Rogue vs FanTaSy Game 1 Rogue vs FanTaSy Game 2 Rogue vs FanTaSy Game 3 PartinG vs GuMiho Game 1 PartinG vs GuMiho Game 2 PartinG vs GuMiho Game 3 Winners Match Game 1 Winners Match Game 2 Winners Match Game 3 Losers Match Game 1 Losers Match Game 2 Losers Match Game 3 Final Match Game 1 Final Match Game 2 Final Match Game 3
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rogue vs FanTaSy game 1?
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Poll: Recommend Rogue vs FanTaSy game 2?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (6)
75%
★★★- Good game (1)
13%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
13%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
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8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rogue vs FanTaSy game 2?
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Poll: Recommend Rogue vs FanTaSy game 3?
★★★- Good game (3)
75%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
25%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rogue vs FanTaSy game 3?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
22%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
11%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
6%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
18 total votes
Your vote: Recommend PartinG vs GuMiho game 1?
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Poll: Recommend PartinG vs GuMiho game 2?
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (13)
72%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (2)
11%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
11%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
6%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
18 total votes
Your vote: Recommend PartinG vs GuMiho game 2?
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Poll: Recommend PartinG vs GuMiho game 3?
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (4)
50%
★★★- Good game (3)
38%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
13%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend PartinG vs GuMiho game 3?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
2%
42 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rogue vs PartinG- game 1?
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Poll: Recommend Rogue vs PartinG game 2?
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (15)
65%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (7)
30%
★★★- Good game (1)
4%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
23 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rogue vs PartinG game 2?
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Poll: Recommend Rogue vs PartinG game 3?
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (5)
45%
★★★- Good game (3)
27%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
18%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
9%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rogue vs PartinG game 3?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend FanTaSy vs GuMiho game 1?
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Poll: Recommend FanTaSy vs GuMiho game 2?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (5)
83%
★★★- Good game (1)
17%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend FanTaSy vs GuMiho game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend FanTaSy vs GuMiho game 3?
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (7)
88%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
13%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend FanTaSy vs GuMiho game 3?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
13%
★★★- Good game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
8 total votes
Your vote: Recommend FanTaSy vs Rogue game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend FanTaSy vs Rogue game 2?
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (3)
43%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
14%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
14%
★★★- Good game (1)
14%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
14%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend FanTaSy vs Rogue game 2?
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Poll: Recommend FanTaSy vs Rogue game 3?
★★★★- Highly recommended game (7)
54%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
23%
★★★- Good game (2)
15%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
8%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend FanTaSy vs Rogue game 3?
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Definitely a tough group for old Fanta but he might get a shot at the final round. I see Parting making it through relatively easy with Rogue a close second spot. Lets do this terrorist Terran. Btw what is considered to be his best match up overall? I think his weakest is tvz but I might be wrong
On May 29 2015 00:46 mierin wrote: Come on Rogue, you're the only Z left.
curious and byul are still in mate
In a group with herO and Dream. That's as good as out of Code S, really.
Dream hype train reaching Dark/Sora levels. Whats he done apart from beating life a couple of times very nearly
He's been playing well and, as opposed to Dark and Sora, he actually reached the finals of one Korean Starleague this year; and he now reached the semis of that league again, which is just incredibly difficult.
I'm willing to sacrifice my soul for Fantasy to win Code S this season. I'll sacrifice something slightly less valuable for him to get out of the group.
PartinG, GuMiho, FanTaSy, and Roguein in GSL Code S Season 2 round of 16. This is the Group of Death! PartinG is at 100% Blizzcon Chances, with a 62.59% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 100%, or 100% if they lose. FanTaSy is at 67.06% Blizzcon Chances, with a 50.76% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 83.49%, or 50.12% if they lose. GuMiho is at 39.42% Blizzcon Chances, with a 41.38% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 59.47%, or 25.27% if they lose. Rogue is at 48.94% Blizzcon Chances, with a 45.28% chance to win this match. If they win their Blizzcon Chances go up to 69.25%, or 32.14% if they lose.
Maru has a 17.2% chance to win ----going from 100% to 100% if they get 1st, or 100% if they don't. PartinG has a 15.15% chance to win ----going from 100% to 100% if they get 1st, or 100% if they don't. herO has a 10.37% chance to win ----going from 100% to 100% if they get 1st, or 100% if they don't. Rain has a 7.98% chance to win ----going from 74.37% to 100% if they get 1st, or 72.14% if they don't. FanTaSy has a 7.58% chance to win ----going from 67.06% to 99.99% if they get 1st, or 64.36% if they don't. + Show Spoiler [More Winning Chances] +
INnoVation has a 6.19% chance to win ----going from 49.5% to 99.96% if they get 1st, or 46.17% if they don't. sOs has a 5.38% chance to win ----going from 24.69% to 94.46% if they get 1st, or 20.73% if they don't. Bbyong has a 4.99% chance to win ----going from 28.53% to 96.34% if they get 1st, or 24.97% if they don't. Rogue has a 4.99% chance to win ----going from 48.94% to 99.99% if they get 1st, or 46.26% if they don't. MyuNgSiK has a 4.87% chance to win ----going from 16.65% to 82.89% if they get 1st, or 13.25% if they don't. GuMiho has a 4.62% chance to win ----going from 39.42% to 99.84% if they get 1st, or 36.5% if they don't. ByuL has a 4.46% chance to win ----going from 38.74% to 99.35% if they get 1st, or 35.91% if they don't. Dream has a 4.46% chance to win ----going from 99.99% to 100% if they get 1st, or 99.99% if they don't. Curious has a 1.77% chance to win ----going from 2.7% to 43.59% if they get 1st, or 1.96% if they don't.
On May 29 2015 00:46 mierin wrote: Come on Rogue, you're the only Z left.
curious and byul are still in mate
In a group with herO and Dream. That's as good as out of Code S, really.
Dream hype train reaching Dark/Sora levels. Whats he done apart from beating life a couple of times very nearly
He's been playing well and, as opposed to Dark and Sora, he actually reached the finals of one Korean Starleague this year; and he now reached the semis of that league again, which is just incredibly difficult.
Dark went to the finals of KeSPA cup and took herO to all 7 games... he almost won.....
PartinG is the clear favourite imo, could 4-0 pretty easily.
I hope and believe Gumiho will advance in second place, but it will be tough since playing Parting first lowers his chances. Overall I feel anyone could take the second spot. Fun group!
[00:00] - Rogue spawns top left, Fantasy spawns bottom right
Rogue goes hatch first, and takes a gas Fantasy starts command centre first before his rax and a gas. fantasy scouts rogue and sees all orbital command on the way queens and a set of lings otw for rogue
[00:00] - Rogue spawns top left, Fantasy spawns bottom right
Rogue goes hatch first, and takes a gas Fantasy starts command centre first before his rax and a gas. fantasy scouts rogue and sees all orbital command on the way queens and a set of lings otw for rogue
[04:00] - factory begins for fantasy rogue gets an additional queen
[05:00] - Rogue has gone for a fast lair starport production immediately begins for fantasy alongside helion production
[06:00] - both players staying on two bases fantasy starts banshee production, begins cloak but cancels it a spire begins for Rogue.
[07:00] - Stim starts for fantasy additional rax production an Overseer scouts the main of Fantasy and Rogue Starts a 3rd Base
[08:00] - Speed starts for Rogue 7 Mutas on the way Fantasy getting 1/1 and starts building turrets fantasy scans the natural and sees mutas popping medivacs otw.
[00:00] - Rogue spawns top left, Fantasy spawns bottom right
Rogue goes hatch first, and takes a gas Fantasy starts command centre first before his rax and a gas. fantasy scouts rogue and sees all orbital command on the way queens and a set of lings otw for rogue
[04:00] - factory begins for fantasy rogue gets an additional queen
[05:00] - Rogue has gone for a fast lair starport production immediately begins for fantasy alongside helion production
[06:00] - both players staying on two bases fantasy starts banshee production, begins cloak but cancels it a spire begins for Rogue.
[07:00] - Stim starts for fantasy additional rax production an Overseer scouts the main of Fantasy and Rogue Starts a 3rd Base
[08:00] - Speed starts for Rogue 7 Mutas on the way Fantasy getting 1/1 and starts building turrets fantasy scans the natural and sees mutas popping medivacs otw.
[09:00] - good hellion harass from Fantasy and gets 6 drone kills , mutas have to come back and defend rogue starts 1/1 as fantasy finishes his up Baneling nest finishes and bane speed begins
[10:00] - little bit of muta harass but not much done, 4 worker kills Fantasy lands his 3rd CC and establishes it with turrets Rogue building 10 more mutas
[11:00] - Concussive Shell and 2/2 start for fantasy Rogue starts his 4th base
[12:00] - My stream froze hmm... I missed this part.
On May 29 2015 18:51 bo1b wrote: Tastosis confirming that mvp was bonjwa while simultaneously confirming the elephant theorem. My cognitive dissonance is at an all time high
[00:00] - Rogue spawns top left, Fantasy spawns bottom right
Rogue goes hatch first, and takes a gas Fantasy starts command centre first before his rax and a gas. fantasy scouts rogue and sees all orbital command on the way queens and a set of lings otw for rogue
[04:00] - factory begins for fantasy rogue gets an additional queen
[05:00] - Rogue has gone for a fast lair starport production immediately begins for fantasy alongside helion production
[06:00] - both players staying on two bases fantasy starts banshee production, begins cloak but cancels it a spire begins for Rogue.
[07:00] - Stim starts for fantasy additional rax production an Overseer scouts the main of Fantasy and Rogue Starts a 3rd Base
[08:00] - Speed starts for Rogue 7 Mutas on the way Fantasy getting 1/1 and starts building turrets fantasy scans the natural and sees mutas popping medivacs otw.
[09:00] - good hellion harass from Fantasy and gets 6 drone kills , mutas have to come back and defend rogue starts 1/1 as fantasy finishes his up Baneling nest finishes and bane speed begins
[10:00] - little bit of muta harass but not much done, 4 worker kills Fantasy lands his 3rd CC and establishes it with turrets Rogue building 10 more mutas
[11:00] - Concussive Shell and 2/2 start for fantasy Rogue starts his 4th base
[12:00] - My stream froze hmm... I missed this part.
[13:00] - ok we're back , I'm guessing it was just some harass thor production otw
[14:00] - 2/2 starts for rogue medivac drop to the main but rogue easily cleans it up Fantasy decides to push out to the 4th!
[15:00] - Fantasy with a good bio mine force with a couple of thors rogue on muta,ling bane. 2/2 still not finished for rogue! Drop to the main at the same time
[16:00] - ROGUE COMES TO ENGAGE THE MAIN ARMY! Great positioning of the thor!!!! and banes explode on it! Rogue just manages to clean up but at huge investment!
[17:00] - Fantasy keeps coming though, constant pressure ROGUE COMES AGAIN Fantasy positioning to well Rogue has nothing left now!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
9 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Rogue vs FanTaSy game 1?
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On May 29 2015 18:59 bo1b wrote: Have I been gone so long that rogue is now considered good? He was mediocre at best (for a korean pro) last time I saw him play
He's pretty good. Probably one of the better korean zergs right now, albeit underneath Life and ByuL.
On May 29 2015 18:59 bo1b wrote: Have I been gone so long that rogue is now considered good? He was mediocre at best (for a korean pro) last time I saw him play
he has moments of brilliance followed by a return to mediocrity. he's on the precipice.
On May 29 2015 18:59 bo1b wrote: Have I been gone so long that rogue is now considered good? He was mediocre at best (for a korean pro) last time I saw him play
He's a top 16 GM player on the Korean last for atleast 6 months. And he's quite good in PL too.
