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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
September 20 2015 10:17 GMT
#681
On September 20 2015 19:16 blooblooblahblah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 19:15 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:14 blooblooblahblah wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:13 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:13 Noonius wrote:
but it pains me the even consider that possibility of sh making their way back into meta

that was a one-time thing


two time thing. Rogue beat her0 with it as well.

ah wasn't aware of that. Same style, forest of spines ?


Yep. It was insane when it happened, although i never thought i'd see it again, especially in such an important final. This start has 100% win rate against herO in televised games haha.

I'd say herO is not the craftier Protoss, very solid, but not so good when he has to adapt on the spot.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 20 2015 10:17 GMT
#682
On September 20 2015 19:16 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 19:13 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:12 Rollora wrote:
finally someone using Swarmhosts again.
I nerver understood how they were "removed" from the game, when they still were that strong. Guess Zerg just had to learn how to use them

You can't do this on every map, which is the reason we barely see this.

You don't have to use that exact build, but you can always mix SH in....
Some of you here behave as if that was the only build and option to make SH work, start thinking outside the box. Making a small group of units to harass isn't too much to ask. It was obviously fun to watch and displayed great skill

THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX TERRANS

BL/INFESTOR IS WEAK VS MASS BATTLECRUISER RAVEN
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
September 20 2015 10:17 GMT
#683
On September 20 2015 19:15 Ramiz1989 wrote:
If a new test patch hits live where Locusts are weaker but there is no upgrade for them(meaning they fly from the start) I think that we are going to see these kind of strategies a lot more often.

i said this in the thread about the test for it, nexus sniping will become insane and the reduced gas and supply will make it easier for zerg to hold counters
TL+ Member
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
September 20 2015 10:17 GMT
#684
On September 20 2015 19:15 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 19:14 blooblooblahblah wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:13 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:13 Noonius wrote:
but it pains me the even consider that possibility of sh making their way back into meta

that was a one-time thing


two time thing. Rogue beat her0 with it as well.

ah wasn't aware of that. Same style, forest of spines ?

Yeah, except it was on even better map, Deadwing where you can make a Spine Forest that protects 4 bases. And he also did Nydus behind the rocks of herO's third base so hero couldn't even kill that.

Eventually massive Mutas, Lings army killed herO as he kept losing Nexsus and important buildings to Locusts.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
PepsiMaxxxx
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden5452 Posts
September 20 2015 10:18 GMT
#685
Hidden SG, about time.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
September 20 2015 10:18 GMT
#686
On September 20 2015 19:15 The_Templar wrote:
S2SL Grand Finals

(Z)ByuL vs (P)herO
2-3

Map: Iron Fortress

ByuL spawns in the top right
herO spawns in the bottom right

2:00
Hatch/pool for ByuL.
herO goes gateway expand.

3:00
Third base for ByuL.
Cybernetics core for herO.

4:00
Gas for ByuL.
Stalker for herO.
herO hides a pylon all the way on the left side of the map.
Two zerglings sneak into the main base and see nothing.

5:00
herO goes proxy stargate.
ByuL sends out a few zerglings to scout but misses it.
herO poking around with two stalkers.
Oracle being chronoboosted.
Forge for herO.
Moderatorshe/her
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16836 Posts
September 20 2015 10:19 GMT
#687
On September 20 2015 19:15 RaFox17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 19:14 Wintex wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:13 Ej_ wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:12 Rollora wrote:
finally someone using Swarmhosts again.
I nerver understood how they were "removed" from the game, when they still were that strong. Guess Zerg just had to learn how to use them

locust respawn timer is 60s, the unit effectively doesn't exist for a full minute after every attack. ByuL had to make 20 spines to even hold the first attack

With a setup time, i don't understand why investing in 5 swarm hosts and nydus won't be great even in the late game.

The difficulty is in surviving to the late game. You can´ tgo to SH almost ever until the very late game and then protoss deathball is so strong that you need every unit to defeat it.

It's as if the game doesn't end when you fight a battle.

A zerg should peel the layers of the protoss army and pull him every way. you shouldn't really be able to fight a maxed out protoss and beat him in 1 fight. His army is way more expensive.
The Bomber boy
Sholip
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
Hungary422 Posts
September 20 2015 10:19 GMT
#688
Nice thing is, this SH style suits Vaani very well, but it's not like it's impossible to do on other maps, in my opinion. It's harder, but I think it could be viable.
"A hero is no braver than an ordinary man, but he is brave five minutes longer. Also, Zest is best." – Ralph Waldo Emerson
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
September 20 2015 10:19 GMT
#689
On September 20 2015 19:15 swag_bro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 19:13 Zealously wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:12 swag_bro wrote:
This map needs to fixed and spines really need to be actually static if people are going try to call that thing "static defense."


Spine crawlers fill no function while they are mobile. They only act as defense while they are static, hence 'static' defense.


