I mean I don't think anyone in that group can touch Rain (except maybe sexy boy if he has something special planned), so he gets the first spot. I'm not too confident in Bbyong's TvZ or TvP, so I'm thinking he'll proobably take last place. That leaves the second spot open between Dear and Rogue... I'd tend to favor Rogue slightly, but I really have no clue about the state of their PvZ/ZvP, so I don't have any certainties...
On September 02 2015 18:39 LoneYoShi wrote: I'm thinking Rain and Rogue...
I mean I don't think anyone in that group can touch Rain (except maybe sexy boy if he has something special planned), so he gets the first spot. I'm not too confident in Bbyong's TvZ or TvP, so I'm thinking he'll proobably take last place. That leaves the second spot open between Dear and Rogue... I'd tend to favor Rogue slightly, but I really have no clue about the state of their PvZ/ZvP, so I don't have any certainties...
I was watching an old (2013) Rain match earlier today casted by Tastosis, Tasteless commented that Rain was the safe player, the best Protoss to copy ladder builds from, today he said almost the exact same thing, haha
On September 02 2015 18:41 MiniFotToss wrote: wtf, those energy bars are so weird, NO??!!
they are pointless. fake hype bars
you're pointless!
I'd say something to you in Finnish but since it's apparently your birthday, I shall withhold my comment and let you drink Kossu in peace whilst wearing your best Adidas windbreaker
On September 02 2015 19:05 acinx wrote: twitched lagged and i suddenly saw the game end what happened? was it another 36 mine kill on probes
16 kills. Rain got into Bbyong's main after that with Blink but couldn't do enough damage, and he still has widow mines in his main and natural, so he GG's out.
Base trade ends with protoss losing all his tech and stuck on 1 new base, terran with weaker army but tech still alive. Bbyong gets a tech lab on his starport and gets cloak and banshees. Rain didn't get detection up and lost his nexus to a suicide attack.
Dear will probably not make the same mistake that many protoss players have made lately, which is trying to take a third at ~8:00 and then lings overrun the base so easily. I hope he sticks to a good 2 base timing attack and transition into a third that way.
On September 02 2015 19:48 NeThZOR wrote: Dear will probably not make the same mistake that many protoss players have made lately, which is trying to take a third at ~8:00 and then lings overrun the base so easily. I hope he sticks to a good 2 base timing attack and transition into a third that way.
indeed, just go immortal all in and win after getting scouted.
Rogue teched too much, didn't he? He researched lair; roach speed, zerling speed and +1 against a forge-less immo-sentry all-in... Seems too much to me.
On September 02 2015 19:48 NeThZOR wrote: Dear will probably not make the same mistake that many protoss players have made lately, which is trying to take a third at ~8:00 and then lings overrun the base so easily. I hope he sticks to a good 2 base timing attack and transition into a third that way.
indeed, just go immortal all in and win after getting scouted.
That's what I love about toss. Just go for a "push" to secure your third, but why not just win with the push?
On September 02 2015 19:54 Aelendis wrote: Rogue teched too much, didn't he? He researched lair; roach speed, zerling speed and +1 against a forge-less immo-sentry all-in... Seems too much to me.
Lair was important to get, otherwise zerg has no tech and protoss wins, but maybe don't upgrade +1 when you're getting busted...
On September 02 2015 19:59 Heartland wrote: I hate stealth missions in games which are not stealth games.
I also hate stealth games
Games like the ones in the TES series and Fallout are great because they give you options on how you want to play. I don't like Metal Gear and have never played it through. It may have "revolutionized" storytelling or whatever but I think Final Fantasy did that
On September 02 2015 19:59 Heartland wrote: I hate stealth missions in games which are not stealth games.
I also hate stealth games
Games like the ones in the TES series and Fallout are great because they give you options on how you want to play. I don't like Metal Gear and have never played it. It may have "revolutionized" storytelling or whatever but I think Final Fantasy did that
how do you know that you don't like it if you haven't played it?