On May 29 2015 18:59 bo1b wrote: Have I been gone so long that rogue is now considered good? He was mediocre at best (for a korean pro) last time I saw him play
I dunno, how long were you gone?
He got top 8 last Code S and SSL, and he 3-killed CJ Entus in Proleague a few weeks ago.
On May 29 2015 18:59 bo1b wrote: Have I been gone so long that rogue is now considered good? He was mediocre at best (for a korean pro) last time I saw him play
Hm he's been top 5 zerg for about a year at least now imo.
On May 29 2015 18:59 bo1b wrote: Have I been gone so long that rogue is now considered good? He was mediocre at best (for a korean pro) last time I saw him play
Hm he's been top 5 zerg for about a year at least now imo.
Rogue made it to ro8/gsl ro8 this year. He's also one of the best proleague players.
I think its very obvious he's one of the strongest Zerg's
On May 29 2015 18:51 bo1b wrote: Tastosis confirming that mvp was bonjwa while simultaneously confirming the elephant theorem. My cognitive dissonance is at an all time high
damn dude, wish i could help.
they're not confirming the elephant theorem at all, since MVP (in the past), Life, Maru, Dream, Parting etc are on the top and are all coming from eSF. In the other hand Jaedong Bisu Jangbi, stork etc. are nowehre to be seen.
The thing is though, that the ones that are training in KeSPA teams today and play proleague seem to improve faster....
On May 29 2015 18:59 bo1b wrote: Have I been gone so long that rogue is now considered good? He was mediocre at best (for a korean pro) last time I saw him play
He's a top 16 GM player on the Korean last for atleast 6 months. And he's quite good in PL too.
On May 29 2015 18:58 Penev wrote: The Zerg genocide continues
Cant wait for a buff :D
i still don't understand the thought process behind the SH nerf. Oh hey let's change SH to the LoTV versions. It looks promising. Only for them to change the LoTV SH a little bit later.
On May 29 2015 18:58 Penev wrote: The Zerg genocide continues
Cant wait for a buff :D
Me too, I hope they increase the amount of locusts that swarm hosts spawn :D
If wol is any indication, Legacy released will be almost there when you'll get a buff. An infestor buff would be cool, like IT getting upgrades again or something quite strong like that
On May 29 2015 18:58 Penev wrote: The Zerg genocide continues
Cant wait for a buff :D
i still don't understand the thought process behind the SH nerf. Oh hey let's change SH to the LoTV versions. It looks promising. Only for them to change the LoTV SH a little bit later.
On May 29 2015 18:51 bo1b wrote: Tastosis confirming that mvp was bonjwa while simultaneously confirming the elephant theorem. My cognitive dissonance is at an all time high
damn dude, wish i could help.
they're not confirming the elephant theorem at all, since MVP (in the past), Life, Maru, Dream, Parting etc are on the top and are all coming from eSF. In the other hand Jaedong Bisu Jangbi, stork etc. are nowehre to be seen.
The thing is though, that the ones that are training in KeSPA teams today and play proleague seem to improve faster....
The second point was probably the point that the author was trying to convey
On May 29 2015 18:58 Penev wrote: The Zerg genocide continues
Cant wait for a buff :D
i still don't understand the thought process behind the SH nerf. Oh hey let's change SH to the LoTV versions. It looks promising. Only for them to change the LoTV SH a little bit later.
hard to understand blizzard sometimes
I gave up after the 2015 s1 maps. The only rational choice is that they're still clueless about a ton of stuff. And obsessed with statistics
On May 29 2015 18:51 bo1b wrote: Tastosis confirming that mvp was bonjwa while simultaneously confirming the elephant theorem. My cognitive dissonance is at an all time high
damn dude, wish i could help.
they're not confirming the elephant theorem at all, since MVP (in the past), Life, Maru, Dream, Parting etc are on the top and are all coming from eSF. In the other hand Jaedong Bisu Jangbi, stork etc. are nowehre to be seen.
The thing is though, that the ones that are training in KeSPA teams today and play proleague seem to improve faster....
The second point was probably the point that the author was trying to convey
He was actually saying that the greats of Brood War would eat every sc2 pro up like they were goldfish and the greats were sharks.
better to play on inferno pool/secret spring in wcs final yo
I don't know why you have brought this up, it is better to play on the newest maps than on the 2 years old crap.
terrible maps that are unplayable in some match ups except for some gimmicky 1base all in are worst than daybreak/overgrowth/kss staying forever. WCS map pool is the perfect exemple for an imbalanced joke.
On May 29 2015 18:51 bo1b wrote: Tastosis confirming that mvp was bonjwa while simultaneously confirming the elephant theorem. My cognitive dissonance is at an all time high
damn dude, wish i could help.
they're not confirming the elephant theorem at all, since MVP (in the past), Life, Maru, Dream, Parting etc are on the top and are all coming from eSF. In the other hand Jaedong Bisu Jangbi, stork etc. are nowehre to be seen.
The thing is though, that the ones that are training in KeSPA teams today and play proleague seem to improve faster....
The second point was probably the point that the author was trying to convey
He was actually saying that the greats of Brood War would eat every sc2 pro up like they were goldfish and the greats were sharks.
That's what he said at one point in the article, around about the same time he said that the competition was a farce in sc2 (which it was at the time of the article) and that kespa was the ultimate training machine.
It was a shit article and wrong about almost everyhing apart from the competition being a joke at the time and that kespa would step things up
I've really enjoyed the casting for the RO16 so far. Tastosis steps up when there are interesting players/games. Wasn't too big on some of the games casted during the RO32.
On May 29 2015 19:23 Alucen-Will- wrote: Rogue is such a sick player. It's a shame he doesn't get more respect
He gets quite a lot of respect, as he is considered to be among the best, probably top 5 Zergs right now.
His problem is inconsistency, but I can't really name one Zerg player today that is consistent.
I don't understand this. He's like 11-4 in proleague and has just finished ro8/ro8 in individual leagues.
Before that in 2014 he was a solid individual league player, albeit still a relative newcomer to elite level play.
so he has better results than dark who has been hyped to the moon and back.
I've been saying this for a long time but everybody hates me so I usually just shut up
tbh dark finally made a case for himself with kespa cup.
He made a case for himself when he crushed Maru at IEM Katowice after the casters/experts/whatever kept telling everyone that Maru is the best TvZ player in the world,
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
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Your vote: Recommend Rogue vs FanTaSy game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On May 29 2015 19:23 Alucen-Will- wrote: Rogue is such a sick player. It's a shame he doesn't get more respect
He gets quite a lot of respect, as he is considered to be among the best, probably top 5 Zergs right now.
His problem is inconsistency, but I can't really name one Zerg player today that is consistent.
I don't understand this. He's like 11-4 in proleague and has just finished ro8/ro8 in individual leagues.
Before that in 2014 he was a solid individual league player, albeit still a relative newcomer to elite level play.
What's that you don't understand? It doesn't make it less true though. He is able to crush some really good players like herO, only too look like a mediocre Korean in the next match against two times weaker opponent and to lose miserably.
On May 29 2015 19:23 Alucen-Will- wrote: Rogue is such a sick player. It's a shame he doesn't get more respect
He gets quite a lot of respect, as he is considered to be among the best, probably top 5 Zergs right now.
His problem is inconsistency, but I can't really name one Zerg player today that is consistent.
I don't understand this. He's like 11-4 in proleague and has just finished ro8/ro8 in individual leagues.
Before that in 2014 he was a solid individual league player, albeit still a relative newcomer to elite level play.
What's that you don't understand? It doesn't make it less true though. He is able to crush some really good players like herO, only too look like a mediocre Korean in the next match against two times weaker opponent and to lose miserably.
On May 29 2015 19:23 Alucen-Will- wrote: Rogue is such a sick player. It's a shame he doesn't get more respect
He gets quite a lot of respect, as he is considered to be among the best, probably top 5 Zergs right now.
His problem is inconsistency, but I can't really name one Zerg player today that is consistent.
I don't understand this. He's like 11-4 in proleague and has just finished ro8/ro8 in individual leagues.
Before that in 2014 he was a solid individual league player, albeit still a relative newcomer to elite level play.
What's that you don't understand? It doesn't make it less true though. He is able to crush some really good players like herO, only too look like a mediocre Korean in the next match against two times weaker opponent and to lose miserably.
It's true rogue is a very emotional player who will sometimes lose to lesser players, but I wouldn't call him inconsistent. Results are the most reasonable ways of looking at consistency, and rogue certainly has solid results
On May 29 2015 19:23 Alucen-Will- wrote: Rogue is such a sick player. It's a shame he doesn't get more respect
He gets quite a lot of respect, as he is considered to be among the best, probably top 5 Zergs right now.
His problem is inconsistency, but I can't really name one Zerg player today that is consistent.
I don't understand this. He's like 11-4 in proleague and has just finished ro8/ro8 in individual leagues.
Before that in 2014 he was a solid individual league player, albeit still a relative newcomer to elite level play.
so he has better results than dark who has been hyped to the moon and back.
I've been saying this for a long time but everybody hates me so I usually just shut up
tbh dark finally made a case for himself with kespa cup.
He made a case for himself when he crushed Maru at IEM Katowice after the casters/experts/whatever kept telling everyone that Maru is the best TvZ player in the world,
Yeah, pretty much. It is a bit hard to compare Dark to Rogue though. Dark is a player that has his style and usually does the same thing but has amazing mechanics. I wouldn't say that Rogue is on the same level mechanic-wise but is definitely more trickier player.
On May 29 2015 19:23 Alucen-Will- wrote: Rogue is such a sick player. It's a shame he doesn't get more respect
He gets quite a lot of respect, as he is considered to be among the best, probably top 5 Zergs right now.
His problem is inconsistency, but I can't really name one Zerg player today that is consistent.
I don't understand this. He's like 11-4 in proleague and has just finished ro8/ro8 in individual leagues.
Before that in 2014 he was a solid individual league player, albeit still a relative newcomer to elite level play.
What's that you don't understand? It doesn't make it less true though. He is able to crush some really good players like herO, only too look like a mediocre Korean in the next match against two times weaker opponent and to lose miserably.
i wonder if that inconsistency has just become a zerg thing. you sound like you could be talking about byul at this point. even last year zergs were weak with only soO being the last hope before Life made his comeback at the end of the year. but hey lets nerf SH because some people outside of korea like to play 3 hour games. i should stop before it becomes more balance whining for a race i don't even play.
On May 29 2015 19:23 Alucen-Will- wrote: Rogue is such a sick player. It's a shame he doesn't get more respect
He gets quite a lot of respect, as he is considered to be among the best, probably top 5 Zergs right now.
His problem is inconsistency, but I can't really name one Zerg player today that is consistent.
I don't understand this. He's like 11-4 in proleague and has just finished ro8/ro8 in individual leagues.
Before that in 2014 he was a solid individual league player, albeit still a relative newcomer to elite level play.
so he has better results than dark who has been hyped to the moon and back.
I've been saying this for a long time but everybody hates me so I usually just shut up
tbh dark finally made a case for himself with kespa cup.
He made a case for himself when he crushed Maru at IEM Katowice after the casters/experts/whatever kept telling everyone that Maru is the best TvZ player in the world,
Yeah, pretty much. It is a bit hard to compare Dark to Rogue though. Dark is a player that has his style and usually does the same thing but has amazing mechanics. I wouldn't say that Rogue is on the same level mechanic-wise but is definitely more trickier player.
