We live in a world where TANGTANG can beat Zest and Has beat TANGTANG. I do believe in favorites, but there's a reason we play out the entire bracket instead of just giving Life another trophy.
On April 11 2015 01:16 stuchiu wrote: We live in a world where TANGTANG can beat Zest and Has beat TANGTANG. I do believe in favorites, but there's a reason we play out the entire bracket instead of just giving Life another trophy.
On April 11 2015 01:16 stuchiu wrote: We live in a world where TANGTANG can beat Zest and Has beat TANGTANG. I do believe in favorites, but there's a reason we play out the entire bracket instead of just giving Life another trophy.
You guys will never stop reminding me this right? *sigh*
On April 11 2015 00:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I completely understand TBs frustration, but it's kind of silly to pretend like Impact wasn't gonna get 3-0'd or 3-1'd at best this series. Gumiho is just a much better player. That being said, it's complete bullshit that they make players play on the new patch and I would love to hear some justificationf or that
Its kinda silly to pretend that you can guess the outcome of a series.
I mean, I know there's a lot of varience in starcraft, i sure didn't expect innovation to lose today, but within reason you often can when one player is a massive favorite
Gumiho being the favourite in that match is questionable. Every series Impact has played in the last 6 months against Gumiho has been close. 2-3 in Leifeng Cup 72, 2-0 in Impacts favour in Januaries Olimoleague finals, 2-3 again in Leifeng Cup 48, 1-2 in Olimoleague November. If you want to talk predictions, you should look at the statistical facts. Gumiho and Impact are neck and neck over the last 6 months with Gumiho holding a slight advantage. There is nothing in those stats that says "Gumiho is going to win 3-0!" not at all. TvZ is his weakest matchup right now, so no, I dont think you can come in here and safely say "Gumiho was going to win anyway" because the stats say otherwise.
Never take results from online minor leagues too seriously. Like, we seen some crazy shit in Olimoleagues, like MKP vs Choya finals becasue you can't fully tell how hard players are trying. I mean shit, I played in Olimolleauges and got a walkover from Cure cause he didn't feel like playing then played a half decent game against Trap cause he was probably playing with one hand. It know that's different, but it just shows that Olimo is not the best place to pull results from
But this is all besides the point because we're arguing an aside from my greater point in my original post. What happened was bullshit, and it's hard to believe the players and teams would be anything but furious with GSL right now
On April 11 2015 00:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I completely understand TBs frustration, but it's kind of silly to pretend like Impact wasn't gonna get 3-0'd or 3-1'd at best this series. Gumiho is just a much better player. That being said, it's complete bullshit that they make players play on the new patch and I would love to hear some justificationf or that
Its kinda silly to pretend that you can guess the outcome of a series.
I mean, I know there's a lot of varience in starcraft, i sure didn't expect innovation to lose today, but within reason you often can when one player is a massive favorite
Gumiho being the favourite in that match is questionable. Every series Impact has played in the last 6 months against Gumiho has been close. 2-3 in Leifeng Cup 72, 2-0 in Impacts favour in Januaries Olimoleague finals, 2-3 again in Leifeng Cup 48, 1-2 in Olimoleague November. If you want to talk predictions, you should look at the statistical facts. Gumiho and Impact are neck and neck over the last 6 months with Gumiho holding a slight advantage. There is nothing in those stats that says "Gumiho is going to win 3-0!" not at all. TvZ is his weakest matchup right now, so no, I dont think you can come in here and safely say "Gumiho was going to win anyway" because the stats say otherwise.
Never take results from online minor leagues too seriously. Like, we seen some crazy shit in Olimoleagues, like MKP vs Choya finals becasue you can't fully tell how hard players are trying. I mean shit, I played in Olimolleauges and got a walkover from Cure cause he didn't feel like playing then played a half decent game against Trap cause he was probably playing with one hand. It know that's different, but it just shows that Olimo is not the best place to pull results from
But this is all besides the point because we're arguing an aside from my greater point in my original post. What happened was bullshit, and it's hard to believe the players and teams would be anything but furious with GSL right now
I'll take actual stats over guessing any day of the week.
