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VODs aren't really exclusively free on the GOM Exp app, they're just YT vids set to private links. LOL.
[Code A] Day 6 Season 2 2015 - Page 35
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orvinreyes
577 Posts
Part 1: Part 2: http://youtu.be/BhIvgkCPf9Y VODs aren't really exclusively free on the GOM Exp app, they're just YT vids set to private links. LOL. | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On April 11 2015 04:58 KelsierSC wrote: It's not disrespectful to say Dark is better than Ryung, i'm allowed to make jokes LR is a pretty light hearted place. I'm really happy that Dark got through he is one of my favourite players and Gumiho is an awesome, entertaining Terran who will be a great addition to the GSL. Unfortunately you completely killed the buzz here by bitching up a storm , which was rather unprofessional from a team manager. If you want to do that shit on reddit then be my guest but It's kind of sad to see you using a TL LR thread for that purpose. Heard it here first folks. Don't complain about rule changes that disadvantage your players because it doesn't matter anyway. You were going to get beat so lie there and take it. I stand by what I said. If this was Snute and Bunny and not Impact and Ryung, the forums would've been shut down for eternity by now | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 11 2015 11:42 showstealer1829 wrote: Heard it here first folks. Don't complain about rule changes that disadvantage your players because it doesn't matter anyway. You were going to get beat so lie there and take it. I stand by what I said. If this was Snute and Bunny and not Impact and Ryung, the forums would've been shut down for eternity by now Yup. I will thoroughly discard anyones opinion who is defending GOMs actions on this one as being a result of one of the following. Ignorance Jealousy Hatred If it were a popular player affected, the pitchforks would be out, but hey, because we dont have the tip-top tier guys, it's suddenly ok to fuck us over. I dont think so. I won't stand for it. Nobody can predict the results but what is absolutely crystal clear to anyone with a functioning brain is that changing the rules hours before an event is not ok and WILL affect preparation, particularly if you're prepping a SH style against a player known to rely heavily on mech. Those are the facts, there's no disputing them as far as I'm concerned and had I not spoken up I'd not be doing my job as a team owner, so people can take their hate and shove it up their arse. As for the other bullshit about foreigners, as Morrow admitted in Twitch chat today, he didnt even READ the GSL tweets, he saw one tweet out of context and took offense, then Reddit ran with the rest of the argument after Miniraiser butted in with his childish bullshit. What a proud day for the forums. I'll take responsibility for perpetuating the argument, but not for starting it. | ||
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lastride
2390 Posts
On April 11 2015 10:36 orvinreyes wrote: Super vs Flash VODs Part 1: http://youtu.be/BhIvgkCPf9Y Part 2: http://youtu.be/BhIvgkCPf9Y VODs aren't really exclusively free on the GOM Exp app, they're just YT vids set to private links. LOL. wow thanks man, however the 2nd link is the same as the first | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On April 11 2015 11:42 showstealer1829 wrote: Heard it here first folks. Don't complain about rule changes that disadvantage your players because it doesn't matter anyway. You were going to get beat so lie there and take it. I stand by what I said. If this was Snute and Bunny and not Impact and Ryung, the forums would've been shut down for eternity by now GOM were absolutely in the wrong here , I am not disputing that fact. However what I am disappointed with is the reaction of the Axiom manager and the method he selected to air his grievances. In my opinion the correct way would be to email GOM about the situation and ask them to issue a statement of an apology or something similar. If they decline or make no contact then make a thread explaining the facts. 1) GOMtv told the players that the maps would be an older version 2) On the day of the match this was not the case and they had to play on the patched version 3) for whatever reason this was worse for the axiom players than everyone else. I think that is the professional way of doing things and would have been the correct PR move for his team and it stops the LR thread becoming ...whatever this is. The unprofessional method is to immediately come into this thread and reddit, insult every foreign player, start crying like a baby , ruin the atmosphere of the thread and then get into twitter fights with random starcraft personalities. hijacking the communtiy to deliberately create a "pitchfork" response is a disgusting move. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18629 Posts
I mean if a small team like Root can do it for hydra, surely Axiom can do it as well? hydra has given up his home and life in Korea and TB wants his players to get the same opportunity by sacrificing nothing? Not really fair | ||
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Moridin
Bulgaria167 Posts
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Elentos
55571 Posts
