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ALLEYCAT BLUES51709 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:09 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 00:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This is what happens when you get banned Gumba. Darkness. I will be more careful in future. I must hold back the Darkness with every fiber of my being.
don't get baited when you're on the job.
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On April 11 2015 00:17 Exstasy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 00:04 Deathstar wrote:On April 11 2015 00:01 Elisse wrote:On April 10 2015 23:39 Exstasy wrote:
This I don't get at all. Why would viewers not just want to see the highest level of play? For the same reason the majority of people still prefer to watch their local football club play over watching the Champion's League, despite the superior quality of play in the latter.For a scene/game to stay alive the average viewer needs local heroes to root for, and needs a lure for players to attempt making it to the level where it becomes financially interesting. I think the impact of that shouldn't be underestimated. As such it made sense for Blizzard to regionlock WCS, they need the local scene to stay alive rather than dominated by second-tier Koreans to keep selling their game & brand. They're still a business, not a charity. lol who cares about some local football game besides the players' family members? This just is not an accurate analogy. Supporting your local team does not equal not preferring higher level play. I think fans of football would go to the higher quality games if they could get tickets/travel to them. Supporting your local team provides a cheaper football experience and offers the community of being a fan of the club, a very different thing to preferring the highest level of play. This is only increased as the level of play declines pretty much. edit* this was aimed at Elisse primarily
I got that, and I feel it still holds true imho. Steering it back from football to SC; for the average casual viewer an inferior 'local' player (from your country, region, ...) will be more appealing to get behind than a superior second tier Korean.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:01 Poopfeast 024 wrote:well 2 players getting 3-0'd on changed maps that would have been 3-0'd on any map anyway and some insulting on twitter could only fuel so much debate, in case you're disappointed that the discussion is getting slow and tired
I'm more disappointed it went on for like 15 pages
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:24 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 00:09 GumBa wrote:On April 11 2015 00:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This is what happens when you get banned Gumba. Darkness. I will be more careful in future. I must hold back the Darkness with every fiber of my being. don't get baited when you're on the job.
Will do. Sometimes these damn emotions get in the way of cool effeciency and it disgusts me 
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Germany25658 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:26 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 00:24 BLinD-RawR wrote:On April 11 2015 00:09 GumBa wrote:On April 11 2015 00:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This is what happens when you get banned Gumba. Darkness. I will be more careful in future. I must hold back the Darkness with every fiber of my being. don't get baited when you're on the job. Will do. Sometimes these damn emotions get in the way of cool effeciency and it disgusts me
You're german, nothing should ever get in the way of cool efficiency.
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On April 11 2015 00:25 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 00:01 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 23:58 GumBa wrote:
What happened to this thread? well 2 players getting 3-0'd on changed maps that would have been 3-0'd on any map anyway and some insulting on twitter could only fuel so much debate, in case you're disappointed that the discussion is getting slow and tired I'm more disappointed it went on for like 15 pages
come on, this kind of shit was missing here for a while now 
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51709 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:26 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 00:24 BLinD-RawR wrote:On April 11 2015 00:09 GumBa wrote:On April 11 2015 00:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This is what happens when you get banned Gumba. Darkness. I will be more careful in future. I must hold back the Darkness with every fiber of my being. don't get baited when you're on the job. Will do. Sometimes these damn emotions get in the way of cool effeciency and it disgusts me
I don't understand your predicament, what are these emotions?
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And all it took for it to come back was Guilty to be named for Proleague next week
PRAISE BE TO GUILTYGOD!