On September 02 2015 19:59 Heartland wrote: I hate stealth missions in games which are not stealth games.
I also hate stealth games
Games like the ones in the TES series and Fallout are great because they give you options on how you want to play. I don't like Metal Gear and have never played it. It may have "revolutionized" storytelling or whatever but I think Final Fantasy did that
how do you know that you don't like it if you haven't played it?
Sorry, I meant that I didn't finish a title from the series because I didn't like it.
On September 02 2015 19:59 Heartland wrote: I hate stealth missions in games which are not stealth games.
I also hate stealth games
Games like the ones in the TES series and Fallout are great because they give you options on how you want to play. I don't like Metal Gear and have never played it through. It may have "revolutionized" storytelling or whatever but I think Final Fantasy did that
All I remember from playing MGS1 is hiding in boxes. I remember all of the storylines from the FF's i've played.
It's totally fair for protoss to bust zerg just like that, why build infestors when you can build things like hydralisks that actually come out earlier and beat gateway armies?
On September 02 2015 20:04 gobbledydook wrote: It's totally fair for protoss to bust zerg just like that, why build infestors when you can build things like hydralisks that actually come out earlier and beat gateway armies?
it's true that you can go hydra and just try to outmacro/outposition a gateway army, but protoss can do that and then take a third and tech up pretty easily with the forcefield buffer whereas it's very very tricky for zerg to find the correct time to tech to hive. you really get pigeonholed into hydra/viper if protoss does any kind of pressure or threatening
not saying it's imba at all though, but i can see how people are bored by "protoss is poking with forcefields and mothership core, better build hydras" almost every game when it would be more interesting for the viewer to see infestor based play be a little more stable
On September 02 2015 20:03 SC2Toastie wrote: Here we are, 5 years after release, and forcefield is still a shit spell that wins tournaments :D
"there's TONS of counter-play" - Blizzard, even though it's been proven wrong again and again
Hmm, I remember a period in Wol when only Parting could make it happen, other Protoss players failed miserably with the Train. So I would say that back then it was about skill with force fields
On September 02 2015 20:26 Diabolique wrote: I really like Bbyong ... he is such a good player, who always loses just to sOs. More such players!!! :-)
Everyone is doomed to lose to $0$ eventually...
No, e.g. Bunny does not, all mediocre, weak or strong players beat him ... when sOs has bad days ... only Bbyong was somehow always inspiring sOs to play well - that is why I like him :-)
On September 02 2015 20:35 Taf the Ghost wrote: Does "Lose 16 probes to Widow Mines into Break the base" count as cheese or dumb luck?
Think Artosis analysing it perfectly. You scout 3 gates, kill that amount of probes you make a 2nd or even a 3rd bunker. And sit and lol at Protoss trying to attack you whilst churning out bio units. Pretty dumb to have 3 marines in 1 bunker and to make a 3rd cc xD
He should have walked one mine into the drone retreat path, and then fly in with the medivac over the drone line and drop the rest. would have killed most of the drones in a single hit.
Now he just flew in and hoped that dear wouldnt react in time.
On September 02 2015 20:35 WrathSCII wrote: I can't watch the game, how did BByong throw?
Dear makes 3 gates, and robo expand. Goes to make 6 stalker and 2 obs to go attack and leave 1 obs to defend with MSC at home. Drop comes from Bbyong standar mine drop opening. Mines drop first two mines do nothing, 3rd mine some how gets 16 kills off screen. Dear then just warps in more units and just says ok im coming for the front door of the natural.
He is greeted by just 1 bunker with 3 marines in whilst making a 3rd CC xD
On September 02 2015 20:41 NeThZOR wrote: Dear please relieve the stress and just go through already. Byyong is great so bless him with your goodness to make it out in second
On September 02 2015 20:35 Taf the Ghost wrote: Does "Lose 16 probes to Widow Mines into Break the base" count as cheese or dumb luck?