And yes, I am rightly furious about what GSL did and doubly furious at the way people in the community are acting when I know had it been a popular Korean or foreigner in that same situation they'd have pitched a fit. Why anyone expects me not to go to bat for my team I really have no idea. There is no "foreigner vs korean" drama, Morrow got salty, Miniraiser pitched a fit and Reddit ran with it, that's it.
On April 11 2015 00:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I completely understand TBs frustration, but it's kind of silly to pretend like Impact wasn't gonna get 3-0'd or 3-1'd at best this series. Gumiho is just a much better player. That being said, it's complete bullshit that they make players play on the new patch and I would love to hear some justificationf or that
Its kinda silly to pretend that you can guess the outcome of a series.
I mean, I know there's a lot of varience in starcraft, i sure didn't expect innovation to lose today, but within reason you often can when one player is a massive favorite
Gumiho being the favourite in that match is questionable. Every series Impact has played in the last 6 months against Gumiho has been close. 2-3 in Leifeng Cup 72, 2-0 in Impacts favour in Januaries Olimoleague finals, 2-3 again in Leifeng Cup 48, 1-2 in Olimoleague November. If you want to talk predictions, you should look at the statistical facts. Gumiho and Impact are neck and neck over the last 6 months with Gumiho holding a slight advantage. There is nothing in those stats that says "Gumiho is going to win 3-0!" not at all. TvZ is his weakest matchup right now, so no, I dont think you can come in here and safely say "Gumiho was going to win anyway" because the stats say otherwise.
Never take results from online minor leagues too seriously. Like, we seen some crazy shit in Olimoleagues, like MKP vs Choya finals becasue you can't fully tell how hard players are trying. I mean shit, I played in Olimolleauges and got a walkover from Cure cause he didn't feel like playing then played a half decent game against Trap cause he was probably playing with one hand. It know that's different, but it just shows that Olimo is not the best place to pull results from
But this is all besides the point because we're arguing an aside from my greater point in my original post. What happened was bullshit, and it's hard to believe the players and teams would be anything but furious with GSL right now
I'll take actual stats over guessing any day of the week.
And yes, I am rightly furious about what GSL did and doubly furious at the way people in the community are acting when I know had it been a popular Korean or foreigner in that same situation they'd have pitched a fit. Why anyone expects me not to go to bat for my team I really have no idea. There is no "foreigner vs korean" drama, Morrow got salty, Miniraiser pitched a fit and Reddit ran with it, that's it.
Like I said earlier. Replace Impact with Snute and TL loses its mind. But because it's Impact and Axiom? "Eh. He would've been 3-0'd anyway"
On April 11 2015 00:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I completely understand TBs frustration, but it's kind of silly to pretend like Impact wasn't gonna get 3-0'd or 3-1'd at best this series. Gumiho is just a much better player. That being said, it's complete bullshit that they make players play on the new patch and I would love to hear some justificationf or that
Its kinda silly to pretend that you can guess the outcome of a series.
I mean, I know there's a lot of varience in starcraft, i sure didn't expect innovation to lose today, but within reason you often can when one player is a massive favorite
Gumiho being the favourite in that match is questionable. Every series Impact has played in the last 6 months against Gumiho has been close. 2-3 in Leifeng Cup 72, 2-0 in Impacts favour in Januaries Olimoleague finals, 2-3 again in Leifeng Cup 48, 1-2 in Olimoleague November. If you want to talk predictions, you should look at the statistical facts. Gumiho and Impact are neck and neck over the last 6 months with Gumiho holding a slight advantage. There is nothing in those stats that says "Gumiho is going to win 3-0!" not at all. TvZ is his weakest matchup right now, so no, I dont think you can come in here and safely say "Gumiho was going to win anyway" because the stats say otherwise.
Never take results from online minor leagues too seriously. Like, we seen some crazy shit in Olimoleagues, like MKP vs Choya finals becasue you can't fully tell how hard players are trying. I mean shit, I played in Olimolleauges and got a walkover from Cure cause he didn't feel like playing then played a half decent game against Trap cause he was probably playing with one hand. It know that's different, but it just shows that Olimo is not the best place to pull results from
But this is all besides the point because we're arguing an aside from my greater point in my original post. What happened was bullshit, and it's hard to believe the players and teams would be anything but furious with GSL right now
I'll take actual stats over guessing any day of the week.