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On April 11 2015 00:22 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 00:17 Clonester wrote:On April 11 2015 00:14 shockaslim wrote:On April 11 2015 00:06 Clonester wrote:On April 10 2015 23:58 GumBa wrote:
What happened to this thread? Two 3-0s on changed maps and patched maps for players who get 3-0 anyways. Then the sault came and then the twitter fight against foreigners who have to pray for Blizzgods because sense. In the End someone bought a Team of Koreans who cant compete in Korea and became irrelevant after WCS Change and now these players get transformed to some RPG-Streaming-Machines. But hey, lets bash foreigners who have these teamhouses, these coaches and the korean server to train each day. And earn enough to do so and not to starve. Dude, at least keep it real. Ryung probably would have gotten smoked, but Impact had a legit shot. He lost twice against Bio Play. Nothing has changed to the Bio-Zerg-Meta. You can argue that the third game was patch intended. But that is not enough, then Gumiho (Mec-God) played one more Bio. They got outplayed and both, Gumiho and Dark had the same patch problems. The Action of GSL was stupid (we cant fix it, lets do the patched maps), but that does not make you go all salty against foreigners because the WCS Change makes you still salty after 6month of its announcement. This "they had the same problems" argument is bullshit. Zerg got major changes to a key unit, Terran didn't. Gumiho plays mech, constantly, Impact prepared against mech (using Swarmhost as you have to). Suddenly he can't play that style anymore and his prep ends up being worthless. Gumiho beats him. Not a single match should have been played today under those conditions. Changing the game hours before an event and giving no player any proper prep time when its a single elimination match to get to Code S is absolute nonsense and you know it. Rest of your argument is irrelevant bullshit.
So what if the game was played pre-patch, Impact has prepared only SW strats and then gumiho goes bio?
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On April 11 2015 00:26 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 00:24 BLinD-RawR wrote:On April 11 2015 00:09 GumBa wrote:On April 11 2015 00:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This is what happens when you get banned Gumba. Darkness. I will be more careful in future. I must hold back the Darkness with every fiber of my being. don't get baited when you're on the job. Will do. Sometimes these damn emotions get in the way of cool effeciency and it disgusts me
When in doubt, think WWID
edit: or WWBD depending on your hipster level
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51709 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:36 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 00:26 GumBa wrote:On April 11 2015 00:24 BLinD-RawR wrote:On April 11 2015 00:09 GumBa wrote:On April 11 2015 00:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
This is what happens when you get banned Gumba. Darkness. I will be more careful in future. I must hold back the Darkness with every fiber of my being. don't get baited when you're on the job. Will do. Sometimes these damn emotions get in the way of cool effeciency and it disgusts me When in doubt, think WWID edit: or WWBD depending on your hipster level
it took me a few seconds to get it, totally bogus.
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On April 11 2015 00:35 Exstasy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 00:22 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 11 2015 00:17 Clonester wrote:On April 11 2015 00:14 shockaslim wrote:On April 11 2015 00:06 Clonester wrote:On April 10 2015 23:58 GumBa wrote:
What happened to this thread? Two 3-0s on changed maps and patched maps for players who get 3-0 anyways. Then the sault came and then the twitter fight against foreigners who have to pray for Blizzgods because sense. In the End someone bought a Team of Koreans who cant compete in Korea and became irrelevant after WCS Change and now these players get transformed to some RPG-Streaming-Machines. But hey, lets bash foreigners who have these teamhouses, these coaches and the korean server to train each day. And earn enough to do so and not to starve. Dude, at least keep it real. Ryung probably would have gotten smoked, but Impact had a legit shot. He lost twice against Bio Play. Nothing has changed to the Bio-Zerg-Meta. You can argue that the third game was patch intended. But that is not enough, then Gumiho (Mec-God) played one more Bio. They got outplayed and both, Gumiho and Dark had the same patch problems. The Action of GSL was stupid (we cant fix it, lets do the patched maps), but that does not make you go all salty against foreigners because the WCS Change makes you still salty after 6month of its announcement. This "they had the same problems" argument is bullshit. Zerg got major changes to a key unit, Terran didn't. Gumiho plays mech, constantly, Impact prepared against mech (using Swarmhost as you have to). Suddenly he can't play that style anymore and his prep ends up being worthless. Gumiho beats him. Not a single match should have been played today under those conditions. Changing the game hours before an event and giving no player any proper prep time when its a single elimination match to get to Code S is absolute nonsense and you know it. Rest of your argument is irrelevant bullshit. So what if the game was played pre-patch, Impact has prepared only SW strats and then gumiho goes bio?
