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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lcT2Igv.png) Thursday, Aug 13 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00)http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2015_StarCraft_II_StarLeague_Season_3/Main_Event TL Preview:
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Classic vs HyuN Game 2
Classic vs HyuN Game 3
TY vs Rogue Game 1
TY vs Rogue Game 2
TY vs Rogue Game 3
Winners Match Game 1
Winners Match Game 2
Winners Match Game 3
Losers Match Game 1
Losers Match Game 2
Losers Match Game 3
Final Match Game 1
Final Match Game 2
Final Match Game 3
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/igzevoI.png) + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler [Classic vs HyuN] +Poll: Recommend Classic vs HyuN Game 1?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 10% ★★★- Good game (8) 80% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 10% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Classic vs HyuN Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Classic vs HyuN Game 2?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3) 30% ★★★- Good game (7) 70% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Classic vs HyuN Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Classic vs HyuN Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 25% ★★★- Good game (6) 75% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend Classic vs HyuN Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 1?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4) 40% ★★★- Good game (4) 40% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (2) 20% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2?★- Do not see this game no matter what (6) 29% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3) 14% ★★★- Good game (8) 38% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 5% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3) 14% 21 total votes Your vote: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (3) 27% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4) 36% ★★★- Good game (3) 27% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 9% 11 total votes Your vote: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?★- Do not see this game no matter what (5) 36% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 14% ★★★- Good game (3) 21% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (3) 21% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 7% 14 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?★- Do not see this game no matter what (1) 8% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 8% ★★★- Good game (7) 58% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (2) 17% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 8% 12 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (1) 4% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 8% ★★★- Good game (4) 17% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (5) 21% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (12) 50% 24 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 20% ★★★- Good game (1) 20% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (3) 60% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) 0% ★★★- Good game (5) 71% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (2) 29% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4) 80% ★★★- Good game (1) 20% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 1?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 10% ★★★- Good game (3) 30% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (6) 60% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?★- Do not see this game no matter what (1) 8% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0) 0% ★★★- Good game (3) 25% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (7) 58% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 8% 12 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (3) 11% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 7% ★★★- Good game (3) 11% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (6) 21% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (14) 50% 28 total votes Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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Thank you for the thread!
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Expecting Classic and Rogue to make it out but hoping for TY
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Even I was around for the days where people would fight over who got to do LRs, now were lucky if anyone even makes one before the event starts. Damn kids these days
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at the very least, we should get a fun TvZ between TY and Rogue
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Australia18228 Posts
The bracket is way better for Classic if he gets 2nd
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On August 13 2015 18:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Even I was around for the days where people would fight over who got to do LRs, now were lucky if anyone even makes one before the event starts. Damn kids these days
where's your LR thread for this?
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Is Classic seriously being greedy enough not to send a 2nd scouting probe?
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On August 13 2015 18:44 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 18:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Even I was around for the days where people would fight over who got to do LRs, now were lucky if anyone even makes one before the event starts. Damn kids these days where's your LR thread for this?
all y'all are lazy bums
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On August 13 2015 18:44 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 18:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Even I was around for the days where people would fight over who got to do LRs, now were lucky if anyone even makes one before the event starts. Damn kids these days where's your LR thread for this?
Im about to go to bed as it is 3:45 where I am and I shouldn't even be awake
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I wonder how differently people would view Hyun if he had won that GSL?
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On August 13 2015 18:45 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 18:44 Ej_ wrote:On August 13 2015 18:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Even I was around for the days where people would fight over who got to do LRs, now were lucky if anyone even makes one before the event starts. Damn kids these days where's your LR thread for this? all y'all are lazy bums
I'm going to cinema again today :[, would've done it otherwise
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Looks like Hyun came prepared
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
Proxy bases :/
Edit> Damn, proxy, not gold >< Blind me :D
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On August 13 2015 18:46 deacon.frost wrote:
Gold bases :/
man these gold bases HyuN never took
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Classic played like a dumbass. Seriously, why wouldn't you send a second probe scout ?
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OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. But will he get another win? I sure hope so.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 13 2015 18:47 Ej_ wrote:man these gold bases HyuN never took
I edited it faster than you hit send 
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On August 13 2015 18:48 Thrillz wrote:
Sick strat
I love how HyuN proxied the hatchery just to get the queen to kill MsC
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Canada8157 Posts
How the hell do protoss not expect this? Zergs do it all the time, do they keep forgetting that this is a strategy?
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incidentally I really love the random map draws
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On August 13 2015 18:49 Jer99 wrote:
How the hell do protoss not expect this? Zergs do it all the time, do they keep forgetting that this is a strategy?
this is the guy that was eliminated by Shine right after his GSL championship
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
Poll: Recommend Classic vs HyuN Game 1?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 10% ★★★- Good game (8) 80% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 10% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Classic vs HyuN Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
OK, my Greek mythology isn't the best, but Cerberus is considered a god? Or was there some error on my side and I misheard?
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Who let Creator in Classic's booth?
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Are we going to see Crackling/Corrupter? Given the current Meta, it really could work.
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On August 13 2015 19:02 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Are we going to see Crackling/Corrupter? Given the current Meta, it really could work.
HyuN got no hive
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On August 13 2015 19:03 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 19:02 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Are we going to see Crackling/Corrupter? Given the current Meta, it really could work. HyuN got no hive
Also, phoenix/void/colo
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what an awful game by HyuN
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On August 13 2015 19:03 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 19:02 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Are we going to see Crackling/Corrupter? Given the current Meta, it really could work. HyuN got no hive
Yeah, saw that after posting. And he also didn't swing his lings around the back, either.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
Poll: Recommend Classic vs HyuN Game 2?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3) 30% ★★★- Good game (7) 70% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Classic vs HyuN Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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Ahh, Voidray Colossus, such an old build, haven't seen it in forever
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On August 13 2015 18:55 deacon.frost wrote:
OK, my Greek mythology isn't the best, but Cerberus is considered a god? Or was there some error on my side and I misheard?
No, he's not considered a god. Valdes mistakenly called him a god.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 13 2015 19:05 Larkin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 18:55 deacon.frost wrote:
OK, my Greek mythology isn't the best, but Cerberus is considered a god? Or was there some error on my side and I misheard? No, he's not considered a god. Valdes mistakenly called him a god.
Thanks for confirmation.
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HyuN should have put that hatchery in Classic's natural, not like it would ever get scouted.
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On August 13 2015 19:07 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 19:05 Larkin wrote:On August 13 2015 18:55 deacon.frost wrote:
OK, my Greek mythology isn't the best, but Cerberus is considered a god? Or was there some error on my side and I misheard? No, he's not considered a god. Valdes mistakenly called him a god. Thanks for confirmation.
From Wikipedia:
Cerberus is the offspring of Echidna, a hybrid half-woman and half-serpent, and Typhon, a gigantic monster whom even the Greek gods feared. It's listed as a "legendary creature"
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On August 13 2015 19:08 Ej_ wrote:
HyuN should have put that hatchery in Classic's natural, not like it would ever get scouted.
LOL, yeah right, good call
Classic Scouted
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On August 13 2015 19:11 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 19:08 Ej_ wrote:
HyuN should have put that hatchery in Classic's natural, not like it would ever get scouted. LOL, yeah right, good call Classic Scouted
It's learning.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
Heh, talk about scouting when Hyun builds every building he can 
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I just realized the font for the map name for the new SSL overlay is too big to fit "Vaani Research Station" into the alloted space.
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On August 13 2015 19:13 deacon.frost wrote:Heh, talk about scouting when Hyun builds every building he can
actually all of this is very telling about his playstyle since he doesn't have a RW or a hydra den
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 13 2015 19:14 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 19:13 deacon.frost wrote:Heh, talk about scouting when Hyun builds every building he can actually all of this is very telling about his playstyle since he doesn't have a RW or a hydra den
Oh, right, I thought he built hydra den already, my bad.
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interesting strat from Hyun, I'd like to see where he was going with it...
also lol at the chin comment
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I love how Hyun made 10 spines on the choke point and Classic just walked through the one next to it.
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Weird strat by Hyun... so weird
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ling/bane is legit but you need to have a lot of banes ready and hit the fungals
neither of which HyuN did
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
Poll: Recommend Classic vs HyuN Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 25% ★★★- Good game (6) 75% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend Classic vs HyuN Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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why did zerg stop flank attacks like 2010 & 2011?
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On August 13 2015 19:18 x0x0 wrote:
Weird strat by Hyun... so weird
If Classic waited two more minutes (or tossed down a 4th), it would have worked a lot better.
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On August 13 2015 19:19 Dingodile wrote:
why did zerg stop flank attacks like 2010 & 2011?
they didn't and maps
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Russian Federation1612 Posts
HyuN undestanding it's neither end of WoL nor WCS America
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On August 13 2015 19:18 Ej_ wrote:
ling/bane is legit but you need to have a lot of banes ready and hit the fungals
neither of which HyuN did
wouldnt have worked anyway because banelings were running into archons (19 banelings kill 1 achon). Avoid to hit fungals is very easy with blink stalkers, you only need to know the range.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
Holy shit, this ad is the best.
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On August 13 2015 19:20 Taf the Ghost wrote:If Classic waited two more minutes (or tossed down a 4th), it would have worked a lot better.
I dont think i saw a proper Toss pro who is on 3 base vs Zerg, didn't take any damage in the early game and not do a timing or some push at the +/-12 min mark ...this waiting game from the zerg is very risky vs Toss...
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
T TY looks like a crying face holding up the V sign.
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Austria24417 Posts
Watching Starleague at the airport because that's how supremely ESPORTS I am
Edit: phone didn't all caps ESPORTS
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On August 13 2015 19:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Watching Starleague at the airport because that's how supremely ESPORTS I am
Edit: phone didn't all caps ESPORTS
flying to Seoul I hope?
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On August 13 2015 19:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Watching Starleague at the airport because that's how supremely ESPORTS I am
Edit: phone didn't all caps ESPORTS
So much passion
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Every Terran plays Mech vs zerg nowadays.....??
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United States97276 Posts
wow Classic dropped a game? slump
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Austria24417 Posts
On August 13 2015 19:38 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 19:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Watching Starleague at the airport because that's how supremely ESPORTS I am
Edit: phone didn't all caps ESPORTS flying to Seoul I hope?
Going to the Netherlands ;O
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United States97276 Posts
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Terran in prime position to float main to 4th and outmacro Z
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
Poll: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 1?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4) 40% ★★★- Good game (4) 40% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (2) 20% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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Kind of a joke to attack with only 3 Thors for your anti-air. If Rogue would have built more than 6 mutas instead of spending all of that money on upgrades and tech he could have easily magicboxed the Thors and destroyed TY's entire army.
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Rogue had the right spirit, but didn't have the 400/400 unit cap necessary to fight mech.
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On August 13 2015 19:46 Devolved wrote:
Kind of a joke to attack with only 3 Thors for your anti-air. If Rogue would have built more than 6 mutas instead of spending all of that money on upgrades and tech he could have easily magicboxed the Thors and destroyed TY's entire army.
could have won the game too if scvs didnt block the ramp.
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Besides SoO, has any Zerg beaten late game MECH at pro level lately?....Pro meaning KR tournaments
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On August 13 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
Besides SoO, has any Zerg beaten late game MECH at pro level lately?....Pro meaning KR tournaments
Impact
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On August 13 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
Besides SoO, has any Zerg beaten late game MECH at pro level lately?....Pro meaning KR tournaments
Dark but it's getting increasingly more difficult it seems
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Mute City2363 Posts
On August 13 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
Besides SoO, has any Zerg beaten late game MECH at pro level lately?....Pro meaning KR tournaments
Dark
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On August 13 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
Besides SoO, has any Zerg beaten late game MECH at pro level lately?....Pro meaning KR tournaments
Dark and Impact.
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Dark didn't beat lategame mech, he hit a timing before lategame
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At this point I wanna see Roach drops. I don't think they'd do much, but I'm curious.
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Nothing against Mech plays ...but for a viewer (me) the games are boring....the actual fights are nice dough...i miss all the bio vs muta/ling/bane...so much entertaining...
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hmm I don't like the blinding cloud spell, it sometimes seems too strong. you can directly attack in a well positioned, spread mech army if you have enough vipers... maybe the area should get a small nerf?
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Terraform is such a good map for mech lol.
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Only way for TY to loose is to royally fuck up. Terraform is death against mech.
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On August 13 2015 20:00 x0x0 wrote:
Nothing against Mech plays ...but for a viewer (me) the games are boring....the actual fights are nice dough...i miss all the bio vs muta/ling/bane...so much entertaining... well I agree, but sometimes its nice to see mech, I find it thrilling right now. Its better then any protoss game for me. Boring is the very late game, where its almost stalemate, thank god Swarm Hosts got defused
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On August 13 2015 20:03 Rollora wrote:
hmm I don't like the blinding cloud spell, it sometimes seems too strong. you can directly attack in a well positioned, spread mech army if you have enough vipers... maybe the area should get a small nerf?
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On August 13 2015 20:03 Rollora wrote:
hmm I don't like the blinding cloud spell, it sometimes seems too strong. you can directly attack in a well positioned, spread mech army if you have enough vipers... maybe the area should get a small nerf?
Mech would be even stronger after that. It´s already near impossible to win in the late-game against mech.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
Please kill me... This is the most boring shit ever...
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 13 2015 20:04 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:00 x0x0 wrote:
Nothing against Mech plays ...but for a viewer (me) the games are boring....the actual fights are nice dough...i miss all the bio vs muta/ling/bane...so much entertaining... well I agree, but sometimes its nice to see mech, I find it thrilling right now. Its better then any protoss game for me
Why? It's even bigger deathball and turtling than spoon Protoss style...
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On August 13 2015 20:03 Rollora wrote:
hmm I don't like the blinding cloud spell, it sometimes seems too strong. you can directly attack in a well positioned, spread mech army if you have enough vipers... maybe the area should get a small nerf?
Yeah for sure, Zerg should not be able to attack at all!
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On August 13 2015 20:03 Rollora wrote:
hmm I don't like the blinding cloud spell, it sometimes seems too strong. you can directly attack in a well positioned, spread mech army if you have enough vipers... maybe the area should get a small nerf?
what the fuck lol, is that some new iteration of swag_bro?
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Wolf there are several answers to BCs....
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 13 2015 20:06 Rollora wrote:
Wolf there are several answers to BCs....
Ragequit, GG and Fantasy GG. What else?
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On August 13 2015 20:05 Seeker wrote:
Please kill me... This is the most boring shit ever...
no.. we need lb's!
It's not just boring it's kinda unfair imo
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On August 13 2015 20:08 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:06 Rollora wrote:
Wolf there are several answers to BCs.... Ragequit, GG and Fantasy GG. What else?
go mass corruptor, focus down the BCs, let the siege tanks kill all of your buildings
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You know, with the rework of the Swarm Host, I'm realizing that the super-tanking on Swarm Hosts was really more tactically necessary than we realized. Late game TvZ or ZvP is really about the non-Zerg just playing defense until they get their unkillable army up.
This is really quite boring.
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What a fucking joke play...
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I enjoy mech games, I don't know. I know people hate them, a lot, but a long macro Starcraft game about positioning and managing all the late game is enjoyable to me.
That said - Fuck, mech is strong. D:
Zerg on seven "bases," and he needs more to compensate for the inefficiency.
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God damn, what a boring game.
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Seems like I didn't miss anything while I was eating
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I see that removal of SHs really improved this match-up.
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Is there scope for just nydusing the entire army into the production of the terran? TY's army is nowhere near his main.
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On August 13 2015 20:08 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:08 deacon.frost wrote:On August 13 2015 20:06 Rollora wrote:
Wolf there are several answers to BCs.... Ragequit, GG and Fantasy GG. What else? go mass corruptor, focus down the BCs, let the siege tanks kill all of your buildings
I, honestly, think, that the worst thing about mech is that you can, in the end game, sacrifice almost all SCVs so it is even more deadlier. This is far by the worst thing about MULE in TvZ IMO.
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On August 13 2015 20:09 Rehio wrote:
I enjoy mech games, I don't know. I know people hate them, a lot, but a long macro Starcraft game about positioning and managing all the late game is enjoyable to me.
That said - Fuck, mech is strong. D:
Zerg on seven "bases," and he needs more to compensate for the inefficiency.
What I don't like is the "positioning" is so obvious and undynamic. We've seen this a thousand times and there really isn't space for interesting Zerg responses.
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On August 13 2015 20:09 Rehio wrote:
I enjoy mech games, I don't know. I know people hate them, a lot, but a long macro Starcraft game about positioning and managing all the late game is enjoyable to me.
That said - Fuck, mech is strong. D:
Zerg on seven "bases," and he needs more to compensate for the inefficiency.
yeah but does you really see positional play here?
it is basically siege up and stay there and wait for the zerg to engage
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On August 13 2015 20:05 Vanadiel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:03 Rollora wrote:
hmm I don't like the blinding cloud spell, it sometimes seems too strong. you can directly attack in a well positioned, spread mech army if you have enough vipers... maybe the area should get a small nerf? Yeah for sure, Zerg should not be able to attack at all!
Not what I meant.
Dafuq? Did I say it should get removed?
I said its very strong, too strong for my taste. The Zerg in this case could throw his whole army, killed the whole mech army, although greatly spread out etc etc and still the Zerg killed almost the whole army.
After such engagements the Zerg is often times ahead, since its harder to remake army for the Terran.
I all I was asking if someone else feels the AREA it effects, could get a little nerfed. 3 vipers and roach/hydra were enough to kill 90 supply of tanks and thors - that seems like a huge lot if you have a scenario where both players have a bank - and then the zerg remaxes and attacks again, its a game deciding spell that cannot get answered
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On August 13 2015 20:10 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:05 Vanadiel wrote:On August 13 2015 20:03 Rollora wrote:
hmm I don't like the blinding cloud spell, it sometimes seems too strong. you can directly attack in a well positioned, spread mech army if you have enough vipers... maybe the area should get a small nerf? Yeah for sure, Zerg should not be able to attack at all! Not what I meant. Dafuq? Did I say it should get removed? I said its very strong, too strong for my taste. The Zerg in this case could throw his whole army, killed the whole mech army, although greatly spread out etc etc and still the Zerg killed almost the whole army. After such engagements the Zerg is often times ahead, since its harder to remake army for the Terran. I all I was asking if someone else feels the AREA it effects, could get a little nerfed. 3 vipers and roach/hydra were enough to kill 90 supply of tanks and thors - that seems like a huge lot if you have a scenario where both players have a bank - and then the zerg remaxes and attacks again, its a game deciding spell that cannot get answered
meak viking, spread units
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
TY please fucking win. I cannot stand a game three...
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Finally start to see BCs outside TvT...