It's true Dark has better mechanics than Rogue, but that isn't saying too much considering Dark's macro mechanics are pretty unreal. I say with only a subtle bias that Rogue's mechanics are easily one of the best among zerg players
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On May 29 2015 19:23 Alucen-Will- wrote: Rogue is such a sick player. It's a shame he doesn't get more respect
He gets quite a lot of respect, as he is considered to be among the best, probably top 5 Zergs right now.
His problem is inconsistency, but I can't really name one Zerg player today that is consistent.
I don't understand this. He's like 11-4 in proleague and has just finished ro8/ro8 in individual leagues.
Before that in 2014 he was a solid individual league player, albeit still a relative newcomer to elite level play.
so he has better results than dark who has been hyped to the moon and back.
He doesn't play a mutaless TvZ tho.
i was just trying to rile people up. dark is pretty transcendent in ZvT. plus it's fun to bash SKT players
but really Dark had some results (Kespa cup, IEM, ..) rogue only has a 3rd place at MSI beat it or something. The hype he gets matches the result he had, he's not overhyped, but not underhyped either.
I truly,truly don't understand sometimes pro players.......sometimes they are total noobs, they seem to lack the basics of sc2...and sometimes they are brilliant, with great mechanics and strategies.. weird world....weird game....weird everything else....
wasn't that pre SH patch when he was even losing to people like destiny?
It's form which takes into account his most recent games primarily (which are largely after the patch). It's also true that PartinG has been knocked out of the gsl a ton in the past by zerg players.
I'm not implying his PvZ is bad, only that Rogue has the best shot of knocking him out. Which I still find highly unlikely
wasn't that pre SH patch when he was even losing to people like destiny?
It's still by far his worst MU. E.g. he had minor trouble beating HyuN at Dreamhack while crushing Rain and GuMiho and he basically traded series with Hydra post SH-removal.
I'm not sure of specific stats atm, but I would actually like to see the current Korean PvZ winrate.
Even though theoretically Protoss should be fairly imbalanced, it feels that the maps are quite good for most zergs (although that has changed a bit of the very recent with the changed map pools/conflicting ones between proleague/individual leages)
Furthermore we're seeing a huge explosion in Zerg players taking gold bases in the MU, which has really made the protoss players lives quite a bit tougher.
A week or so ago, Elky got coached by Sjow in Hearthstone. Was quite entertaining to watch. Elky was ~rank 5 iirc (maybe diamond-master league in SC2 terms).
On May 29 2015 19:49 bo1b wrote: I dont recognize like 80% of the people in this thread. What happened to lichter and stuchiu and olli and MrCon and so on
They're still around!
And I like this straight up bio play from Gumiho. Hope he doesn't die to the blink, so tough to defend the blink into back of natural.
On May 29 2015 19:49 bo1b wrote: I dont recognize like 80% of the people in this thread. What happened to lichter and stuchiu and olli and MrCon and so on
Meh I used to love MMA but I hate how they started marketing the sport and the demographic they have begun targeting. Still tune in for some fighters though.
On May 29 2015 19:49 bo1b wrote: I dont recognize like 80% of the people in this thread. What happened to lichter and stuchiu and olli and MrCon and so on
Lichter disappeared from the face of the earth.
Stuchiu is probably writing an article about Rogue beating Fantasy.
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On May 29 2015 19:49 bo1b wrote: I dont recognize like 80% of the people in this thread. What happened to lichter and stuchiu and olli and MrCon and so on
On May 29 2015 19:49 bo1b wrote: I dont recognize like 80% of the people in this thread. What happened to lichter and stuchiu and olli and MrCon and so on
On May 29 2015 19:52 dazed25 wrote: Meh I used to love MMA but I hate how they started marketing the sport and the demographic they have begun targeting. Still tune in for some fighters though.
On May 29 2015 19:53 polpot wrote: Parting cheesing, how surprising!
That was cheese?.........Gumiho only [b]had to scout!!!...or just a fucking 6 min scan...but why do that.....the MULE is better more money , more gold.....
On May 29 2015 19:53 polpot wrote: Parting cheesing, how surprising!
That wasn't even cheese, GuMiho died to pressure.
tbh gumi is a fraud, shouldn't get out of the group :D
Only someone who forgot the glorious day of gumiho all killing slayers on the grand final of the gstl right as slayers got some fresh new uniforms would say that
On May 29 2015 19:53 polpot wrote: Parting cheesing, how surprising!
That wasn't even cheese, GuMiho died to pressure.
tbh gumi is a fraud, shouldn't get out of the group :D
Only someone who forgot the glorious day of gumiho all killing slayers on the grand final of the gstl right as slayers got some fresh new uniforms would say that
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On May 29 2015 19:53 polpot wrote: Parting cheesing, how surprising!
That wasn't even cheese, GuMiho died to pressure.
tbh gumi is a fraud, shouldn't get out of the group :D
Only someone who forgot the glorious day of gumiho all killing slayers on the grand final of the gstl right as slayers got some fresh new uniforms would say that
the only glorious game was the 1st. And Boss being so happy
To be honest I'm shocked gumiho went for the bunker rush vs a protoss lol, the addition of the msc makes that seem like the zerg equivalent of a 6 pool vs terran.
On May 29 2015 20:00 Serimek wrote: PartinG is a monster at micro.
He totally mis-microed his stalkers and his Msc at different points.
Well, not when I was watching
I'm just glancing from time to time, and was reffering to both games. What amaze me the more is his capacity too pulling probes just when it's needed and with the right number needed.
On May 29 2015 20:03 bo1b wrote: To be honest I'm shocked gumiho went for the bunker rush vs a protoss lol, the addition of the msc makes that seem like the zerg equivalent of a 6 pool vs terran.
Eh, against the slightly greedier msc expand that parting likes to do its not bad (considering parting doesn't scout very much in the matchup).
Most protoss players will likely tell you doing that build against an 11/11 with no scout is pretty tough to hold.
edit: PartinG killed the scv building the bunker twice I think which pretty much won him the game. He also did a really good job of pulling probes almost perfectly to delay until the msc popped.
I doubt many other players would have held. Maybe Rain or herO would have held
Gumiho wtf...i'm so angry today... PRO player my ass.... Really now, you are a GSL CODE S RO16 player...prepare something vs your opponent, try at least to surprise him, you are getting paid for this stuff...don't just fucking 2 rax..... Gratz to Parting a real pro player!!!!
On May 29 2015 20:04 cheekymonkey wrote: Reading a random reddit thread (dont ask why) and people are claiming Wolf (jokefully) proposed to sojung? Can anyone verify that?
Ah ah. Does that mean she refuses since she's not around anymore ?
On May 29 2015 20:04 curutcis wrote: Gumiho wtf...i'm so angry today... PRO player my ass.... Really now, you are a GSL CODE S RO16 player...prepare something vs your opponent, try at least to surprise him, you are getting paid for this stuff...don't just fucking 2 rax..... Gratz to Parting a real pro player!!!!
yo man you know how mvp won that one gsl back then?
On May 29 2015 20:04 cheekymonkey wrote: Reading a random reddit thread (dont ask why) and people are claiming Wolf (jokefully) proposed to sojung? Can anyone verify that?
Ah ah. Does that mean she refuses since she's not around anymore ?
On May 29 2015 20:04 curutcis wrote: Gumiho wtf...i'm so angry today... PRO player my ass.... Really now, you are a GSL CODE S RO16 player...prepare something vs your opponent, try at least to surprise him, you are getting paid for this stuff...don't just fucking 2 rax..... Gratz to Parting a real pro player!!!!
yeh....no pro player ever 2 rax'd a protoss player ever
On May 29 2015 20:03 bo1b wrote: To be honest I'm shocked gumiho went for the bunker rush vs a protoss lol, the addition of the msc makes that seem like the zerg equivalent of a 6 pool vs terran.
Eh, against the slightly greedier msc expand that parting likes to do its not bad (considering parting doesn't scout very much in the matchup).
Most protoss players will likely tell you doing that build against an 11/11 with no scout is pretty tough to hold.
Most 11/11s vP I've seen recently have worked. Maru vs Creator, Maru vs Zest, Fantasy vs Rain.
On May 29 2015 20:04 curutcis wrote: Gumiho wtf...i'm so angry today... PRO player my ass.... Really now, you are a GSL CODE S RO16 player...prepare something vs your opponent, try at least to surprise him, you are getting paid for this stuff...don't just fucking 2 rax..... Gratz to Parting a real pro player!!!!
yeh....no pro player ever 2 rax'd a protoss player ever
On May 29 2015 20:03 bo1b wrote: To be honest I'm shocked gumiho went for the bunker rush vs a protoss lol, the addition of the msc makes that seem like the zerg equivalent of a 6 pool vs terran.
Eh, against the slightly greedier msc expand that parting likes to do its not bad (considering parting doesn't scout very much in the matchup).
Most protoss players will likely tell you doing that build against an 11/11 with no scout is pretty tough to hold.
Most 11/11s vP I've seen recently have worked. Maru vs Creator, Maru vs Zest, Fantasy vs Rain.
Yeah. It's worth noting that the opener PartinG does is the most greedy, (outside of a nexus first obviously) which makes the defense much more difficult.
On May 29 2015 20:04 curutcis wrote: Gumiho wtf...i'm so angry today... PRO player my ass.... Really now, you are a GSL CODE S RO16 player...prepare something vs your opponent, try at least to surprise him, you are getting paid for this stuff...don't just fucking 2 rax..... Gratz to Parting a real pro player!!!!
yo man you know how mvp won that one gsl back then?
Yea but still...that was then... this is know ....you cannot 2 rax +bunker rush Parting.......it's fucking Parting. In the end the result remains but sometimes how you get to that result is more important.Today Parting 2-0 Gumiho.......and it seemd like Parting "didn't break a sweat" on holding the rush... it seemd....
On May 29 2015 20:04 curutcis wrote: Gumiho wtf...i'm so angry today... PRO player my ass.... Really now, you are a GSL CODE S RO16 player...prepare something vs your opponent, try at least to surprise him, you are getting paid for this stuff...don't just fucking 2 rax..... Gratz to Parting a real pro player!!!!
yo man you know how mvp won that one gsl back then?
Yea but still...that was then... this is know ....you cannot 2 rax +bunker rush Parting.......it's fucking Parting. In the end the result remains but sometimes how you get to that result is more important.Today Parting 2-0 Gumiho.......and it seemd like Parting "didn't break a sweat" on holding the rush... it seemd....
I see you put a lot of thought into your posts but I have to respectfully disagree with anything you have posted or will post in the future till the end of time.
On May 29 2015 20:11 FakePseudo wrote: Anyobody know the name and artist of the "soul-pop" song that goes "There is no rest for the wicked" or sometg like that? (Female voice)
On May 29 2015 20:04 curutcis wrote: Gumiho wtf...i'm so angry today... PRO player my ass.... Really now, you are a GSL CODE S RO16 player...prepare something vs your opponent, try at least to surprise him, you are getting paid for this stuff...don't just fucking 2 rax..... Gratz to Parting a real pro player!!!!
yo man you know how mvp won that one gsl back then?
Yea but still...that was then... this is know ....you cannot 2 rax +bunker rush Parting.......it's fucking Parting. In the end the result remains but sometimes how you get to that result is more important.Today Parting 2-0 Gumiho.......and it seemd like Parting "didn't break a sweat" on holding the rush... it seemd....
