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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
April 10 2015 17:41 GMT
#661
On April 11 2015 02:35 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 01:58 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:41 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:24 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
[quote]
I mean, I know there's a lot of varience in starcraft, i sure didn't expect innovation to lose today, but within reason you often can when one player is a massive favorite


Gumiho being the favourite in that match is questionable. Every series Impact has played in the last 6 months against Gumiho has been close. 2-3 in Leifeng Cup 72, 2-0 in Impacts favour in Januaries Olimoleague finals, 2-3 again in Leifeng Cup 48, 1-2 in Olimoleague November. If you want to talk predictions, you should look at the statistical facts. Gumiho and Impact are neck and neck over the last 6 months with Gumiho holding a slight advantage. There is nothing in those stats that says "Gumiho is going to win 3-0!" not at all. TvZ is his weakest matchup right now, so no, I dont think you can come in here and safely say "Gumiho was going to win anyway" because the stats say otherwise.


Never take results from online minor leagues too seriously. Like, we seen some crazy shit in Olimoleagues, like MKP vs Choya finals becasue you can't fully tell how hard players are trying. I mean shit, I played in Olimolleauges and got a walkover from Cure cause he didn't feel like playing then played a half decent game against Trap cause he was probably playing with one hand. It know that's different, but it just shows that Olimo is not the best place to pull results from

But this is all besides the point because we're arguing an aside from my greater point in my original post. What happened was bullshit, and it's hard to believe the players and teams would be anything but furious with GSL right now


I'll take actual stats over guessing any day of the week.

And yes, I am rightly furious about what GSL did and doubly furious at the way people in the community are acting when I know had it been a popular Korean or foreigner in that same situation they'd have pitched a fit. Why anyone expects me not to go to bat for my team I really have no idea. There is no "foreigner vs korean" drama, Morrow got salty, Miniraiser pitched a fit and Reddit ran with it, that's it.


I'm looking at your twitter right now and those tweets weren't in replay to anyone, so you certainly didn't help things. No one isn't expecting you to not go to bat for your team, but don't shit on other leagues entirely and expect drama to not happen.


Nobody shit on any league. WCS is easier than Code A, that's a fact. Hell it's easier than Olimoleague, that's also a fact. Now either you can accept that as a fact or not but it won't change the fact. WCS has 3 Koreans in it and they're not even 3 top-tier Koreans. It is even easier than WCS Europe Season 1 ink 2013 which had 4 Koreans in it. Those are all facts. That is not calling foreigners shit, that is rightfully saying they are not as good as Koreans which is not even controversial in the slightest.

When I said people should be grateful they dont have to go through Code A I fucking well meant it. Code A is completely cut-throat. There are no second chances and more often than not the Code S participants are decided based on who got the lucky mismatch. Some people get sOs and Dark and get shit all over, as you would expect. Some people get easier opponents. It's only one match and I think it's extremely flawed. It should at least be a dual-tournament format.


I agree a dual tournament would be far superior and the fact that Code A isn't a real tournament anymore is a huge let down. But to adress you previous point, I'm not tring to argue that Code A isn't super difficult, but it was unneccessary to go there and talk about it on twitter. If it were in reply to someone, you don't have to respond in a way you KNOW is gonna start drama. People are sensitive about stuff that's extremely important to their careers, that works both ways not just to you and your team


I'm sorry but I just don't view what I said originally as inflammatory. You can hold me to account for getting into it with Morrow and Miniraiser all you please and i won't disagree with you. That was tit for tat and could have been avoided. I won't apologise for the original statement though because it was not offensive nor was it inaccurate. Korea is a fucking sharkpit right now, it has NEVER been this competitive, players should feel grateful not to be eaten in it.

Damn right I'm also annoyed that my guys have to go back and play there when they had success in WCS America (which was also very competitive until they sent all the Koreans home), my concern is for my players well being, I want them to get as much money as possible so that when they retire they will not be broke and have wasted their time. Problem is, while WCS America was far superior to WCS Europe as a tournament, it also got less viewers, so hey, what can ya do?


I guess we can both agree that this all could have been avoided to some extent. Korea is a sharkpit no doubt, but there's also more for Koreans sharks to chew on right now, so it's not all negatives. Let's hope some foreigners decide to jump in at some point, ones better than MacSed, Jim and no-practice Scarlett


I feel like this last part is a bit unfair. Most if not all players would have gotten trashed by Parting and Maru, foreigner or not. I think you give MacSed or Jim a different opponent and they both could have at the very least put up a fight. I think it goes back to the "luck of the draw" vs group debate more so than it does "get better foreigners". Because lets be honest, Jim and Macsed are two of the best.