Chances are he doesn't go bio prepatch.
And when did I say he only prepped SH strats? He spent a lot of time doing that and this fuckup from GSL screwed with his prep big time but that's not all he prepared. Problem is if most of your builds now don't work, you are left at a fundamental disadvantage, whereas whatever builds Gumiho had prepared still work just fine (with the exception of any raven heavy super late game turtle-mech).
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Elentos
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On April 11 2015 00:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 00:35 Exstasy wrote:On April 11 2015 00:22 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 11 2015 00:17 Clonester wrote:On April 11 2015 00:14 shockaslim wrote:On April 11 2015 00:06 Clonester wrote:On April 10 2015 23:58 GumBa wrote:
What happened to this thread? Two 3-0s on changed maps and patched maps for players who get 3-0 anyways. Then the sault came and then the twitter fight against foreigners who have to pray for Blizzgods because sense. In the End someone bought a Team of Koreans who cant compete in Korea and became irrelevant after WCS Change and now these players get transformed to some RPG-Streaming-Machines. But hey, lets bash foreigners who have these teamhouses, these coaches and the korean server to train each day. And earn enough to do so and not to starve. Dude, at least keep it real. Ryung probably would have gotten smoked, but Impact had a legit shot. He lost twice against Bio Play. Nothing has changed to the Bio-Zerg-Meta. You can argue that the third game was patch intended. But that is not enough, then Gumiho (Mec-God) played one more Bio. They got outplayed and both, Gumiho and Dark had the same patch problems. The Action of GSL was stupid (we cant fix it, lets do the patched maps), but that does not make you go all salty against foreigners because the WCS Change makes you still salty after 6month of its announcement. This "they had the same problems" argument is bullshit. Zerg got major changes to a key unit, Terran didn't. Gumiho plays mech, constantly, Impact prepared against mech (using Swarmhost as you have to). Suddenly he can't play that style anymore and his prep ends up being worthless. Gumiho beats him. Not a single match should have been played today under those conditions. Changing the game hours before an event and giving no player any proper prep time when its a single elimination match to get to Code S is absolute nonsense and you know it. Rest of your argument is irrelevant bullshit. So what if the game was played pre-patch, Impact has prepared only SW strats and then gumiho goes bio?
Chances are he doesn't go bio prepatch.
That's kinda silly. Gumiho would also prepare for the series and the possible maps that come, you think he throws that out the window on short notice because of a patch that doesn't change the way mech plays except for raven heavy comps? If anything the patch should have made him go mech even more if he changed strats.
Doesn't change the fact that GSL fucked it up tho.
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On April 11 2015 00:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 00:35 Exstasy wrote:On April 11 2015 00:22 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 11 2015 00:17 Clonester wrote:On April 11 2015 00:14 shockaslim wrote:On April 11 2015 00:06 Clonester wrote:On April 10 2015 23:58 GumBa wrote:
What happened to this thread? Two 3-0s on changed maps and patched maps for players who get 3-0 anyways. Then the sault came and then the twitter fight against foreigners who have to pray for Blizzgods because sense. In the End someone bought a Team of Koreans who cant compete in Korea and became irrelevant after WCS Change and now these players get transformed to some RPG-Streaming-Machines. But hey, lets bash foreigners who have these teamhouses, these coaches and the korean server to train each day. And earn enough to do so and not to starve. Dude, at least keep it real. Ryung probably would have gotten smoked, but Impact had a legit shot. He lost twice against Bio Play. Nothing has changed to the Bio-Zerg-Meta. You can argue that the third game was patch intended. But that is not enough, then Gumiho (Mec-God) played one more Bio. They got outplayed and both, Gumiho and Dark had the same patch problems. The Action of GSL was stupid (we cant fix it, lets do the patched maps), but that does not make you go all salty against foreigners because the WCS Change makes you still salty after 6month of its announcement. This "they had the same problems" argument is bullshit. Zerg got major changes to a key unit, Terran didn't. Gumiho plays mech, constantly, Impact prepared against mech (using Swarmhost as you have to). Suddenly he can't play that style anymore and his prep ends up being worthless. Gumiho beats him. Not a single match should have been played today under those conditions. Changing the game hours before an event and giving no player any proper prep time when its a single elimination match to get to Code S is absolute nonsense and you know it. Rest of your argument is irrelevant bullshit. So what if the game was played pre-patch, Impact has prepared only SW strats and then gumiho goes bio? Chances are he doesn't go bio prepatch. And when did I say he only prepped SH strats? He spent a lot of time doing that and this fuckup from GSL screwed with his prep big time but that's not all he prepared. Problem is if most of your builds now don't work, you are left at a fundamental disadvantage, whereas whatever builds Gumiho had prepared still work just fine (with the exception of any raven heavy super late game turtle-mech).
