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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14456 Posts
November 15 2015 15:07 GMT
#221
On November 16 2015 00:06 Deathstar wrote:
avilo warned us about the state of TvZ

A broken clock is always right twice a day.
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 15 2015 15:07 GMT
#222
On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote:
Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o

cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou

Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it

it was used awesomely in bw.

For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue.

how did it work in bw
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16836 Posts
November 15 2015 15:08 GMT
#223
On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote:
Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o

cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou

Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it

it was used awesomely in bw.

For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue.

yep.

i've seen it used like that only like a few times..
The Bomber boy
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 15 2015 15:08 GMT
#224
On November 16 2015 00:04 Deathstar wrote:
terran in lotv

3 terrans in the semifinals

"terran in lotv "
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JackBeckman
Profile Joined November 2015
6 Posts
November 15 2015 15:08 GMT
#225
I don't really know. It seems like in every TvZ game I see the army of the zerg player is almost always bigger than the army of the Terran player, no matter how well the Terran player harasses etc. I know it's too early to say but it feels as if Zerg as a race is a bit too strong right now.
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
November 15 2015 15:08 GMT
#226
On November 16 2015 00:07 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:05 royalroadweed wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:04 Jer99 wrote:
man what the hell do you do against Zerg?

Watch byun. Standard hots style. mmm. Byun doesn't even use liberators vs ultras. He prefers ghosts.

ByuN is a literal god and even he loses most of his games against Solar though.

He would lose most of his games vs solar in hots so working as intended I suppose :D
btw how awful is mech in lotv?
I imagine you just insta lose once zerg get's viper broodlord rolling
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 15 2015 15:09 GMT
#227
On November 16 2015 00:07 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote:
Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o

cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou

Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it

it was used awesomely in bw.

For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue.

how did it work in bw

nydus canal was a hive tech building that could be placed on your creep, connecting it to another creep (=base, as OL didnt drop creep)
Zerg used it to defend far away expansions (most commonly defending 2 different naturals and securing 4 bases with 2 chokes that way)
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
November 15 2015 15:09 GMT
#228
On November 16 2015 00:08 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:04 Deathstar wrote:
terran in lotv

3 terrans in the semifinals

"terran in lotv "

Marineking only lost due to imbalance
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
Shairak
Profile Joined October 2011
United States30 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-15 15:10:24
November 15 2015 15:09 GMT
#229
On November 16 2015 00:07 rotta wrote:
Nice tune, what's it called?



Little V - Lightning Lotus. It says at the bottom.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55467 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-15 15:10:33
November 15 2015 15:09 GMT
#230
On November 16 2015 00:08 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:07 Elentos wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:05 royalroadweed wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:04 Jer99 wrote:
man what the hell do you do against Zerg?

Watch byun. Standard hots style. mmm. Byun doesn't even use liberators vs ultras. He prefers ghosts.

ByuN is a literal god and even he loses most of his games against Solar though.

He would lose most of his games vs solar in hots so working as intended I suppose :D
btw how awful is mech in lotv?
I imagine you just insta lose once zerg get's viper broodlord rolling

Right. And because of ravagers and stuff there's even more opportunities for Zergs to exploit holes in mech play. Not to mention... nydus still gud.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES49986 Posts
November 15 2015 15:10 GMT
#231
On November 16 2015 00:07 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote:
Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o

cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou

Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it

it was used awesomely in bw.

For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue.

how did it work in bw


nydus canal is integral for zergs once they reach hive tech, basically allowing the zerg to defend their bases with the fact that it cuts down army travel time to nothing.
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HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
November 15 2015 15:10 GMT
#232
On November 16 2015 00:08 JackBeckman wrote:
I don't really know. It seems like in every TvZ game I see the army of the zerg player is almost always bigger than the army of the Terran player, no matter how well the Terran player harasses etc. I know it's too early to say but it feels as if Zerg as a race is a bit too strong right now.