I have to agree, even if the foreigners had been Bunny, Snute and *insert great foreign player here*, in single elimination vs PartinG, Maru and in-form TY, you're kinda out of luck.
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
April 10 2015 18:18 GMT
#662
On April 11 2015 01:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 01:46 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:41 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:24 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:19 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:13 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 11 2015 01:05 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On April 11 2015 00:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 11 2015 00:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
I completely understand TBs frustration, but it's kind of silly to pretend like Impact wasn't gonna get 3-0'd or 3-1'd at best this series. Gumiho is just a much better player. That being said, it's complete bullshit that they make players play on the new patch and I would love to hear some justificationf or that


Its kinda silly to pretend that you can guess the outcome of a series.

I mean, I know there's a lot of varience in starcraft, i sure didn't expect innovation to lose today, but within reason you often can when one player is a massive favorite


Gumiho being the favourite in that match is questionable. Every series Impact has played in the last 6 months against Gumiho has been close. 2-3 in Leifeng Cup 72, 2-0 in Impacts favour in Januaries Olimoleague finals, 2-3 again in Leifeng Cup 48, 1-2 in Olimoleague November. If you want to talk predictions, you should look at the statistical facts. Gumiho and Impact are neck and neck over the last 6 months with Gumiho holding a slight advantage. There is nothing in those stats that says "Gumiho is going to win 3-0!" not at all. TvZ is his weakest matchup right now, so no, I dont think you can come in here and safely say "Gumiho was going to win anyway" because the stats say otherwise.


Never take results from online minor leagues too seriously. Like, we seen some crazy shit in Olimoleagues, like MKP vs Choya finals becasue you can't fully tell how hard players are trying. I mean shit, I played in Olimolleauges and got a walkover from Cure cause he didn't feel like playing then played a half decent game against Trap cause he was probably playing with one hand. It know that's different, but it just shows that Olimo is not the best place to pull results from

But this is all besides the point because we're arguing an aside from my greater point in my original post. What happened was bullshit, and it's hard to believe the players and teams would be anything but furious with GSL right now


I'll take actual stats over guessing any day of the week.

And yes, I am rightly furious about what GSL did and doubly furious at the way people in the community are acting when I know had it been a popular Korean or foreigner in that same situation they'd have pitched a fit. Why anyone expects me not to go to bat for my team I really have no idea. There is no "foreigner vs korean" drama, Morrow got salty, Miniraiser pitched a fit and Reddit ran with it, that's it.


I'm looking at your twitter right now and those tweets weren't in replay to anyone, so you certainly didn't help things. No one isn't expecting you to not go to bat for your team, but don't shit on other leagues entirely and expect drama to not happen.


Nobody shit on any league. WCS is easier than Code A, that's a fact. Hell it's easier than Olimoleague, that's also a fact. Now either you can accept that as a fact or not but it won't change the fact. WCS has 3 Koreans in it and they're not even 3 top-tier Koreans. It is even easier than WCS Europe Season 1 ink 2013 which had 4 Koreans in it. Those are all facts. That is not calling foreigners shit, that is rightfully saying they are not as good as Koreans which is not even controversial in the slightest.

When I said people should be grateful they dont have to go through Code A I fucking well meant it. Code A is completely cut-throat. There are no second chances and more often than not the Code S participants are decided based on who got the lucky mismatch. Some people get sOs and Dark and get shit all over, as you would expect. Some people get easier opponents. It's only one match and I think it's extremely flawed. It should at least be a dual-tournament format.


I agree a dual tournament would be far superior and the fact that Code A isn't a real tournament anymore is a huge let down. But to adress you previous point, I'm not tring to argue that Code A isn't super difficult, but it was unneccessary to go there and talk about it on twitter. If it were in reply to someone, you don't have to respond in a way you KNOW is gonna start drama. People are sensitive about stuff that's extremely important to their careers, that works both ways not just to you and your team


I'm sorry but I just don't view what I said originally as inflammatory. You can hold me to account for getting into it with Morrow and Miniraiser all you please and i won't disagree with you. That was tit for tat and could have been avoided. I won't apologise for the original statement though because it was not offensive nor was it inaccurate. Korea is a fucking sharkpit right now, it has NEVER been this competitive, players should feel grateful not to be eaten in it.

Damn right I'm also annoyed that my guys have to go back and play there when they had success in WCS America (which was also very competitive until they sent all the Koreans home), my concern is for my players well being, I want them to get as much money as possible so that when they retire they will not be broke and have wasted their time. Problem is, while WCS America was far superior to WCS Europe as a tournament, it also got less viewers, so hey, what can ya do?