And it's killing my favorite matchup
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ok im going to see Antman, enjoy the suffering LR
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On August 13 2015 20:08 Taf the Ghost wrote:
You know, with the rework of the Swarm Host, I'm realizing that the super-tanking on Swarm Hosts was really more tactically necessary than we realized. Late game TvZ or ZvP is really about the non-Zerg just playing defense until they get their unkillable army up.
This is really quite boring.
runbys and other stuff helps a lot vs mech.
Also: what you describe also seems to be every macro PvX 
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These vipers are gonna be the bane of his existence or main cause of his downfall. Abduct and blinding clouds gonna wreck TY's army easily when Rogue decides to finally engage.
At super lategame TvZ, it really doesn't hurt to get a few ghosts just to EMP the vipers and Infestors and even Queens to stop transfuses on Ultras.
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Yeah, I suppose the whole "positioning" I enjoy in long games isn't really something that's happening on Terraform. Hm..
Battlecruisers are terrifying. Totalbiscuit knew the key from the start.
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On August 13 2015 20:08 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:06 Rollora wrote:
Wolf there are several answers to BCs.... Ragequit, GG and Fantasy GG. What else?
Because the BC is such an Imba unit, we see it in every TvX... not.
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The minimap is kind of pretty with the creep though...
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Rogue doing nice job. Abduct is the answer!
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Few ravens would be amazing.
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On August 13 2015 20:08 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:06 Rollora wrote:
Wolf there are several answers to BCs.... Ragequit, GG and Fantasy GG. What else?
You forgot BM........real old fashion BM
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On August 13 2015 20:12 Ej_ wrote:
ok im going to see Antman, enjoy the suffering LR
think of the game with SH still in it. THAT would be suffering...
This is 10x more entertaining then some months ago.
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On August 13 2015 20:10 Gowerly wrote:
Is there scope for just nydusing the entire army into the production of the terran? TY's army is nowhere near his main.
5 years and zergs still don't know how to use Nydus properly.
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haha see how STRONG Mech is. Ahead all game, now...?
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On August 13 2015 20:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:10 Gowerly wrote:
Is there scope for just nydusing the entire army into the production of the terran? TY's army is nowhere near his main. 5 years and zergs still don't know how to use Nydus properly.
To be fair, Terrans with ghost usage in TvP has always been up and down as well. Even if it does get used in mid game timing pushes like 3 ghosts with boys pull near max supply. And sort of being used for late game TvP. It's normally not even considered.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 13 2015 20:13 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:08 deacon.frost wrote:On August 13 2015 20:06 Rollora wrote:
Wolf there are several answers to BCs.... Ragequit, GG and Fantasy GG. What else? Because the BC is such an Imba unit, we see it in every TvX... not.
Well it's not about the BC itself, it's about BC in the mech composition, you know? Thsi is a game, not some unit tester scemario.
But from your comments I think you are either trolling or Terran biased, so... whatever
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On August 13 2015 20:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:10 Gowerly wrote:
Is there scope for just nydusing the entire army into the production of the terran? TY's army is nowhere near his main. 5 years and zergs still don't know how to use Nydus properly.
To be honest, it is quite hard
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
shouldn't he make infestors?
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Supply cap
Zerg's biggest enemy late game
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On August 13 2015 20:15 yoshi245 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:On August 13 2015 20:10 Gowerly wrote:
Is there scope for just nydusing the entire army into the production of the terran? TY's army is nowhere near his main. 5 years and zergs still don't know how to use Nydus properly. To be fair, Terrans with ghost usage in TvP has always been up and down as well. Even if it does get used in mid game timing pushes like 3 ghosts with boys pull near max supply. And sort of being used for late game TvP. It's normally not even considered.
A few ghosts here would be devastating, too. A lot of reliance on transfuse could be eliminated.
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On August 13 2015 20:14 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:10 Gowerly wrote:
Is there scope for just nydusing the entire army into the production of the terran? TY's army is nowhere near his main. 5 years and zergs still don't know how to use Nydus properly.
sensor towers, missile turrets, widow mines, full vision...not as easy as pie
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
Blizzard needs to buff bio. Otherwise the rest of HotS SC2 and possibly even LotV is just going to be this shit over and over again...
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Good lord, that SkyTerran Concave.
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WOuldnt hydras be better?
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On August 13 2015 20:16 Wildmoon wrote:
This is fun.:D
What part?
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Those macro mechanics at work
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On August 13 2015 20:17 Chr15t wrote:
WOuldnt hydras be better?
Life showed us they don't work :/
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On August 13 2015 20:17 Chr15t wrote:
WOuldnt hydras be better?
With what few tanks TY has now, he can switch to it immediately after his air army gets murdered as he got the bank for it.
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On August 13 2015 20:08 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:06 Rollora wrote:
Wolf there are several answers to BCs.... Ragequit, GG and Fantasy GG. What else?
Mass spore around 40 SwarmHost, alt tab, watch game of thrones. Used to work. 
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Need fungal with this mass corruptor surely
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On August 13 2015 20:16 Seeker wrote:
Blizzard needs to buff bio. Otherwise the rest of HotS SC2 and possibly even LotV is just going to be this shit over and over again...
Just a few month ago if words like these will definitely be called crazy
Mech...*facedeak*
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Damn that concave of vikings....
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I don't think TY moved over the mid point of the map once with his army?
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holy shit that battle with that unzoom, amazing
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On August 13 2015 20:19 Jono7272 wrote:
Need fungal with this mass corruptor surely
yeah. now he builds a few ^_^
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Needs ravens too. PDD and/or Seeker missles would have been so helpful vs. that.
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This game would have been over a long time ago with Ravens. Kind of stupid, but congrats to Rogue I guess.
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On August 13 2015 19:51 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 19:49 x0x0 wrote:
Besides SoO, has any Zerg beaten late game MECH at pro level lately?....Pro meaning KR tournaments Dark and Impact.
And Rogue.
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On August 13 2015 20:20 CruelZeratul wrote:
This game would have been over a long time ago with Ravens. Kind of stupid, but congrats to Rogue I guess.
TY was overconfident in his mech abilities
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Rogue!!!!! Somebody should tell TY about ravens :D
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
Poll: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2?Fuck no (20) 100% 20 total votes Your vote: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2? (Vote): Fuck no
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Who was that guy talking to TY ??
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It's like KT Terrans can't think for themselves and have to stick to build/unit comp no matter what these days.
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Yay Rogue ! Well played :D
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On August 13 2015 20:16 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:13 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 20:08 deacon.frost wrote:On August 13 2015 20:06 Rollora wrote:
Wolf there are several answers to BCs.... Ragequit, GG and Fantasy GG. What else? Because the BC is such an Imba unit, we see it in every TvX... not. Well it's not about the BC itself, it's about BC in the mech composition, you know? Thsi is a game, not some unit tester scemario. But from your comments I think you are either trolling or Terran biased, so... whatever
yeah I am trolling
No, I'll take a step back now:
Maybe I am terran biased, since I started with Terran and focused on macro games with macro, micro, multitasking to the limit. I went up to diamond without cheese but then it got frustrating, especially in lategame.
Because complaining doesn't improve my game, I tried different things but found out - I have reached my limit and Diamond Macro Terran is a fine achievement, its an extremely hard game to play with the constant harassement all game on and multitasking, splitting focusing etc (micro) in battles...
So I thought about switching to other races or try them out, play them to the limit.
So I am also Zerg biased and Protos biased since then
Depending on which player plays, I let my bias hit the keyboard and the LR thread. So If I'd be for Rogue in this Game/Match right now, I would complain about Mech...
But since it got trashed hard, Obvsly there is nothing to complain about :D
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Answer: 4x bank, terran makes no ravens
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On August 13 2015 20:19 Yiome wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:16 Seeker wrote:
Blizzard needs to buff bio. Otherwise the rest of HotS SC2 and possibly even LotV is just going to be this shit over and over again... Just a few month ago if words like these will definitely be called crazy Mech...*facedeak*
I don't know why people are all craving for mech to be viable. Mech in SC2 is plain boring, turtly and frustrating.
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KT curse is real this season.
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On August 13 2015 20:19 yoshi245 wrote:
Needs ravens too. PDD and/or Seeker missles would have been so helpful vs. that.
Indeed, few raven would have done so much, then more runby of hellions to deny the base and limit the bank.
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On August 13 2015 20:21 yoshi245 wrote:
It's like KT Terrans can't think for themselves and have to stick to build/unit comp no matter what these days.
that counts for a lot of Korean Pros.
We so often see Players not making the unit we think and see whats right, since they are in robot mode/automatic mode
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On August 13 2015 20:21 lastride wrote:
Who was that guy talking to TY ??
Most likely a coach.
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On August 13 2015 20:21 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:16 deacon.frost wrote:On August 13 2015 20:13 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 20:08 deacon.frost wrote:On August 13 2015 20:06 Rollora wrote:
Wolf there are several answers to BCs.... Ragequit, GG and Fantasy GG. What else? Because the BC is such an Imba unit, we see it in every TvX... not. Well it's not about the BC itself, it's about BC in the mech composition, you know? Thsi is a game, not some unit tester scemario. But from your comments I think you are either trolling or Terran biased, so... whatever yeah I am trolling No, I'll take a step back now: Maybe I am terran biased, since I started with Terran and focused on macro games with macro, micro, multitasking to the limit. I went up to diamond without cheese but then it got frustrating, especially in lategame. Because complaining doesn't improve my game, I tried different things but found out - I have reached my limit and Diamond Macro Terran is a fine achievement, its an extremely hard game to play with the constant harassement all game on and multitasking, splitting focusing etc (micro) in battles... So I thought about switching to other races or try them out, play them to the limit. So I am also Zerg biased and Protos biased since then Depending on which player plays, I let my bias hit the keyboard and the LR thread. So If I'd be for Rogue in this Game/Match right now, I would complain about Mech... But since it got trashed hard, Obvsly there is nothing to complain about :D
What do you mean when you say "diamond" is your limit? How much do you play?
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On August 13 2015 20:22 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:21 yoshi245 wrote:
It's like KT Terrans can't think for themselves and have to stick to build/unit comp no matter what these days. that counts for a lot of Korean Pros. We so often see Players not making the unit we think and see whats right, since they are in robot mode/automatic mode
Tunnel vision is real.
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On August 13 2015 20:21 sparklyresidue wrote:
Answer: 4x bank, terran makes no ravens
Pretty much. And the maps are really helping in that regard, right now.
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On August 13 2015 20:21 Seeker wrote:Poll: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2?Fuck no (20) 100% 20 total votes Your vote: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2? (Vote): Fuck no
I thought it to be entertaining, back and forth. Explain what was so bad at that game? Especially considering how boring the SH vs Mech games were before...
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On August 13 2015 20:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Mech is very ESPORTS
yes
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On August 13 2015 20:22 yoshi245 wrote:Most likely a coach.
Yeah? He looked kinda like Hyun lol
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On August 13 2015 20:21 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:19 Yiome wrote:On August 13 2015 20:16 Seeker wrote:
Blizzard needs to buff bio. Otherwise the rest of HotS SC2 and possibly even LotV is just going to be this shit over and over again... Just a few month ago if words like these will definitely be called crazy Mech...*facedeak* I don't know why people are all craving for mech to be viable. Mech in SC2 is plain boring, turtly and frustrating.
I think somewhere in our heart we believed Blizzard can make mech viable and fun at the same time...
Oh let keeps that glimpse of hope for LotV then
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On August 13 2015 20:24 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:22 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 20:21 yoshi245 wrote:
It's like KT Terrans can't think for themselves and have to stick to build/unit comp no matter what these days. that counts for a lot of Korean Pros. We so often see Players not making the unit we think and see whats right, since they are in robot mode/automatic mode Tunnel vision is real.
mine or theirs now. It really seems EU players play slower (mechanically) with more thinking involved - at least to me and at least sometimes (not all the time)
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On August 13 2015 20:24 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:21 Seeker wrote:Poll: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2?Fuck no (20) 100% 20 total votes Your vote: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2? (Vote): Fuck no
I thought it to be entertaining, back and forth. Explain what was so bad at that game? Especially considering how boring the SH vs Mech games were before...
Didn't you get the memo that mech v Z games are automatically bad?
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On August 13 2015 20:24 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:21 Seeker wrote:Poll: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2?Fuck no (20) 100% 20 total votes Your vote: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2? (Vote): Fuck no
I thought it to be entertaining, back and forth. Explain what was so bad at that game? Especially considering how boring the SH vs Mech games were before...
I actually liked sh vs mech more than this. It was about positioning and slow pushing from both sides.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
Poll: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2?★- Do not see this game no matter what (6) 29% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3) 14% ★★★- Good game (8) 38% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 5% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3) 14% 21 total votes Your vote: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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On August 13 2015 20:22 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:21 yoshi245 wrote:
It's like KT Terrans can't think for themselves and have to stick to build/unit comp no matter what these days. that counts for a lot of Korean Pros. We so often see Players not making the unit we think and see whats right, since they are in robot mode/automatic mode
Yeah, I can't honestly think of any recent Korean Terran player willing to adapt on the fly in such a way. Even Maru with his micro and skill still sticks with the same ol tried and true bio that suits him so well. Not that I'm asking Korean Terrans to get creative when faced with a pretty obvious composition (the massive corruptor spam Rogue did at the end of that game which begs why TY didn't even make a single raven). But would be nice to see these things.
I'd kill to see actual ghosts used in late TvZ games just to nullify zerg caster usage.
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No problem Wolf, thanks for using all your strenghts to put 3.5 mm of plug in.
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On August 13 2015 20:24 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:21 Seeker wrote:Poll: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2?Fuck no (20) 100% 20 total votes Your vote: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2? (Vote): Fuck no
I thought it to be entertaining, back and forth. Explain what was so bad at that game? Especially considering how boring the SH vs Mech games were before...
Personally I think zerg with 5 digit bank needs to remax 3 time to kill a mech army kills the fun for me.
But I mostly play Zerg so I'm bias here
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ty only lost because he didnt mining enough. 1k or 2k minerals more were enough.
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On August 13 2015 20:26 yoshi245 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:22 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 20:21 yoshi245 wrote:
It's like KT Terrans can't think for themselves and have to stick to build/unit comp no matter what these days. that counts for a lot of Korean Pros. We so often see Players not making the unit we think and see whats right, since they are in robot mode/automatic mode Yeah, I can't honestly think of any recent Korean Terran player willing to adapt on the fly in such a way. Even Maru with his micro and skill still sticks with the same ol tried and true bio that suits him so well. Not that I'm asking Korean Terrans to get creative when faced with a pretty obvious composition (the massive corruptor spam Rogue did at the end of that game which begs why TY didn't even make a single raven). But would be nice to see these things. I'd kill to see actual ghosts used in late TvZ games just to nullify zerg caster usage.
Too expensive, too hard to pull of/micro because they are easily focus down etc... not viable anymore
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On August 13 2015 20:27 Dingodile wrote:
ty only lost because he didnt mining enough. 1k or 2k minerals more were enough.
This was a very important factor. Rogue's creep spread was pretty damn strong and basically contained him to 5 base most of the game.
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LOL wut? I spent more time typing, and just missed TY's win.
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Well, that was certainly different from the last game.
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Rogue putting us out of our misery
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sigh, ending a series like that
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That was about as anticlimactic as possible.
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On August 13 2015 20:27 Dingodile wrote:
ty only lost because he didnt mining enough. 1k or 2k minerals more were enough.
no, the zerg had complete map control and the bank was so huge he could tech swith or whatever and kill him
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
Poll: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 3?★- Do not see this game no matter what (3) 27% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4) 36% ★★★- Good game (3) 27% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 9% 11 total votes Your vote: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 3? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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All ins are the saviours of SC2... nobody gets bored by all ins.... wheather they succeed or not.... toss all ins, zerg all ins, terran all ins..... so much fun.
I would give huge prizes for the fastest wins in a tournament... if i was a multi billion dollars,euros magnate/CEO/..etc 
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The problem of mech is not that you can turtle with it, the problem is that it is too hard for the enemy to trade with you cause everything in sc2 is about efficiency.
There aren't a lot of efficient ways to attack into mech AND you simply cannot swarm it either cause you won't have more income without cutting army supply
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On August 13 2015 20:27 Yiome wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:24 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 20:21 Seeker wrote:Poll: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2?Fuck no (20) 100% 20 total votes Your vote: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2? (Vote): Fuck no
I thought it to be entertaining, back and forth. Explain what was so bad at that game? Especially considering how boring the SH vs Mech games were before... Personally I think zerg with 5 digit bank needs to remax 3 time to kill a mech army kills the fun for me. But I mostly play Zerg so I'm bias here
thats a problem with the race design then, since Zerg is basically designed to easily remax (7+units out of a 300 min building if incected regularly). That adds to the "swarm" feeling.
On the other hand its not possible to remax in time for the Terran if he loses 80% of the army, so the army has to be less fragile.
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On August 13 2015 20:32 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:27 Yiome wrote:On August 13 2015 20:24 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 20:21 Seeker wrote:Poll: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2?Fuck no (20) 100% 20 total votes Your vote: Recommend TY vs Rogue Game 2? (Vote): Fuck no
I thought it to be entertaining, back and forth. Explain what was so bad at that game? Especially considering how boring the SH vs Mech games were before... Personally I think zerg with 5 digit bank needs to remax 3 time to kill a mech army kills the fun for me. But I mostly play Zerg so I'm bias here thats a problem with the race design then, since Zerg is basically designed to easily remax (7+units out of a 300 min building if incected regularly). That adds to the "swarm" feeling. On the other hand its not possible to remax in time for the Terran if he loses 80% of the army, so the army has to be less fragile.
It's not even a problem.
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Well at least Rogue gets a free win vs HyuN TY could get troubles by his tricky playstyle
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On August 13 2015 20:34 lastride wrote:Well at least Rogue gets a free win vs HyuN TY could get troubles by his tricky playstyle
i wouldn't be so sure
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On August 13 2015 20:34 lastride wrote:Well at least Rogue gets a free win vs HyuN TY could get troubles by his tricky playstyle
Hyun 3-0d Dark recently, he can take Rogue too
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On August 13 2015 20:34 lastride wrote:Well at least Rogue gets a free win vs HyuN TY could get troubles by his tricky playstyle
Free win against Hyun? ZvZ? hmm..
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On August 13 2015 20:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:34 lastride wrote:Well at least Rogue gets a free win vs HyuN TY could get troubles by his tricky playstyle Hyun 3-0d Dark recently, he can take Rogue too
wow really? I underestimated him then .. sc2 is really tricky nowadays
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Btw, what exactly happened in game three? All I saw were lings getting killed by hellions. I only caught the last 10 seconds sadly :/
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On August 13 2015 20:39 Seeker wrote:
Btw, what exactly happened in game three? All I saw were lings getting killed by hellions. I only caught the last 10 seconds sadly :/
Bane bust, lost too many lings vs hellions
early gg, but he was down on drones and did no scv damage
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Guys, do you think Wolf is having problems with his monitor? I am still unclear.