And yes, I am rightly furious about what GSL did and doubly furious at the way people in the community are acting when I know had it been a popular Korean or foreigner in that same situation they'd have pitched a fit. Why anyone expects me not to go to bat for my team I really have no idea. There is no "foreigner vs korean" drama, Morrow got salty, Miniraiser pitched a fit and Reddit ran with it, that's it.
Like I said earlier. Replace Impact with Snute and TL loses its mind. But because it's Impact and Axiom? "Eh. He would've been 3-0'd anyway"
Yeah man, you should never take on rookie players and try to develop them as talent, just buy the best most popular guys and the forums will defend everything you do!
Yeah I'm pretty damn sick of people that take a shit on a passion project. I know my team isn't the best, but I'm not going to drop my players into unemployment just because they can't win every event, I'm not a fucking dick.
Gentle reminder btw, Impact 2-0ed Parting like 2 days ago. Never count people out, ever.
On April 11 2015 00:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I completely understand TBs frustration, but it's kind of silly to pretend like Impact wasn't gonna get 3-0'd or 3-1'd at best this series. Gumiho is just a much better player. That being said, it's complete bullshit that they make players play on the new patch and I would love to hear some justificationf or that
Its kinda silly to pretend that you can guess the outcome of a series.
I mean, I know there's a lot of varience in starcraft, i sure didn't expect innovation to lose today, but within reason you often can when one player is a massive favorite
Gumiho being the favourite in that match is questionable. Every series Impact has played in the last 6 months against Gumiho has been close. 2-3 in Leifeng Cup 72, 2-0 in Impacts favour in Januaries Olimoleague finals, 2-3 again in Leifeng Cup 48, 1-2 in Olimoleague November. If you want to talk predictions, you should look at the statistical facts. Gumiho and Impact are neck and neck over the last 6 months with Gumiho holding a slight advantage. There is nothing in those stats that says "Gumiho is going to win 3-0!" not at all. TvZ is his weakest matchup right now, so no, I dont think you can come in here and safely say "Gumiho was going to win anyway" because the stats say otherwise.
Never take results from online minor leagues too seriously. Like, we seen some crazy shit in Olimoleagues, like MKP vs Choya finals becasue you can't fully tell how hard players are trying. I mean shit, I played in Olimolleauges and got a walkover from Cure cause he didn't feel like playing then played a half decent game against Trap cause he was probably playing with one hand. It know that's different, but it just shows that Olimo is not the best place to pull results from
But this is all besides the point because we're arguing an aside from my greater point in my original post. What happened was bullshit, and it's hard to believe the players and teams would be anything but furious with GSL right now
I'll take actual stats over guessing any day of the week.
And yes, I am rightly furious about what GSL did and doubly furious at the way people in the community are acting when I know had it been a popular Korean or foreigner in that same situation they'd have pitched a fit. Why anyone expects me not to go to bat for my team I really have no idea. There is no "foreigner vs korean" drama, Morrow got salty, Miniraiser pitched a fit and Reddit ran with it, that's it.
I'm looking at your twitter right now and those tweets weren't in replay to anyone, so you certainly didn't help things. No one isn't expecting you to not go to bat for your team, but don't shit on other leagues entirely and expect drama to not happen.
On April 11 2015 00:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I completely understand TBs frustration, but it's kind of silly to pretend like Impact wasn't gonna get 3-0'd or 3-1'd at best this series. Gumiho is just a much better player. That being said, it's complete bullshit that they make players play on the new patch and I would love to hear some justificationf or that
Its kinda silly to pretend that you can guess the outcome of a series.
I mean, I know there's a lot of varience in starcraft, i sure didn't expect innovation to lose today, but within reason you often can when one player is a massive favorite
Gumiho being the favourite in that match is questionable. Every series Impact has played in the last 6 months against Gumiho has been close. 2-3 in Leifeng Cup 72, 2-0 in Impacts favour in Januaries Olimoleague finals, 2-3 again in Leifeng Cup 48, 1-2 in Olimoleague November. If you want to talk predictions, you should look at the statistical facts. Gumiho and Impact are neck and neck over the last 6 months with Gumiho holding a slight advantage. There is nothing in those stats that says "Gumiho is going to win 3-0!" not at all. TvZ is his weakest matchup right now, so no, I dont think you can come in here and safely say "Gumiho was going to win anyway" because the stats say otherwise.