I don't think you can say that WCS America was far superior to WCS Europe, given that MMA reached top4 in the first GSL after the recombination and YoDa and MC made it to the top-16 as well, while no WCS NA player managed to do the same.

In general I agree with your point of view though, especially given that the payout for Code A is 360 dollars, which is ridicolously low, compared to the 2k of WCS Challenger (which might be a bit of a consolation, if one would lose the 1 crucial match.) I think it wouldn't hurt to go back to the old system, having a single elim bracket with people droping down from different stages of Code S and group stages for everyone who loses. The current system makes a single match to important and stuff happening, which isn't supposed to happen get's more damage done this way.
swag_bro
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
Japan782 Posts
April 10 2015 19:22 GMT
#663
LOLOLOLOLOL I can't believe people think that Super can beat a top Terran like Flash. That is funny. Flash is really really good right now. He will win this GSL. Mark my words.
They hate us 'cause they ain't us.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
April 10 2015 19:30 GMT
#664
On April 11 2015 04:22 swag_bro wrote:
LOLOLOLOLOL I can't believe people think that Super can beat a top Terran like Flash. That is funny. Flash is really really good right now. He will win this GSL. Mark my words.

soO though
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
April 10 2015 19:32 GMT
#665
Oh my, what have I missed today? I was considering buying TL+ just for TB-filter but luckily the thread is short enough for "view all" and then I can just search. Next time TL, you need to try harder to get my money What I have to appreciate that even though I didn't have the time to pack lunch for the day, this has given me far enough for my daily supply of salt.

Also, TB is a total douchebag online but that doesn't mean that he isn't a total boss as well!
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
April 10 2015 19:34 GMT
#666
On April 11 2015 04:30 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 04:22 swag_bro wrote:
LOLOLOLOLOL I can't believe people think that Super can beat a top Terran like Flash. That is funny. Flash is really really good right now. He will win this GSL. Mark my words.

soO though

soO is destined for 2nd places for all eternity now :S
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 10 2015 19:47 GMT
#667
I really wish people would keep their offensive and obnoxious posting to reddit.

as if ryung or impact would have advanced today anyway. dark could beat ryung on steppes of war with warhounds in the game.

Zerg for Life
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 19:49:53
April 10 2015 19:49 GMT
#668
On April 11 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:
I really wish people would keep their offensive and obnoxious posting to reddit.

as if ryung or impact would have advanced today anyway. dark could beat ryung on steppes of war with warhounds in the game.



We've already had this conversations and the stats show your Impact argument is bullshit.

Ryung beating Dark is unlikely, but there is absolutely no need to be a disrespectful shitbag about it

Take your own advice

I really wish people would keep their offensive and obnoxious posting to reddit.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 10 2015 19:51 GMT
#669
On April 11 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:
as if ryung or impact would have advanced today anyway. dark could beat ryung on steppes of war with warhounds in the game.

Of course since he would die to 1 supply burrowed Roaches before
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 10 2015 19:53 GMT
#670
This thread was meant to be a place of tranquility to enjoy the game we all love guys. And maybe a little bit of salt.
WHAT HAS THIS BECOME
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 10 2015 19:57 GMT
#671
On April 11 2015 04:53 GumBa wrote:
This thread was meant to be a place of tranquility to enjoy the game we all love guys. And maybe a little bit of salt.
WHAT HAS THIS BECOME


LR threads... tranquility. RIIIGHTTT
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GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 10 2015 19:58 GMT
#672
On April 11 2015 04:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 04:53 GumBa wrote:
This thread was meant to be a place of tranquility to enjoy the game we all love guys. And maybe a little bit of salt.
WHAT HAS THIS BECOME


LR threads... tranquility. RIIIGHTTT

U GOTTA BELIEEEEEEEVE TB TO MAKE IT REEEEEEAL
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
April 10 2015 19:58 GMT
#673
On April 11 2015 04:53 GumBa wrote:
This thread was meant to be a place of tranquility (...). And maybe a little bit of salt.
WHAT HAS THIS BECOME

Well, that's easy. Just switch the two nouns:

On April 11 2015 04:53 GumBa wrote:
This thread was meant to be a place of salt (...). And maybe a little bit of tranquility.

KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
April 10 2015 19:58 GMT
#674
On April 11 2015 04:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:
I really wish people would keep their offensive and obnoxious posting to reddit.

as if ryung or impact would have advanced today anyway. dark could beat ryung on steppes of war with warhounds in the game.



We've already had this conversations and the stats show your Impact argument is bullshit.

Ryung beating Dark is unlikely, but there is absolutely no need to be a disrespectful shitbag about it

Take your own advice

Show nested quote +
I really wish people would keep their offensive and obnoxious posting to reddit.