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On August 13 2015 20:38 lastride wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 13 2015 20:34 lastride wrote:Well at least Rogue gets a free win vs HyuN TY could get troubles by his tricky playstyle Hyun 3-0d Dark recently, he can take Rogue too wow really? I underestimated him then .. sc2 is really tricky nowadays
hyun is really good at zvz, i wouldnt ever count on him to beat a top top terran or protoss but in a bo3 zvz i think he can potentially beat anyone
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Ok time to make KT fans proud!
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is gyuri the host of ssl?
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On August 13 2015 20:38 lastride wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 13 2015 20:34 lastride wrote:Well at least Rogue gets a free win vs HyuN TY could get troubles by his tricky playstyle Hyun 3-0d Dark recently, he can take Rogue too wow really? I underestimated him then .. sc2 is really tricky nowadays
HyuN - one of like 5 people who understand ZvZ
He played like shit vs Classic, I hope he prepared the other 2 matchups
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On August 13 2015 20:42 sparklyresidue wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:39 Seeker wrote:
Btw, what exactly happened in game three? All I saw were lings getting killed by hellions. I only caught the last 10 seconds sadly :/ Bane bust, lost too many lings vs hellions early gg, but he was down on drones and did no scv damage
going to see a lot more of that as mech becomes the gold standard. not only because it's strong but because literally no one enjoys facing it without swarm hosts
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On August 13 2015 20:43 repomaniak wrote:
is gyuri the host of ssl?
Newp
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Gyuri..... ....i would sure like her hosting me....
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On August 13 2015 20:43 repomaniak wrote:
is gyuri the host of ssl?
No. The host for SSL is Lee HyunKyung
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On August 13 2015 20:46 x0x0 wrote:Gyuri..... ....i would sure like her hosting me....
thanks for this creepy post
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On August 13 2015 20:47 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:46 x0x0 wrote:Gyuri..... ....i would sure like her hosting me.... thanks for this creepy post
Seriously awful phrasing.
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Newp is to say, no she is not, I have no idea who that is, but it isn't Gyuri.
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This is so TY.....splitting his army just for the hell of it when a simple frontal attack would have sealed the deal.
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He should really get a few ghosts. But I doubt he will.
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Well he's getting some now. But too little too late. He should have borrowed Flash's build and timing.
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I just wanna mention how much I love the Proleague/SSL observer interface. After watching IEM and GSL, it's seriously the best.
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interesting, classic has 0 zealots
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Classic with the good old just do nothing instead of something useful.
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Here come the part where terran has no bank due to wasting resources on nukes while doing no damage.
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Toss late game seem legit.
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On August 13 2015 21:04 CruelZeratul wrote:
Classic with the good old just do nothing instead of something useful.
well he's still upgrading so the quality of his army increases while TY's stays the same
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On August 13 2015 21:05 royalroadweed wrote:
Here come the part where terran has no bank due to wasting resources on nukes while doing no damage.
Yup, even had 2 of his marines die due to the nukes heh.
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Really bad trade for Classic, he should only do that with a MSC in his army. Well, the fight rendered that not important at alll :D
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What's this now? Late game Toss is like 400,000+ and Late Game Terran is around 1 or 2 if I recall last count.
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tvp once again proving to be the worst matchup by far
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Protoss's golden armada. lol
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30 min game ends in 5 seconds. Great game design
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RIght when it seems like it could be cool, TvP reminds us it sucks
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On August 13 2015 21:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:
tvp once again proving to be the worst matchup by far
That was pretty entertaining for me though.
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Please Terrans, stop wasting money on nukes....
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TY you didn't need to fight you yet and get protossed...
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On August 13 2015 21:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:
tvp once again proving to be the worst matchup by far
lategame is disgusting, it made me stop playing T
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Toss late game is dumb as fuck. Classic got completely outmaneuvered and was forced to fight up a ramp after losing all his bases. It didn't even matter.
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And thats why Maru plays this mu like its mid game on crack
And thats why Flash pulls the boys at the first chance
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TY was playing so damn well, not sure what Terran should do late game TvP. Seems like he needed to get lucky with a nuke
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You mean the part where Classic kept on improving his army with upgrades and t3 units while TY stayed on t1 and t2 while wasting a lot of ressources on nukes?
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On August 13 2015 21:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:
tvp once again proving to be the worst matchup by far
nonsense, no way is that worse than tvz mech at the moment.
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the tears here are delicious.
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On August 13 2015 21:09 Jer99 wrote:
Please Terrans, stop wasting money on nukes....
nukes in lategame arent expensive
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If TY was able to at least EMP all the HT's, he may have had a chance to win. But still... Protossed.
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On August 13 2015 21:10 Nezgar wrote:
You mean the part where Classic kept on improving his army with upgrades and t3 units while TY stayed on t1 and t2 while wasting a lot of ressources on nukes?
There's nothing to transition to.
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On August 13 2015 21:10 lastride wrote:And thats why Maru plays this mu like its mid game on crack And thats why Flash pulls the boys at the first chance
That's why Maru always looks like his wrists are on the edge of exploding
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On August 13 2015 21:09 Seeker wrote:Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?★- Do not see this game no matter what (5) 36% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 14% ★★★- Good game (3) 21% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (3) 21% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 7% 14 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
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It is the dead sea in here with the amount of salt.
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On August 13 2015 21:10 royalroadweed wrote:
Toss late game is dumb as fuck. Classic got completely outmaneuvered and was forced to fight up a ramp after losing all his bases. It didn't even matter.
avoiding those fights is what the nukes are for
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On August 13 2015 21:12 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:09 Seeker wrote:Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?★- Do not see this game no matter what (5) 36% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 14% ★★★- Good game (3) 21% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (3) 21% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 7% 14 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
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On August 13 2015 21:10 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:09 Jer99 wrote:
Please Terrans, stop wasting money on nukes.... nukes in lategame arent expensive
Oh yes, I forgot they reduce in price over time
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On August 13 2015 21:10 royalroadweed wrote:
Toss late game is dumb as fuck. Classic got completely outmaneuvered and was forced to fight up a ramp after losing all his bases. It didn't even matter.
The only real way to to macro up as fast and as hard as possible and do a mid game timing basically. That's why lategame TvP is bullshit since it's a near impossible task for Terran barring a few lucky nuke shots.
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On August 13 2015 21:10 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:09 Jer99 wrote:
Please Terrans, stop wasting money on nukes.... nukes in lategame arent expensive
They are kinda when you have to invest in multiple ghost academies and seeing as they only do damage if you get lucky..
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On August 13 2015 21:10 royalroadweed wrote:
Toss late game is dumb as fuck. Classic got completely outmaneuvered and was forced to fight up a ramp after losing all his bases. It didn't even matter.
Not sure if he was outmaneuvered. In the end, it was costly for TY's army to kill those nexuses. And on his side, Classic also damaged TY economy while having good trades most of the game so his economy was not that worse than TY's and his army was really strong.
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On August 13 2015 21:12 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:12 Seeker wrote:On August 13 2015 21:09 Seeker wrote:Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?★- Do not see this game no matter what (5) 36% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2) 14% ★★★- Good game (3) 21% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (3) 21% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1) 7% 14 total votes Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
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These are not Seekers, I have no frame of reference for these stars.
It's not my OP
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On August 13 2015 21:11 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:10 Nezgar wrote:
You mean the part where Classic kept on improving his army with upgrades and t3 units while TY stayed on t1 and t2 while wasting a lot of ressources on nukes? There's nothing to transition to.
He transitioned to ghost viking.
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Salt exists because late game ZvT and TvP exist
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Protoss late game army is like mech army with mobility.
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On August 13 2015 21:11 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:10 Nezgar wrote:
You mean the part where Classic kept on improving his army with upgrades and t3 units while TY stayed on t1 and t2 while wasting a lot of ressources on nukes? There's nothing to transition to.
Transition into BCs and lose. TY had ghost Viking which is the endgame units you want, that and a few ravens
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On August 13 2015 20:47 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 20:46 x0x0 wrote:Gyuri..... ....i would sure like her hosting me.... thanks for this creepy post
Creepy?....How come?.......
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I think I know what the coach told TY after game 1.
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On August 13 2015 21:10 Tiaraju9 wrote:
the tears here are delicious.
yeah, its fun to laugh at others.
But being ahead all game and then getting destroyed in 2 seconds was always a problem in SC2, especially in TvP for the Terran.
So I understand the tears, this should have been changed with the first addon already, but somehow blizzard feels this kind of game is "fun".
Sorry, but TY did outplay classic the whole game on, its the superior army and this ONE engagement that not just brought classic back into the game but completely won it for him. If you think PvT lategame that way is fine, its ok, everyone has his/her opinion, but at least try to understand how it must feel for the other person, that is basically helpless in these scenarios.
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On August 13 2015 21:13 10bulgares wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:10 royalroadweed wrote:
Toss late game is dumb as fuck. Classic got completely outmaneuvered and was forced to fight up a ramp after losing all his bases. It didn't even matter. Not sure if he was outmaneuvered. In the end, it was costly for TY's army to kill those nexuses. And on his side, Classic also damaged TY economy while having good trades most of the game so his economy was not that worse than TY's and his army was really strong.
That do doesn't make sense. TY was maxed out even after killing two bases. He was ahead economically and maxed out. With hindsight he should've kept running
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On August 13 2015 21:16 Rollora wrote:yeah, its fun to laugh at others. But being ahead all game and then getting destroyed in 2 seconds was always a problem in SC2, especially in TvP for the Terran. So I understand the tears, this should have been changed with the first addon already, but somehow blizzard feels this kind of game is "fun". Sorry, but TY did outplay classic the whole game on, its the superior army and this ONE engagement that not just brought classic back into the game but completely won it for him. If you think PvT lategame that way is fine, its ok, everyone has his/her opinion, but at least try to understand how it must feel for the other person, that is basically helpless in these scenarios.
Well, the thing is, Terrans do really really well in the mid-game. It's just that if the game reaches lategame and the Terran does not have an advantage large enough, he pretty much loses. The matchup is balanced, but mostly because both races have different stages where they can take the win and the last stage happens to be one of protoss.
I'm pretty salty at the matchup tho, 35% tvp winrate @mid-high masters eu
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I think TY should expand more aggressive here. He has got him completely trapped in his base.
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On August 13 2015 21:16 Rollora wrote:yeah, its fun to laugh at others. But being ahead all game and then getting destroyed in 2 seconds was always a problem in SC2, especially in TvP for the Terran. So I understand the tears, this should have been changed with the first addon already, but somehow blizzard feels this kind of game is "fun". Sorry, but TY did outplay classic the whole game on, its the superior army and this ONE engagement that not just brought classic back into the game but completely won it for him. If you think PvT lategame that way is fine, its ok, everyone has his/her opinion, but at least try to understand how it must feel for the other person, that is basically helpless in these scenarios.
no, he didn't.
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On August 13 2015 21:18 Thrillz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:13 10bulgares wrote:On August 13 2015 21:10 royalroadweed wrote:
Toss late game is dumb as fuck. Classic got completely outmaneuvered and was forced to fight up a ramp after losing all his bases. It didn't even matter. Not sure if he was outmaneuvered. In the end, it was costly for TY's army to kill those nexuses. And on his side, Classic also damaged TY economy while having good trades most of the game so his economy was not that worse than TY's and his army was really strong. That do doesn't make sense. TY was maxed out even after killing two bases. He was ahead economically and maxed out. With hindsight he should've kept running
Classic was forced to run up a ramp and his zealots would bug out on the CC. The only better fight he could have gotten was if classic attacked into a PF.
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A bit frustrating as a terran player when Wolf and Moonglade talked about
G2 TY vs Rogue as:
"Rogue is up against a clock vs Battlecruisers, as soon as they hit the field he is dead"
But when a Terran player is trying to play late game vs Storm, Colossus, Tempest and the whole Protoss Deathball casters just point out "Terran player sucked here, they did this misstake there".
Instead I think they should point out that Protoss is way stronger in the late game, and give credit to Terrans who puts up a good fight. Like "Okay, he died that game but he put up a good fight considering it was 35 minutes into the game".
When Terran has the almost unbeatable deathball it is often a "balance" issue where Zerg impossible can win.
When Protoss has the same against Terran you just point out the mistakes of the T player when he dies.
Makes no sence :D
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Terran so op, can drop and shit, whine whine. Blizzard diss.
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On August 13 2015 21:23 CruelZeratul wrote:
Terran so op, can drop and shit, whine whine. Blizzard diss.
Right, and if Classic went stargate, a few phoenix would have scared TY into not even doing that.
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If TY advances first he has to play against Zest lol
So freaking unfair for KT
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Wow TY showing some mental fortitude these games...
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On August 13 2015 21:23 CruelZeratul wrote:
Terran so op, can drop and shit, whine whine. Blizzard diss.
no, it's definitely not ok to complain about all the advantages terran has, only the lategame Protoss ones. Jeez.
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That was awesome stuff by TY. Nice aggression~!
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On August 13 2015 21:24 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:23 CruelZeratul wrote:
Terran so op, can drop and shit, whine whine. Blizzard diss. no, it's definitely not ok to complain about all the advantages terran has, only the lategame Protoss ones. Jeez.
We only accept one-sided narratives here... Every Terran that wins is a god and every Protoss that wins is just on the back of the race being OP, "protossing" his way to victory.
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I'm looking for the vod of taeja massing orbitals and sacking his scvs.. anyone remembers the game? I think it was atlantis spaceship or sth
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On August 13 2015 21:27 Nezgar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:24 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2015 21:23 CruelZeratul wrote:
Terran so op, can drop and shit, whine whine. Blizzard diss. no, it's definitely not ok to complain about all the advantages terran has, only the lategame Protoss ones. Jeez. We only accept one-sided narratives here... Every Terran that wins is a god and every Protoss that wins is just on the back of the race being OP, "protossing" his way to victory.
Well there is a reason for this.
Terran is exciting to watch, protoss is not (for the most part).
It doesn't matter what is strong and what is not, if one gameplay option is entertaining to watch people will like it.
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Can everyone pls speak for themselves and not seek the extremes too quickly?
thanks
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On August 13 2015 21:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:27 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:24 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2015 21:23 CruelZeratul wrote:
Terran so op, can drop and shit, whine whine. Blizzard diss. no, it's definitely not ok to complain about all the advantages terran has, only the lategame Protoss ones. Jeez. We only accept one-sided narratives here... Every Terran that wins is a god and every Protoss that wins is just on the back of the race being OP, "protossing" his way to victory. Well there is a reason to this. Terran is exciting to watch, protoss is not (for the most part). It doesn't matter what is strong and what is not, if one gameplay option is entertaining to watch people will like it.
Terran is exciting to watch? What? Turtle mech games are so exciting!!!
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On August 13 2015 21:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:27 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:24 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2015 21:23 CruelZeratul wrote:
Terran so op, can drop and shit, whine whine. Blizzard diss. no, it's definitely not ok to complain about all the advantages terran has, only the lategame Protoss ones. Jeez. We only accept one-sided narratives here... Every Terran that wins is a god and every Protoss that wins is just on the back of the race being OP, "protossing" his way to victory. Well there is a reason for this. Terran is exciting to watch, protoss is not (for the most part). It doesn't matter what is strong and what is not, if one gameplay option is entertaining to watch people will like it.
i enjoy watching good protoss play
some people even like watching mech
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On August 13 2015 21:27 Nezgar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:24 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2015 21:23 CruelZeratul wrote:
Terran so op, can drop and shit, whine whine. Blizzard diss. no, it's definitely not ok to complain about all the advantages terran has, only the lategame Protoss ones. Jeez. We only accept one-sided narratives here... Every Terran that wins is a god and every Protoss that wins is just on the back of the race being OP, "protossing" his way to victory.
If TY drops into the worst position possible after being out maneuvered by Classic and still crushes his army, you are free to complain. You can't complain when you can't keep up with your opponents multitasking.
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On August 13 2015 21:31 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 21:27 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:24 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2015 21:23 CruelZeratul wrote:
Terran so op, can drop and shit, whine whine. Blizzard diss. no, it's definitely not ok to complain about all the advantages terran has, only the lategame Protoss ones. Jeez. We only accept one-sided narratives here... Every Terran that wins is a god and every Protoss that wins is just on the back of the race being OP, "protossing" his way to victory. Well there is a reason for this. Terran is exciting to watch, protoss is not (for the most part). It doesn't matter what is strong and what is not, if one gameplay option is entertaining to watch people will like it. i enjoy watching good protoss play some people even like watching mech
I mean obviously different people like different things.
But i think it is fair to say that most people don't enjoy toss gameplay (yes, toss has interesting styles too, sometimes)
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On August 13 2015 21:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:31 neptunusfisk wrote:On August 13 2015 21:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 21:27 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:24 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2015 21:23 CruelZeratul wrote:
Terran so op, can drop and shit, whine whine. Blizzard diss. no, it's definitely not ok to complain about all the advantages terran has, only the lategame Protoss ones. Jeez. We only accept one-sided narratives here... Every Terran that wins is a god and every Protoss that wins is just on the back of the race being OP, "protossing" his way to victory. Well there is a reason for this. Terran is exciting to watch, protoss is not (for the most part). It doesn't matter what is strong and what is not, if one gameplay option is entertaining to watch people will like it. i enjoy watching good protoss play some people even like watching mech I mean obviously there are different tastes out there. But i think ti is fair to say that most people don't enjoy toss gameplay (yes, toss has interesting styles too, sometimes)
this is some serious populist rethoric right there
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On August 13 2015 21:29 Penev wrote:
Can everyone pls speak for themselves and not seek the extremes too quickly?
thanks
I only speak in hyperbole.
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On August 13 2015 21:34 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:33 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 21:31 neptunusfisk wrote:On August 13 2015 21:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 21:27 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:24 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2015 21:23 CruelZeratul wrote:
Terran so op, can drop and shit, whine whine. Blizzard diss. no, it's definitely not ok to complain about all the advantages terran has, only the lategame Protoss ones. Jeez. We only accept one-sided narratives here... Every Terran that wins is a god and every Protoss that wins is just on the back of the race being OP, "protossing" his way to victory. Well there is a reason for this. Terran is exciting to watch, protoss is not (for the most part). It doesn't matter what is strong and what is not, if one gameplay option is entertaining to watch people will like it. i enjoy watching good protoss play some people even like watching mech I mean obviously there are different tastes out there. But i think ti is fair to say that most people don't enjoy toss gameplay (yes, toss has interesting styles too, sometimes) this is some serious populist rethoric right there
It's true though
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On August 13 2015 21:31 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 21:27 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:24 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2015 21:23 CruelZeratul wrote:
Terran so op, can drop and shit, whine whine. Blizzard diss. no, it's definitely not ok to complain about all the advantages terran has, only the lategame Protoss ones. Jeez. We only accept one-sided narratives here... Every Terran that wins is a god and every Protoss that wins is just on the back of the race being OP, "protossing" his way to victory. Well there is a reason to this. Terran is exciting to watch, protoss is not (for the most part). It doesn't matter what is strong and what is not, if one gameplay option is entertaining to watch people will like it. Terran is exciting to watch? What? Turtle mech games are so exciting!!!