It's a mix of desperate all in, silliness and slow reactions from Bbyong AND dumb luck
Basically just the kind of game that widow mines make happen
Which is why I dislike this Terran heavy-WM-drop style. It's almost like a game of two boxers taking turns punching each other once at a time, and seeing who knocks out the other first. There's no way Protoss can defend whole game (playing super safe will allow Terran to outmacro you), and forces Protoss to try an all-in and go super aggressive (which murders the Terran due to lack of defence). Essentially, it just forces players to give up on defence and go YOLO.
On September 02 2015 20:41 NeThZOR wrote: Dear please relieve the stress and just go through already. Byyong is great so bless him with your goodness to make it out in second
No way Rain loses to Bbyong again, it doesnt take a lot to figure him out and Rain is great at adapting to different styles. Rogue on the other hand is a zvt monster.
On September 02 2015 20:44 Pandemona wrote: Well who would have thought Mr Dear gets 1st place!
Not a single person who watched SPL yesterday...
Indeed, I watched SPL. Somehow it's possible to remove SPL performance perception from GSL performance
It was a snipe build. Maybe the coach even put Dear up to it. Dear looked kinda nervy before the match started. Hard to judge a player's performance by a single SPL match.
On September 02 2015 20:49 lastride wrote: Lol Maru has become the player everyone wants to play against we are talking about slumpcity here
Well he did say because he hates playing PvP...xD Then again the only person in the world who likes PvP is Oli so...
Still, once upon a time, saying you wanted to play against Maru in a professional match could have gotten you put in a psych ward. Unless you're PartinG, of course...
On September 02 2015 20:54 Cascade wrote: gogo Rougue, I want to see a ZvT decider!
You just want to see ZvMech
haha, I'm actually happy with both flavours of ZvT. :D
Rouge, do this build:
1) build some drones (optional) 2) build units 3) go kill the evil protoss
You can send me money after you win.
Rain is probably the last protoss that deserves be called evil.... I have a list of evil protosses though: Has, Hitman, MyuNgSiK, sOs and maybe Stats (feel free to continue the list)
On September 02 2015 21:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: why koreans pronouncing R as L?
ㄹ is the same letter for both L and R sounds in Korean. Depending on where it is in the word, it's pronounced L or R (the R is more of a Lr sound actually)
On September 02 2015 21:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: why koreans pronouncing R as L?
They dont have a letter for r. They have a l although it s more like in between english l and r...if that makes any sense. Same as the French and the "h" in english
Edit: the posts above mine are much better explained
On September 02 2015 21:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: why koreans pronouncing R as L?
Because they don't natively speak English?
That cant be the reason. I also dont natively speak English and i can say R. It is because they dont have the R sound in the asian languages, or the R and L sounds are just the same.
On September 02 2015 21:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: why koreans pronouncing R as L?
Because they don't natively speak English?
That cant be the reason. I also dont natively speak English and i can say R. It is because they dont have the R sound in the asian languages, or the R and L sounds are just the same.
Nope, they do have r's
Edit: Just not in the beginning and end of words. Not all East-Asian languages are the same too.
On September 02 2015 21:06 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: why koreans pronouncing R as L?
Because they don't natively speak English?
That cant be the reason. I also dont natively speak English and i can say R. It is because they dont have the R sound in the asian languages, or the R and L sounds are just the same.
Well it is something you practice. I speak Afrikaans natively so my R sounded very harsh when I spoke English when I was younger whereas it is more silent when spoken correctly but it got better as I consciously worked on it.
What a boring game. Rain needs to get kicked out for playing like that. There are trillions of people watching and he just sits at home until he can amove.