You say Gumiho switched from his prepared mech to bio because of the patch but didn't need to change up his buildorders because terran is not affected by the patch?
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On April 11 2015 00:48 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 00:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 11 2015 00:35 Exstasy wrote:On April 11 2015 00:22 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 11 2015 00:17 Clonester wrote:On April 11 2015 00:14 shockaslim wrote:On April 11 2015 00:06 Clonester wrote:On April 10 2015 23:58 GumBa wrote:
What happened to this thread? Two 3-0s on changed maps and patched maps for players who get 3-0 anyways. Then the sault came and then the twitter fight against foreigners who have to pray for Blizzgods because sense. In the End someone bought a Team of Koreans who cant compete in Korea and became irrelevant after WCS Change and now these players get transformed to some RPG-Streaming-Machines. But hey, lets bash foreigners who have these teamhouses, these coaches and the korean server to train each day. And earn enough to do so and not to starve. Dude, at least keep it real. Ryung probably would have gotten smoked, but Impact had a legit shot. He lost twice against Bio Play. Nothing has changed to the Bio-Zerg-Meta. You can argue that the third game was patch intended. But that is not enough, then Gumiho (Mec-God) played one more Bio. They got outplayed and both, Gumiho and Dark had the same patch problems. The Action of GSL was stupid (we cant fix it, lets do the patched maps), but that does not make you go all salty against foreigners because the WCS Change makes you still salty after 6month of its announcement. This "they had the same problems" argument is bullshit. Zerg got major changes to a key unit, Terran didn't. Gumiho plays mech, constantly, Impact prepared against mech (using Swarmhost as you have to). Suddenly he can't play that style anymore and his prep ends up being worthless. Gumiho beats him. Not a single match should have been played today under those conditions. Changing the game hours before an event and giving no player any proper prep time when its a single elimination match to get to Code S is absolute nonsense and you know it. Rest of your argument is irrelevant bullshit. So what if the game was played pre-patch, Impact has prepared only SW strats and then gumiho goes bio?
Chances are he doesn't go bio prepatch. That's kinda silly. Gumiho would also prepare for the series and the possible maps that come, you think he throws that out the window on short notice because of a patch that doesn't change the way mech plays except for raven heavy comps? If anything the patch should have made him go mech even more.
It's Gumi. Pretty fair chance he's right
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I completely understand TBs frustration, but it's kind of silly to pretend like Impact wasn't gonna get 3-0'd or 3-1'd at best this series. Gumiho is just a much better player. That being said, it's complete bullshit that they make players play on the new patch and I would love to hear some justificationf or that
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On April 11 2015 00:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I completely understand TBs frustration, but it's kind of silly to pretend like Impact wasn't gonna get 3-0'd or 3-1'd at best this series. Gumiho is just a much better player. That being said, it's complete bullshit that they make players play on the new patch and I would love to hear some justificationf or that
Its kinda silly to pretend that you can guess the outcome of a series.
