On November 16 2015 00:06 Deathstar wrote:
avilo warned us about the state of TvZ
avilo warned us about the state of TvZ
A broken clock is always right twice a day.
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:06 Deathstar wrote: avilo warned us about the state of TvZ A broken clock is always right twice a day. | ||
KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote: On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote: On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote: Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it it was used awesomely in bw. For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue. how did it work in bw | ||
Wintex
Norway16836 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote: On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote: On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote: Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it it was used awesomely in bw. For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue. yep. i've seen it used like that only like a few times.. | ||
KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:04 Deathstar wrote: terran in lotv ![]() 3 terrans in the semifinals "terran in lotv ![]() | ||
JackBeckman
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HellHound
Bulgaria5962 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:07 Elentos wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 00:05 royalroadweed wrote: On November 16 2015 00:04 Jer99 wrote: man what the hell do you do against Zerg? Watch byun. Standard hots style. mmm. Byun doesn't even use liberators vs ultras. He prefers ghosts. ByuN is a literal god and even he loses most of his games against Solar though. He would lose most of his games vs solar in hots so working as intended I suppose :D btw how awful is mech in lotv? I imagine you just insta lose once zerg get's viper broodlord rolling | ||
Ej_
47656 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:07 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote: On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote: On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote: Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it it was used awesomely in bw. For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue. how did it work in bw nydus canal was a hive tech building that could be placed on your creep, connecting it to another creep (=base, as OL didnt drop creep) Zerg used it to defend far away expansions (most commonly defending 2 different naturals and securing 4 bases with 2 chokes that way) | ||
HellHound
Bulgaria5962 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:08 KingofdaHipHop wrote: 3 terrans in the semifinals "terran in lotv ![]() Marineking only lost due to imbalance | ||
Shairak
United States30 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:07 rotta wrote: Nice tune, what's it called? Little V - Lightning Lotus. It says at the bottom. | ||
Elentos
55467 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:08 HellHound wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 00:07 Elentos wrote: On November 16 2015 00:05 royalroadweed wrote: On November 16 2015 00:04 Jer99 wrote: man what the hell do you do against Zerg? Watch byun. Standard hots style. mmm. Byun doesn't even use liberators vs ultras. He prefers ghosts. ByuN is a literal god and even he loses most of his games against Solar though. He would lose most of his games vs solar in hots so working as intended I suppose :D btw how awful is mech in lotv? I imagine you just insta lose once zerg get's viper broodlord rolling Right. And because of ravagers and stuff there's even more opportunities for Zergs to exploit holes in mech play. Not to mention... nydus still gud. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49986 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:07 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote: On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote: On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote: Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it it was used awesomely in bw. For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue. how did it work in bw nydus canal is integral for zergs once they reach hive tech, basically allowing the zerg to defend their bases with the fact that it cuts down army travel time to nothing. | ||
HellHound
Bulgaria5962 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:08 JackBeckman wrote: I don't really know. It seems like in every TvZ game I see the army of the zerg player is almost always bigger than the army of the Terran player, no matter how well the Terran player harasses etc. I know it's too early to say but it feels as if Zerg as a race is a bit too strong right now. Show me a hots tvz where the zerg army isn't bigger if the terran hasn't done game ending damage | ||
KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:09 Ej_ wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 00:07 KingofdaHipHop wrote: On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote: On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote: On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote: Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it it was used awesomely in bw. For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue. how did it work in bw nydus canal was a hive tech building that could be placed on your creep, connecting it to another creep (=base, as OL didnt drop creep) Zerg used it to defend far away expansions (most commonly defending 2 different naturals and securing 4 bases with 2 chokes that way) that's the fun way to use nydus though | ||
Ej_
47656 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:10 HellHound wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 00:08 JackBeckman wrote: I don't really know. It seems like in every TvZ game I see the army of the zerg player is almost always bigger than the army of the Terran player, no matter how well the Terran player harasses etc. I know it's too early to say but it feels as if Zerg as a race is a bit too strong right now. Show me a hots tvz where the zerg army isn't bigger if the terran hasn't done game ending damage soO vs Flash on Foxtrot :D | ||
[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6508 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:04 The_Red_Viper wrote: | ||
Elentos
55467 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:10 HellHound wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 00:08 JackBeckman wrote: I don't really know. It seems like in every TvZ game I see the army of the zerg player is almost always bigger than the army of the Terran player, no matter how well the Terran player harasses etc. I know it's too early to say but it feels as if Zerg as a race is a bit too strong right now. Show me a hots tvz where the zerg army isn't bigger if the terran hasn't done game ending damage Isn't the Zerg army generally smaller in HotS mostly because you build drones for the first 4 bases while Terran makes SCVs for the first 3? | ||
Arvendilin
Germany1878 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:07 KingofdaHipHop wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote: On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote: On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote: Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it it was used awesomely in bw. For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue. how did it work in bw Completely defensive can only be placed on creep, good for army movement bad for all-ins -Abathur | ||
JackBeckman
6 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:10 HellHound wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 00:08 JackBeckman wrote: I don't really know. It seems like in every TvZ game I see the army of the zerg player is almost always bigger than the army of the Terran player, no matter how well the Terran player harasses etc. I know it's too early to say but it feels as if Zerg as a race is a bit too strong right now. Show me a hots tvz where the zerg army isn't bigger if the terran hasn't done game ending damage Well of course it's always a bit bigger in terms of supply but in LotV it is also a lot stronger. | ||
royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
On November 16 2015 00:08 HellHound wrote: Show nested quote + On November 16 2015 00:07 Elentos wrote: On November 16 2015 00:05 royalroadweed wrote: On November 16 2015 00:04 Jer99 wrote: man what the hell do you do against Zerg? Watch byun. Standard hots style. mmm. Byun doesn't even use liberators vs ultras. He prefers ghosts. ByuN is a literal god and even he loses most of his games against Solar though. He would lose most of his games vs solar in hots so working as intended I suppose :D btw how awful is mech in lotv? I imagine you just insta lose once zerg get's viper broodlord rolling I think mech might be unplayable. I remember in the dreamhack qualifiers Bunny lost to Cladorhiza with 3/3 cyclone, hellbat, liberator, tank vs 1/1 roach, hydra, liberator, coruptor. | ||
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