On September 02 2015 21:19 graNite wrote: What a boring game. Rain needs to get kicked out for playing like that. There are trillions of people watching and just sits at home until he can amove.
hahaha, the amount of fucks Rain (and other players who play boring styles) gives to your comment is 0
On September 02 2015 21:19 graNite wrote: What a boring game. Rain needs to get kicked out for playing like that. There are trillions of people watching and just sits at home until he can amove.
hahaha, the amount of fucks Rain (and other players who play boring styles) gives to your comment is 0
That is so low, bashing on someone's playstyle when they won with it
On September 02 2015 21:19 graNite wrote: What a boring game. Rain needs to get kicked out for playing like that. There are trillions of people watching and just sits at home until he can amove.
hahaha, the amount of fucks Rain (and other players who play boring styles) gives to your comment is 0
So? I dont comment for him to read but for the sake of good games.
On September 02 2015 21:19 graNite wrote: What a boring game. Rain needs to get kicked out for playing like that. There are trillions of people watching and just sits at home until he can amove.
hahaha, the amount of fucks Rain (and other players who play boring styles) gives to your comment is 0
That is so low, bashing on someone's playstyle when they won with it
Agreed, the players play to win money and get achievements, not to entertain us lol
On September 02 2015 21:19 graNite wrote: What a boring game. Rain needs to get kicked out for playing like that. There are trillions of people watching and just sits at home until he can amove.
hahaha, the amount of fucks Rain (and other players who play boring styles) gives to your comment is 0
So? I dont comment for him to read but for the sake of good games.
well, he doesn't play to entertain you either so don't bother
On September 02 2015 21:19 graNite wrote: What a boring game. Rain needs to get kicked out for playing like that. There are trillions of people watching and he just sits at home until he can amove.
How can you be sure it is A-Move? So the Collossi just automatically avoided fire? The Stalkers magically blinked under Corruptors? I am also suprised that there are Trillions of people now on Earth...
Rogue, such a cheeser, this is why he can beat Rain in a best of 3 but not a best of 5, lol.
He only knows how to fking cheese, that's also why he hasn't won anything or has been knocked out of all Ro8's he's in, because sure, he can cheese, but it get's him nowhere.
On September 02 2015 21:19 graNite wrote: What a boring game. Rain needs to get kicked out for playing like that. There are trillions of people watching and just sits at home until he can amove.
hahaha, the amount of fucks Rain (and other players who play boring styles) gives to your comment is 0
So? I dont comment for him to read but for the sake of good games.
well, he doesn't play to entertain you either so don't bother
Of course, where does he get his money from?in the end, It's the viewers who pay for the players.
On September 02 2015 21:19 graNite wrote: What a boring game. Rain needs to get kicked out for playing like that. There are trillions of people watching and just sits at home until he can amove.
hahaha, the amount of fucks Rain (and other players who play boring styles) gives to your comment is 0
So? I dont comment for him to read but for the sake of good games.
well, he doesn't play to entertain you either so don't bother
Of course, where does he get his money from?in the end, It's the viewers who pay for the players.
Yes! The trillions of StarCraft viewers on earth! You know that the teams pay him, and that the viewer base for Sc2 is SMALL?
On September 02 2015 21:19 graNite wrote: What a boring game. Rain needs to get kicked out for playing like that. There are trillions of people watching and just sits at home until he can amove.
hahaha, the amount of fucks Rain (and other players who play boring styles) gives to your comment is 0
So? I dont comment for him to read but for the sake of good games.
well, he doesn't play to entertain you either so don't bother
Of course, where does he get his money from?in the end, It's the viewers who pay for the players.
To be fair, in this case, he gets a fair bit of his income from winning GSL.
On September 02 2015 21:28 J. Corsair wrote: Rain absolutely asked for that loss with a nexus first on a 2-player map... against ROGUE??? The guy who will sometimes proxy-hatch inside your main?
Oh well.
I think Rain underestimated his preparation or just prepared badly. Completely agree with this, what was he thinking?