Yeah because so many games end up being turtle mech. And lets not kid ourselves here, the turtle protoss Classic likes to play on Echo is not any better.
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On August 13 2015 21:35 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:31 deacon.frost wrote:On August 13 2015 21:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 21:27 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:24 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2015 21:23 CruelZeratul wrote:
Terran so op, can drop and shit, whine whine. Blizzard diss. no, it's definitely not ok to complain about all the advantages terran has, only the lategame Protoss ones. Jeez. We only accept one-sided narratives here... Every Terran that wins is a god and every Protoss that wins is just on the back of the race being OP, "protossing" his way to victory. Well there is a reason to this. Terran is exciting to watch, protoss is not (for the most part). It doesn't matter what is strong and what is not, if one gameplay option is entertaining to watch people will like it. Terran is exciting to watch? What? Turtle mech games are so exciting!!! Yeah because so many games end up being turtle mech. And lets not kid ourselves here, the turtle protoss Classic likes to play on Echo is not any better.
Why do you think he switched to Protoss from Terran after Thorzain beat him in SPL a few years back
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TY loves to sit on those storms though..
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On August 13 2015 21:35 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:31 deacon.frost wrote:On August 13 2015 21:29 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 21:27 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:24 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2015 21:23 CruelZeratul wrote:
Terran so op, can drop and shit, whine whine. Blizzard diss. no, it's definitely not ok to complain about all the advantages terran has, only the lategame Protoss ones. Jeez. We only accept one-sided narratives here... Every Terran that wins is a god and every Protoss that wins is just on the back of the race being OP, "protossing" his way to victory. Well there is a reason to this. Terran is exciting to watch, protoss is not (for the most part). It doesn't matter what is strong and what is not, if one gameplay option is entertaining to watch people will like it. Terran is exciting to watch? What? Turtle mech games are so exciting!!! Yeah because so many games end up being turtle mech. And lets not kid ourselves here, the turtle protoss Classic likes to play on Echo is not any better.
Well lately is turtle mech in TvZ starting to be new meta, so yeah, we're getting there.
Also it's not Protoss fault we cannot open with templars reliably anymore.
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TY is playing like a god.
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On August 13 2015 21:22 Jono7272 wrote:
TY picking him apart, nice
once again, but will he lose in the end again?
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it seems it's great day of starcraft
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already
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On August 13 2015 21:35 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:29 Penev wrote:
Can everyone pls speak for themselves and not seek the extremes too quickly?
thanks I only speak in hyperbole.
Artosis' TL nick confirmed.
You get a pass obviously
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Don't let Classic catch up. Go for the kill!
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Impressive TY. Very impressive. Can he seal the deal ?
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On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
it seems it's great day of starcraft
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already
This is NOT about balance.
This is about exciting gameplay
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On August 13 2015 21:40 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Impressive TY. Very impressive. Can he seal the deal ?
That's the million dollar question. I think he can, if he keeps hampering the economy like so and really pull classic apart as he keeps doing. Should just wittle him down to get the W. I think he can.
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2nd place in the bracket is way better for Classic
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Hahaha that WM, almost like a Storm on Idle Bio. Gotta hurt
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hahahaah classics templars dying to widow mines in a base that has an observer in it
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TY multitasking is so sick at times.
Looks like he might be able to close it out, although Classic does have a damn good army still
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On August 13 2015 21:41 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
it seems it's great day of starcraft
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already This is NOT about balance. This is about exciting gameplay
The game we are watching is pretty entertaining.
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On August 13 2015 21:38 Wildmoon wrote:
TY is playing like a god.
Classic playing like a mortal.
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Absolutely sick play by TY, such insane skill
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Crap... If TY wins this is bad for my LBs...
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wowowowowow TY I am amazed. Not choking!
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Lol not only can Wolf not really read what he seas in TvP all the time, he now starts confusing the players.
Is it because Dream and TY have a similar hairstyle?
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Amazing TY. Wow. The map helped, but wow.
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On August 13 2015 21:42 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:41 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
it seems it's great day of starcraft
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already This is NOT about balance. This is about exciting gameplay The game we are watching is pretty entertaining.
100% down to the terran, obviously
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Haha Classic with the panic push into death concave
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FUCK YEA TY!
Someone that isn't Zest in KT isn't crapping out.
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lol the screams in the room.
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Fuck yeah TY. Very well done!
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New terran hype train leaving the station!
all aboard!
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lol why is classic always fighting with half army? especially at the last big fight he needed the other half...
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terran strong race
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On August 13 2015 21:42 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:41 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
it seems it's great day of starcraft
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already This is NOT about balance. This is about exciting gameplay The game we are watching is pretty entertaining.
Now ask yourself why
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On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already
Pretty much my point...
When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god.
When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed"
Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community
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i won't lie : pretty damn impressive from TY
that's what you get when you train with zest i guess
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I don't worry for Classic ; herO got 1st, Dream got 3rd, Stats got 4th. Classic should logically get 2nd.
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On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community
zerg are the most vocal imo
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On August 13 2015 21:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:42 Wildmoon wrote:On August 13 2015 21:41 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
it seems it's great day of starcraft
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already This is NOT about balance. This is about exciting gameplay The game we are watching is pretty entertaining. Now ask yourself why
unit interactions..
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Very happy for TY, such a great player when on point
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On August 13 2015 21:42 Rollora wrote:
Lol not only can Wolf not really read what he seas in TvP all the time, he now starts confusing the players.
Is it because Dream and TY have a similar hairstyle?
Was it him who kept calling Moonglade life in that series vs dream?
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On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community
LOL, I'm kind of biased, but I think Zerg players as an independent party will all agree with the Terrans on this.
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On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community
probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms.
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Hello. As protoss, anyone has any idea how to deal with late gate terran random widow mine play?
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Hey, maybe TY can make it to Blizzcon.
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I think this is the most 2-1s overall in the group stage
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On August 13 2015 21:43 MorDka wrote:terran strong race
But you cannot win late game TvP!!!
Where is the one who posts the statistic over and over again? Where is he now?
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On August 13 2015 21:43 Dingodile wrote:
lol why is classic always fighting with half army? especially at the last big fight he needed the other half...
Because if he keeps all his army in 1 place TY will just drop all over the place. Hence the need to split up your army and risk fighting the whole Terran army with just your half... Which is exactly what happened on Coda and Vaani.
Blame Terran mobility or attribute it to TY being a god, idc at this point anymore
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On August 13 2015 21:44 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 21:42 Wildmoon wrote:On August 13 2015 21:41 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
it seems it's great day of starcraft
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already This is NOT about balance. This is about exciting gameplay The game we are watching is pretty entertaining. Now ask yourself why unit interactions..
I am sure it had nothing to do with TY multitasking all over the place.
It would have been just as amazing if it would have been a Flash scv pull!
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On August 13 2015 21:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:42 Wildmoon wrote:On August 13 2015 21:41 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
it seems it's great day of starcraft
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already This is NOT about balance. This is about exciting gameplay The game we are watching is pretty entertaining. Now ask yourself why
On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community
hehehehe
anyone dissing classic is stupid though, his play is usually jawdropping and intelligent, like innovations mecha game
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On August 13 2015 21:46 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:44 Wildmoon wrote:On August 13 2015 21:43 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 21:42 Wildmoon wrote:On August 13 2015 21:41 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
it seems it's great day of starcraft
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already This is NOT about balance. This is about exciting gameplay The game we are watching is pretty entertaining. Now ask yourself why unit interactions.. I am sure it had nothing to do with TY multitasking all over the place. It would have been just as amazing if it would have been a Flash scv pull!
If Protoss is not defending and forcing terran to do that then it won't be entertaining. The same thing as mech vs bio.
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On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms.
Exactly, big army engagements are boring. Protoss has no real multitaskign playstlye => most protoss wins are way less interesting by default
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On August 13 2015 21:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. Exactly, big army engagements are boring. Protoss has no real multitaskign playstlye => most protoss wins are way less interesting by default
Lol
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On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community
Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining.
"OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs"
For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone.
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On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms.
And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support?
Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills.
But Terran fans don't understand that last bit.
Terran drops = god
Protoss doesn't drop = protossed
It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him.
anyone dissing classic is stupid though, his play is usually jawdropping and intelligent, like innovations mecha game
Highlighted the important part. Protoss has, at least in my opinion, a much higher focus on strategy and tactics which is not as obvious to the average viewer than multi-tasking or splits. It's a shame that day9 is gone, he was fairly good at explaining exactly WHY a Protoss like Classic is so impressive.
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On August 13 2015 21:46 Nezgar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:43 Dingodile wrote:
lol why is classic always fighting with half army? especially at the last big fight he needed the other half... Because if he keeps all his army in 1 place TY will just drop all over the place. Hence the need to split up your army and risk fighting the whole Terran army with just your half... Which is exactly what happened on Coda and Vaani. Blame Terran mobility or attribute it to TY being a god, idc at this point anymore
it was pretty clear (even for classic) that he should go for "all-in", also attack the enemy and forget everything else. He did that without other half army...
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Finally, the fightback against Terran starts here
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On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him.
I don't think people are saying that it's the fault of the player.
But it surely is the fault of sc2 and its design choices.
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On August 13 2015 21:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. Exactly, big army engagements are boring. Protoss has no real multitaskign playstlye => most protoss wins are way less interesting by default
Please get out of goldleague meta before balance whining, protoss obviously has multitasking playstyles, it is the map awareness and army splitting that allows protoss to greed so much and still defend and counterharass
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On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him.
I feel like terran fans are bein unfair here. There are a lot of multitask in defending all those crazy drops and protoss themselves do multipronged atttacks in PvZ and to less extent PvT too
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On August 13 2015 21:51 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. Exactly, big army engagements are boring. Protoss has no real multitaskign playstlye => most protoss wins are way less interesting by default Please get out of goldleague meta before balance whining, protoss obviously has multitasking playstyles, it is the map awareness and army splitting that allows protoss to greed so much and still defend and counterharass
I guess i forgot to add "aggressive". Ofc they have to multitask to defend drops etc
For example: pressing f on the mothership core (sry i had to)
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Classic played well. But TY played even better.
Classic had a better chance turtling on Echo. Vaani is just a nightmare against TY's multi-prong attacking style - not sure what Classic could've done there.
As much as Protoss death-balls are boring to watch, so are endless speedvac drops on sprawling maps. Both are equally hard to defend against, and usually end up in one-sided bops.
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It was sad that the mines nerfed the heaviest and most interesting PvT multitask style out of the game, the templar/zealot play
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On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him.
Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains
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Alright guys... Let's keep it civil now. Things are getting a little too heated right now.
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On August 13 2015 21:55 Heartland wrote:
It was sad that the mines nerfed the heaviest and most interesting PvT multitask style out of the game, the templar/zealot play
yeah! i hate it when styles (especially interesting ones) get taken out the game somehow.
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Fuck it I'm getting non-stop ads, what is that stupid shit ?????
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On August 13 2015 21:55 Heartland wrote:
It was sad that the mines nerfed the heaviest and most interesting PvT multitask style out of the game, the templar/zealot play
YES exactly! I've had so much fun playing with and against the templar/zealot/immortal style
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On August 13 2015 21:45 Bojas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community LOL, I'm kind of biased, but I think Zerg players as an independent party will all agree with the Terrans on this.
"the most vocal part" is such a biased statement, since the "most vocal" part changes every couple of months. Before the infamous queen buff some years ago, Zerg where the most vocal part, until we only saw BL Winfestor into Win scenarios in every game besides ZvZ.
2014, almost all major/permier tournaments were won by Protosses and Taeja, in the beginning there was a lot of whining by the terrans, during mid 2014, almost noone complained anymore about TvP lategame, it was just how it was, Protoss winning.
Back then the Zerg and Protoss screams were getting louder again, because of WM... so this changes over and over again, but "protossed" as a name for being ahead all game and losing it in 2 secs is something that didn't disappear over 5 years now, although it should, because that is just anticlimatic for the viewers - i don't mind that, because terran have the strongest midgame, that toss could come back in lategame, but I would prefer the fights to take a little longer and aren't over in 1-2 secs because of the composition (combination of chargelots, storms and colossi or whatever the chosen composition is) vs fragile bio units.
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anyways TY vs Zest, Zest PLZ bop TY!!!!!!
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On August 13 2015 21:57 Heartland wrote:
where is olli during this discussion?!
He was watching from the airport earlier, so he is probably in the plane by now
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The fuck, TY got out of the group in first place?
Watched his games vs Rogue but how did he beat Classic? Can someone summarize please?
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On August 13 2015 21:48 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining. "OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs" For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone.
Terran has won 29 premier tournaments in HOTS. Protoss has won 31 in HOTS.
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On August 13 2015 22:00 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:57 Heartland wrote:
where is olli during this discussion?! He was watching from the airport earlier, so he is probably in the plane by now
aww
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On August 13 2015 22:00 BlackCompany wrote:
The fuck, TY got out of the group in first place?
Watched his games vs Rogue but how did he beat Classic? Can someone summarize please?
Dropped Classic to death.
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On August 13 2015 21:57 Seeker wrote:
Alright guys... Let's keep it civil now. Things are getting a little too heated right now.
I tried but both speaking for entire groups of people and going full polirazed still occured
sigh
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On August 13 2015 22:00 BlackCompany wrote:
The fuck, TY got out of the group in first place?
Watched his games vs Rogue but how did he beat Classic? Can someone summarize please?
Multi-tasking mainly. Strong use of drops to pull apart Classic basically in the last 2 games. First game he got demolished in late game due to Classic having a much more powerful army.
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So many angry protoss fans :O
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On August 13 2015 22:00 BlackCompany wrote:
The fuck, TY got out of the group in first place?
Watched his games vs Rogue but how did he beat Classic? Can someone summarize please?
He played his boring drop everywhere style and won because classic threw the games
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On August 13 2015 22:02 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:00 BlackCompany wrote:
The fuck, TY got out of the group in first place?
Watched his games vs Rogue but how did he beat Classic? Can someone summarize please?
He played his boring drop everywhere style and won because classic threw the games
Otherwise known as completely outplaying Classic (even in the game he lost).
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On August 13 2015 22:01 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:57 Seeker wrote:
Alright guys... Let's keep it civil now. Things are getting a little too heated right now. I tried but both speaking for entire groups of people and going full polirazed still occured sigh
Certainly some of us are just feeling naughty and poking the bees nest
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On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him. Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains
"they are so ignorant, lets ignore them"
you just held a mirror in front of yourself.
Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win.
Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent.
Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell,
Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition.
However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc)
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Thanks for the replies, guys. Looks like the the race-war is strong in this LR. Glad to see TY got through, will definetly try to catch the vods later
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On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him. Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains "they are so ignorant, lets ignore them" you just held a mirror in front of yourself. Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win. Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent. Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell, Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition. However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc)
It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch.
This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race.
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On August 13 2015 22:01 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:48 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining. "OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs" For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone. Terran has won 29 premier tournaments in HOTS. Protoss has won 31 in HOTS.
He wrote in SC2. So only quoting HotS tournaments to prove him wrong doesn't work. I don't though the complete numbers though.
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I honestly think a lot of sc2 fans just regurgitate what they read in LRs, on twitter, in previews and above all by casters. People always repeat things that aren't applicable to the games at hand just because a specific player or race is playing.
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On August 13 2015 22:03 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:01 Penev wrote:On August 13 2015 21:57 Seeker wrote:
Alright guys... Let's keep it civil now. Things are getting a little too heated right now. I tried but both speaking for entire groups of people and going full polirazed still occured sigh Certainly some of us are just feeling naughty and poking the bees nest
Of course, of course. Too little humor overall though imo
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On August 13 2015 22:01 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 21:48 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining. "OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs" For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone. Terran has won 29 premier tournaments in HOTS. Protoss has won 31 in HOTS.
what about in WOL?
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I don't want to see HyuN vs Classic again. I'm not sure Rogue or HyuN really have a chance but I want to see what Rogue will bring to bear.
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On August 13 2015 22:06 CruelZeratul wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:01 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 21:48 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining. "OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs" For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone. Terran has won 29 premier tournaments in HOTS. Protoss has won 31 in HOTS. He wrote in SC2. So only quoting HotS tournaments to prove him wrong doesn't work. I don't though the complete numbers though.
I know. Thats why I specified HOTS. We're playing HOTS. The argument started about a HOTS game. Bringing up WOL, which is practically a different game, is dumb as fuck. Might as well bring up Brood War stats too.
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On August 13 2015 22:08 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:01 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 21:48 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining. "OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs" For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone. Terran has won 29 premier tournaments in HOTS. Protoss has won 31 in HOTS. what about in WOL?
Irrelevant.
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On August 13 2015 22:06 CruelZeratul wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:01 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 21:48 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining. "OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs" For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone. Terran has won 29 premier tournaments in HOTS. Protoss has won 31 in HOTS. He wrote in SC2. So only quoting HotS tournaments to prove him wrong doesn't work. I don't though the complete numbers though.
THANK YOU!!!!! Someone was trying to be smart
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I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool.
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On August 13 2015 22:10 neptunusfisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool.
Yeah - cool graphs to see! Pretty consistent!
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On August 13 2015 22:10 neptunusfisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool.
Interesting chart. I didn't realize Terran was that poorly represented in early 2014, I knew it was bad, but not that bad.
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On August 13 2015 22:09 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:08 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 22:01 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 21:48 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining. "OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs" For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone. Terran has won 29 premier tournaments in HOTS. Protoss has won 31 in HOTS. what about in WOL? Irrelevant.
HA! nice try, but you're mistaken.... from what I said in my post, it is VERY relevant
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On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him. Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains "they are so ignorant, lets ignore them" you just held a mirror in front of yourself. Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win. Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent. Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell, Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition. However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc) It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch. This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race.
well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then.
So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion.
Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D
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On August 13 2015 22:12 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:09 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:08 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 22:01 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 21:48 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining. "OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs" For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone. Terran has won 29 premier tournaments in HOTS. Protoss has won 31 in HOTS. what about in WOL? Irrelevant. HA! nice try, but you're mistaken.... from what I said in my post, it is VERY relevant
I've already responded to you. Discussing a different game where the races are played differently, in different metas, 3 years ago is dumb as fuck. You might as well complain about terrans wining in Brood War.