On April 11 2015 21:03 sharkie wrote: Why doesn't Axiom just get their players visa? I mean if a small team like Root can do it for hydra, surely Axiom can do it as well? hydra has given up his home and life in Korea and TB wants his players to get the same opportunity by sacrificing nothing? Not really fair So what you're saying is that it's fair that the only chance to play in WCS is to leave basically everything you know and love behind and go to another country? He doesn't want the "same opportunity by sacrificing nothing" for his players, he wants the sacrifice itself gone because he thinks it's stupid that players have to make these sacrifices if they want to play in WCS. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 11 2015 21:03 sharkie wrote: Why doesn't Axiom just get their players visa? I mean if a small team like Root can do it for hydra, surely Axiom can do it as well? hydra has given up his home and life in Korea and TB wants his players to get the same opportunity by sacrificing nothing? Not really fair Because we have a fucking team-house and Hydra didnt. Plus have you ever considered that our guys might not want to uproot and move to America? 3 of them can barely speak a word of English for gods sake. The unprofessional method is to immediately come into this thread and reddit, insult every foreign player, start crying like a baby , ruin the atmosphere of the thread and then get into twitter fights with random starcraft personalities. hijacking the communtiy to deliberately create a "pitchfork" response is a disgusting move. Yeaaah fuck off with this. The only pitchforking going on is coming from people like you and Reddit who turned this into a giant shitfest that had nothing to do with the original grievance. A manager who does not advocate and use everything at his disposal to demand justice for his players is a shitty manager and if you thought I "insulted every foreign player" you have a paper-thin skin. WCS is easier than Code A is not an insult, it's a fact. Saying foreigners should be grateful that Blizzard finally catered to them with a big money tournament rather than what they've been doing the last few years is not controversial and I stand by the sentiment. If SC2 was an actual meritocracy, Blizzard wouldnt do that, but they threw you a bone, least you can do is show some damn solidarity for the players who have a much harder time of it trying to survive in the sharkpit that is Korean eSports right now, who are practicing 10 hours a day just to barely keep their head above water in an environment so competitive that people like Zest and sOo can lose in the qualifiers. So feel free to continue to misinterpret what I said after I clarified it, but that just makes you look like an idiot. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18629 Posts
On April 11 2015 21:48 TotalBiscuit wrote: Because we have a fucking team-house and Hydra didnt. Plus have you ever considered that our guys might not want to uproot and move to America? 3 of them can barely speak a word of English for gods sake. Yeaaah fuck off with this. The only pitchforking going on is coming from people like you and Reddit who turned this into a giant shitfest that had nothing to do with the original grievance. A manager who does not advocate and use everything at his disposal to demand justice for his players is a shitty manager and if you thought I "insulted every foreign player" you have a paper-thin skin. WCS is easier than Code A is not an insult, it's a fact. Saying foreigners should be grateful that Blizzard finally catered to them with a big money tournament rather than what they've been doing the last few years is not controversial and I stand by the sentiment. If SC2 was an actual meritocracy, Blizzard wouldnt do that, but they threw you a bone, least you can do is show some damn solidarity for the players who have a much harder time of it trying to survive in the sharkpit that is Korean eSports right now, who are practicing 10 hours a day just to barely keep their head above water in an environment so competitive that people like Zest and sOo can lose in the qualifiers. So feel free to continue to misinterpret what I said after I clarified it, but that just makes you look like an idiot. Pretty sure CJ has a bigger teamhouse than Axiom LOL | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On April 11 2015 21:48 TotalBiscuit wrote: Because we have a fucking team-house and Hydra didnt. Plus have you ever considered that our guys might not want to uproot and move to America? 3 of them can barely speak a word of English for gods sake. Yeaaah fuck off with this. The only pitchforking going on is coming from people like you and Reddit who turned this into a giant shitfest that had nothing to do with the original grievance. A manager who does not advocate and use everything at his disposal to demand justice for his players is a shitty manager and if you thought I "insulted every foreign player" you have a paper-thin skin. WCS is easier than Code A is not an insult, it's a fact. Saying foreigners should be grateful that Blizzard finally catered to them with a big money tournament rather than what they've been doing the last few years is not controversial and I stand by the sentiment. If SC2 was an actual meritocracy, Blizzard wouldnt do that, but they threw you a bone, least you can do is show some damn solidarity for the players who have a much harder time of it trying to survive in the sharkpit that is Korean eSports right now, who are practicing 10 hours a day just to barely keep their head above water in an environment so competitive that people like Zest and sOo can lose in the qualifiers. So feel free to continue to misinterpret what I said after I clarified it, but that just makes you look like an idiot. I don't really care about the foreign scene to be honest. There was a professional and mature method of approaching the disagreement with GOM which I outlined. That would have been the best way for both parties to handle it. Then there is what you did. You can say what you like about "demanding justice" or whatever but all you've managed to do is damage your brand and reputation. anyway I have nothing more to say on the matter, looking forward to seeing quality GSL players in code S. go go dark and Flash! | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 11 2015 21:48 TotalBiscuit wrote: Because we have a fucking team-house and Hydra didnt. Plus have you ever considered that our guys might not want to uproot and move to America? 3 of them can barely speak a word of English for gods sake. Yeaaah fuck off with this. The only pitchforking going on is coming from people like you and Reddit who turned this into a giant shitfest that had nothing to do with the original grievance. A manager who does not advocate and use everything at his disposal to demand justice for his players is a shitty manager and if you thought I "insulted every foreign player" you have a paper-thin skin. WCS is easier than Code A is not an insult, it's a fact. Saying foreigners should be grateful that Blizzard finally catered to them with a big money tournament rather than what they've been doing the last few years is not controversial and I stand by the sentiment. If SC2 was an actual meritocracy, Blizzard wouldnt do that, but they threw you a bone, least you can do is show some damn solidarity for the players who have a much harder time of it trying to survive in the sharkpit that is Korean eSports right now, who are practicing 10 hours a day just to barely keep their head above water in an environment so competitive that people like Zest and sOo can lose in the qualifiers. So feel free to continue to misinterpret what I said after I clarified it, but that just makes you look like an idiot. Hydra, who was a CJ player, didn't have a teamhouse? Really?... And do you really think that Hydra knew a word of english before he joined ROOT? | ||