It's not disrespectful to say Dark is better than Ryung, i'm allowed to make jokes LR is a pretty light hearted place.

I'm really happy that Dark got through he is one of my favourite players and Gumiho is an awesome, entertaining Terran who will be a great addition to the GSL.

Unfortunately you completely killed the buzz here by bitching up a storm , which was rather unprofessional from a team manager.

If you want to do that shit on reddit then be my guest but It's kind of sad to see you using a TL LR thread for that purpose.



Zerg for Life
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 10 2015 19:59 GMT
#675
On April 11 2015 04:58 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 04:53 GumBa wrote:
This thread was meant to be a place of tranquility (...). And maybe a little bit of salt.
WHAT HAS THIS BECOME

Well, that's easy. Just switch the two nouns:

Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 04:53 GumBa wrote:
This thread was meant to be a place of salt (...). And maybe a little bit of tranquility.


well played
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Cowboy64
Profile Joined April 2015
115 Posts
April 10 2015 20:10 GMT
#676
I am happy Flash won.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37034 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 20:13:36
April 10 2015 20:12 GMT
#677
On April 11 2015 04:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 04:53 GumBa wrote:
This thread was meant to be a place of tranquility to enjoy the game we all love guys. And maybe a little bit of salt.
WHAT HAS THIS BECOME


LR threads... tranquility. RIIIGHTTT

TB, quick question, I see you use WCS Worlds a lot. But isn't that saying World Championship Series Worlds?
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
April 10 2015 21:15 GMT
#678
On April 11 2015 04:58 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 04:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 11 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:
I really wish people would keep their offensive and obnoxious posting to reddit.

as if ryung or impact would have advanced today anyway. dark could beat ryung on steppes of war with warhounds in the game.



We've already had this conversations and the stats show your Impact argument is bullshit.

Ryung beating Dark is unlikely, but there is absolutely no need to be a disrespectful shitbag about it

Take your own advice

I really wish people would keep their offensive and obnoxious posting to reddit.


It's not disrespectful to say Dark is better than Ryung, i'm allowed to make jokes LR is a pretty light hearted place.

I'm really happy that Dark got through he is one of my favourite players and Gumiho is an awesome, entertaining Terran who will be a great addition to the GSL.

Unfortunately you completely killed the buzz here by bitching up a storm , which was rather unprofessional from a team manager.

If you want to do that shit on reddit then be my guest but It's kind of sad to see you using a TL LR thread for that purpose.


Come one, if he wouldn't be TB noone would complain about him bitching. By being a team owner, he doesn't lose his right to have an opinion. And complaining about the patch-situation seems viable to me. The whole thing with Morrow and Miniraiser - well, that is twitter drama, noone should care to much about it.

I feel, that the whole concept of "unprofessionalism" is often blown out of proportion. He probably shouldn't start picking fights from the official Axiom twitter, but as a private person, he still has the right to express his opinions; as right ("wrong information about patch is bad", "Code A harder than WCS") or as wrong ("WCS NA > WCS EU", "Nani killed his career and will never find a team again", "Round Robin not best format mankind ever created") they may be (right and wrong examples are subjectively judged by me here, I do not claim, that my opinions are always right either [Except for the Round Robin part, that is indeed the best format, mankind ever created"]).
PepsiMaxxxx
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden5452 Posts
April 10 2015 21:29 GMT
#679
On April 11 2015 04:58 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 04:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 11 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:
I really wish people would keep their offensive and obnoxious posting to reddit.

as if ryung or impact would have advanced today anyway. dark could beat ryung on steppes of war with warhounds in the game.



We've already had this conversations and the stats show your Impact argument is bullshit.

Ryung beating Dark is unlikely, but there is absolutely no need to be a disrespectful shitbag about it

Take your own advice

I really wish people would keep their offensive and obnoxious posting to reddit.


It's not disrespectful to say Dark is better than Ryung, i'm allowed to make jokes LR is a pretty light hearted place.

I'm really happy that Dark got through he is one of my favourite players and Gumiho is an awesome, entertaining Terran who will be a great addition to the GSL.

Unfortunately you completely killed the buzz here by bitching up a storm , which was rather unprofessional from a team manager.

If you want to do that shit on reddit then be my guest but It's kind of sad to see you using a TL LR thread for that purpose.




I once got banned because my joke wasn't funny enough. :D
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 10 2015 21:45 GMT
#680
On April 11 2015 06:29 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:


I once got banned because my joke wasn't funny enough. :D


I made a joke and Morrow took offense then there was twitter drama, so join the club.
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