On September 02 2015 21:19 graNite wrote: What a boring game. Rain needs to get kicked out for playing like that. There are trillions of people watching and just sits at home until he can amove.
hahaha, the amount of fucks Rain (and other players who play boring styles) gives to your comment is 0
So? I dont comment for him to read but for the sake of good games.
well, he doesn't play to entertain you either so don't bother
Of course, where does he get his money from?in the end, It's the viewers who pay for the players.
Yes! The trillions of StarCraft viewers on earth! You know that the teams pay him, and that the viewer base for Sc2 is SMALL?
and gsl and his teams are paid by sponsors who get their money from? ad money comes from corporations who want to be shown in exciting matches many people watch so they get exposure and sell more to the viewers.
On September 02 2015 21:19 graNite wrote: What a boring game. Rain needs to get kicked out for playing like that. There are trillions of people watching and just sits at home until he can amove.
hahaha, the amount of fucks Rain (and other players who play boring styles) gives to your comment is 0
So? I dont comment for him to read but for the sake of good games.
well, he doesn't play to entertain you either so don't bother
Of course, where does he get his money from?in the end, It's the viewers who pay for the players.
Yes! The trillions of StarCraft viewers on earth! You know that the teams pay him, and that the viewer base for Sc2 is SMALL?
and gsl and his teams are paid by sponsors who get their money from? ad money comes from corporations who want to be shown in exciting matches many people watch so they get exposure and sell more to the viewers.
True, sponsors want their names to be put out there and be exposed so that viewers would be enticed to pay for their products/services, but what percentage of that money goes directly to the player?
On September 02 2015 21:19 graNite wrote: What a boring game. Rain needs to get kicked out for playing like that. There are trillions of people watching and just sits at home until he can amove.
hahaha, the amount of fucks Rain (and other players who play boring styles) gives to your comment is 0
So? I dont comment for him to read but for the sake of good games.
well, he doesn't play to entertain you either so don't bother
Of course, where does he get his money from?in the end, It's the viewers who pay for the players.
Yes! The trillions of StarCraft viewers on earth! You know that the teams pay him, and that the viewer base for Sc2 is SMALL?
and gsl and his teams are paid by sponsors who get their money from? ad money comes from corporations who want to be shown in exciting matches many people watch so they get exposure and sell more to the viewers.
Yes, in the end all the money comes from the viewers in some fashion, and yes, it is important for the scene that the games are fun. But I don't think that players should deliberately pick "fun" builds over another build that they think is more likely to win. It just wouldn't make any sense with all the price money etc, and I don't think it'd be fun for the viewers either, knowing that the players could have done better.
Then we should hate the game instead of the gamer.
Bbyong should just leave this greedy turtle mech style and play his usual aggressive mech where he makes like 20 banshees and does 2 base timings hellbat/thor with SCV pulls
For those of you with only passion enough for one game - Mechwarper is a cheap mech minion that makes other mech minions cheaper. So if left untouched, games spiral out of control very quickly.
On September 02 2015 21:55 Lexender wrote: Bbyong should just leave this greedy turtle mech style and play his usual aggressive mech where he makes like 20 banshees and does 2 base timings hellbat/thor with SCV pulls
On September 02 2015 21:56 DJHelium wrote: For those of you with only passion enough for one game - Mechwarper is a cheap mech minion that makes other mech minions cheaper. So if left untouched, games spiral out of control very quickly.
Or for those of us who got over the casualness of Heartstone before all the gimmicky expansions came out
On September 02 2015 21:55 Lexender wrote: Bbyong should just leave this greedy turtle mech style and play his usual aggressive mech where he makes like 20 banshees and does 2 base timings hellbat/thor with SCV pulls
be the man ForGG wanted you to be
ForGG too, mech was so fun when it wasn't the dominant meta.