Never take results from online minor leagues too seriously. Like, we seen some crazy shit in Olimoleagues, like MKP vs Choya finals becasue you can't fully tell how hard players are trying. I mean shit, I played in Olimolleauges and got a walkover from Cure cause he didn't feel like playing then played a half decent game against Trap cause he was probably playing with one hand. It know that's different, but it just shows that Olimo is not the best place to pull results from
But this is all besides the point because we're arguing an aside from my greater point in my original post. What happened was bullshit, and it's hard to believe the players and teams would be anything but furious with GSL right now
I'll take actual stats over guessing any day of the week.
And yes, I am rightly furious about what GSL did and doubly furious at the way people in the community are acting when I know had it been a popular Korean or foreigner in that same situation they'd have pitched a fit. Why anyone expects me not to go to bat for my team I really have no idea. There is no "foreigner vs korean" drama, Morrow got salty, Miniraiser pitched a fit and Reddit ran with it, that's it.
I'm looking at your twitter right now and those tweets weren't in replay to anyone, so you certainly didn't help things. No one isn't expecting you to not go to bat for your team, but don't shit on other leagues entirely and expect drama to not happen.
Nobody shit on any league. WCS is easier than Code A, that's a fact. Hell it's easier than Olimoleague, that's also a fact. Now either you can accept that as a fact or not but it won't change the fact. WCS has 3 Koreans in it and they're not even 3 top-tier Koreans. It is even easier than WCS Europe Season 1 ink 2013 which had 4 Koreans in it. Those are all facts. That is not calling foreigners shit, that is rightfully saying they are not as good as Koreans which is not even controversial in the slightest.
When I said people should be grateful they dont have to go through Code A I fucking well meant it. Code A is completely cut-throat. There are no second chances and more often than not the Code S participants are decided based on who got the lucky mismatch. Some people get sOs and Dark and get shit all over, as you would expect. Some people get easier opponents. It's only one match and I think it's extremely flawed. It should at least be a dual-tournament format.
On April 11 2015 00:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I completely understand TBs frustration, but it's kind of silly to pretend like Impact wasn't gonna get 3-0'd or 3-1'd at best this series. Gumiho is just a much better player. That being said, it's complete bullshit that they make players play on the new patch and I would love to hear some justificationf or that
Its kinda silly to pretend that you can guess the outcome of a series.
I mean, I know there's a lot of varience in starcraft, i sure didn't expect innovation to lose today, but within reason you often can when one player is a massive favorite
Gumiho being the favourite in that match is questionable. Every series Impact has played in the last 6 months against Gumiho has been close. 2-3 in Leifeng Cup 72, 2-0 in Impacts favour in Januaries Olimoleague finals, 2-3 again in Leifeng Cup 48, 1-2 in Olimoleague November. If you want to talk predictions, you should look at the statistical facts. Gumiho and Impact are neck and neck over the last 6 months with Gumiho holding a slight advantage. There is nothing in those stats that says "Gumiho is going to win 3-0!" not at all. TvZ is his weakest matchup right now, so no, I dont think you can come in here and safely say "Gumiho was going to win anyway" because the stats say otherwise.
Never take results from online minor leagues too seriously. Like, we seen some crazy shit in Olimoleagues, like MKP vs Choya finals becasue you can't fully tell how hard players are trying. I mean shit, I played in Olimolleauges and got a walkover from Cure cause he didn't feel like playing then played a half decent game against Trap cause he was probably playing with one hand. It know that's different, but it just shows that Olimo is not the best place to pull results from
But this is all besides the point because we're arguing an aside from my greater point in my original post. What happened was bullshit, and it's hard to believe the players and teams would be anything but furious with GSL right now
I'll take actual stats over guessing any day of the week.