I'd argue the opposite, beat parting early or he will impose his will on you
On May 29 2015 20:04 curutcis wrote: Gumiho wtf...i'm so angry today... PRO player my ass.... Really now, you are a GSL CODE S RO16 player...prepare something vs your opponent, try at least to surprise him, you are getting paid for this stuff...don't just fucking 2 rax..... Gratz to Parting a real pro player!!!!
yeh....no pro player ever 2 rax'd a protoss player ever
On May 29 2015 20:11 FakePseudo wrote: Anyobody know the name and artist of the "soul-pop" song that goes "There is no rest for the wicked" or sometg like that? (Female voice)
You mean the one that played in the break? Charley Ann - No Sleep for the Wicked.
On May 29 2015 20:04 curutcis wrote: Gumiho wtf...i'm so angry today... PRO player my ass.... Really now, you are a GSL CODE S RO16 player...prepare something vs your opponent, try at least to surprise him, you are getting paid for this stuff...don't just fucking 2 rax..... Gratz to Parting a real pro player!!!!
yo man you know how mvp won that one gsl back then?
Yea but still...that was then... this is know ....you cannot 2 rax +bunker rush Parting.......it's fucking Parting. In the end the result remains but sometimes how you get to that result is more important.Today Parting 2-0 Gumiho.......and it seemd like Parting "didn't break a sweat" on holding the rush... it seemd....
I see you put a lot of thought into your posts but I have to respectfully disagree with anything you have posted or will post in the future till the end of time.
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On May 29 2015 20:25 DJHelium wrote: I'm not sure at what point Rogue can transition in this game. Maybe he can add spines at the gold, but adding hydras seems like a sure way to die.
Spines and maybe some more Queens... or an extra macro hatch or something, so he can realize a flood of lings easier
On May 29 2015 20:28 RaFox17 wrote: 4 bases to 2 and one of them was gold. Parting played brilliantly but i still call bullshit on blink stalkers vs zerg.
On May 29 2015 20:28 RaFox17 wrote: 4 bases to 2 and one of them was gold. Parting played brilliantly but i still call bullshit on blink stalkers vs zerg.
there is one zerg in the top 15 of the korean ladder, as well as 25% overall, i guess theres at least some hope that blizzard might recognize sooner than later
On May 29 2015 20:27 Baadbeat wrote: No surround no win! Impressive from PartinG nonetheless
What? :D Yeah, like you could surround efficiently on that map. Oh yeah and he has blink, he doesn't give a fuck about surround.
Rogue did have some good surrounds, but vs blink it's just not effective. Parting just sections off one part of the surround with forcefields and time warp and blinks towards and engages the other part.
On May 29 2015 20:28 RaFox17 wrote: 4 bases to 2 and one of them was gold. Parting played brilliantly but i still call bullshit on blink stalkers vs zerg.
there is one zerg in the top 15 of the korean ladder, as well as 25% overall, i guess theres at least some hope that blizzard might recognize sooner than later
please. they will just throw statistics back at you about how zerg winrates are 50%.
On May 29 2015 20:29 KelsierSC wrote: I think Rogue did a good job baiting the force fields out , but there was just too many of them and the army was too cost efficient.
I am not sure why he even baited those Force Fields out when he had burrow moving Roaches. He just kept losing them and at the point he went in with burrow to snipe Sentries and Immortals he has lost quite a few of them.
On May 29 2015 20:27 Baadbeat wrote: No surround no win! Impressive from PartinG nonetheless
What? :D Yeah, like you could surround efficiently on that map. Oh yeah and he has blink, he doesn't give a fuck about surround.
Surround is the only way to counter blink imo. He had the time to surround when parting was underneath the gold. And with the surround Parting has to use way more FF, his obs for blink can be missplaced etc...
On May 29 2015 20:29 KelsierSC wrote: I think Rogue did a good job baiting the force fields out , but there was just too many of them and the army was too cost efficient.
I am not sure why he even baited those Force Fields out when he had burrow moving Roaches. He just kept losing them and at the point he went in with burrow to snipe Sentries and Immortals he has lost quite a few of them.
He was perma 200 for the whole time until protoss gathered too much momentum. At that point, any trade, even really bad is actually good for zerg
On May 29 2015 20:27 Baadbeat wrote: No surround no win! Impressive from PartinG nonetheless
What? :D Yeah, like you could surround efficiently on that map. Oh yeah and he has blink, he doesn't give a fuck about surround.
Surround is the only way to counter blink imo. He had the time to surround when parting was underneath the gold. And with the surround Parting has to use way more FF, his obs for blink can be missplaced etc...
he was up 70 supply and had burrow. he definitely had a chance. but PartinG played it really smart by making Rogue think he was going for the 3rd.
On May 29 2015 20:28 RaFox17 wrote: 4 bases to 2 and one of them was gold. Parting played brilliantly but i still call bullshit on blink stalkers vs zerg.
He got the 4th base so fast by not teching up, so his army was just too weak.
I thought PartinG made a mistake when he sacrificed the sentry/immo portion of his game 1 army, but the Stalkers were so resilient it was an impressive decision.
On May 29 2015 20:27 Baadbeat wrote: No surround no win! Impressive from PartinG nonetheless
What? :D Yeah, like you could surround efficiently on that map. Oh yeah and he has blink, he doesn't give a fuck about surround.
Surround is the only way to counter blink imo. He had the time to surround when parting was underneath the gold. And with the surround Parting has to use way more FF, his obs for blink can be missplaced etc...
he was up 70 supply and had burrow. he definitely had a chance. but PartinG played it really smart by making Rogue think he was going for the 3rd.
On May 29 2015 20:29 KelsierSC wrote: I think Rogue did a good job baiting the force fields out , but there was just too many of them and the army was too cost efficient.
I am not sure why he even baited those Force Fields out when he had burrow moving Roaches. He just kept losing them and at the point he went in with burrow to snipe Sentries and Immortals he has lost quite a few of them.
He was perma 200 for the whole time until protoss gathered too much momentum. At that point, any trade, even really bad is actually good for zerg
Being 200 in army, and being 200 while having like 20-30 in eggs is different story.
On May 29 2015 20:29 KelsierSC wrote: I think Rogue did a good job baiting the force fields out , but there was just too many of them and the army was too cost efficient.
I am not sure why he even baited those Force Fields out when he had burrow moving Roaches. He just kept losing them and at the point he went in with burrow to snipe Sentries and Immortals he has lost quite a few of them.
He was perma 200 for the whole time until protoss gathered too much momentum. At that point, any trade, even really bad is actually good for zerg
Being 200 in army, and being 200 while having like 20-30 in eggs is different story.
Are you really gonna argue that zerg shouldn't take nearly any trade he can in such a situation?
On May 29 2015 20:28 RaFox17 wrote: 4 bases to 2 and one of them was gold. Parting played brilliantly but i still call bullshit on blink stalkers vs zerg.
there is one zerg in the top 15 of the korean ladder, as well as 25% overall, i guess theres at least some hope that blizzard might recognize sooner than later
please. they will just throw statistics back at you about how zerg winrates are 50%.
winrates are always 50% in ladder except at the top. and they use this argument all the time.
On May 29 2015 20:27 Baadbeat wrote: No surround no win! Impressive from PartinG nonetheless
What? :D Yeah, like you could surround efficiently on that map. Oh yeah and he has blink, he doesn't give a fuck about surround.
Surround is the only way to counter blink imo. He had the time to surround when parting was underneath the gold. And with the surround Parting has to use way more FF, his obs for blink can be missplaced etc...
he was up 70 supply and had burrow. he definitely had a chance. but PartinG played it really smart by making Rogue think he was going for the 3rd.
True true, I was only talking about the last 5-10 mins I didn't see the begining of the game tbh.
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On May 29 2015 20:29 KelsierSC wrote: I think Rogue did a good job baiting the force fields out , but there was just too many of them and the army was too cost efficient.
I am not sure why he even baited those Force Fields out when he had burrow moving Roaches. He just kept losing them and at the point he went in with burrow to snipe Sentries and Immortals he has lost quite a few of them.
He was perma 200 for the whole time until protoss gathered too much momentum. At that point, any trade, even really bad is actually good for zerg
Being 200 in army, and being 200 while having like 20-30 in eggs is different story.
Are you really gonna argue that zerg shouldn't take nearly any trade he can in such a situation?
Were you watching the same game as me? He didn't trade, he was donating Roaches and lings for few Force Fields that didn't matter in the end at all because he had burrow movement. He had a chance to kill Parting when Parting didn't have a 30 Stalkers, he didn't take that chance and was just "baiting" Force Fields while losing Roaches and Lings. In the end Parting snowballed out of control, that's it.
On May 29 2015 20:42 sAsImre wrote: that casting is really good btw, it's a special day or they get way too muche flake for what they're doing ?
their casting has really stepped up since beginning of RO16. maybe it's because of the quality of players and games they are casting. or maybe they took some of the criticism constructively rather than getting defensive over it. firing on all cylinders today
On May 29 2015 20:29 KelsierSC wrote: I think Rogue did a good job baiting the force fields out , but there was just too many of them and the army was too cost efficient.
I am not sure why he even baited those Force Fields out when he had burrow moving Roaches. He just kept losing them and at the point he went in with burrow to snipe Sentries and Immortals he has lost quite a few of them.
He was perma 200 for the whole time until protoss gathered too much momentum. At that point, any trade, even really bad is actually good for zerg
Being 200 in army, and being 200 while having like 20-30 in eggs is different story.
Are you really gonna argue that zerg shouldn't take nearly any trade he can in such a situation?
Were you watching the same game as me? He didn't trade, he was donating Roaches and lings for few Force Fields that didn't matter in the end at all because he had burrow movement. He had a chance to kill Parting when Parting didn't have a 30 Stalkers, he didn't take that chance and was just "baiting" Force Fields while losing Roaches and Lings. In the end Parting snowballed out of control, that's it.
But if he doesn't back off with everything, he will just get part of his army sectioned out and the rest killed off nearly for free. 15 roaches vs 20 blink stalkers wont give you any good trade, it will be a slaughter that favors the protoss.
I think Rogue did a good job baiting the forcefields.
On May 29 2015 20:29 KelsierSC wrote: I think Rogue did a good job baiting the force fields out , but there was just too many of them and the army was too cost efficient.
I am not sure why he even baited those Force Fields out when he had burrow moving Roaches. He just kept losing them and at the point he went in with burrow to snipe Sentries and Immortals he has lost quite a few of them.
He was perma 200 for the whole time until protoss gathered too much momentum. At that point, any trade, even really bad is actually good for zerg
Being 200 in army, and being 200 while having like 20-30 in eggs is different story.
Are you really gonna argue that zerg shouldn't take nearly any trade he can in such a situation?
Were you watching the same game as me? He didn't trade, he was donating Roaches and lings for few Force Fields that didn't matter in the end at all because he had burrow movement. He had a chance to kill Parting when Parting didn't have a 30 Stalkers, he didn't take that chance and was just "baiting" Force Fields while losing Roaches and Lings. In the end Parting snowballed out of control, that's it.
If your point is that he should've stayed with the trapped roach and try to kill something rather than burrow and get out, I might actually fully agree on that. But you gotta try something.
Also yeah those kind of push you gotta take fights asap but he did the best job at it he could I thought
On May 29 2015 20:43 c0ldfusion wrote: I know PartinG is good. Nobody denies that but it really feels like Tastosis is riding his dick a little too hard.
On May 29 2015 20:42 sAsImre wrote: that casting is really good btw, it's a special day or they get way too muche flake for what they're doing ?
their casting has really stepped up since beginning of RO16. maybe it's because of the quality of players and games they are casting. or maybe they took some of the criticism constructively rather than getting defensive over it. firing on all cylinders today
at this level they're just unbeatable lol, korean traduction + fun/banter + perfect chemistry and good commentary of the games, what else do you want
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
it's not, parting played really well and rogue made a few mistakes that proved fatal.