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On August 13 2015 22:12 yoshi245 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:10 neptunusfisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool. Interesting chart. I didn't realize Terran was that poorly represented in early 2014, I knew it was bad, but not that bad.
You already forgot GSL RO 32 where there were like 3 Terrans ? :D
Recently I looked up the premier Tourney wins of 2014, which is basically all Toss besides Taeja and 1x Flash.
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On August 13 2015 22:15 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:12 yoshi245 wrote:On August 13 2015 22:10 neptunusfisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool. Interesting chart. I didn't realize Terran was that poorly represented in early 2014, I knew it was bad, but not that bad. You already forgot GSL RO 32 where there were like 3 Terrans ? :D Recently I looked up the premier Tourney wins of 2014, which is basically all Toss besides Taeja and 1x Flash.
I thought that was later on in the year of that infamous GSL Code S Ro32. But yeah, even though Life basically won the biggest even in 2014, Protoss ruled with an iron fist last year.
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On August 13 2015 22:12 yoshi245 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:10 neptunusfisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool. Interesting chart. I didn't realize Terran was that poorly represented in early 2014, I knew it was bad, but not that bad.
Thank you, it took me many hours of liquipedia to make it.
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On August 13 2015 22:15 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:12 yoshi245 wrote:On August 13 2015 22:10 neptunusfisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool. Interesting chart. I didn't realize Terran was that poorly represented in early 2014, I knew it was bad, but not that bad. You already forgot GSL RO 32 where there were like 3 Terrans ? :D Recently I looked up the premier Tourney wins of 2014, which is basically all Toss besides Taeja and 1x Flash.
Polt won a Rebull, I think. And Bomber won the final season of WCS AM.
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Nice move from Hyun allowing a 1:1 to make it exciting instead of just winning.
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Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
Why can't we all just be friends and get along? LET'S ALL GO TO BASKIN ROBINS! On me.
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Hey guys, let's stop bickering about Terran. We're watching a ZvZ and ZvP now.
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On August 13 2015 22:15 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:12 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 22:09 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:08 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 22:01 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 21:48 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining. "OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs" For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone. Terran has won 29 premier tournaments in HOTS. Protoss has won 31 in HOTS. what about in WOL? Irrelevant. HA! nice try, but you're mistaken.... from what I said in my post, it is VERY relevant I've already responded to you. Discussing a different game where the races are played differently, in different metas, 3 years ago is dumb as fuck. You might as well complain about terrans wining in Brood War.
You missed my point, I'm talking about how terrans are complaining and always whining despite winning most tournaments.
hence "Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2"
I was not discussinng any gameplay at all LOL.
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On August 13 2015 22:17 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:15 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:12 yoshi245 wrote:On August 13 2015 22:10 neptunusfisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool. Interesting chart. I didn't realize Terran was that poorly represented in early 2014, I knew it was bad, but not that bad. You already forgot GSL RO 32 where there were like 3 Terrans ? :D Recently I looked up the premier Tourney wins of 2014, which is basically all Toss besides Taeja and 1x Flash. Polt won a Rebull, I think. And Bomber won the final season of WCS AM.
Zerg lost the majority of the finals in 2014
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I love Hyun but i don´t think he can beat Classic so GO ROGUE
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On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him. Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains "they are so ignorant, lets ignore them" you just held a mirror in front of yourself. Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win. Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent. Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell, Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition. However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc) It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch. This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race. well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then. So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion. Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D
Nah i agree with you and i also think this is true for a lot of people. I was just saying that i don't think this is much about balance ("huh protoss so ez!!" this isn't true), it's more about the general race design ("huh protoss is boring to watch")
Lots of action is what sc2 should be about. It would be even ok if one race turtles a little bit more, WHEN the actual engagements would be exciting to watch AND there still would be harass potential for both sides.
So yeah, matches which include protoss are simply less interesting on average (i think this is true, would be interesting to look at the TL top games of the year and look how many terran/zerg/protoss games are in there)
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On August 13 2015 22:20 RaFox17 wrote:I love Hyun but i don´t think he can beat Classic so GO ROGUE
Yep, rooting for Sexy Boy zerg to advance 2nd.
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Hmm, I think Rogue could have killed quite a few workers at the gold from behind the mineral line if he was careful about it.
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On August 13 2015 22:18 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:15 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:12 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 22:09 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:08 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 22:01 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 21:48 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining. "OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs" For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone. Terran has won 29 premier tournaments in HOTS. Protoss has won 31 in HOTS. what about in WOL? Irrelevant. HA! nice try, but you're mistaken.... from what I said in my post, it is VERY relevant I've already responded to you. Discussing a different game where the races are played differently, in different metas, 3 years ago is dumb as fuck. You might as well complain about terrans wining in Brood War. You missed my point, I'm talking about how terrans are complaining and always whining despite winning most tournaments. hence "Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2" I was not disgusting any gameplay at all LOL.
And I'm saying Terrans were whining about how Classic won game 1 in HOTs in 2015.
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On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him. Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains "they are so ignorant, lets ignore them" you just held a mirror in front of yourself. Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win. Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent. Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell, Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition. However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc) It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch. This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race. well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then. So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion. Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D
Every pro will tell you this: defending multi pronged attacks is more difficult than executing them.
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On August 13 2015 22:17 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:12 yoshi245 wrote:On August 13 2015 22:10 neptunusfisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool. Interesting chart. I didn't realize Terran was that poorly represented in early 2014, I knew it was bad, but not that bad. Thank you, it took me many hours of liquipedia to make it.
I didn't realize it was your chart, thought you took it from somewhere.
Great work!
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On August 13 2015 22:17 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:15 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:12 yoshi245 wrote:On August 13 2015 22:10 neptunusfisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool. Interesting chart. I didn't realize Terran was that poorly represented in early 2014, I knew it was bad, but not that bad. You already forgot GSL RO 32 where there were like 3 Terrans ? :D Recently I looked up the premier Tourney wins of 2014, which is basically all Toss besides Taeja and 1x Flash. Polt won a Rebull, I think. And Bomber won the final season of WCS AM.
I assume you mean EARLY 2014, because terrans won plenty of premier tournaments in 2014. The only race that really suffered through the whole of 2014 in terms of tournament wins was zerg.
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On August 13 2015 22:22 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:17 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:15 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:12 yoshi245 wrote:On August 13 2015 22:10 neptunusfisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool. Interesting chart. I didn't realize Terran was that poorly represented in early 2014, I knew it was bad, but not that bad. You already forgot GSL RO 32 where there were like 3 Terrans ? :D Recently I looked up the premier Tourney wins of 2014, which is basically all Toss besides Taeja and 1x Flash. Polt won a Rebull, I think. And Bomber won the final season of WCS AM. I assume you mean EARLY 2014, because terrans won plenty of premier tournaments in 2014. The only race that really suffered through the whole of 2014 in terms of tournament wins was zerg.
Doesn't help that soO is a Kong
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On August 13 2015 22:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him. Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains "they are so ignorant, lets ignore them" you just held a mirror in front of yourself. Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win. Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent. Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell, Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition. However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc) It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch. This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race. well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then. So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion. Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D Nah i agree with you and i also think this is true for a lot of people. I was just saying that i don't think this is much about balance ("huh protoss so ez!!" this isn't true), it's more about the general race design ("huh protoss is boring to watch") Lots of action is what sc2 should be about. It would be even ok if one race turtles a little bit more, WHEN the actual engagements would be exciting to watch AND there still would be harass potential for both sides. So yeah, matches which include protoss are simply less interesting on average (i think this is true, would be interesting to look at the TL top games of the year and look how many terran/zerg/protoss games are in there)
I think it's just a matter of identification. If you play a race you identify with it and you also tend to see the difficulties in it or the way builds are executed or whatever. If you don't play P then it will be harder for you to be engaged with P play.
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HyuN is taking pretty bad engagements, half of his corrupters weren't even firing there.
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On August 13 2015 22:25 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him. Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains "they are so ignorant, lets ignore them" you just held a mirror in front of yourself. Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win. Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent. Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell, Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition. However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc) It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch. This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race. well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then. So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion. Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D Nah i agree with you and i also think this is true for a lot of people. I was just saying that i don't think this is much about balance ("huh protoss so ez!!" this isn't true), it's more about the general race design ("huh protoss is boring to watch") Lots of action is what sc2 should be about. It would be even ok if one race turtles a little bit more, WHEN the actual engagements would be exciting to watch AND there still would be harass potential for both sides. So yeah, matches which include protoss are simply less interesting on average (i think this is true, would be interesting to look at the TL top games of the year and look how many terran/zerg/protoss games are in there) I think it's just a matter of identification. If you play a race you identify with it and you also tend to see the difficulties in it or the way builds are executed or whatever. If you don't play P then it will be harder for you to be engaged with P play.
I picked Protoss (in 2010) because I like lasers.
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On August 13 2015 22:21 CruelZeratul wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him. Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains "they are so ignorant, lets ignore them" you just held a mirror in front of yourself. Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win. Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent. Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell, Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition. However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc) It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch. This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race. well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then. So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion. Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D Every pro will tell you this: defending multi pronged attacks is more difficult than executing them.
Not sure about that, but I take your opinion under consideration.
When I played Terran, avoiding being spotted, dropping, doing damage, pull out again without losing much was harder then defending on 2 fronts, but that is maybe because I started the game learning to play a greedy macro style with 3-4 army control groups and did just that until I finally had it in my blood. I was in gold league back than, getting cheesed by 30 APM Protosses while I had my 120 micro/macro APM. Once I really started to figure out the game itself and because I already had the mechanics I quickly jumped over to diamond.
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Hoping for a Classic vs. HyuN rematch
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On August 13 2015 22:23 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:22 phagga wrote:On August 13 2015 22:17 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:15 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:12 yoshi245 wrote:On August 13 2015 22:10 neptunusfisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool. Interesting chart. I didn't realize Terran was that poorly represented in early 2014, I knew it was bad, but not that bad. You already forgot GSL RO 32 where there were like 3 Terrans ? :D Recently I looked up the premier Tourney wins of 2014, which is basically all Toss besides Taeja and 1x Flash. Polt won a Rebull, I think. And Bomber won the final season of WCS AM. I assume you mean EARLY 2014, because terrans won plenty of premier tournaments in 2014. The only race that really suffered through the whole of 2014 in terms of tournament wins was zerg. Doesn't help that soO is a Kong
People always bring this up. And it hurts me every time.
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On August 13 2015 22:25 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:25 Heartland wrote:On August 13 2015 22:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:
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Pretty much my point...
When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god.
When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed"
Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him. Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains "they are so ignorant, lets ignore them" you just held a mirror in front of yourself. Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win. Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent. Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell, Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition. However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc) It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch. This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race. well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then. So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion. Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D Nah i agree with you and i also think this is true for a lot of people. I was just saying that i don't think this is much about balance ("huh protoss so ez!!" this isn't true), it's more about the general race design ("huh protoss is boring to watch") Lots of action is what sc2 should be about. It would be even ok if one race turtles a little bit more, WHEN the actual engagements would be exciting to watch AND there still would be harass potential for both sides. So yeah, matches which include protoss are simply less interesting on average (i think this is true, would be interesting to look at the TL top games of the year and look how many terran/zerg/protoss games are in there) I think it's just a matter of identification. If you play a race you identify with it and you also tend to see the difficulties in it or the way builds are executed or whatever. If you don't play P then it will be harder for you to be engaged with P play. I picked Protoss (in 2010) because I like lasers.
I have to respect that.
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On August 13 2015 22:23 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:22 phagga wrote:On August 13 2015 22:17 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:15 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:12 yoshi245 wrote:On August 13 2015 22:10 neptunusfisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool. Interesting chart. I didn't realize Terran was that poorly represented in early 2014, I knew it was bad, but not that bad. You already forgot GSL RO 32 where there were like 3 Terrans ? :D Recently I looked up the premier Tourney wins of 2014, which is basically all Toss besides Taeja and 1x Flash. Polt won a Rebull, I think. And Bomber won the final season of WCS AM. I assume you mean EARLY 2014, because terrans won plenty of premier tournaments in 2014. The only race that really suffered through the whole of 2014 in terms of tournament wins was zerg. Doesn't help that soO is a Kong
Well, even in runner-up spots zerg is far behind protoss and terran in 2014.
Edit, only 9 runner-up spots, and 4 of those belong to soo...
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On August 13 2015 22:25 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:25 Heartland wrote:On August 13 2015 22:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:
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Pretty much my point...
When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god.
When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed"
Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him. Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains "they are so ignorant, lets ignore them" you just held a mirror in front of yourself. Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win. Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent. Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell, Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition. However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc) It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch. This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race. well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then. So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion. Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D Nah i agree with you and i also think this is true for a lot of people. I was just saying that i don't think this is much about balance ("huh protoss so ez!!" this isn't true), it's more about the general race design ("huh protoss is boring to watch") Lots of action is what sc2 should be about. It would be even ok if one race turtles a little bit more, WHEN the actual engagements would be exciting to watch AND there still would be harass potential for both sides. So yeah, matches which include protoss are simply less interesting on average (i think this is true, would be interesting to look at the TL top games of the year and look how many terran/zerg/protoss games are in there) I think it's just a matter of identification. If you play a race you identify with it and you also tend to see the difficulties in it or the way builds are executed or whatever. If you don't play P then it will be harder for you to be engaged with P play. I picked Protoss (in 2010) because I like lasers.
You're like a bug, attracted to the bright light
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On August 13 2015 22:25 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:25 Heartland wrote:On August 13 2015 22:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:
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Pretty much my point...
When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god.
When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed"
Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him. Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains "they are so ignorant, lets ignore them" you just held a mirror in front of yourself. Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win. Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent. Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell, Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition. However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc) It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch. This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race. well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then. So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion. Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D Nah i agree with you and i also think this is true for a lot of people. I was just saying that i don't think this is much about balance ("huh protoss so ez!!" this isn't true), it's more about the general race design ("huh protoss is boring to watch") Lots of action is what sc2 should be about. It would be even ok if one race turtles a little bit more, WHEN the actual engagements would be exciting to watch AND there still would be harass potential for both sides. So yeah, matches which include protoss are simply less interesting on average (i think this is true, would be interesting to look at the TL top games of the year and look how many terran/zerg/protoss games are in there) I think it's just a matter of identification. If you play a race you identify with it and you also tend to see the difficulties in it or the way builds are executed or whatever. If you don't play P then it will be harder for you to be engaged with P play. I picked Protoss (in 2010) because I like lasers.
Lasers are sweet. Why'd you change? I just got bored of 4-gating every game.
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On August 13 2015 22:26 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:23 Durnuu wrote:On August 13 2015 22:22 phagga wrote:On August 13 2015 22:17 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:15 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:12 yoshi245 wrote:On August 13 2015 22:10 neptunusfisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool. Interesting chart. I didn't realize Terran was that poorly represented in early 2014, I knew it was bad, but not that bad. You already forgot GSL RO 32 where there were like 3 Terrans ? :D Recently I looked up the premier Tourney wins of 2014, which is basically all Toss besides Taeja and 1x Flash. Polt won a Rebull, I think. And Bomber won the final season of WCS AM. I assume you mean EARLY 2014, because terrans won plenty of premier tournaments in 2014. The only race that really suffered through the whole of 2014 in terms of tournament wins was zerg. Doesn't help that soO is a Kong Well, even in runner-up spots zerg is far behind protoss and terran in 2014.
True, especially after the Swarm Host nerf.
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The_Terran_Fanboy really should consider that protoss plays the way they do because terrans whined so much that they buffed widow mines and killed zealot archon warp prism, aka the coolest thing ever
On August 13 2015 22:21 CruelZeratul wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him. Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains "they are so ignorant, lets ignore them" you just held a mirror in front of yourself. Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win. Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent. Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell, Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition. However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc) It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch. This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race. well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then. So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion. Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D Every pro will tell you this: defending multi pronged attacks is more difficult than executing them.
Yes, totally agree, attacking is generally easier. you don't need to worry about protecting your base, your simcity, pulling workers and so on and not invest your apm in extra scouting and map awareness when you already see everything
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I like how they cut to TY entertaining fangrills instead of watching the game.
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On August 13 2015 22:27 yoshi245 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:26 phagga wrote:On August 13 2015 22:23 Durnuu wrote:On August 13 2015 22:22 phagga wrote:On August 13 2015 22:17 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:15 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:12 yoshi245 wrote:On August 13 2015 22:10 neptunusfisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool. Interesting chart. I didn't realize Terran was that poorly represented in early 2014, I knew it was bad, but not that bad. You already forgot GSL RO 32 where there were like 3 Terrans ? :D Recently I looked up the premier Tourney wins of 2014, which is basically all Toss besides Taeja and 1x Flash. Polt won a Rebull, I think. And Bomber won the final season of WCS AM. I assume you mean EARLY 2014, because terrans won plenty of premier tournaments in 2014. The only race that really suffered through the whole of 2014 in terms of tournament wins was zerg. Doesn't help that soO is a Kong Well, even in runner-up spots zerg is far behind protoss and terran in 2014. True, especially after the Swarm Host nerf.
Wasn't the SH nerf in 2015?
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On August 13 2015 22:26 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:25 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 Heartland wrote:On August 13 2015 22:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:
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probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him. Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains "they are so ignorant, lets ignore them" you just held a mirror in front of yourself. Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win. Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent. Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell, Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition. However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc) It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch. This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race. well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then. So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion. Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D Nah i agree with you and i also think this is true for a lot of people. I was just saying that i don't think this is much about balance ("huh protoss so ez!!" this isn't true), it's more about the general race design ("huh protoss is boring to watch") Lots of action is what sc2 should be about. It would be even ok if one race turtles a little bit more, WHEN the actual engagements would be exciting to watch AND there still would be harass potential for both sides. So yeah, matches which include protoss are simply less interesting on average (i think this is true, would be interesting to look at the TL top games of the year and look how many terran/zerg/protoss games are in there) I think it's just a matter of identification. If you play a race you identify with it and you also tend to see the difficulties in it or the way builds are executed or whatever. If you don't play P then it will be harder for you to be engaged with P play. I picked Protoss (in 2010) because I like lasers. Lasers are sweet. Why'd you change? I just got bored of 4-gating every game.
I was a random player in BW and I eventually switched back because Terran and Zerg were becoming very appealing too.
Also I don't know how to 4gate properly.