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On April 11 2015 00:50 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 00:48 Elentos wrote:On April 11 2015 00:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 11 2015 00:35 Exstasy wrote:On April 11 2015 00:22 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 11 2015 00:17 Clonester wrote:On April 11 2015 00:14 shockaslim wrote:On April 11 2015 00:06 Clonester wrote:On April 10 2015 23:58 GumBa wrote:
What happened to this thread? Two 3-0s on changed maps and patched maps for players who get 3-0 anyways. Then the sault came and then the twitter fight against foreigners who have to pray for Blizzgods because sense. In the End someone bought a Team of Koreans who cant compete in Korea and became irrelevant after WCS Change and now these players get transformed to some RPG-Streaming-Machines. But hey, lets bash foreigners who have these teamhouses, these coaches and the korean server to train each day. And earn enough to do so and not to starve. Dude, at least keep it real. Ryung probably would have gotten smoked, but Impact had a legit shot. He lost twice against Bio Play. Nothing has changed to the Bio-Zerg-Meta. You can argue that the third game was patch intended. But that is not enough, then Gumiho (Mec-God) played one more Bio. They got outplayed and both, Gumiho and Dark had the same patch problems. The Action of GSL was stupid (we cant fix it, lets do the patched maps), but that does not make you go all salty against foreigners because the WCS Change makes you still salty after 6month of its announcement. This "they had the same problems" argument is bullshit. Zerg got major changes to a key unit, Terran didn't. Gumiho plays mech, constantly, Impact prepared against mech (using Swarmhost as you have to). Suddenly he can't play that style anymore and his prep ends up being worthless. Gumiho beats him. Not a single match should have been played today under those conditions. Changing the game hours before an event and giving no player any proper prep time when its a single elimination match to get to Code S is absolute nonsense and you know it. Rest of your argument is irrelevant bullshit. So what if the game was played pre-patch, Impact has prepared only SW strats and then gumiho goes bio?
Chances are he doesn't go bio prepatch. That's kinda silly. Gumiho would also prepare for the series and the possible maps that come, you think he throws that out the window on short notice because of a patch that doesn't change the way mech plays except for raven heavy comps? If anything the patch should have made him go mech even more. It's Gumi. Pretty fair chance he's right
It's more likely that it's a combination of maps + mindgame though. Maps because Iron Fortress horizontal doesn't look like it's brilliant for mech and the last time I saw Gumi mech on Overgrowth he got royally stomped because he was too greedy. Mindgames because obviously everyone expects him to go mech all the time.
And it was pretty obvious Impact was well prepared because even the first thing he did on Deadwing was scout for a proxy.
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On April 11 2015 00:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 00:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I completely understand TBs frustration, but it's kind of silly to pretend like Impact wasn't gonna get 3-0'd or 3-1'd at best this series. Gumiho is just a much better player. That being said, it's complete bullshit that they make players play on the new patch and I would love to hear some justificationf or that Its kinda silly to pretend that you can guess the outcome of a series.
I mean, I know there's a lot of varience in starcraft, i sure didn't expect innovation to lose today, but within reason you often can when one player is a massive favorite
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On April 11 2015 01:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 00:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 11 2015 00:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I completely understand TBs frustration, but it's kind of silly to pretend like Impact wasn't gonna get 3-0'd or 3-1'd at best this series. Gumiho is just a much better player. That being said, it's complete bullshit that they make players play on the new patch and I would love to hear some justificationf or that Its kinda silly to pretend that you can guess the outcome of a series. I mean, I know there's a lot of varience in starcraft, i sure didn't expect innovation to lose today, but within reason you often can when one player is a massive favorite
Gumiho being the favourite in that match is questionable. Every series Impact has played in the last 6 months against Gumiho has been close. 2-3 in Leifeng Cup 72, 2-0 in Impacts favour in Januaries Olimoleague finals, 2-3 again in Leifeng Cup 48, 1-2 in Olimoleague November. If you want to talk predictions, you should look at the statistical facts. Gumiho and Impact are neck and neck over the last 6 months with Gumiho holding a slight advantage. There is nothing in those stats that says "Gumiho is going to win 3-0!" not at all. TvZ is his weakest matchup right now, so no, I dont think you can come in here and safely say "Gumiho was going to win anyway" because the stats say otherwise.
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