It gives me the same feeling as mid-late game TvP. Small mistakes from the protoss doesn't mean a lot but small mistakes from the non-protoss can lose you the game.
I think ZvP is a very unforgiving matchup atm.
Rogue can still make it out, but Gumiho will be a tough opponent!
On May 29 2015 20:45 ZackAttack wrote: Why are all these zergs so mad? Parting worked him in every way, and pretty much any other protoss in the world would have died.
On May 29 2015 20:29 KelsierSC wrote: I think Rogue did a good job baiting the force fields out , but there was just too many of them and the army was too cost efficient.
I am not sure why he even baited those Force Fields out when he had burrow moving Roaches. He just kept losing them and at the point he went in with burrow to snipe Sentries and Immortals he has lost quite a few of them.
He was perma 200 for the whole time until protoss gathered too much momentum. At that point, any trade, even really bad is actually good for zerg
Being 200 in army, and being 200 while having like 20-30 in eggs is different story.
Are you really gonna argue that zerg shouldn't take nearly any trade he can in such a situation?
Were you watching the same game as me? He didn't trade, he was donating Roaches and lings for few Force Fields that didn't matter in the end at all because he had burrow movement. He had a chance to kill Parting when Parting didn't have a 30 Stalkers, he didn't take that chance and was just "baiting" Force Fields while losing Roaches and Lings. In the end Parting snowballed out of control, that's it.
But if he doesn't back off with everything, he will just get part of his army sectioned out and the rest killed off nearly for free. 15 roaches vs 20 blink stalkers wont give you any good trade, it will be a slaughter that favors the protoss.
I think Rogue did a good job baiting the forcefields.
My whole point is that he didn't need to bait Force Fields when he could've just attacked with 200 supply Roach burrow army. He would've killed every Sentry and Immortal, just like he did in that engagement, but with far less losses because Parting didn't have that big Stalker army then. What he did was baiting Force Fields while getting shredded by Immortals and Stalkers and eventually Parting's army got to big because Rogue wasn't doing anything but baiting Force Fields.
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
I feel the same... I know PartinG is good, but that style has just no answer.
It has, but rogue has got no result for a reason, he can beat the likes of Fantasy, but when it comes to competing with players like parting, he just doesn't have what it takes (yet)
On May 29 2015 20:43 c0ldfusion wrote: I know PartinG is good. Nobody denies that but it really feels like Tastosis is riding his dick a little too hard.
herO and maru should be able to take him down
Since PartinG's PvT is like >90% win rate, I think Maru doesn't have a chance. And now that life is out, PartinG really has a chance to win. But I'm favoring herO and maybe Maru (if PartinG gets eliminated by someone else)
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
it's not, parting played really well and rogue made a few mistakes that proved fatal.
It gives me the same feeling as mid-late game TvP. Small mistakes from the protoss doesn't mean a lot but small mistakes from the non-protoss can lose you the game.
I think ZvP is a very unforgiving matchup atm.
Rogue can still make it out, but Gumiho will be a tough opponent!
Zergs really should more effort and not just build roaches and a-move. Tbh, their game plan is really lacking.
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
it's not, parting played really well and rogue made a few mistakes that proved fatal.
It gives me the same feeling as mid-late game TvP. Small mistakes from the protoss doesn't mean a lot but small mistakes from the non-protoss can lose you the game.
I think ZvP is a very unforgiving matchup atm.
Rogue can still make it out, but Gumiho will be a tough opponent!
Zergs really should more effort and not just build roaches and a-move. Tbh, their game plan is really lacking.
On May 29 2015 20:29 KelsierSC wrote: I think Rogue did a good job baiting the force fields out , but there was just too many of them and the army was too cost efficient.
I am not sure why he even baited those Force Fields out when he had burrow moving Roaches. He just kept losing them and at the point he went in with burrow to snipe Sentries and Immortals he has lost quite a few of them.
He was perma 200 for the whole time until protoss gathered too much momentum. At that point, any trade, even really bad is actually good for zerg
Being 200 in army, and being 200 while having like 20-30 in eggs is different story.
Are you really gonna argue that zerg shouldn't take nearly any trade he can in such a situation?
Were you watching the same game as me? He didn't trade, he was donating Roaches and lings for few Force Fields that didn't matter in the end at all because he had burrow movement. He had a chance to kill Parting when Parting didn't have a 30 Stalkers, he didn't take that chance and was just "baiting" Force Fields while losing Roaches and Lings. In the end Parting snowballed out of control, that's it.
But if he doesn't back off with everything, he will just get part of his army sectioned out and the rest killed off nearly for free. 15 roaches vs 20 blink stalkers wont give you any good trade, it will be a slaughter that favors the protoss.
I think Rogue did a good job baiting the forcefields.
My whole point is that he didn't need to bait Force Fields when he could've just attacked with 200 supply Roach burrow army. He would've killed every Sentry and Immortal, just like he did in that engagement, but with far less losses because Parting didn't have that big Stalker army then. What he did was baiting Force Fields while getting shredded by Immortals and Stalkers and eventually Parting's army got to big because Rogue wasn't doing anything but baiting Force Fields.
Well I disagree, I think he would've gotten crushed in an engagement with that many forcefields. The reason he could kill sentries/immortals is because Parting was out of forcefields. If he's not he can just start to back off as soon as Rogue starts to burrow and keep putting up forcefield walls.
On May 29 2015 20:47 newtii wrote: Zergs really should more effort and not just build roaches and a-move. Tbh, their game plan is really lacking.
He wasn't just a-moving, he was constantly running back and forth baiting forcefields, trying to get surrounds and utilizing burrow.
Speaking of game 1 now, Rogue just can't transition away from massing roaches because then Parting will notice that Rogue doesn't have enough army and just kill him.
Sometimes these ff blink wins appear kind of "broken" or w/e but that first game.. I don't see how you dont appreciate the amazing display of skill from Parting. I have heard people talk about bw having mechanics that enable you to outplay an opponent even from a bad position or with fewer units (which SC2 sometimes lack?) and imo it's great to see a player spending so much time perfecting his control and decision making with a specific unit comp. Very happy to have Parting exploiting protoss to the fullest
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
I feel the same... I know PartinG is good, but that style has just no answer.
It has, but rogue has got no result for a reason, he can beat the likes of Fantasy, but when it comes to competing with players like parting, he just doesn't have what it takes (yet)
I've seen Z attempt everything against that, infestors, fast ultras, spire, ling roach pressure, hydra ling, 2 base burrow. Everything. I fail to see something that works consistently.
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
it's not, parting played really well and rogue made a few mistakes that proved fatal.
It gives me the same feeling as mid-late game TvP. Small mistakes from the protoss doesn't mean a lot but small mistakes from the non-protoss can lose you the game.
I think ZvP is a very unforgiving matchup atm.
Rogue can still make it out, but Gumiho will be a tough opponent!
Zergs really should more effort and not just build roaches and a-move. Tbh, their game plan is really lacking.
Are you and the other guy who spams ellipsis everywhere the same zergtears trollbait? Because it definitely starts to look like it
It isnt that this style is unbeatable. Rouge lost because he lost his overseer. If he had that he could have a moved and won easy in that first attack.
Dont whine about forcefields, whine about zerg's lack of micro potential. In current meta first non a-move thing zerg has is pretty much hive tech, while almost every unit protoss has has some kind of active or spell-esque ability. Players have gotten so much better after WoL that nowadays players can just thrive out of talent and being better in the game.
LotV units address this for all races, so direction they are taking seems good. Best players should win.
On May 29 2015 20:48 Video2000 wrote: Sometimes these ff blink wins appear kind of "broken" or w/e but that first game.. I don't see how you dont appreciate the amazing display of skill from Parting. I have heard people talk about bw having mechanics that enable you to outplay an opponent even from a bad position or with fewer units (which SC2 sometimes lack?) and imo it's great to see a player spending so much time perfecting his control and decision making with a specific unit comp. Very happy to have Parting exploiting protoss to the fullest
It is amazing play by him no doubt, just wish there was a reliable counter play to stuff like that. But there is hoping LoTV will change that
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
it's not, parting played really well and rogue made a few mistakes that proved fatal.
It gives me the same feeling as mid-late game TvP. Small mistakes from the protoss doesn't mean a lot but small mistakes from the non-protoss can lose you the game.
I think ZvP is a very unforgiving matchup atm.
Rogue can still make it out, but Gumiho will be a tough opponent!
Zergs really should more effort and not just build roaches and a-move. Tbh, their game plan is really lacking.
Did you watch the second game?
Taking game ending damage by DTs because not bothering to scout? Making a horrible attack, part of the army shooting Nexus, shredded by forcefields and storms?
On May 29 2015 20:47 kaykoose wrote: Parting makes protoss look OP. He should finally win a GSL this season
Life was the biggest obstacle for that and he's out. I feel like herO and Rain might have a slight chance but he's still massively favored (other than the loss to herO). Maybe Dream if his TvP is really as good as his stats suggest. I personally don't think so but we'll see. Myungsik beat him RO32... Oh god myungsik as GSL champion would be hilarious.
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
it's not, parting played really well and rogue made a few mistakes that proved fatal.
It gives me the same feeling as mid-late game TvP. Small mistakes from the protoss doesn't mean a lot but small mistakes from the non-protoss can lose you the game.
I think ZvP is a very unforgiving matchup atm.
Rogue can still make it out, but Gumiho will be a tough opponent!
Zergs really should more effort and not just build roaches and a-move. Tbh, their game plan is really lacking.
I don't know if you believe what you are writing but it comes across as you trying to "bait" anger out of zerg players. I think the thread as a whole would prefer if you didn't do that. I see by your post count that you are new to the TL community so maybe you are just unfamiliar with the rules and environment of this website.
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
it's not, parting played really well and rogue made a few mistakes that proved fatal.
Agreed, PartinG played amazing and I loved watching him do what he did, because I'm sure not many Protoss players could pull it off as well as he did. I just wish that the Zerg could do more to actively combat the Protoss. I know it's pretty balanced around the fact that it's really hard to pull off what PartinG did so this is not intended as a comment on balance, but watching helplessly while your much bigger army slowly dies is the worst feeling there is.
On May 29 2015 20:29 KelsierSC wrote: I think Rogue did a good job baiting the force fields out , but there was just too many of them and the army was too cost efficient.
I am not sure why he even baited those Force Fields out when he had burrow moving Roaches. He just kept losing them and at the point he went in with burrow to snipe Sentries and Immortals he has lost quite a few of them.
He was perma 200 for the whole time until protoss gathered too much momentum. At that point, any trade, even really bad is actually good for zerg
Being 200 in army, and being 200 while having like 20-30 in eggs is different story.
Are you really gonna argue that zerg shouldn't take nearly any trade he can in such a situation?
Were you watching the same game as me? He didn't trade, he was donating Roaches and lings for few Force Fields that didn't matter in the end at all because he had burrow movement. He had a chance to kill Parting when Parting didn't have a 30 Stalkers, he didn't take that chance and was just "baiting" Force Fields while losing Roaches and Lings. In the end Parting snowballed out of control, that's it.
But if he doesn't back off with everything, he will just get part of his army sectioned out and the rest killed off nearly for free. 15 roaches vs 20 blink stalkers wont give you any good trade, it will be a slaughter that favors the protoss.
I think Rogue did a good job baiting the forcefields.