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Bisu fangirls are the most hardcore
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On August 13 2015 22:21 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:18 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 22:15 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:12 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 22:09 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:08 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 22:01 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 21:48 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:39 neptunusfisk wrote:
but also a great day of balance whine
it's like, where have you been the last five years, protoss lategame has always been strong and terran has always tried to multitask in midgame
get over it already Pretty much my point... When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god. When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed" Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining. "OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs" For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone. Terran has won 29 premier tournaments in HOTS. Protoss has won 31 in HOTS. what about in WOL? Irrelevant. HA! nice try, but you're mistaken.... from what I said in my post, it is VERY relevant I've already responded to you. Discussing a different game where the races are played differently, in different metas, 3 years ago is dumb as fuck. You might as well complain about terrans wining in Brood War. You missed my point, I'm talking about how terrans are complaining and always whining despite winning most tournaments. hence "Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2" I was not disgusting any gameplay at all LOL. And I'm saying Terrans were whining about how Classic won game 1 in HOTs in 2015.
Well, you missed the point of MY ORIGINAL POST (which was before yours), I don't actually care what your point is lol, and you can say you don't care about mine. You were the one responding to my post, so you can't really say that either.
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On August 13 2015 22:28 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:27 yoshi245 wrote:On August 13 2015 22:26 phagga wrote:On August 13 2015 22:23 Durnuu wrote:On August 13 2015 22:22 phagga wrote:On August 13 2015 22:17 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:15 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:12 yoshi245 wrote:On August 13 2015 22:10 neptunusfisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool. Interesting chart. I didn't realize Terran was that poorly represented in early 2014, I knew it was bad, but not that bad. You already forgot GSL RO 32 where there were like 3 Terrans ? :D Recently I looked up the premier Tourney wins of 2014, which is basically all Toss besides Taeja and 1x Flash. Polt won a Rebull, I think. And Bomber won the final season of WCS AM. I assume you mean EARLY 2014, because terrans won plenty of premier tournaments in 2014. The only race that really suffered through the whole of 2014 in terms of tournament wins was zerg. Doesn't help that soO is a Kong Well, even in runner-up spots zerg is far behind protoss and terran in 2014. True, especially after the Swarm Host nerf. Wasn't the SH nerf in 2015?
Forgot the exact time it happened, but should be 2015. Though I sorta meant in general to how it is now and didn't really realize he said 2014.
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On August 13 2015 22:29 yoshi245 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:28 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:27 yoshi245 wrote:On August 13 2015 22:26 phagga wrote:On August 13 2015 22:23 Durnuu wrote:On August 13 2015 22:22 phagga wrote:On August 13 2015 22:17 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:15 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:12 yoshi245 wrote:On August 13 2015 22:10 neptunusfisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool. Interesting chart. I didn't realize Terran was that poorly represented in early 2014, I knew it was bad, but not that bad. You already forgot GSL RO 32 where there were like 3 Terrans ? :D Recently I looked up the premier Tourney wins of 2014, which is basically all Toss besides Taeja and 1x Flash. Polt won a Rebull, I think. And Bomber won the final season of WCS AM. I assume you mean EARLY 2014, because terrans won plenty of premier tournaments in 2014. The only race that really suffered through the whole of 2014 in terms of tournament wins was zerg. Doesn't help that soO is a Kong Well, even in runner-up spots zerg is far behind protoss and terran in 2014. True, especially after the Swarm Host nerf. Wasn't the SH nerf in 2015? Forgot the exact time it happened, but should be 2015. Though I sorta meant in general to how it is now and didn't really realize he said 2014.
One week before kespa cup 1 or so
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On August 13 2015 22:28 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:26 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 Heartland wrote:On August 13 2015 22:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:
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And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support?
Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills.
But Terran fans don't understand that last bit.
Terran drops = god
Protoss doesn't drop = protossed
It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him.
Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains "they are so ignorant, lets ignore them" you just held a mirror in front of yourself. Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win. Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent. Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell, Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition. However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc) It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch. This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race. well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then. So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion. Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D Nah i agree with you and i also think this is true for a lot of people. I was just saying that i don't think this is much about balance ("huh protoss so ez!!" this isn't true), it's more about the general race design ("huh protoss is boring to watch") Lots of action is what sc2 should be about. It would be even ok if one race turtles a little bit more, WHEN the actual engagements would be exciting to watch AND there still would be harass potential for both sides. So yeah, matches which include protoss are simply less interesting on average (i think this is true, would be interesting to look at the TL top games of the year and look how many terran/zerg/protoss games are in there) I think it's just a matter of identification. If you play a race you identify with it and you also tend to see the difficulties in it or the way builds are executed or whatever. If you don't play P then it will be harder for you to be engaged with P play. I picked Protoss (in 2010) because I like lasers. Lasers are sweet. Why'd you change? I just got bored of 4-gating every game. I was a random player in BW and I eventually switched back because Terran and Zerg were becoming very appealing too. Also I don't know how to 4gate properly.
It's not that hard, but I was never a good player. I think my peak was Platinum or something - I preferred playing 2v2s.
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On August 13 2015 22:10 neptunusfisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think sc2 is in it's best spot ever right now proscene wise. All games are exciting and everyone knows the strengths of the other races. We even have large scale meta shifts in matches without patches. It is cool.
I agree. The game is interesting and exciting as ever (and LotV is going to throw that by the window, but hey...).
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I like how almost noone here is actually admitting the other person might have a point or that every race has had its OPness/faults and instead this is just a big "NO YOU. MY RACE IS COOL WHILE YOURS IS EASY, OP AND DUMB" circle.
Really curious what Rogue could bring vs Classic
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On August 13 2015 22:28 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:21 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:18 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 22:15 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:12 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 22:09 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:08 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 22:01 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 21:48 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:44 Nezgar wrote:
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Pretty much my point...
When a Terran is winning in the midgame, Terran fans proclaim the players as a god.
When a Protoss is winning in the lategame, Terran fans whine about Protoss being OP and "protossed"
Doesn't help that Terran fans seem to be the most vocal part of the community Because Terran players are whiney f**kers, that's why, they ALWAYS complain, even when the whole race seems to be doing well, it's so frustrating to always hear them complaining. "OH, terran has no late game, terran needs to finish midgame or they lose and gets protossed/zergs" For f**ks sake, Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2, why are terran players still whining, because they love the feeling of their race dominating and don't EVER want that feeling gone. Terran has won 29 premier tournaments in HOTS. Protoss has won 31 in HOTS. what about in WOL? Irrelevant. HA! nice try, but you're mistaken.... from what I said in my post, it is VERY relevant I've already responded to you. Discussing a different game where the races are played differently, in different metas, 3 years ago is dumb as fuck. You might as well complain about terrans wining in Brood War. You missed my point, I'm talking about how terrans are complaining and always whining despite winning most tournaments. hence "Terran has won the most tournaments and has dominated the longest in SC2" I was not disgusting any gameplay at all LOL. And I'm saying Terrans were whining about how Classic won game 1 in HOTs in 2015. Well, you missed the point of MY ORIGINAL POST (which was before yours), I don't actually care what your point is lol, and you can say you don't care about mine. You were the one responding to my post, so you can't really say that either.
You said "Terrans are always complaining", which is just wrong. Then you brought up irrelevant shit that has no bearing on the current meta, or what terran were actually complaining about. Anyway, I really don't care anymore. So just continue crying about how terran did well in Brood War or whatever it is that keeps you up at night.
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HyuN believes in a thing called Roach!
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ohhh it's a late one today
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On August 13 2015 22:33 IntoTheheart wrote:
HyuN believes in a thing called Roach!
I believe in a thing called Rogue.
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Rogue just rolls over him. GG
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Atrocious attack, and now HyuN loses this game.
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The good old double anti-timing. Not waiting for the upgrade and not waiting for the 13 roaches he just build. Match fixing?
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On August 13 2015 22:33 BlackCompany wrote:
I like how almost noone here is actually admitting the other person might have a point or that every race has had its OPness/faults and instead this is just a big "NO YOU. MY RACE IS COOL WHILE YOURS IS EASY, OP AND DUMB" circle.
One certain person insisting that "terran exciting, protoss boring" certainly coloured the discussion a bit. Us who think the matches are great and sc2 is in a fabulous state drown in the sea of caps lock, as non-extreme opinions always do.
On August 13 2015 22:33 BlackCompany wrote:
Really curious what Rogue could bring vs Classic
I would love him to bust out flying locust and snipe some nexus :D
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Yay Rogue ! Half of my Liquibet will be right at least
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You might say Hyun got Roccat'd
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Hyun's chance for WCS took a serious hit. And sOs will go up.
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I'm trying to make the liquibet comeback of the century, so Classic needs to win. Already got TY.
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Why did HyuN attack? Rogue had defender's advantage and a better concave...
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On August 13 2015 22:38 Durnuu wrote:Yay Rogue ! Half of my Liquibet will be right at least
Hehe, yeah I had classic and rogue so at least one of them will win
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On August 13 2015 22:39 The_Templar wrote:
I'm trying to make the liquibet comeback of the century, so Classic needs to win. Already got TY.
Yeah good luck with that.
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Well Wolf, you can't say you've never seen Rogue come back from such a situation again anymore. Stop the Rogue bashing.
I LBed TY and Rogue, please make it happen!
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On August 13 2015 22:38 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:33 BlackCompany wrote:
I like how almost noone here is actually admitting the other person might have a point or that every race has had its OPness/faults and instead this is just a big "NO YOU. MY RACE IS COOL WHILE YOURS IS EASY, OP AND DUMB" circle.
One certain person insisting that "terran exciting, protoss boring" certainly coloured the discussion a bit. Us who think the matches are great and sc2 is in a fabulous state drown in the sea of caps lock, as non-extreme opinions always do. Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:33 BlackCompany wrote:
Really curious what Rogue could bring vs Classic I would love him to bust out flying locust and snipe some nexus :D
I'd love to see SH haras like he did vs herO. That would be pretty cool. Altough my liquibets demand that Classic wins
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On August 13 2015 22:40 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:38 neptunusfisk wrote:On August 13 2015 22:33 BlackCompany wrote:
I like how almost noone here is actually admitting the other person might have a point or that every race has had its OPness/faults and instead this is just a big "NO YOU. MY RACE IS COOL WHILE YOURS IS EASY, OP AND DUMB" circle.
One certain person insisting that "terran exciting, protoss boring" certainly coloured the discussion a bit. Us who think the matches are great and sc2 is in a fabulous state drown in the sea of caps lock, as non-extreme opinions always do. On August 13 2015 22:33 BlackCompany wrote:
Really curious what Rogue could bring vs Classic I would love him to bust out flying locust and snipe some nexus :D I'd love to see SH haras like he did vs herO. That would be pretty cool. Altough my liquibets demand that Classic wins
So he does the SH harass and Classic plays beautifully to win. I'm fine with that
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On August 13 2015 22:39 The_Templar wrote:
I'm trying to make the liquibet comeback of the century, so Classic needs to win. Already got TY.
You're 479. The chances of that happening is about the same as Hack winning Code S :p
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On August 13 2015 22:26 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:25 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 Heartland wrote:On August 13 2015 22:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:On August 13 2015 21:45 Wrathsc2 wrote:
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probably because the way terran wins compared to protoss. When a terran wins its through exciting drops and out multitask. When toss wins its because of a big engagnement where they landed storms. And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support? Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills. But Terran fans don't understand that last bit. Terran drops = god Protoss doesn't drop = protossed It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him. Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains "they are so ignorant, lets ignore them" you just held a mirror in front of yourself. Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win. Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent. Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell, Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition. However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc) It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch. This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race. well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then. So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion. Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D Nah i agree with you and i also think this is true for a lot of people. I was just saying that i don't think this is much about balance ("huh protoss so ez!!" this isn't true), it's more about the general race design ("huh protoss is boring to watch") Lots of action is what sc2 should be about. It would be even ok if one race turtles a little bit more, WHEN the actual engagements would be exciting to watch AND there still would be harass potential for both sides. So yeah, matches which include protoss are simply less interesting on average (i think this is true, would be interesting to look at the TL top games of the year and look how many terran/zerg/protoss games are in there) I think it's just a matter of identification. If you play a race you identify with it and you also tend to see the difficulties in it or the way builds are executed or whatever. If you don't play P then it will be harder for you to be engaged with P play. I picked Protoss (in 2010) because I like lasers. Lasers are sweet. Why'd you change? I just got bored of 4-gating every game.
lol I used to 4gate every game in WoL
then I discovered the FFE and 3gate robo
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Well, HyuN gave a good fight. I am happy to see Rogue get a chance vs. Classic though, although ZvP has kinda signaled his downfall in previous individual leagues.
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On August 13 2015 22:42 Larkin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:26 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 Heartland wrote:On August 13 2015 22:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:On August 13 2015 21:49 Nezgar wrote:
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And how the fuck are you supposed to do "exciting drops and multitask" when you don't have those tools as Protoss? And your army is weaker in small chunks compared to stimmed bio with medivac support?
Defending that while getting to a high tech and building the right composition while keeping your bases alive and picking the right fight is how Protoss wins. Both require different sets of skills.
But Terran fans don't understand that last bit.
Terran drops = god
Protoss doesn't drop = protossed
It's an incredibly one-sided narrative and whenever a Protoss fan tries to say anything about it there are 10 Terrans screaming and hacking down on him.
Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains "they are so ignorant, lets ignore them" you just held a mirror in front of yourself. Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win. Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent. Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell, Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition. However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc) It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch. This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race. well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then. So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion. Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D Nah i agree with you and i also think this is true for a lot of people. I was just saying that i don't think this is much about balance ("huh protoss so ez!!" this isn't true), it's more about the general race design ("huh protoss is boring to watch") Lots of action is what sc2 should be about. It would be even ok if one race turtles a little bit more, WHEN the actual engagements would be exciting to watch AND there still would be harass potential for both sides. So yeah, matches which include protoss are simply less interesting on average (i think this is true, would be interesting to look at the TL top games of the year and look how many terran/zerg/protoss games are in there) I think it's just a matter of identification. If you play a race you identify with it and you also tend to see the difficulties in it or the way builds are executed or whatever. If you don't play P then it will be harder for you to be engaged with P play. I picked Protoss (in 2010) because I like lasers. Lasers are sweet. Why'd you change? I just got bored of 4-gating every game. lol I used to 4gate every game in WoL then I discovered the FFE and 3gate robo
My answer to "why the hell would you ever do that" was basically "Stalkers > No Stalkers."
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On August 13 2015 22:42 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:39 The_Templar wrote:
I'm trying to make the liquibet comeback of the century, so Classic needs to win. Already got TY. You're 479. The chances of that happening is about the same as Hack winning Code S :p
It's about points though and we haven't gotten any higher points bets yet. He's prolly just 10 points from the lead or so
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On August 13 2015 22:44 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:42 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 22:39 The_Templar wrote:
I'm trying to make the liquibet comeback of the century, so Classic needs to win. Already got TY. You're 479. The chances of that happening is about the same as Hack winning Code S :p It's about points though and we haven't gotten any higher points bets yet. He's prolly just 10 points from the lead or so
Touche. I remember I lost 2 points and ended up dropping 2 pages behind last season.
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YO who's that cutie beside Rain?
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On August 13 2015 22:38 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:33 BlackCompany wrote:
I like how almost noone here is actually admitting the other person might have a point or that every race has had its OPness/faults and instead this is just a big "NO YOU. MY RACE IS COOL WHILE YOURS IS EASY, OP AND DUMB" circle.
One certain person insisting that "terran exciting, protoss boring" certainly coloured the discussion a bit. Us who think the matches are great and sc2 is in a fabulous state drown in the sea of caps lock, as non-extreme opinions always do. Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:33 BlackCompany wrote:
Really curious what Rogue could bring vs Classic I would love him to bust out flying locust and snipe some nexus :D
Yeah so extreme to say protoss might be the least interesting race gameplay wise when most people seem to think that way.
It's more extreme to deny it and say everything is fine tbh
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On August 13 2015 22:42 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:39 The_Templar wrote:
I'm trying to make the liquibet comeback of the century, so Classic needs to win. Already got TY. You're 479. The chances of that happening is about the same as Hack winning Code S :p
Yeah, but I'm 'only' 11 points behind first place and I was below 800th not too long ago
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On August 13 2015 22:46 MiniFotToss wrote:
Rain hitting on Classic's GF???? LOL
Is Rain now SKT.SYG?
StealYoGirl?
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On August 13 2015 22:45 IntoTheheart wrote:
YO who's that cutie beside Rain?
이현경 Lee Hyun-Kyung, S2SL host. (and maybe Proleague as well ?)
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On August 13 2015 22:47 Durnuu wrote:이현경 Lee Hyun-Kyung, S2SL host. (and maybe Proleague as well ?)
I couldn't hear that conversation, but it was probably like:
Girl: "Win a GSL and I'll let you take me out to dinner."
Rain: "What if I win PL?"
Girl: "Did I stutter? ^__^"
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On August 13 2015 22:43 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:42 Larkin wrote:On August 13 2015 22:26 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 Heartland wrote:On August 13 2015 22:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 21:55 MiniFotToss wrote:
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Terran fans are ignorant that's why, really shouldn't bother with them, they are always the most pitiful race "WITH THE MOST MICRO" that has no good tech and always complains "they are so ignorant, lets ignore them" you just held a mirror in front of yourself. Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win. Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent. Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell, Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition. However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc) It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch. This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race. well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then. So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion. Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D Nah i agree with you and i also think this is true for a lot of people. I was just saying that i don't think this is much about balance ("huh protoss so ez!!" this isn't true), it's more about the general race design ("huh protoss is boring to watch") Lots of action is what sc2 should be about. It would be even ok if one race turtles a little bit more, WHEN the actual engagements would be exciting to watch AND there still would be harass potential for both sides. So yeah, matches which include protoss are simply less interesting on average (i think this is true, would be interesting to look at the TL top games of the year and look how many terran/zerg/protoss games are in there) I think it's just a matter of identification. If you play a race you identify with it and you also tend to see the difficulties in it or the way builds are executed or whatever. If you don't play P then it will be harder for you to be engaged with P play. I picked Protoss (in 2010) because I like lasers. Lasers are sweet. Why'd you change? I just got bored of 4-gating every game. lol I used to 4gate every game in WoL then I discovered the FFE and 3gate robo My answer to "why the hell would you ever do that" was basically "Stalkers > No Stalkers."
It being silver/gold league meant people didn't always have the best responses but neither could I necessarily kill them, so there were situations where a zerg would survive via loads of spines and the game would go to 15-20 minutes with both of us staying on one base
then I devised my genius second stage to the fourgate - the 8 gate
sometimes with voidrays
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On August 13 2015 22:47 Durnuu wrote:이현경 Lee Hyun-Kyung, S2SL host. (and maybe Proleague as well ?)
Classic'c GF??
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I really want Classic to beat the sexy boy here.
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On August 13 2015 22:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:38 neptunusfisk wrote:On August 13 2015 22:33 BlackCompany wrote:
I like how almost noone here is actually admitting the other person might have a point or that every race has had its OPness/faults and instead this is just a big "NO YOU. MY RACE IS COOL WHILE YOURS IS EASY, OP AND DUMB" circle.