On September 02 2015 21:55 Lexender wrote: Bbyong should just leave this greedy turtle mech style and play his usual aggressive mech where he makes like 20 banshees and does 2 base timings hellbat/thor with SCV pulls
be the man ForGG wanted you to be
ForGG too, mech was so fun when it wasn't the dominant meta.
that's not even mech, that's just banshee opening into amove
On September 02 2015 21:55 Lexender wrote: Bbyong should just leave this greedy turtle mech style and play his usual aggressive mech where he makes like 20 banshees and does 2 base timings hellbat/thor with SCV pulls
be the man ForGG wanted you to be
ForGG too, mech was so fun when it wasn't the dominant meta.
that's not even mech, that's just banshee opening into amove
And this isn't mech either, its just turtling into amove
On September 02 2015 21:55 Lexender wrote: Bbyong should just leave this greedy turtle mech style and play his usual aggressive mech where he makes like 20 banshees and does 2 base timings hellbat/thor with SCV pulls
be the man ForGG wanted you to be
ForGG too, mech was so fun when it wasn't the dominant meta.
that's not even mech, that's just banshee opening into amove
And this isn't mech either, its just turtling into amove
It has siege tanks which means positioning. Real mech is forced to turtle. Ofc it's boring as fuck, but that's what mech is. Vultures is just the sprinkle.
I like to see it in this manner: If player A is off point, isn't it possible that the way player B is playing is making player A tend towards being off point?
On September 02 2015 21:55 Lexender wrote: Bbyong should just leave this greedy turtle mech style and play his usual aggressive mech where he makes like 20 banshees and does 2 base timings hellbat/thor with SCV pulls
be the man ForGG wanted you to be
ForGG too, mech was so fun when it wasn't the dominant meta.
that's not even mech, that's just banshee opening into amove
And this isn't mech either, its just turtling into amove
It has siege tanks which means positioning. Real mech is forced to turtle. Ofc it's boring as fuck, but that's what mech is. Vultures is just the sprinkle.
Ahhh ok, I respect your opinion, but there are some of us who like mech and don't just go "mech is just turtle if its fun then it isn't mech!!"
Just pinning this here from the Group A preview thread:
On September 02 2015 00:09 MiniFotToss wrote: On September 01 2015 23:19 NeThZOR wrote:
I think Dear and Rogue will advance. Rain is in top form, but he isn't as good as Dear.
are you kidding me??! Rain beat him 2-0 in Starleague. And while Dear hasn't won anything in almost 2 years, Rain is the defending champion in GSL and in the Ro4 in SSL.... Edit: Rain and Dear advance Rain 2-0 Bbyong Rogue 1-2 Dear Rain 2-0 Dear Bbyong 2-1 ROgue Dear 2-1 Bbyong
Surprising results, Dear topping the group was unexpected, I didn't watch the games, I hope he didn't only Protoss bullshitted his way out of the group. Happy for Rogue who was in urgent need of Blizzcon points.
On September 02 2015 00:09 MiniFotToss wrote: On September 01 2015 23:19 NeThZOR wrote:
I think Dear and Rogue will advance. Rain is in top form, but he isn't as good as Dear.
are you kidding me??! Rain beat him 2-0 in Starleague. And while Dear hasn't won anything in almost 2 years, Rain is the defending champion in GSL and in the Ro4 in SSL.... Edit: Rain and Dear advance Rain 2-0 Bbyong Rogue 1-2 Dear Rain 2-0 Dear Bbyong 2-1 ROgue Dear 2-1 Bbyong
a hahaha well, I did get one thing right, also, I didn't know that Rain had a bad day, I can't predict that, a normal Rain should advance....
I always love it when champions go out because they underestimated their opponents (when creating their groups). This group was almost 100% created by Rain alone since he kept threatening Bbyong and Dear when they were choosing
On September 03 2015 00:04 [PkF] Wire wrote: Surprising results, Dear topping the group was unexpected, I didn't watch the games, I hope he didn't only Protoss bullshitted his way out of the group. Happy for Rogue who was in urgent need of Blizzcon points.
He won with incredibly standard play and good game sense.
Glad Dear is eking back into the spotlight after his disastrous foreign hiatus. Nothing like a comeback story.
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