Show me a hots tvz where the zerg army isn't bigger if the terran hasn't done game ending damage
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 15 2015 15:10 GMT
#233
On November 16 2015 00:09 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:07 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote:
Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o

cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou

Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it

it was used awesomely in bw.

For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue.

how did it work in bw

nydus canal was a hive tech building that could be placed on your creep, connecting it to another creep (=base, as OL didnt drop creep)
Zerg used it to defend far away expansions (most commonly defending 2 different naturals and securing 4 bases with 2 chokes that way)

that's the fun way to use nydus though
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 15 2015 15:10 GMT
#234
On November 16 2015 00:10 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:08 JackBeckman wrote:
I don't really know. It seems like in every TvZ game I see the army of the zerg player is almost always bigger than the army of the Terran player, no matter how well the Terran player harasses etc. I know it's too early to say but it feels as if Zerg as a race is a bit too strong right now.

Show me a hots tvz where the zerg army isn't bigger if the terran hasn't done game ending damage

soO vs Flash on Foxtrot :D
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6508 Posts
November 15 2015 15:11 GMT
#235
I think just need long range units to counter ravager,siege tanks should do the work
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 15 2015 15:11 GMT
#236
On November 16 2015 00:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:


Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55467 Posts
November 15 2015 15:11 GMT
#237
On November 16 2015 00:10 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:08 JackBeckman wrote:
I don't really know. It seems like in every TvZ game I see the army of the zerg player is almost always bigger than the army of the Terran player, no matter how well the Terran player harasses etc. I know it's too early to say but it feels as if Zerg as a race is a bit too strong right now.

Show me a hots tvz where the zerg army isn't bigger if the terran hasn't done game ending damage

Isn't the Zerg army generally smaller in HotS mostly because you build drones for the first 4 bases while Terran makes SCVs for the first 3?
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
November 15 2015 15:11 GMT
#238
On November 16 2015 00:07 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:05 Wintex wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:54 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
On November 15 2015 23:53 Arvendilin wrote:
Why did they never try to just lower the cost of spawning the Nydus Worm(and maybe make the main thing a bit more expensive if needed) instead of this invincibility bullshit? O_o

cause no matter how cheap you made it it was very weak and not able to get up most of the time. I still would've liked to see something different done about it thou

Nydus worms are absolutely horrible by default. It is an allin mechanic, nothing more. We don't need that in the game, so you either redesign it for different purposes or you just remove it

it was used awesomely in bw.

For very different reasons, in sc2 the bw purpose would be a non issue.

how did it work in bw

Completely defensive can only be placed on creep, good for army movement bad for all-ins -Abathur
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
JackBeckman
Profile Joined November 2015
6 Posts
November 15 2015 15:11 GMT
#239
On November 16 2015 00:10 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:08 JackBeckman wrote:
I don't really know. It seems like in every TvZ game I see the army of the zerg player is almost always bigger than the army of the Terran player, no matter how well the Terran player harasses etc. I know it's too early to say but it feels as if Zerg as a race is a bit too strong right now.

Show me a hots tvz where the zerg army isn't bigger if the terran hasn't done game ending damage


Well of course it's always a bit bigger in terms of supply but in LotV it is also a lot stronger.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 15 2015 15:11 GMT
#240
On November 16 2015 00:08 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:07 Elentos wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:05 royalroadweed wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:04 Jer99 wrote:
man what the hell do you do against Zerg?

Watch byun. Standard hots style. mmm. Byun doesn't even use liberators vs ultras. He prefers ghosts.

ByuN is a literal god and even he loses most of his games against Solar though.

He would lose most of his games vs solar in hots so working as intended I suppose :D
btw how awful is mech in lotv?
I imagine you just insta lose once zerg get's viper broodlord rolling

I think mech might be unplayable. I remember in the dreamhack qualifiers Bunny lost to Cladorhiza with 3/3 cyclone, hellbat, liberator, tank vs 1/1 roach, hydra, liberator, coruptor.
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