And yes, I am rightly furious about what GSL did and doubly furious at the way people in the community are acting when I know had it been a popular Korean or foreigner in that same situation they'd have pitched a fit. Why anyone expects me not to go to bat for my team I really have no idea. There is no "foreigner vs korean" drama, Morrow got salty, Miniraiser pitched a fit and Reddit ran with it, that's it.
I'm looking at your twitter right now and those tweets weren't in replay to anyone, so you certainly didn't help things. No one isn't expecting you to not go to bat for your team, but don't shit on other leagues entirely and expect drama to not happen.
Nobody shit on any league. WCS is easier than Code A, that's a fact. Hell it's easier than Olimoleague, that's also a fact. Now either you can accept that as a fact or not but it won't change the fact. WCS has 3 Koreans in it and they're not even 3 top-tier Koreans. It is even easier than WCS Europe Season 1 ink 2013 which had 4 Koreans in it. Those are all facts. That is not calling foreigners shit, that is rightfully saying they are not as good as Koreans which is not even controversial in the slightest.
When I said people should be grateful they dont have to go through Code A I fucking well meant it. Code A is completely cut-throat. There are no second chances and more often than not the Code S participants are decided based on who got the lucky mismatch. Some people get sOs and Dark and get shit all over, as you would expect. Some people get easier opponents. It's only one match and I think it's extremely flawed. It should at least be a dual-tournament format.
Pretty hard to argue with that. Imagine if you played one of yesterdays code A matches in WCS. I would be willing to bet Rain and Cure would make at least make the semifinals of WCS.
On April 11 2015 00:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I completely understand TBs frustration, but it's kind of silly to pretend like Impact wasn't gonna get 3-0'd or 3-1'd at best this series. Gumiho is just a much better player. That being said, it's complete bullshit that they make players play on the new patch and I would love to hear some justificationf or that
Its kinda silly to pretend that you can guess the outcome of a series.
I mean, I know there's a lot of varience in starcraft, i sure didn't expect innovation to lose today, but within reason you often can when one player is a massive favorite
Gumiho being the favourite in that match is questionable. Every series Impact has played in the last 6 months against Gumiho has been close. 2-3 in Leifeng Cup 72, 2-0 in Impacts favour in Januaries Olimoleague finals, 2-3 again in Leifeng Cup 48, 1-2 in Olimoleague November. If you want to talk predictions, you should look at the statistical facts. Gumiho and Impact are neck and neck over the last 6 months with Gumiho holding a slight advantage. There is nothing in those stats that says "Gumiho is going to win 3-0!" not at all. TvZ is his weakest matchup right now, so no, I dont think you can come in here and safely say "Gumiho was going to win anyway" because the stats say otherwise.
Never take results from online minor leagues too seriously. Like, we seen some crazy shit in Olimoleagues, like MKP vs Choya finals becasue you can't fully tell how hard players are trying. I mean shit, I played in Olimolleauges and got a walkover from Cure cause he didn't feel like playing then played a half decent game against Trap cause he was probably playing with one hand. It know that's different, but it just shows that Olimo is not the best place to pull results from
But this is all besides the point because we're arguing an aside from my greater point in my original post. What happened was bullshit, and it's hard to believe the players and teams would be anything but furious with GSL right now
I'll take actual stats over guessing any day of the week.
And yes, I am rightly furious about what GSL did and doubly furious at the way people in the community are acting when I know had it been a popular Korean or foreigner in that same situation they'd have pitched a fit. Why anyone expects me not to go to bat for my team I really have no idea. There is no "foreigner vs korean" drama, Morrow got salty, Miniraiser pitched a fit and Reddit ran with it, that's it.
I'm looking at your twitter right now and those tweets weren't in replay to anyone, so you certainly didn't help things. No one isn't expecting you to not go to bat for your team, but don't shit on other leagues entirely and expect drama to not happen.
Nobody shit on any league. WCS is easier than Code A, that's a fact. Hell it's easier than Olimoleague, that's also a fact. Now either you can accept that as a fact or not but it won't change the fact. WCS has 3 Koreans in it and they're not even 3 top-tier Koreans. It is even easier than WCS Europe Season 1 ink 2013 which had 4 Koreans in it. Those are all facts. That is not calling foreigners shit, that is rightfully saying they are not as good as Koreans which is not even controversial in the slightest.