My whole point is that he didn't need to bait Force Fields when he could've just attacked with 200 supply Roach burrow army. He would've killed every Sentry and Immortal, just like he did in that engagement, but with far less losses because Parting didn't have that big Stalker army then. What he did was baiting Force Fields while getting shredded by Immortals and Stalkers and eventually Parting's army got to big because Rogue wasn't doing anything but baiting Force Fields.
Well I disagree, I think he would've gotten crushed in an engagement with that many forcefields. The reason he could kill sentries/immortals is because Parting was out of forcefields. If he's not he can just start to back off as soon as Rogue starts to burrow and keep putting up forcefield walls.
And still wouldn't kill as many Roaches as he did in the end because his army was a lot larger. Parting had like 100-110 supply while Rogue was almost maxed when that attack happened, IIRC the moment Rogue literally engaged on Parting and killed his Sentries and Immortals, Parting was at ~150 supply, that's like 40 additional supply of Stalkers.
Seriously though, is PartinG better than herO right now (hard to distinguish IMO)? PartinG lost to Soulkey on cheese, is it impossible that something like that happens in this GSL?
On May 29 2015 20:50 temporary1 wrote: Dont whine about forcefields, whine about zerg's lack of micro potential. In current meta first non a-move thing zerg has is pretty much hive tech, while almost every unit protoss has has some kind of active or spell-esque ability. Players have gotten so much better after WoL that nowadays players can just thrive out of talent and being better in the game.
LotV units address this for all races, so direction they are taking seems good. Best players should win.
Well in some way burrow + FFbait + Army positionning is some kind of micro but I believe Rogue's army placement in these two games was below PartinG's
On May 29 2015 20:50 c0ldfusion wrote: I don't get the balance whine in this thread.
Rogue is just not as good as PartinG. As far as I'm concerned Life is the only relevant zerg and even he is trending downward.
There is only one relevant zerg. Could that be a sign of something? Maybe? Eh? When Maru and Taeja were only relevant terrans there were problems. Maybe zerg´s just need to adapt.
On May 29 2015 20:47 kaykoose wrote: Parting makes protoss look OP. He should finally win a GSL this season
Life was the biggest obstacle for that and he's out. I feel like herO and Rain might have a slight chance but he's still massively favored (other than the loss to herO). Maybe Dream if his TvP is really as good as his stats suggest. I personally don't think so but we'll see. Myungsik beat him RO32... Oh god myungsik as GSL champion would be hilarious.
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
I feel the same... I know PartinG is good, but that style has just no answer.
It has, but rogue has got no result for a reason, he can beat the likes of Fantasy, but when it comes to competing with players like parting, he just doesn't have what it takes (yet)
I've seen Z attempt everything against that, infestors, fast ultras, spire, ling roach pressure, hydra ling, 2 base burrow. Everything. I fail to see something that works consistently.
it's because it's not about units, it's about macro, micro and execution. Rogue had everything in game 2, simply think about what happends if he pops his roaches out under the sentries instead of splitting them in every bases. But he said "oh yeah I'm gonna outmultitask him"
But in the end, not only parting is perfectly fine defending his 3 bases, but he manages to deny the 4th with the voidray and put a darkshrine up.
Rather than balance or game design, the only thing that series shows is taht (at the moment) Parting >> Rogue.
On May 29 2015 20:29 KelsierSC wrote: I think Rogue did a good job baiting the force fields out , but there was just too many of them and the army was too cost efficient.
I am not sure why he even baited those Force Fields out when he had burrow moving Roaches. He just kept losing them and at the point he went in with burrow to snipe Sentries and Immortals he has lost quite a few of them.
He was perma 200 for the whole time until protoss gathered too much momentum. At that point, any trade, even really bad is actually good for zerg
Being 200 in army, and being 200 while having like 20-30 in eggs is different story.
Are you really gonna argue that zerg shouldn't take nearly any trade he can in such a situation?
Were you watching the same game as me? He didn't trade, he was donating Roaches and lings for few Force Fields that didn't matter in the end at all because he had burrow movement. He had a chance to kill Parting when Parting didn't have a 30 Stalkers, he didn't take that chance and was just "baiting" Force Fields while losing Roaches and Lings. In the end Parting snowballed out of control, that's it.
But if he doesn't back off with everything, he will just get part of his army sectioned out and the rest killed off nearly for free. 15 roaches vs 20 blink stalkers wont give you any good trade, it will be a slaughter that favors the protoss.
I think Rogue did a good job baiting the forcefields.
My whole point is that he didn't need to bait Force Fields when he could've just attacked with 200 supply Roach burrow army. He would've killed every Sentry and Immortal, just like he did in that engagement, but with far less losses because Parting didn't have that big Stalker army then. What he did was baiting Force Fields while getting shredded by Immortals and Stalkers and eventually Parting's army got to big because Rogue wasn't doing anything but baiting Force Fields.
Well I disagree, I think he would've gotten crushed in an engagement with that many forcefields. The reason he could kill sentries/immortals is because Parting was out of forcefields. If he's not he can just start to back off as soon as Rogue starts to burrow and keep putting up forcefield walls.
And still wouldn't kill as many Roaches as he did in the end because his army was a lot larger. Parting had like 100-110 supply while Rogue was almost maxed when that attack happened, IIRC the moment Rogue literally engaged on Parting and killed his Sentries and Immortals, Parting was at ~150 supply, that's like 40 additional supply of Stalkers.
I would have to rewatch to make sure, but imo there was no point where Rogue would've been better off engaging there. I could be wrong though
Gtg now, sad to miss the Gumiho games Hope he wins!
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
it's not, parting played really well and rogue made a few mistakes that proved fatal.
It gives me the same feeling as mid-late game TvP. Small mistakes from the protoss doesn't mean a lot but small mistakes from the non-protoss can lose you the game.
I think ZvP is a very unforgiving matchup atm.
Rogue can still make it out, but Gumiho will be a tough opponent!
Zergs really should more effort and not just build roaches and a-move. Tbh, their game plan is really lacking.
I don't know if you believe what you are writing but it comes across as you trying to "bait" anger out of zerg players. I think the thread as a whole would prefer if you didn't do that. I see by your post count that you are new to the TL community so maybe you are just unfamiliar with the rules and environment of this website.
OK, sorry, I just feel that Parting does not get the recognition that he deservers.
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
it's not, parting played really well and rogue made a few mistakes that proved fatal.
It gives me the same feeling as mid-late game TvP. Small mistakes from the protoss doesn't mean a lot but small mistakes from the non-protoss can lose you the game.
I think ZvP is a very unforgiving matchup atm.
Rogue can still make it out, but Gumiho will be a tough opponent!
Zergs really should more effort and not just build roaches and a-move. Tbh, their game plan is really lacking.
I don't know if you believe what you are writing but it comes across as you trying to "bait" anger out of zerg players. I think the thread as a whole would prefer if you didn't do that. I see by your post count that you are new to the TL community so maybe you are just unfamiliar with the rules and environment of this website.
OK, sorry, I just feel that Parting does not get the recognition that he deservers.
Parting has more hype behind him than 90% of all pros
On May 29 2015 20:43 c0ldfusion wrote: I know PartinG is good. Nobody denies that but it really feels like Tastosis is riding his dick a little too hard.
herO and maru should be able to take him down
herO definitely can take him down. Parting's PvT is godly, though. Parting vs Maru definitely would be an awesome series.
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
it's not, parting played really well and rogue made a few mistakes that proved fatal.
It gives me the same feeling as mid-late game TvP. Small mistakes from the protoss doesn't mean a lot but small mistakes from the non-protoss can lose you the game.
I think ZvP is a very unforgiving matchup atm.
Rogue can still make it out, but Gumiho will be a tough opponent!
Zergs really should more effort and not just build roaches and a-move. Tbh, their game plan is really lacking.
I don't know if you believe what you are writing but it comes across as you trying to "bait" anger out of zerg players. I think the thread as a whole would prefer if you didn't do that. I see by your post count that you are new to the TL community so maybe you are just unfamiliar with the rules and environment of this website.
OK, sorry, I just feel that Parting does not get the recognition that he deservers.
Parting has more hype behind him than 90% of all pros
On May 29 2015 20:50 temporary1 wrote: Dont whine about forcefields, whine about zerg's lack of micro potential. In current meta first non a-move thing zerg has is pretty much hive tech, while almost every unit protoss has has some kind of active or spell-esque ability. Players have gotten so much better after WoL that nowadays players can just thrive out of talent and being better in the game.
LotV units address this for all races, so direction they are taking seems good. Best players should win.
Well in some way burrow + FFbait + Army positionning is some kind of micro but I believe Rogue's army placement in these two games was below PartinG's
Maybe there is a reason why zerg doesn't individually burrow roaches similar to protoss blink, but that would be micro I meant. Pre-fight army positioning and "great flanks" just doesn't seem like a mentionable micro when we talk about most prestigous tournament there is in Sc2.
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
it's not, parting played really well and rogue made a few mistakes that proved fatal.
It gives me the same feeling as mid-late game TvP. Small mistakes from the protoss doesn't mean a lot but small mistakes from the non-protoss can lose you the game.
I think ZvP is a very unforgiving matchup atm.
Rogue can still make it out, but Gumiho will be a tough opponent!
Zergs really should more effort and not just build roaches and a-move. Tbh, their game plan is really lacking.
I don't know if you believe what you are writing but it comes across as you trying to "bait" anger out of zerg players. I think the thread as a whole would prefer if you didn't do that. I see by your post count that you are new to the TL community so maybe you are just unfamiliar with the rules and environment of this website.
OK, sorry, I just feel that Parting does not get the recognition that he deservers.
Parting has more hype behind him than 90% of all pros
I'm happy if either Fantasy or Rogue get out behind PartinG. I also understand the Protoss-based frustration, but I'm pretty unsurprised PartinG beat Rogue (anybody really). He is so scarily good right now.
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
it's not, parting played really well and rogue made a few mistakes that proved fatal.
It gives me the same feeling as mid-late game TvP. Small mistakes from the protoss doesn't mean a lot but small mistakes from the non-protoss can lose you the game.
I think ZvP is a very unforgiving matchup atm.
Rogue can still make it out, but Gumiho will be a tough opponent!
Zergs really should more effort and not just build roaches and a-move. Tbh, their game plan is really lacking.
I don't know if you believe what you are writing but it comes across as you trying to "bait" anger out of zerg players. I think the thread as a whole would prefer if you didn't do that. I see by your post count that you are new to the TL community so maybe you are just unfamiliar with the rules and environment of this website.
OK, sorry, I just feel that Parting does not get the recognition that he deservers.
Parting has more hype behind him than 90% of all pros
not on TL though
Wat. Every Parting match is juat pages of people praising him and his micro
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
I feel the same... I know PartinG is good, but that style has just no answer.
It has, but rogue has got no result for a reason, he can beat the likes of Fantasy, but when it comes to competing with players like parting, he just doesn't have what it takes (yet)
I've seen Z attempt everything against that, infestors, fast ultras, spire, ling roach pressure, hydra ling, 2 base burrow. Everything. I fail to see something that works consistently.
Watch game 4, 7 of life vs parting in GSL Season 1 finals.
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
I feel the same... I know PartinG is good, but that style has just no answer.
It has, but rogue has got no result for a reason, he can beat the likes of Fantasy, but when it comes to competing with players like parting, he just doesn't have what it takes (yet)
I've seen Z attempt everything against that, infestors, fast ultras, spire, ling roach pressure, hydra ling, 2 base burrow. Everything. I fail to see something that works consistently.
Watch game 4, 7 of life vs parting in GSL Season 1.
Because 9-pool vs nexus first is something you can produce consistently.
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
I feel the same... I know PartinG is good, but that style has just no answer.