Okay... how about all those base trades where the Zerg brings their unrooted spine with the army and the opponent can't do shit. Spines should at least lose health while unrooted.

are we really discussing that zerg can upgroot spines. Do you know that Zerg would be completeley hopeless against a lot of allins (bunker rush and lots of Protoss BS) without them being able to move?
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-20 10:20:49
September 20 2015 10:19 GMT
#690
On September 20 2015 19:16 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 19:13 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:12 Rollora wrote:
finally someone using Swarmhosts again.
I nerver understood how they were "removed" from the game, when they still were that strong. Guess Zerg just had to learn how to use them

You can't do this on every map, which is the reason we barely see this.

You don't have to use that exact build, but you can always mix SH in....
Some of you here behave as if that was the only build and option to make SH work, start thinking outside the box. Making a small group of units to harass isn't too much to ask. It was obviously fun to watch and displayed great skill

And of course you have to play the map

please stop talking about a race you don't understand, you can't just make up strategies where you spend a thousand gas and twenty supply to attempt harass and expect it to randomly become meta play on standard maps. muta harass is still far better than sh even with the vulnerability to pushes because you continue threatening and they can return to the fight immediately if they need to

yes it was a great map build, no you're not right that it means "more zergs have to experiment", it's like saying toss should do that vaani WP 8gate against terran on a normal map
TL+ Member
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
September 20 2015 10:19 GMT
#691
Wow Byul, is he falling apart now
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
September 20 2015 10:19 GMT
#692
WHAT A SHITTY WAY TO END THIS SEASON!!!
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
September 20 2015 10:19 GMT
#693
it's over, well done herO
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
September 20 2015 10:19 GMT
#694
That's the series boys, GG
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 20 2015 10:20 GMT
#695
On September 20 2015 19:19 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 19:15 RaFox17 wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:14 Wintex wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:13 Ej_ wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:12 Rollora wrote:
finally someone using Swarmhosts again.
I nerver understood how they were "removed" from the game, when they still were that strong. Guess Zerg just had to learn how to use them

locust respawn timer is 60s, the unit effectively doesn't exist for a full minute after every attack. ByuL had to make 20 spines to even hold the first attack

With a setup time, i don't understand why investing in 5 swarm hosts and nydus won't be great even in the late game.

The difficulty is in surviving to the late game. You can´ tgo to SH almost ever until the very late game and then protoss deathball is so strong that you need every unit to defeat it.

It's as if the game doesn't end when you fight a battle.

A zerg should peel the layers of the protoss army and pull him every way. you shouldn't really be able to fight a maxed out protoss and beat him in 1 fight. His army is way more expensive.

ZvP 101: play for a mutalisk basetrade every game
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16836 Posts
September 20 2015 10:20 GMT
#696
On September 20 2015 19:19 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 19:15 swag_bro wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:13 Zealously wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:12 swag_bro wrote:
This map needs to fixed and spines really need to be actually static if people are going try to call that thing "static defense."


Spine crawlers fill no function while they are mobile. They only act as defense while they are static, hence 'static' defense.


Okay... how about all those base trades where the Zerg brings their unrooted spine with the army and the opponent can't do shit. Spines should at least lose health while unrooted.

are we really discussing that zerg can upgroot spines. Do you know that Zerg would be completeley hopeless against a lot of allins (bunker rush and lots of Protoss BS) without them being able to move?

coem on ddue are you really taking swagbro srsly
The Bomber boy
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
September 20 2015 10:20 GMT
#697
the follow up void ray, that's a bit evil
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
September 20 2015 10:20 GMT
#698
On September 20 2015 19:17 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 19:16 Rollora wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:13 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:12 Rollora wrote:
finally someone using Swarmhosts again.
I nerver understood how they were "removed" from the game, when they still were that strong. Guess Zerg just had to learn how to use them

You can't do this on every map, which is the reason we barely see this.

You don't have to use that exact build, but you can always mix SH in....
Some of you here behave as if that was the only build and option to make SH work, start thinking outside the box. Making a small group of units to harass isn't too much to ask. It was obviously fun to watch and displayed great skill

THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX TERRANS

BL/INFESTOR IS WEAK VS MASS BATTLECRUISER RAVEN


why are people like you even on TL... if you are not able to discuss, dont reply.
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
September 20 2015 10:20 GMT
#699
On September 20 2015 19:20 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2015 19:19 Rollora wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:15 swag_bro wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:13 Zealously wrote:
On September 20 2015 19:12 swag_bro wrote:
This map needs to fixed and spines really need to be actually static if people are going try to call that thing "static defense."


Spine crawlers fill no function while they are mobile. They only act as defense while they are static, hence 'static' defense.


Okay... how about all those base trades where the Zerg brings their unrooted spine with the army and the opponent can't do shit. Spines should at least lose health while unrooted.

are we really discussing that zerg can upgroot spines. Do you know that Zerg would be completeley hopeless against a lot of allins (bunker rush and lots of Protoss BS) without them being able to move?

coem on ddue are you really taking swagbro srsly

Some people are just jealous of his swag and try to fight him
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
September 20 2015 10:20 GMT
#700
I don't get what Byul was thinking... he had a spore coming, WHY DID HE CANCEL IT?!
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
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