One certain person insisting that "terran exciting, protoss boring" certainly coloured the discussion a bit. Us who think the matches are great and sc2 is in a fabulous state drown in the sea of caps lock, as non-extreme opinions always do. On August 13 2015 22:33 BlackCompany wrote:
Really curious what Rogue could bring vs Classic I would love him to bust out flying locust and snipe some nexus :D Yeah so extreme to say protoss might be the least interesting race gameplay wise when most people seem to think that way. It's more extreme to deny it and say everything is fine tbh
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You cant just say "protoss is boring because everyone thinks so" when you are the only one here who thinks so but I guess your trolling is running out of steam now so yes, I took the bait for your sake. Hugs and kisses.
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On August 13 2015 22:49 Larkin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:43 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 13 2015 22:42 Larkin wrote:On August 13 2015 22:26 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 Heartland wrote:On August 13 2015 22:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:03 Rollora wrote:
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"they are so ignorant, lets ignore them"
you just held a mirror in front of yourself.
Terran is the most mechanical race(with all the multi-harass, macro while micro), that is why it SEEMS that terran has to give more for the win.
Protoss does a lot "hidden" since its a lot of decisions and composition - we don't see that, so it SEEMS Protoss is easy, just warp in the right units and move over the opponent.
Zerg is a lot of perfect scouting, matching the composition and macroing like hell,
Very much simplified and not 100% accurate I know, basically because of course every race is also about micro and macro and composition.
However, because you SEE what the terran does all the times, it seems Terran has it harder to the neutral viewers (and all Terrans ofc)
It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch. This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race. well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then. So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion. Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D Nah i agree with you and i also think this is true for a lot of people. I was just saying that i don't think this is much about balance ("huh protoss so ez!!" this isn't true), it's more about the general race design ("huh protoss is boring to watch") Lots of action is what sc2 should be about. It would be even ok if one race turtles a little bit more, WHEN the actual engagements would be exciting to watch AND there still would be harass potential for both sides. So yeah, matches which include protoss are simply less interesting on average (i think this is true, would be interesting to look at the TL top games of the year and look how many terran/zerg/protoss games are in there) I think it's just a matter of identification. If you play a race you identify with it and you also tend to see the difficulties in it or the way builds are executed or whatever. If you don't play P then it will be harder for you to be engaged with P play. I picked Protoss (in 2010) because I like lasers. Lasers are sweet. Why'd you change? I just got bored of 4-gating every game. lol I used to 4gate every game in WoL then I discovered the FFE and 3gate robo My answer to "why the hell would you ever do that" was basically "Stalkers > No Stalkers." It being silver/gold league meant people didn't always have the best responses but neither could I necessarily kill them, so there were situations where a zerg would survive via loads of spines and the game would go to 15-20 minutes with both of us staying on one base then I devised my genius second stage to the fourgate - the 8 gate sometimes with voidrays
VRs were the soul, the spirit, the best that StarCraft could be.
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On August 13 2015 22:54 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:49 Larkin wrote:On August 13 2015 22:43 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 13 2015 22:42 Larkin wrote:On August 13 2015 22:26 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 Heartland wrote:On August 13 2015 22:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch.
This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race. well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then. So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion. Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D Nah i agree with you and i also think this is true for a lot of people. I was just saying that i don't think this is much about balance ("huh protoss so ez!!" this isn't true), it's more about the general race design ("huh protoss is boring to watch") Lots of action is what sc2 should be about. It would be even ok if one race turtles a little bit more, WHEN the actual engagements would be exciting to watch AND there still would be harass potential for both sides. So yeah, matches which include protoss are simply less interesting on average (i think this is true, would be interesting to look at the TL top games of the year and look how many terran/zerg/protoss games are in there) I think it's just a matter of identification. If you play a race you identify with it and you also tend to see the difficulties in it or the way builds are executed or whatever. If you don't play P then it will be harder for you to be engaged with P play. I picked Protoss (in 2010) because I like lasers. Lasers are sweet. Why'd you change? I just got bored of 4-gating every game. lol I used to 4gate every game in WoL then I discovered the FFE and 3gate robo My answer to "why the hell would you ever do that" was basically "Stalkers > No Stalkers." It being silver/gold league meant people didn't always have the best responses but neither could I necessarily kill them, so there were situations where a zerg would survive via loads of spines and the game would go to 15-20 minutes with both of us staying on one base then I devised my genius second stage to the fourgate - the 8 gate sometimes with voidrays VRs were the soul, the spirit, the best that StarCraft could be.
god I love reading your sig
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On August 13 2015 22:54 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:49 Larkin wrote:On August 13 2015 22:43 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 13 2015 22:42 Larkin wrote:On August 13 2015 22:26 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 Heartland wrote:On August 13 2015 22:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:On August 13 2015 22:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
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It doesn't matter if it is just as hard, but it matters if it is exciting to watch.
This isn't about balance, it's about unit interactions and viable playstyles for each race. well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then. So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion. Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D Nah i agree with you and i also think this is true for a lot of people. I was just saying that i don't think this is much about balance ("huh protoss so ez!!" this isn't true), it's more about the general race design ("huh protoss is boring to watch") Lots of action is what sc2 should be about. It would be even ok if one race turtles a little bit more, WHEN the actual engagements would be exciting to watch AND there still would be harass potential for both sides. So yeah, matches which include protoss are simply less interesting on average (i think this is true, would be interesting to look at the TL top games of the year and look how many terran/zerg/protoss games are in there) I think it's just a matter of identification. If you play a race you identify with it and you also tend to see the difficulties in it or the way builds are executed or whatever. If you don't play P then it will be harder for you to be engaged with P play. I picked Protoss (in 2010) because I like lasers. Lasers are sweet. Why'd you change? I just got bored of 4-gating every game. lol I used to 4gate every game in WoL then I discovered the FFE and 3gate robo My answer to "why the hell would you ever do that" was basically "Stalkers > No Stalkers." It being silver/gold league meant people didn't always have the best responses but neither could I necessarily kill them, so there were situations where a zerg would survive via loads of spines and the game would go to 15-20 minutes with both of us staying on one base then I devised my genius second stage to the fourgate - the 8 gate sometimes with voidrays VRs were the soul, the spirit, the best that StarCraft could be.
naniwa says void ray is his favourite unit. when void ray meta is viable again he will probably win GSL as the first foreigner and be the new protoss dragon along with sOs and the returning genius
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On August 13 2015 22:56 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 13 2015 22:49 Larkin wrote:On August 13 2015 22:43 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 13 2015 22:42 Larkin wrote:On August 13 2015 22:26 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 Heartland wrote:On August 13 2015 22:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:
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well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then.
So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion.
Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D
Nah i agree with you and i also think this is true for a lot of people. I was just saying that i don't think this is much about balance ("huh protoss so ez!!" this isn't true), it's more about the general race design ("huh protoss is boring to watch") Lots of action is what sc2 should be about. It would be even ok if one race turtles a little bit more, WHEN the actual engagements would be exciting to watch AND there still would be harass potential for both sides. So yeah, matches which include protoss are simply less interesting on average (i think this is true, would be interesting to look at the TL top games of the year and look how many terran/zerg/protoss games are in there) I think it's just a matter of identification. If you play a race you identify with it and you also tend to see the difficulties in it or the way builds are executed or whatever. If you don't play P then it will be harder for you to be engaged with P play. I picked Protoss (in 2010) because I like lasers. Lasers are sweet. Why'd you change? I just got bored of 4-gating every game. lol I used to 4gate every game in WoL then I discovered the FFE and 3gate robo My answer to "why the hell would you ever do that" was basically "Stalkers > No Stalkers." It being silver/gold league meant people didn't always have the best responses but neither could I necessarily kill them, so there were situations where a zerg would survive via loads of spines and the game would go to 15-20 minutes with both of us staying on one base then I devised my genius second stage to the fourgate - the 8 gate sometimes with voidrays VRs were the soul, the spirit, the best that StarCraft could be. god I love reading your sig
I also really enjoy reading it.
Shame it'll go in 15 days though. :/
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On August 13 2015 22:56 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 13 2015 22:49 Larkin wrote:On August 13 2015 22:43 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 13 2015 22:42 Larkin wrote:On August 13 2015 22:26 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 22:25 Heartland wrote:On August 13 2015 22:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:14 Rollora wrote:
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well I think it to be more exciting to watch if a player has to mechanically work harder for the win (multiprompt attacks, harass, micro, multitask...) and not sits at home and thinks about his unit comp, while defending. So maybe "excitement" while watching is different to each other, to me, constant harassement and trading and getting ahead by many small skirmirshes is what I prefer watching, not getting ahead all game and losing in 2 secs then.
So for me, it would be fine if every race plays like Terran :D but that is only one mans opinion.
Well I think Zerg is fine as well, but i never got "warm" with toss. Lazers and vanishing units don't do the same to me as BLOOD from Zerglings or Humans :D
Nah i agree with you and i also think this is true for a lot of people. I was just saying that i don't think this is much about balance ("huh protoss so ez!!" this isn't true), it's more about the general race design ("huh protoss is boring to watch") Lots of action is what sc2 should be about. It would be even ok if one race turtles a little bit more, WHEN the actual engagements would be exciting to watch AND there still would be harass potential for both sides. So yeah, matches which include protoss are simply less interesting on average (i think this is true, would be interesting to look at the TL top games of the year and look how many terran/zerg/protoss games are in there) I think it's just a matter of identification. If you play a race you identify with it and you also tend to see the difficulties in it or the way builds are executed or whatever. If you don't play P then it will be harder for you to be engaged with P play. I picked Protoss (in 2010) because I like lasers. Lasers are sweet. Why'd you change? I just got bored of 4-gating every game. lol I used to 4gate every game in WoL then I discovered the FFE and 3gate robo My answer to "why the hell would you ever do that" was basically "Stalkers > No Stalkers." It being silver/gold league meant people didn't always have the best responses but neither could I necessarily kill them, so there were situations where a zerg would survive via loads of spines and the game would go to 15-20 minutes with both of us staying on one base then I devised my genius second stage to the fourgate - the 8 gate sometimes with voidrays VRs were the soul, the spirit, the best that StarCraft could be. naniwa says void ray is his favourite unit. when void ray meta is viable again he will probably win GSL as the first foreigner and be the new protoss dragon along with sOs and the returning genius
I thought that $O$ preferred having beautiful things called "Tempests."
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On August 13 2015 22:53 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:38 neptunusfisk wrote:On August 13 2015 22:33 BlackCompany wrote:
I like how almost noone here is actually admitting the other person might have a point or that every race has had its OPness/faults and instead this is just a big "NO YOU. MY RACE IS COOL WHILE YOURS IS EASY, OP AND DUMB" circle.
One certain person insisting that "terran exciting, protoss boring" certainly coloured the discussion a bit. Us who think the matches are great and sc2 is in a fabulous state drown in the sea of caps lock, as non-extreme opinions always do. On August 13 2015 22:33 BlackCompany wrote:
Really curious what Rogue could bring vs Classic I would love him to bust out flying locust and snipe some nexus :D Yeah so extreme to say protoss might be the least interesting race gameplay wise when most people seem to think that way. It's more extreme to deny it and say everything is fine tbh + Show Spoiler +You cant just say "protoss is boring because everyone thinks so" when you are the only one here who thinks so but I guess your trolling is running out of steam now so yes, I took the bait for your sake. Hugs and kisses.
Are you for real? Just cause most people aren't as stupid as i am and don't post this stuff here in the LR thread you conclude that i am the only one who thinks so while there are posts complaining about protoss pretty much everywhere all the time?
Yes, these people complain about protoss being too strong (bla bla oracles, bla bla lategame), but what these people don't understand is that this isn't about balance, this is about design and excitement (to watch and to play against)
There is tons of questionable stuff in other games as well, but people deal with it a lot better cause in the end it still creates interesting gameplay.
But yeah, this isn't the place to discuss something like this. (sc2 being in the best place is laughable though, the numbers are on the lowest point ever, i wonder why, i guess because the gameplay is so exciting!)
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On August 13 2015 22:58 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:53 neptunusfisk wrote:On August 13 2015 22:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:38 neptunusfisk wrote:On August 13 2015 22:33 BlackCompany wrote:
I like how almost noone here is actually admitting the other person might have a point or that every race has had its OPness/faults and instead this is just a big "NO YOU. MY RACE IS COOL WHILE YOURS IS EASY, OP AND DUMB" circle.
One certain person insisting that "terran exciting, protoss boring" certainly coloured the discussion a bit. Us who think the matches are great and sc2 is in a fabulous state drown in the sea of caps lock, as non-extreme opinions always do. On August 13 2015 22:33 BlackCompany wrote:
Really curious what Rogue could bring vs Classic I would love him to bust out flying locust and snipe some nexus :D Yeah so extreme to say protoss might be the least interesting race gameplay wise when most people seem to think that way. It's more extreme to deny it and say everything is fine tbh + Show Spoiler +You cant just say "protoss is boring because everyone thinks so" when you are the only one here who thinks so but I guess your trolling is running out of steam now so yes, I took the bait for your sake. Hugs and kisses. + Show Spoiler +Are you for real? Just cause most people aren't as stupid as i am and don't post this stuff here in the LR thread you conclude that i am the only one who thinks so while there are posts complaining about protoss pretty much everywhere all the time?
Yes, these people complain about protoss being too strong (bla bla oracles, bla bla lategame), but what these people don't understand is that this isn't about balance, this is about design and excitement (to watch and to play against)
There is tons of questionable stuff in other games as well, but people deal with it a lot better cause in the end it still creates interesting gameplay.
But yeah, this isn't the place to discuss something like this. (sc2 being in the best place is laughable though, the numbers are on the lowest point ever, i wonder why, i guess because the gameplay is so exciting!)
Whatever, go to twitch chat or something, I'm sure you can find friends who share your opinions there
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uncharacteristically sloppy, maybe classic is a bit flustered
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Just for the Sake of Completeness:
Over all Starcraft 2 Premier Events (Beta, WOL, HOTS):
Terran Winner: 66
Protoss Winner: 58
Zerg Winner: 49
Terran Runner-Up: 41
Protoss Runner-Up: 59
Zerg Runner-Up: 65
Which of course leads to:
Terran Finalists: 107
Protoss Finalists: 117
Zerg Finalists: 114
Also:
TvT Finals: 15
PvP Finals: 20
ZvZ Finals: 20
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What good are Vipers against this army comp from Classic? :o
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Storm makes zerg´s life really tough :/
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On August 13 2015 23:00 IntoTheheart wrote:
What good are Vipers against this army comp from Classic? :o
Blinding Cloud?
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On August 12 2015 21:54 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:PredictionsIf you’ve been paying attention at all this year, this should be like a lazy Sunday of fishing for Classic. Out of the other three though, TY’s notably had difficulty against zergs, despite looking pretty solid against Snute in Shenzhen. He's failed to have any real consistency at all in the matchup, and against two highly aggressive zergs, it looks like he’ll struggle. In the final match of the night, ZvZ is as difficult to predict as ever, but I reckon HyuN’s bag of party tricks is just about deep enough to get him past Rogue. Classic > HyuN TY < RogueClassic > Rogue HyuN > TY Rogue < HyuNClassic and HyuN to advance to the Ro8.
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On August 13 2015 23:02 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:00 IntoTheheart wrote:
What good are Vipers against this army comp from Classic? :o Blinding Cloud?
Or to kill the Warp Prisms apparently.
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Why sacrifice the HTs? :\
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remax on roaches? interesting
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Nice attack from Rogue! Now FINISH HIM!
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what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D
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Dammit Classic, you aren't supposed to lose this.
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Great game by Rogue... Classic didn't look on point.
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On August 13 2015 22:59 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 22:58 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:53 neptunusfisk wrote:On August 13 2015 22:47 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 22:38 neptunusfisk wrote:On August 13 2015 22:33 BlackCompany wrote:
I like how almost noone here is actually admitting the other person might have a point or that every race has had its OPness/faults and instead this is just a big "NO YOU. MY RACE IS COOL WHILE YOURS IS EASY, OP AND DUMB" circle.
One certain person insisting that "terran exciting, protoss boring" certainly coloured the discussion a bit. Us who think the matches are great and sc2 is in a fabulous state drown in the sea of caps lock, as non-extreme opinions always do. On August 13 2015 22:33 BlackCompany wrote:
Really curious what Rogue could bring vs Classic I would love him to bust out flying locust and snipe some nexus :D Yeah so extreme to say protoss might be the least interesting race gameplay wise when most people seem to think that way. It's more extreme to deny it and say everything is fine tbh + Show Spoiler +You cant just say "protoss is boring because everyone thinks so" when you are the only one here who thinks so but I guess your trolling is running out of steam now so yes, I took the bait for your sake. Hugs and kisses. + Show Spoiler +Are you for real? Just cause most people aren't as stupid as i am and don't post this stuff here in the LR thread you conclude that i am the only one who thinks so while there are posts complaining about protoss pretty much everywhere all the time?
Yes, these people complain about protoss being too strong (bla bla oracles, bla bla lategame), but what these people don't understand is that this isn't about balance, this is about design and excitement (to watch and to play against)
There is tons of questionable stuff in other games as well, but people deal with it a lot better cause in the end it still creates interesting gameplay.
But yeah, this isn't the place to discuss something like this. (sc2 being in the best place is laughable though, the numbers are on the lowest point ever, i wonder why, i guess because the gameplay is so exciting!) Whatever, go to twitch chat or something, I'm sure you can find friends who share your opinions there
Damn what a witty comment, i guess you have to be some sort of genius to appreciate toss gameplay, that might be the difference
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On August 13 2015 23:05 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Great game by Rogue... Classic didn't look on point.
Maybe he's tilted...
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Rogue going to join Byul in the Ro8!!
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Rogue brought a really clever game! Probably prepped to meet classic in winners match...
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Seeker
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On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D
Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo.
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Also is Classic now ChinToss? He's got the biggest chin of the SC players still active, right?
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Come on Rogue! That was a neat game, I like seeing Broods ZvP.
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On August 13 2015 23:07 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo.
? he's really obviously top 5.
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On August 13 2015 23:06 neptunusfisk wrote:
Rogue brought a really clever game! Probably prepped to meet classic in winners match...
yeah it really looked like his timings were dead on counters to what he expected from classic. classic too passive?
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On August 13 2015 23:07 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo.
Not when sOs, Zest, Rain, herO and PartinG are active.
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On August 13 2015 23:07 IntoTheheart wrote:
Also is Classic now ChinToss? He's got the biggest chin of the SC players still active, right?
It is smaller than before but yes
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On August 13 2015 23:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:07 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo. Not when sOs, Zest, Rain, herO and PartinG are active.