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On April 11 2015 16:23 lastride wrote: wow thanks man, however the 2nd link is the same as the first haha this is awesome. Are there all the Matches or just one and how can I find out the other ones  ? | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 11 2015 22:20 OtherWorld wrote: Hydra, who was a CJ player, didn't have a teamhouse? Really?... And do you really think that Hydra knew a word of english before he joined ROOT? Are you being deliberately obtuse or are you just that clueless? Hydra, joined ROOT. Hydra, before going to America, was NOT living in a teamhouse. Even if he were living in a teamhouse and was still part of CJ (which he wasnt, he left CJ 3 weeks before joining ROOT), CJ would be just fine continuing to operate their teamhouse without him there. So, with the teamhouse that we currently have a signed lease to, your grand suggestion is that we move all of our players to America, presumably to a second teamhouse (which currently doesn't exist), while continuing to pay for the first teamhouse which is now empty besides our two guests from Dead Pixels. Flawless plan. I cannot imagine why we don't immediately consult you for advice on how to run a Korean eSports team. Pretty sure CJ has a bigger teamhouse than Axiom LOL Number of CJ players currently living in the US - Zero. Now I'm convinced you guys are just pretending to be that stupid, because it requires an astonishing lack of common sense to post something this dumb. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18629 Posts
On April 12 2015 07:18 TotalBiscuit wrote: Are you being deliberately obtuse or are you just that clueless? Hydra, joined ROOT. Hydra, before going to America, was NOT living in a teamhouse. Even if he were living in a teamhouse and was still part of CJ (which he wasnt, he left CJ 3 weeks before joining ROOT), CJ would be just fine continuing to operate their teamhouse without him there. So, with the teamhouse that we currently have a signed lease to, your grand suggestion is that we move all of our players to America, presumably to a second teamhouse (which currently doesn't exist), while continuing to pay for the first teamhouse which is now empty besides our two guests from Dead Pixels. Flawless plan. I cannot imagine why we don't immediately consult you for advice on how to run a Korean eSports team. Hey you just found your solution! It's a better plan than your current one at least. All your player would earn thousands of dollars, get lots of reputation and you'd have no reason to blame GSL for your players' losses. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On April 12 2015 07:27 sharkie wrote: Hey you just found your solution! It's a better plan than your current one at least. All your player would earn thousands of dollars, get lots of reputation and you'd have no reason to blame GSL for your players' losses. Come back to me when you've run a team for a while and we can talk about your feelings then. Until that time, you might want to stop talking, since you are completely clueless. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On April 12 2015 07:18 TotalBiscuit wrote: Are you being deliberately obtuse or are you just that clueless? Hydra, joined ROOT. Hydra, before going to America, was NOT living in a teamhouse. Even if he were living in a teamhouse and was still part of CJ (which he wasnt, he left CJ 3 weeks before joining ROOT), CJ would be just fine continuing to operate their teamhouse without him there. So, with the teamhouse that we currently have a signed lease to, your grand suggestion is that we move all of our players to America, presumably to a second teamhouse (which currently doesn't exist), while continuing to pay for the first teamhouse which is now empty besides our two guests from Dead Pixels. Flawless plan. I cannot imagine why we don't immediately consult you for advice on how to run a Korean eSports team. Number of CJ players currently living in the US - Zero. Now I'm convinced you guys are just pretending to be that stupid, because it requires an astonishing lack of common sense to post something this dumb. My grand suggestion is none, since I don't run your team^^ All I am saying is that, sharkie said that Hydra gave up his life and home in Korea to compete in WCS, and asked why Axiom couldn't do the same if you wanted to. You answered by saying that it's because you have a teamhouse while hydra didn't, which I admit is a fair point if you're talking from a team-owner perspective and not from a player perspective. Now that doesn't change anything to the fact that Hydra still had to abandon his life and home, and practice environment, thus if you want to compete in WCS it would be fair that you do the same and move your teamhouse to foreign lands - once your contract for the current teamhouse is over, although since I obviously don't know the details I'm not sure if that'd be possible. And please, unless you are answering to someone who straight-up insulted you (like some did, i admit), it'd be nice from you to avoid insults. Besides, the fact that zero CJ players live in the US has literally nothing to do with CJ's teamhouse being probably bigger than Axiom's. | ||
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