
Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o

cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou

Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it

it was used awesomely in bw.

For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue.

how did it work in bw

nydus canal was a hive tech building that could be placed on your creep, connecting it to another creep (=base, as OL didnt drop creep)
Zerg used it to defend far away expansions (most commonly defending 2 different naturals and securing 4 bases with 2 chokes that way)
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
November 15 2015 15:09 GMT
#228
On November 16 2015 00:08 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:04 Deathstar wrote:
terran in lotv

3 terrans in the semifinals

"terran in lotv "

Marineking only lost due to imbalance
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
Shairak
Profile Joined October 2011
United States30 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-15 15:10:24
November 15 2015 15:09 GMT
#229
On November 16 2015 00:07 rotta wrote:
Nice tune, what's it called?



Little V - Lightning Lotus. It says at the bottom.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-15 15:10:33
November 15 2015 15:09 GMT
#230
On November 16 2015 00:08 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:07 Elentos wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:05 royalroadweed wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:04 Jer99 wrote:
man what the hell do you do against Zerg?

Watch byun. Standard hots style. mmm. Byun doesn't even use liberators vs ultras. He prefers ghosts.

ByuN is a literal god and even he loses most of his games against Solar though.

He would lose most of his games vs solar in hots so working as intended I suppose :D
btw how awful is mech in lotv?
I imagine you just insta lose once zerg get's viper broodlord rolling

Right. And because of ravagers and stuff there's even more opportunities for Zergs to exploit holes in mech play. Not to mention... nydus still gud.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50878 Posts
November 15 2015 15:10 GMT
#231
On November 16 2015 00:07 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote:
Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o

cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou

Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it

it was used awesomely in bw.

For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue.

how did it work in bw


nydus canal is integral for zergs once they reach hive tech, basically allowing the zerg to defend their bases with the fact that it cuts down army travel time to nothing.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
November 15 2015 15:10 GMT
#232
On November 16 2015 00:08 JackBeckman wrote:
I don't really know. It seems like in every TvZ game I see the army of the zerg player is almost always bigger than the army of the Terran player, no matter how well the Terran player harasses etc. I know it's too early to say but it feels as if Zerg as a race is a bit too strong right now.

Show me a hots tvz where the zerg army isn't bigger if the terran hasn't done game ending damage
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 15 2015 15:10 GMT
#233
On November 16 2015 00:09 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:07 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote:
Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o

cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou

Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it

it was used awesomely in bw.

For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue.

how did it work in bw

nydus canal was a hive tech building that could be placed on your creep, connecting it to another creep (=base, as OL didnt drop creep)
Zerg used it to defend far away expansions (most commonly defending 2 different naturals and securing 4 bases with 2 chokes that way)

that's the fun way to use nydus though
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 15 2015 15:10 GMT
#234
On November 16 2015 00:10 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:08 JackBeckman wrote:
I don't really know. It seems like in every TvZ game I see the army of the zerg player is almost always bigger than the army of the Terran player, no matter how well the Terran player harasses etc. I know it's too early to say but it feels as if Zerg as a race is a bit too strong right now.

Show me a hots tvz where the zerg army isn't bigger if the terran hasn't done game ending damage

soO vs Flash on Foxtrot :D
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6870 Posts
November 15 2015 15:11 GMT
#235
I think just need long range units to counter ravager,siege tanks should do the work
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 15 2015 15:11 GMT
#236
On November 16 2015 00:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:


Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55571 Posts
November 15 2015 15:11 GMT
#237
On November 16 2015 00:10 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:08 JackBeckman wrote:
I don't really know. It seems like in every TvZ game I see the army of the zerg player is almost always bigger than the army of the Terran player, no matter how well the Terran player harasses etc. I know it's too early to say but it feels as if Zerg as a race is a bit too strong right now.

Show me a hots tvz where the zerg army isn't bigger if the terran hasn't done game ending damage

Isn't the Zerg army generally smaller in HotS mostly because you build drones for the first 4 bases while Terran makes SCVs for the first 3?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
November 15 2015 15:11 GMT
#238
On November 16 2015 00:07 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote:
Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o

cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou

Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it

it was used awesomely in bw.

For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue.

how did it work in bw

Completely defensive can only be placed on creep, good for army movement bad for all-ins -Abathur
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
JackBeckman
Profile Joined November 2015
6 Posts
November 15 2015 15:11 GMT
#239
On November 16 2015 00:10 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:08 JackBeckman wrote:
I don't really know. It seems like in every TvZ game I see the army of the zerg player is almost always bigger than the army of the Terran player, no matter how well the Terran player harasses etc. I know it's too early to say but it feels as if Zerg as a race is a bit too strong right now.

Show me a hots tvz where the zerg army isn't bigger if the terran hasn't done game ending damage


Well of course it's always a bit bigger in terms of supply but in LotV it is also a lot stronger.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 15 2015 15:11 GMT
#240
On November 16 2015 00:08 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:07 Elentos wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:05 royalroadweed wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:04 Jer99 wrote:
man what the hell do you do against Zerg?

Watch byun. Standard hots style. mmm. Byun doesn't even use liberators vs ultras. He prefers ghosts.

ByuN is a literal god and even he loses most of his games against Solar though.

He would lose most of his games vs solar in hots so working as intended I suppose :D
btw how awful is mech in lotv?
I imagine you just insta lose once zerg get's viper broodlord rolling

I think mech might be unplayable. I remember in the dreamhack qualifiers Bunny lost to Cladorhiza with 3/3 cyclone, hellbat, liberator, tank vs 1/1 roach, hydra, liberator, coruptor.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 22 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
16:00
#49
Solar vs ByuNLIVE!
Classic vs TBD
RotterdaM1053
TKL 428
IndyStarCraft 266
SteadfastSC266
BRAT_OK 120
EnkiAlexander 39
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1053
TKL 428
SteadfastSC 266
IndyStarCraft 266
BRAT_OK 120
JuggernautJason62
StarCraft: Brood War
910 23
HiyA 16
NaDa 9
Dota 2
capcasts173
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps2981
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King62
PPMD53
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu362
Khaldor216
Other Games
summit1g7848
Grubby6364
mouzStarbuck245
C9.Mang0244
Sick224
KnowMe176
Pyrionflax122
UpATreeSC70
Trikslyr54
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream316
Other Games
BasetradeTV281
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 23 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 239
• Hupsaiya 27
• Adnapsc2 12
• Reevou 1
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 25
• FirePhoenix14
• Eskiya23 4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV787
• masondota2420
Other Games
• imaqtpie1675
• Scarra703
• Shiphtur272
• tFFMrPink 12
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 21m
Replay Cast
12h 21m
Afreeca Starleague
13h 21m
Leta vs YSC
GSL
1d 12h
Rogue vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL
2 days
Cure vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Bunny
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Escore
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
BSL
5 days
IPSL
5 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W4
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.