Winning SSL doesn't count for anything, huh?
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On August 13 2015 23:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:07 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo. Not when sOs, Zest, Rain, herO and PartinG are active.
sOs and Parting ? come on man
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On August 13 2015 23:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:07 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo. Not when sOs, Zest, Rain, herO and PartinG are active.
Classic is easily above sos and in recent times he has outshined hero, zest and parting, only rain really being on point lately.. well, until herO suddenly played good again last week
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What do they mean by "someone like rogue" ? he went 2-3 against classic in kespa cup a month ago and is generally considered pretty good
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On August 13 2015 23:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On August 13 2015 23:07 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo. Not when sOs, Zest, Rain, herO and PartinG are active. Winning SSL doesn't count for anything, huh?
SSL, IEM champion recently, 70%+ in all 3 matchups over the last 5 months. he's the top performing protoss.
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HyuN: "And then... I built Roaches..."
Girls clearly going wild.
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On August 13 2015 23:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:07 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo. Not when sOs, Zest, Rain, herO and PartinG are active.
there's no linear ranking, those players are all on a very similar level including classic except sos isn't as good as the rest
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On August 13 2015 23:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 23:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On August 13 2015 23:07 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo. Not when sOs, Zest, Rain, herO and PartinG are active. Winning SSL doesn't count for anything, huh? SSL, IEM champion recently, 70%+ in all 3 matchups over the last 5 months. he's the top performing protoss.
Yeah i agree, stats don't lie (stats only loses and fucks my fpl)
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On August 13 2015 23:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 23:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On August 13 2015 23:07 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo. Not when sOs, Zest, Rain, herO and PartinG are active. Winning SSL doesn't count for anything, huh? SSL, IEM champion recently, 70%+ in all 3 matchups over the last 5 months. he's the top performing protoss.
and can't make it out of ro16 of tier2 korean tournament
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On August 13 2015 23:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:07 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo. Not when sOs, Zest, Rain, herO and PartinG are active.
Classic won S2SL, he won IEM. sOs hasn't won a tournament this year. herO won a single tournament. Zest won a single tournament. Parting won a single tournament. Not only does Classic make a case for top 5, he makes a case for being #1.
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On August 13 2015 23:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:07 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo. Not when sOs, Zest, Rain, herO and PartinG are active.
Nope. Classic is above sOs and PartinG for sure right now.
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On August 13 2015 23:12 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:10 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2015 23:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 23:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On August 13 2015 23:07 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo. Not when sOs, Zest, Rain, herO and PartinG are active. Winning SSL doesn't count for anything, huh? SSL, IEM champion recently, 70%+ in all 3 matchups over the last 5 months. he's the top performing protoss. and can't make it out of ro16 of tier2 korean tournament
And Rain gets shrekt by foreigners in PvP.
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On August 13 2015 23:12 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:10 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2015 23:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 23:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On August 13 2015 23:07 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo. Not when sOs, Zest, Rain, herO and PartinG are active. Winning SSL doesn't count for anything, huh? SSL, IEM champion recently, 70%+ in all 3 matchups over the last 5 months. he's the top performing protoss. and can't make it out of ro16 of tier2 korean tournament
with this logic everyone is trash. even in bw which was far more consistent you had bisu at his pick who was winning MSLs right and left and couldnt make it to OSL and these two tours were almost identical
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On August 13 2015 23:14 lastride wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:12 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On August 13 2015 23:10 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2015 23:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 23:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On August 13 2015 23:07 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo. Not when sOs, Zest, Rain, herO and PartinG are active. Winning SSL doesn't count for anything, huh? SSL, IEM champion recently, 70%+ in all 3 matchups over the last 5 months. he's the top performing protoss. and can't make it out of ro16 of tier2 korean tournament with this logic everyone is trash. even in bw you had bisu at his pick who was winning MSLs right and left and couldnt make it to OSL and these two tours were almost identical
I suspect that was a mental block, though.
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On August 13 2015 23:12 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:10 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2015 23:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 23:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On August 13 2015 23:07 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo. Not when sOs, Zest, Rain, herO and PartinG are active. Winning SSL doesn't count for anything, huh? SSL, IEM champion recently, 70%+ in all 3 matchups over the last 5 months. he's the top performing protoss. and can't make it out of ro16 of tier2 korean tournament
sc2 fan logic: lose a game and you're tilted, lose a series and you're slumping, drop out of a tournament and you go down a tier
all of these players are insanely good and anyone can beat anyone, consistency is more important than judging single results which is why soo was the best in the world when he won four silvers. do you not get that there's randomness and variance at this level?
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Usually in this situation I'd cheer for Protoss/Classic....
But since the player advancing in this series will play against Rain.... I think Rain has a better chance of beating Rogue compared to Classic.
so, GO ROGUE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Did Wolf say Rain is out of GSL?
Because he isn't (was close though)
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On August 13 2015 23:15 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:14 lastride wrote:On August 13 2015 23:12 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On August 13 2015 23:10 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2015 23:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 23:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On August 13 2015 23:07 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo. Not when sOs, Zest, Rain, herO and PartinG are active. Winning SSL doesn't count for anything, huh? SSL, IEM champion recently, 70%+ in all 3 matchups over the last 5 months. he's the top performing protoss. and can't make it out of ro16 of tier2 korean tournament with this logic everyone is trash. even in bw you had bisu at his pick who was winning MSLs right and left and couldnt make it to OSL and these two tours were almost identical I suspect that was a mental block, though.
WHich doesn't matter, the end result is what counts
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On August 13 2015 23:15 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:14 lastride wrote:On August 13 2015 23:12 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On August 13 2015 23:10 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2015 23:09 The_Red_Viper wrote:On August 13 2015 23:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On August 13 2015 23:07 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 23:05 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
what? the very best protoss ro16 of SSL? ah, he's objectivly not even top5 protoss :D Classic makes a strong case for top 5 protoss imo. Not when sOs, Zest, Rain, herO and PartinG are active. Winning SSL doesn't count for anything, huh? SSL, IEM champion recently, 70%+ in all 3 matchups over the last 5 months. he's the top performing protoss. and can't make it out of ro16 of tier2 korean tournament with this logic everyone is trash. even in bw you had bisu at his pick who was winning MSLs right and left and couldnt make it to OSL and these two tours were almost identical I suspect that was a mental block, though.
he kinda got hoed by shine a couple times, and he randomly made suicide groups. he did get to ro4 once, though
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people who trash classic are the ones who called him patchtoss in 2014 and are now trying desperately to stave off embarrassment from seeing him become a dominant tier 1
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HOLY SHIT!!!!!! That Micro from Classic was Godlike!!!!!!!! Damn, I almost thought Rogue killed Classic there
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That wasn't move command, but blinding cloud... or? Damn it, working conditions are harsh, I cannot watch SC2 that freely
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Hmmm, nice attack from Classic.
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why blink like that, it's becoming more and more common to be so carefree... or 'ambitious' as the casters call it...
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God damnit that looked so good for a moment. I hate seeing my favorite players lose to blink stalkers.
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Yeah, uh... Rogue's still on three bases.
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There is no way Rogue can win the next fight.
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On August 13 2015 23:19 Larkin wrote:
why blink like that, it's becoming more and more common to be so carefree... or 'ambitious' as the casters call it...
I blame herO, he's the original reckless blinker
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On August 13 2015 23:22 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:19 Larkin wrote:
why blink like that, it's becoming more and more common to be so carefree... or 'ambitious' as the casters call it... I blame herO, he's the original reckless blinker
I thought that was Lilbow.
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On August 13 2015 23:22 RaFox17 wrote:
There is no way Rogue can win the next fight.
Even if he does, Classic will overpower him the fight after.
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Still no MSC for Classic?
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On August 13 2015 23:24 deacon.frost wrote:
Still no MSC for Classic?
He's playing my kind of protoss.
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On August 13 2015 23:24 The_Templar wrote:He's playing my kind of protoss.
The kind Rotti would disapprove of?
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here come the lategame dts...
i much prefer watching dts as a midgame build timing. in the late game it's just disgusting how effective they can be
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That distraction was wayyyyyyyyyyy too expensive for Rogue.
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On August 13 2015 23:24 The_Templar wrote:He's playing my kind of protoss.
That means what?
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On August 13 2015 23:22 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:19 Larkin wrote:
why blink like that, it's becoming more and more common to be so carefree... or 'ambitious' as the casters call it... I blame herO, he's the original reckless blinker
parting was the first I remember seeing doing it regularly, it's just cockiness
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On August 13 2015 23:26 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:24 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 23:24 deacon.frost wrote:
Still no MSC for Classic? He's playing my kind of protoss. That means what?
Well, he named himself Templar
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This music cracks me up, am I old?
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what's last map? i want to see something aggressive from rogue. you can't do that passive broodlord style three games in a row against a good toss
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On August 13 2015 23:26 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:26 deacon.frost wrote:On August 13 2015 23:24 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 23:24 deacon.frost wrote:
Still no MSC for Classic? He's playing my kind of protoss. That means what? Well, he named himself Templar
Yeah, but why no MSC? :/
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wow.. that's.... a good strategy
let's see if it pays off
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On August 13 2015 23:28 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:26 Heartland wrote:On August 13 2015 23:26 deacon.frost wrote:On August 13 2015 23:24 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 23:24 deacon.frost wrote:
Still no MSC for Classic? He's playing my kind of protoss. That means what? Well, he named himself Templar Yeah, but why no MSC? :/
Because I can't control the MSC at all
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2015, players still don't scout their own base.
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I love how passionate the fans are for this! so good to see
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OMFG BUILD A FUCKING ZEALOT
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On August 13 2015 23:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
2015, players still don't scout their own base.
just some overestimated players, let's be honest
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Seriously, you have to move your probe like five inches to see the hatchery. It takes a fifth of a second.
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Jinro level rage incoming.
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How often does Classic lose to this sort of shit?
Or was it herO that always loses to in-base proxies?
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On August 13 2015 23:30 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
2015, players still don't scout their own base. just some overestimated players, let's be honest
like herO who kept failing to scout proxy gates you mean?
or is it just when it's convenient to your narrative?
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On August 13 2015 23:30 The_Templar wrote:
Seriously, you have to move your probe like five inches to see the hatchery. It takes a fifth of a second.
still it's a bad call to make : P
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On August 13 2015 23:30 IntoTheheart wrote:
How often does Classic lose to this sort of shit?
Or was it herO that always loses to in-base proxies?
Classic loses to hatcheries, herO loses to gateways.
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Fucking Protoss bullshit allin race. Ohwait.
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That guy with the phone is so happy right now.
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What a fail from Classic.
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Rogue, always the showman.
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crazy finish to the night
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classic looks so shocked and sad
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who liquibet TY and Rogue?
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On August 13 2015 23:32 Penev wrote:
who liquibet TY and Rogue?
Probably 200 people. >.>
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I'm kinda happy for Rogue who cements his Blizzcon chances, but man I'm so sad for my man... Classic looked on tilt tonight.
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Really nice casting by Wolf actually
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damn that Rogue face of pure satisfaction at the end there
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wow balls of steel, well played Rogue
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fucking brilliant awesome game xD
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Zerg "bullshit" is so beautiful.
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god i love proxy hatch
wish it had been classic rogue, but oh well. zerg heart wins
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On August 13 2015 23:33 The_Templar wrote:Probably 200 people. >.>
nah, you're good with your TY bet (I bet Classic and Rogue like prob most)
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hahahahha so brilliant cheese
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well no Wolf he didn't win all 3 matchups, as you only win 2 to advance
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Well played Rogue. Sad for Classic
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Favorite players made it out!!!! Pretty great group tonight. Glad I watched.
Best part is now there's only 1 mirror PvP.
TY vs Zest (TvP)
Byul vs Innovation (ZvT)
Rain vs Rogue (PvZ)
herO vs Myungsik (PvP)
Awesome!
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On August 13 2015 23:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:30 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On August 13 2015 23:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
2015, players still don't scout their own base. just some overestimated players, let's be honest like herO who kept failing to scout proxy gates you mean? or is it just when it's convenient to your narrative?
just adding some salt to classic fans, let em suffer a bit :|
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Everytime you see missing natural and you checked gold bases check your 3rd and your base, OMG. On what ladder does he play? >< Jeez, man.
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Rogue!!!! More Z in the Ro8!!!
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Great game (but not as good as Flash 3-1 Classic).
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On August 13 2015 23:34 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:33 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 23:32 Penev wrote:
who liquibet TY and Rogue? Probably 200 people. >.> nah, you're good with your TY bet (I bet Classic and Rogue like prob most)
I'll probably still go down in rank though :D
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On August 13 2015 23:34 deacon.frost wrote:
Everytime you see missing natural and you checked gold bases check your 3rd and your base, OMG. On what ladder does he play? >< Jeez, man.
he checked the third I think
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Damn, Classic's GF smiling like that after her Boyfriend got bopped HARD!!!!! damn... lol
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Yup... I hate Rogue now...
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My liquibet got rekt, but I'm so happy right now.
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On August 13 2015 23:31 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:30 IntoTheheart wrote:
How often does Classic lose to this sort of shit?
Or was it herO that always loses to in-base proxies? Classic loses to hatcheries, herO loses to gateways.
that's not a shame to lose to a proxy gameways
Rain in ro8 incoming for Rogue, so Rain is automatically in ro4
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On August 13 2015 23:35 Seeker wrote:
Yup... I hate Rogue now...
YOu cannot hate the sexy boy
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On August 13 2015 23:35 Seeker wrote:
Yup... I hate Rogue now...
Blasphemy! He always delivers the most silly/awesome games.
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On August 13 2015 23:36 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:31 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 23:30 IntoTheheart wrote:
How often does Classic lose to this sort of shit?
Or was it herO that always loses to in-base proxies? Classic loses to hatcheries, herO loses to gateways. that's not a shame to lose to a proxy gameways Rain in ro8 incoming for Rogue, so Rain is automatically in ro4
Don't sleep on the sexy boy zerg.
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One small miserable probe scout could have won him the game .. poor Classic. Crazy series though
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On August 13 2015 23:36 sparklyresidue wrote:Blasphemy! He always delivers the most silly/awesome games.
Yeah, you can see TRUE used to be his teammate
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On August 13 2015 23:36 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:36 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On August 13 2015 23:31 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 23:30 IntoTheheart wrote:
How often does Classic lose to this sort of shit?
Or was it herO that always loses to in-base proxies? Classic loses to hatcheries, herO loses to gateways. that's not a shame to lose to a proxy gameways Rain in ro8 incoming for Rogue, so Rain is automatically in ro4 Don't sleep on the sexy boy zerg.
We'll see what the fangirls think about that.
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So sour about that KT teamkill
#666
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KT vs KT.
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Rain must be really happy he has to play vZ instead of Classic.
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Nice RO8. It's so bizarre to me that Myungsik is there, but he earned it.
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herO should have a fairly easy road to the finals, unless Rogue decides to go sexy boy mode
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On August 13 2015 23:36 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:31 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 23:30 IntoTheheart wrote:
How often does Classic lose to this sort of shit?
Or was it herO that always loses to in-base proxies? Classic loses to hatcheries, herO loses to gateways. that's not a shame to lose to a proxy gameways Rain in ro8 incoming for Rogue, so Rain is automatically in ro4
Last time they fought Rain lost to Pre-nerfed Swarm hosts against Rogue...
Rain for the revenge against Rogue now!!!!!
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On August 13 2015 23:37 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:36 royalroadweed wrote:On August 13 2015 23:36 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On August 13 2015 23:31 The_Templar wrote:On August 13 2015 23:30 IntoTheheart wrote:
How often does Classic lose to this sort of shit?
Or was it herO that always loses to in-base proxies? Classic loses to hatcheries, herO loses to gateways. that's not a shame to lose to a proxy gameways Rain in ro8 incoming for Rogue, so Rain is automatically in ro4 Don't sleep on the sexy boy zerg. We'll see what the fangirls think about that.
I belive we can predict their answers mostly :D
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On August 13 2015 23:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:
herO should have a fairly easy road to the finals, unless Rogue decides to go sexy boy mode
final zest - rain called it
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On August 13 2015 23:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:
herO should have a fairly easy road to the finals, unless Rogue decides to go sexy boy mode
Dude, Rain is no pushover, he can beat herO just as much as herO can beat Rain (both of them are similar in PvP styles and they're both not as good in the matchup)
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On August 13 2015 23:43 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:
herO should have a fairly easy road to the finals, unless Rogue decides to go sexy boy mode final zest - rain called it
hope so, have wanted this for IEM WC finals but didn't happen hope it finally happens!!!!
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Vaani such a tough map for PvZ. Zerg can open greedy gold, which was what Classic was scouting for. Yes, the proxy hatch was sick, but the map and meta made it easy to pull off. And even if it got scouted, Zerg could transition with a slight deficit. Bold but not exactly risky move.
Sad for Classic. Then again, too many P in RO8 anyway. Maybe it's for the best for viewership.
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On August 13 2015 23:45 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:
herO should have a fairly easy road to the finals, unless Rogue decides to go sexy boy mode Dude, Rain is no pushover, he can beat herO just as much as herO can beat Rain (both of them are similar in PvP styles and they're both not as good in the matchup)
Hm yeah maybe. I just remember Rain losing to foreigners in PvP, but that's probably not the deciding factor here :D
Still, i think herO got this (road to the finals)
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On August 13 2015 23:35 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:34 deacon.frost wrote:
Everytime you see missing natural and you checked gold bases check your 3rd and your base, OMG. On what ladder does he play? >< Jeez, man. he checked the third I think
Yeah, he checked golds, Rogue's bases and the he should have checked his 3rd(tentacle rush) or his natural and his main. Why pros forgets there's the main?
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On August 14 2015 00:00 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2015 23:35 Heartland wrote:On August 13 2015 23:34 deacon.frost wrote:
Everytime you see missing natural and you checked gold bases check your 3rd and your base, OMG. On what ladder does he play? >< Jeez, man. he checked the third I think Yeah, he checked golds, Rogue's bases and the he should have checked his 3rd(tentacle rush) or his natural and his main. Why pros forgets there's the main?
And it's in the main that it's the most pressing to scout anyway.
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Lol Classic losing again. Why am I not surprised at all?
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Wow well done TY. Didn't expect that.:D
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What a wonderful fucking series today. I highly recommend anyone watch every single game, start to finish for this group. Just some killer sc2 today.
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Watched the games a few days late. No way did TY just win this group and Classic got eliminated?? Sc2 is a wonderful game
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On August 15 2015 00:41 HooHooH wrote:
No way did TY just win this group and Classic got eliminated??
Could be a nice rivalry stewing, they are 2-2 in maps this year and 3-3 overall in HotS (1-0 in WoL and 2-0 in BW for TY, hehe)...
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