It has, but rogue has got no result for a reason, he can beat the likes of Fantasy, but when it comes to competing with players like parting, he just doesn't have what it takes (yet)
I've seen Z attempt everything against that, infestors, fast ultras, spire, ling roach pressure, hydra ling, 2 base burrow. Everything. I fail to see something that works consistently.
Watch game 4, 7 of life vs parting in GSL Season 1.
game 7 was early pool vs Nexus first. I'm not saying nothing works, I'm saying nothing works consistently. Most styles have counterplay, this style has barely any, the Z kind of has to go roach hydra to hold and just can't transition.
Zero denying that PartinG is absurdly good by the way.
On May 29 2015 20:50 c0ldfusion wrote: I don't get the balance whine in this thread.
Rogue is just not as good as PartinG. As far as I'm concerned Life is the only relevant zerg and even he is trending downward.
There is only one relevant zerg. Could that be a sign of something? Maybe? Eh? When Maru and Taeja were only relevant terrans there were problems. Maybe zerg´s just need to adapt.
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
I feel the same... I know PartinG is good, but that style has just no answer.
It has, but rogue has got no result for a reason, he can beat the likes of Fantasy, but when it comes to competing with players like parting, he just doesn't have what it takes (yet)
I've seen Z attempt everything against that, infestors, fast ultras, spire, ling roach pressure, hydra ling, 2 base burrow. Everything. I fail to see something that works consistently.
it's because it's not about units, it's about macro, micro and execution. Rogue had everything in game 2, simply think about what happends if he pops his roaches out under the sentries instead of splitting them in every bases. But he said "oh yeah I'm gonna outmultitask him"
But in the end, not only parting is perfectly fine defending his 3 bases, but he manages to deny the 4th with the voidray and put a darkshrine up.
Rather than balance or game design, the only thing that series shows is taht (at the moment) Parting >> Rogue.
Perfectly fine with that analysis.
But I really don't know if Rogue witnessed that. Sentries were ON the choke, he was off with his roaches... I really don't think he witnessed it.
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
it's not, parting played really well and rogue made a few mistakes that proved fatal.
It gives me the same feeling as mid-late game TvP. Small mistakes from the protoss doesn't mean a lot but small mistakes from the non-protoss can lose you the game.
I think ZvP is a very unforgiving matchup atm.
Rogue can still make it out, but Gumiho will be a tough opponent!
Zergs really should more effort and not just build roaches and a-move. Tbh, their game plan is really lacking.
I don't know if you believe what you are writing but it comes across as you trying to "bait" anger out of zerg players. I think the thread as a whole would prefer if you didn't do that. I see by your post count that you are new to the TL community so maybe you are just unfamiliar with the rules and environment of this website.
OK, sorry, I just feel that Parting does not get the recognition that he deservers.
Parting has more hype behind him than 90% of all pros
not on TL though
Wat. Every Parting match is juat pages of people praising him and his micro
yea just by some people who are unfamiliar with him, apart from that he constantly gets underrated in tl previews and bashed in other threads
On May 29 2015 20:56 Wintex wrote: i do not believe in Dream as a player, but I want to see parting lose to him.
Start believing in the dream man cause it's gonna happen
Dream first dual champion hype ?
Dream will need to hone his TvP to extreme heights if this is to happen .
He's pretty good at TvP already, like his series vs Stats at KeSPA Cup wasn't even close.
Yeh..I guess it's because he's able to replicate Maru's style quite closely. Will be interesting to see him match up against herO (who probably as better TvP than Stats).
On May 29 2015 20:42 mCon.Hephaistas wrote: Hard to say something about this series without getting banned. Disgusting
it's not, parting played really well and rogue made a few mistakes that proved fatal.
It gives me the same feeling as mid-late game TvP. Small mistakes from the protoss doesn't mean a lot but small mistakes from the non-protoss can lose you the game.
I think ZvP is a very unforgiving matchup atm.
Rogue can still make it out, but Gumiho will be a tough opponent!
Zergs really should more effort and not just build roaches and a-move. Tbh, their game plan is really lacking.
I don't know if you believe what you are writing but it comes across as you trying to "bait" anger out of zerg players. I think the thread as a whole would prefer if you didn't do that. I see by your post count that you are new to the TL community so maybe you are just unfamiliar with the rules and environment of this website.
OK, sorry, I just feel that Parting does not get the recognition that he deservers.
Parting has more hype behind him than 90% of all pros
not on TL though
Wat. Every Parting match is juat pages of people praising him and his micro
yea just by some people who are unfamiliar with him, apart from that he constantly gets underrated in tl previews and bashed in other threads
Dunno about TL previews those are personal opinions of a select few buut I have never seen collective Parting bashing.
On May 29 2015 20:56 Wintex wrote: i do not believe in Dream as a player, but I want to see parting lose to him.
Start believing in the dream man cause it's gonna happen
I only like my own dreams because fuck Freud. And I don't want to see him get a double championship. That would be a terrible happening.
Wow why the Dream hate
Haha..Dream is actually quite likeable. Interesting in interviews and group selections, not afraid of creating rivalries (or maybe it's just in my head).
Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
On May 29 2015 20:56 Wintex wrote: i do not believe in Dream as a player, but I want to see parting lose to him.
Start believing in the dream man cause it's gonna happen
I only like my own dreams because fuck Freud. And I don't want to see him get a double championship. That would be a terrible happening.
Wow why the Dream hate
The other SKT terrans are cooler.
Sorry (vs Taeja was fucking brilliant, entertaining, probably not peak level tho). Fucking hate Inno tho.
Wow what did he do to you
Maybe the language was too high modality, but beating soO after soO overcame Zest (which was an insane series IMO) was too much for my heart. Inno definitely not loveable by any means either.
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
On May 29 2015 21:08 Elentos wrote: What is it with Korean Terrans transforming hellions into hellbats to chase workers? Doesn't work -.-
You can't surround and a+click hellbats with your workers. You can definitely do that with hellion (if you got nothin' else to defend and a bit of control).
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On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
On May 29 2015 21:08 Elentos wrote: What is it with Korean Terrans transforming hellions into hellbats to chase workers? Doesn't work -.-
You can't surround and a+click hellbats with your workers. You can definitely do that with hellion (if you got nothin' else to defend and a bit of control).
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
I don't know man, this list tells me he basically only ever (save for one game vs Ryung) drops games to absolute cream-of-the-crop Terrans, and usually beats those. It would have been nice for him to solidify this in Proleague (fuck you SKT), but it's hard to argue that anyone is ahead of him in PvT.
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
btw is PartinG still not allowed in Proleague because of his contract with SKT (which I assume to not be over yet)? SBENU-Yoe would be great with that lineup.
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
btw is PartinG still not allowed in Proleague because of his contract with SKT (which I assume to not be over yet)?
On May 29 2015 21:08 Elentos wrote: What is it with Korean Terrans transforming hellions into hellbats to chase workers? Doesn't work -.-
You can't surround and a+click hellbats with your workers. You can definitely do that with hellion (if you got nothin' else to defend and a bit of control).
My guess here.
He but you'll never catch workers with hellbats.
Yep but does it matter ?
I mean, damage was done before. He was being attacked, so you can't really allow yourself to micro your hellion. Then, you just split your hellbats to the mineral line, and the other just can't mine. You don't gt kills, but he just CAN'T mine AT ALL. Which means no renforcements for the push.
Then you deflect the attack all-in and that's GG.
Can't say for the other time but I definitely understand this one.
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
I don't know man, this list tells me he basically only ever (save for one game vs Ryung) drops games to absolute cream-of-the-crop Terrans, and usually beats those. It would have been nice for him to solidify this in Proleague (fuck you SKT), but it's hard to argue that anyone is ahead of him in PvT.
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it
Wha? herO has wins against people like YoDa, BrAvO and Cure and got completely rekt by Bbyong at IEM Katowice. How is that infinitely more impressive than PartinG only losing 1 PvT series all year? GumBa stop the bullying.
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it
Wha? herO has wins against people like YoDa, BrAvO and Cure and got completely rekt by Bbyong at IEM Katowice. How is that infinitely more impressive than PartinG only losing 1 PvT series all year? GumBa stop the bullying.
PartinG beat Maru to get to GSL 2015 season 1 final
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it
I don't care that much about the numbers -- they're basically icing on the cake (7-2 vs Maru and 5-1 vs Gumiho is pretty sick though) -- but I find it difficult to pinpoint any weaknesses in Parting's PvT at all. Like, I watch herO and I can tell exactly what an opponent, ideally, should do to beat him. I don't really feel the same about Parting, he's much more difficult to pin down and thus much more difficult to reliably beat. His record supports that.
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it
Wha? herO has wins against people like YoDa, BrAvO and Cure and got completely rekt by Bbyong at IEM Katowice. How is that infinitely more impressive than PartinG only losing 1 PvT series all year? GumBa stop the bullying.
Yoda bravo cure all play gsl and pl and I would rate em higher than most of the people parting has faced
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it
I don't care that much about the numbers -- they're basically icing on the cake (7-2 vs Maru and 5-1 vs Gumiho is pretty sick though) -- but I find it difficult to pinpoint any weaknesses in Parting's PvT at all. Like, I watch herO and I can tell exactly what an opponent, ideally, should do to beat him. I don't really feel the same about Parting, he's much more difficult to pin down and thus much more difficult to reliably beat. His record supports that.
I don't dispute Parting as possible #1 PvT I just want him to go through more of the kr terran scene to prove it 100% is all
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it
Wha? herO has wins against people like YoDa, BrAvO and Cure and got completely rekt by Bbyong at IEM Katowice. How is that infinitely more impressive than PartinG only losing 1 PvT series all year? GumBa stop the bullying.
Yoda bravo cure all play gsl and pl and I would rate em higher than most of the people parting has faced
They both have beat maru before. Even if Polt come up and miraculously beat of the those 2 and lose to the other that is no good indication of anything.
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it
I don't care that much about the numbers -- they're basically icing on the cake (7-2 vs Maru and 5-1 vs Gumiho is pretty sick though) -- but I find it difficult to pinpoint any weaknesses in Parting's PvT at all. Like, I watch herO and I can tell exactly what an opponent, ideally, should do to beat him. I don't really feel the same about Parting, he's much more difficult to pin down and thus much more difficult to reliably beat. His record supports that.
I don't dispute Parting as possible #1 PvT I just want him to go through more of the kr terran scene to prove it 100% is all
How much more proof than 7-2 in maps vs Maru in 2015 do you need, really? For reference, herO vs Maru in 2015 is 6-7.
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it
I don't care that much about the numbers -- they're basically icing on the cake (7-2 vs Maru and 5-1 vs Gumiho is pretty sick though) -- but I find it difficult to pinpoint any weaknesses in Parting's PvT at all. Like, I watch herO and I can tell exactly what an opponent, ideally, should do to beat him. I don't really feel the same about Parting, he's much more difficult to pin down and thus much more difficult to reliably beat. His record supports that.
I don't dispute Parting as possible #1 PvT I just want him to go through more of the kr terran scene to prove it 100% is all
how many times do you have to beat Maru to be good?
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it
Wha? herO has wins against people like YoDa, BrAvO and Cure and got completely rekt by Bbyong at IEM Katowice. How is that infinitely more impressive than PartinG only losing 1 PvT series all year? GumBa stop the bullying.
Yoda bravo cure all play gsl and pl and I would rate em higher than most of the people parting has faced
They both have beat maru before. Even if Polt come up and miraculously beat of the those 2 and lose to the other that is no good indication of anything.
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it
I don't care that much about the numbers -- they're basically icing on the cake (7-2 vs Maru and 5-1 vs Gumiho is pretty sick though) -- but I find it difficult to pinpoint any weaknesses in Parting's PvT at all. Like, I watch herO and I can tell exactly what an opponent, ideally, should do to beat him. I don't really feel the same about Parting, he's much more difficult to pin down and thus much more difficult to reliably beat. His record supports that.
I don't dispute Parting as possible #1 PvT I just want him to go through more of the kr terran scene to prove it 100% is all
How much more proof than 7-2 in maps vs Maru in 2015 do you need, really? For reference, herO vs Maru in 2015 is 6-7.
Him to beat more terrans I dunno. Some players just have the others number but this discussion is pointless anyway
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it
Wha? herO has wins against people like YoDa, BrAvO and Cure and got completely rekt by Bbyong at IEM Katowice. How is that infinitely more impressive than PartinG only losing 1 PvT series all year? GumBa stop the bullying.
Yoda bravo cure all play gsl and pl and I would rate em higher than most of the people parting has faced
They both have beat maru before. Even if Polt come up and miraculously beat of the those 2 and lose to the other that is no good indication of anything.
I don't get what your trying to tell me
A lesser skilled player can play better by employing better strategies. Unless we have 5 different kind of marus we cannot quantify skill. Rating is just an estimate.
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it
Wha? herO has wins against people like YoDa, BrAvO and Cure and got completely rekt by Bbyong at IEM Katowice. How is that infinitely more impressive than PartinG only losing 1 PvT series all year? GumBa stop the bullying.
Yoda bravo cure all play gsl and pl and I would rate em higher than most of the people parting has faced
For the sake of this argument, we'll compare records (I haven't watched all of herO's PvTs today). You're definitely right in that numbers don't say everything, but still:
Parting is 87% (34-5) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Gumiho (5-1), Fantasy (4-0), MMA (4-1), Maru (7-2). Padding his record: 10-1 vs Ryung.
herO is 68% (26-12) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Maru (6-7), Bbyong (1-3), Cure (5-1), Flash (if you want to count him as significant right now, 3-0). Padding his record: Taeja (2-0), Sorry (1-0), Center (1-0), Heart (2-0).
I'm not really sure what I'm really arguing at this point other than that I think Parting is better than herO at PvT
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it
Wha? herO has wins against people like YoDa, BrAvO and Cure and got completely rekt by Bbyong at IEM Katowice. How is that infinitely more impressive than PartinG only losing 1 PvT series all year? GumBa stop the bullying.
Yoda bravo cure all play gsl and pl and I would rate em higher than most of the people parting has faced
For the sake of this argument, we'll compare records (I haven't watched all of herO's PvTs today). You're definitely right in that numbers don't say everything, but still:
Parting is 87% (34-5) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Gumiho (5-1), Fantasy (4-0), MMA (4-1), Maru (7-2). Padding his record: 10-1 vs Ryung.
herO is 68% (26-12) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Maru (6-6), Bbyong (1-3), Cure (5-1), Flash (if you want to count him as significant right now, 3-0). Padding his record: Taeja (2-0), Sorry (1-0), Center (1-0), Heart (2-0).
I'm not really sure what I'm really arguing at this point other than that I think Parting is better than herO at PvT
im not even disagreeing that Parting could just be #1 PvT I am more getting at people should look more indepth at the numbers like you did before slamming out statements. but whatever this is getting tiresome
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it
Wha? herO has wins against people like YoDa, BrAvO and Cure and got completely rekt by Bbyong at IEM Katowice. How is that infinitely more impressive than PartinG only losing 1 PvT series all year? GumBa stop the bullying.
Yoda bravo cure all play gsl and pl and I would rate em higher than most of the people parting has faced
For the sake of this argument, we'll compare records (I haven't watched all of herO's PvTs today). You're definitely right in that numbers don't say everything, but still:
Parting is 87% (34-5) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Gumiho (5-1), Fantasy (4-0), MMA (4-1), Maru (7-2). Padding his record: 10-1 vs Ryung.
herO is 68% (26-12) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Maru (6-6), Bbyong (1-3), Cure (5-1), Flash (if you want to count him as significant right now, 3-0). Padding his record: Taeja (2-0), Sorry (1-0), Center (1-0), Heart (2-0).
I'm not really sure what I'm really arguing at this point other than that I think Parting is better than herO at PvT
im not even disagreeing that Parting could just be #1 PvT I am more getting at people should look more indepth at the numbers like you did before slamming out statements. but whatever this is getting tiresome
I would actually prefer if people just ignored the numbers entirely because they mean very little compared to the content of the games themselves, but we can hardly expect people to actually watch the games they're discussing :o
On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it
Wha? herO has wins against people like YoDa, BrAvO and Cure and got completely rekt by Bbyong at IEM Katowice. How is that infinitely more impressive than PartinG only losing 1 PvT series all year? GumBa stop the bullying.
Yoda bravo cure all play gsl and pl and I would rate em higher than most of the people parting has faced
For the sake of this argument, we'll compare records (I haven't watched all of herO's PvTs today). You're definitely right in that numbers don't say everything, but still:
Parting is 87% (34-5) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Gumiho (5-1), Fantasy (4-0), MMA (4-1), Maru (7-2). Padding his record: 10-1 vs Ryung.
herO is 68% (26-12) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Maru (6-6), Bbyong (1-3), Cure (5-1), Flash (if you want to count him as significant right now, 3-0). Padding his record: Taeja (2-0), Sorry (1-0), Center (1-0), Heart (2-0).
I'm not really sure what I'm really arguing at this point other than that I think Parting is better than herO at PvT
im not even disagreeing that Parting could just be #1 PvT I am more getting at people should look more indepth at the numbers like you did before slamming out statements. but whatever this is getting tiresome
I would actually prefer if people just ignored the numbers entirely because they mean very little compared to the content of the games themselves, but we can hardly expect people to actually watch the games they're discussing :o
numbers are fine once they get relevant. Like Parting records vT. Main problem is that almost nobody knows how to use stats properly.
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Your vote: Recommend FanTaSy vs GuMiho game 2?
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On May 29 2015 21:06 GumBa wrote: Oh I looked at Partings 90% GOAT PvT winrate and apart from Maru I aint impressed. Sure he's is sick good but looking at that list I would never jump to the zomg unbeatable conclusion
You probably should since, you know, he only loses once per ten games
Look at his opponents though
GumBa plz, PartinG used to be on SKT, stop trying to bully him.
Wait, I think he prob def is top 3 PvT but it's just the numbers are a bit inflated with "easy" opponents and people just quote the number and dont give a single thought to it
Wha? herO has wins against people like YoDa, BrAvO and Cure and got completely rekt by Bbyong at IEM Katowice. How is that infinitely more impressive than PartinG only losing 1 PvT series all year? GumBa stop the bullying.
Yoda bravo cure all play gsl and pl and I would rate em higher than most of the people parting has faced
For the sake of this argument, we'll compare records (I haven't watched all of herO's PvTs today). You're definitely right in that numbers don't say everything, but still:
Parting is 87% (34-5) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Gumiho (5-1), Fantasy (4-0), MMA (4-1), Maru (7-2). Padding his record: 10-1 vs Ryung.
herO is 68% (26-12) in offline games vs Korean Terrans, notable opponents including Maru (6-6), Bbyong (1-3), Cure (5-1), Flash (if you want to count him as significant right now, 3-0). Padding his record: Taeja (2-0), Sorry (1-0), Center (1-0), Heart (2-0).
I'm not really sure what I'm really arguing at this point other than that I think Parting is better than herO at PvT
im not even disagreeing that Parting could just be #1 PvT I am more getting at people should look more indepth at the numbers like you did before slamming out statements. but whatever this is getting tiresome
I would actually prefer if people just ignored the numbers entirely because they mean very little compared to the content of the games themselves, but we can hardly expect people to actually watch the games they're discussing :o
That would sadly be a perfect world but what I'm just saying is quoting 90% without looking at how or why then claiming goat is not a good way of doing things.
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Your vote: Recommend FanTaSy vs Rogue game 1?
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On May 29 2015 22:07 Lambertus wrote: Is it only my impression or is Tasteless actually making some sense in regards to tactics and stuff?
Long time since I heard something like that from him!
Tasteless has been casting gom classic since day 1.
Difference between casting that long, and casting it well.
Thats what I m referring to. I know he casted like forever because I m old and grumpy and actually watched BW-VODS and stuff ;-) I love this guy!
But the thing is, the last two years he was really not that overwhelmingly good... funny ok, but funny only goes so long... so I m happy when I sometimes feel, like today, that he actually still knows shit :-D
Who made the decision to make battle cruisers do that air barrage thing? They do so little damage per shot when they use to just do massive amounts per shot which was pretty sweet. Now ultra armor just eats all the damage off.
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Your vote: Recommend FanTaSy vs Rogue game 2?
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Heh, Fantasy following the same scenario against Rogue from earlier today - wins game 1, loses game 2, mentally breaks in game 3 and makes stupid errors.
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15%
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
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Your vote: Recommend FanTaSy vs Rogue game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Surprise surprise Fanta/Flash eliminated on the deciding game in the group stages. This is all I have been watching since I picked this game. This is so annoying
On May 29 2015 22:45 Tyrhanius wrote: How can you even survive this long vs 200 max zerg army with just 2 bases as Terran?
Fantasy always finds a way to not GG.
He is quite better at making himself some nice FanTaSy GG timings than to winning games...
Sad.
He just barely fell out of the Ro16 of GSL. Such a loser, right?
You misunderstand me...
I'm a huge fan of FanTaSy and I have a great respect for his BW accomplishments. But his TvZ on SCII is quite terrible...
Yeah he's so bad he lost 4-2 to the 3rd best zerg in the world, so embarrassing
No, it's not terrible, it's frustrating, cause he has been trying to find his own style forever, something like a 33%mech 66%bio, and never managed to make it work, and you're torn between the feeling that he'd be unstoppable if he finally managed to create this style and the sadness of thinking that if he just played fucking standard he'd have much better results....
I stopped watching the broadcast after the parting v. rogue 1st game. Protoss is completely broken in current state. Geez. Enjoy watching the rest of GSL.
On May 29 2015 22:45 Tyrhanius wrote: How can you even survive this long vs 200 max zerg army with just 2 bases as Terran?
Fantasy always finds a way to not GG.
He is quite better at making himself some nice FanTaSy GG timings than to winning games...
Sad.
He just barely fell out of the Ro16 of GSL. Such a loser, right?
You misunderstand me...
I'm a huge fan of FanTaSy and I have a great respect for his BW accomplishments. But his TvZ on SCII is quite terrible...
Yeah he's so bad he lost 4-2 to the 3rd best zerg in the world, so embarrassing
No, it's not terrible, it's frustrating, cause he has been trying to find his own style forever, something like a 33%mech 66%bio, and never managed to make it work, and you're torn between the feeling that he'd be unstoppable if he finally managed to create this style and the sadness of thinking that if he just played fucking standard he'd have much better results....
fanta bio play is terrible. that's why he's trying stuff
On May 30 2015 01:51 usethis2 wrote: I stopped watching the broadcast after the parting v. rogue 1st game. Protoss is completely broken in current state. Geez. Enjoy watching the rest of GSL.
Salt.
You can probably count with one hand the number of Protoss players that can come back from that situation against Rogue. What a horrid state of balance right?
And thanks. I will have great fun watching this season's GSL. If all the coming games are gonna be as good as today's then we're in for a treat.
On May 30 2015 17:11 Sworn wrote: So glad Rogue managed to make it through. With Life getting eliminated in both league I thought there might not be any Zergs left in any leagues
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