When I said people should be grateful they dont have to go through Code A I fucking well meant it. Code A is completely cut-throat. There are no second chances and more often than not the Code S participants are decided based on who got the lucky mismatch. Some people get sOs and Dark and get shit all over, as you would expect. Some people get easier opponents. It's only one match and I think it's extremely flawed. It should at least be a dual-tournament format.
I agree a dual tournament would be far superior and the fact that Code A isn't a real tournament anymore is a huge let down. But to adress you previous point, I'm not tring to argue that Code A isn't super difficult, but it was unneccessary to go there and talk about it on twitter. If it were in reply to someone, you don't have to respond in a way you KNOW is gonna start drama. People are sensitive about stuff that's extremely important to their careers, that works both ways not just to you and your team
On April 11 2015 00:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I completely understand TBs frustration, but it's kind of silly to pretend like Impact wasn't gonna get 3-0'd or 3-1'd at best this series. Gumiho is just a much better player. That being said, it's complete bullshit that they make players play on the new patch and I would love to hear some justificationf or that
Its kinda silly to pretend that you can guess the outcome of a series.
I mean, I know there's a lot of varience in starcraft, i sure didn't expect innovation to lose today, but within reason you often can when one player is a massive favorite
Gumiho being the favourite in that match is questionable. Every series Impact has played in the last 6 months against Gumiho has been close. 2-3 in Leifeng Cup 72, 2-0 in Impacts favour in Januaries Olimoleague finals, 2-3 again in Leifeng Cup 48, 1-2 in Olimoleague November. If you want to talk predictions, you should look at the statistical facts. Gumiho and Impact are neck and neck over the last 6 months with Gumiho holding a slight advantage. There is nothing in those stats that says "Gumiho is going to win 3-0!" not at all. TvZ is his weakest matchup right now, so no, I dont think you can come in here and safely say "Gumiho was going to win anyway" because the stats say otherwise.
Never take results from online minor leagues too seriously. Like, we seen some crazy shit in Olimoleagues, like MKP vs Choya finals becasue you can't fully tell how hard players are trying. I mean shit, I played in Olimolleauges and got a walkover from Cure cause he didn't feel like playing then played a half decent game against Trap cause he was probably playing with one hand. It know that's different, but it just shows that Olimo is not the best place to pull results from
But this is all besides the point because we're arguing an aside from my greater point in my original post. What happened was bullshit, and it's hard to believe the players and teams would be anything but furious with GSL right now
I'll take actual stats over guessing any day of the week.
And yes, I am rightly furious about what GSL did and doubly furious at the way people in the community are acting when I know had it been a popular Korean or foreigner in that same situation they'd have pitched a fit. Why anyone expects me not to go to bat for my team I really have no idea. There is no "foreigner vs korean" drama, Morrow got salty, Miniraiser pitched a fit and Reddit ran with it, that's it.
I'm looking at your twitter right now and those tweets weren't in replay to anyone, so you certainly didn't help things. No one isn't expecting you to not go to bat for your team, but don't shit on other leagues entirely and expect drama to not happen.
Nobody shit on any league. WCS is easier than Code A, that's a fact. Hell it's easier than Olimoleague, that's also a fact. Now either you can accept that as a fact or not but it won't change the fact. WCS has 3 Koreans in it and they're not even 3 top-tier Koreans. It is even easier than WCS Europe Season 1 ink 2013 which had 4 Koreans in it. Those are all facts. That is not calling foreigners shit, that is rightfully saying they are not as good as Koreans which is not even controversial in the slightest.
When I said people should be grateful they dont have to go through Code A I fucking well meant it. Code A is completely cut-throat. There are no second chances and more often than not the Code S participants are decided based on who got the lucky mismatch. Some people get sOs and Dark and get shit all over, as you would expect. Some people get easier opponents. It's only one match and I think it's extremely flawed. It should at least be a dual-tournament format.
I agree a dual tournament would be far superior and the fact that Code A isn't a real tournament anymore is a huge let down. But to adress you previous point, I'm not tring to argue that Code A isn't super difficult, but it was unneccessary to go there and talk about it on twitter. If it were in reply to someone, you don't have to respond in a way you KNOW is gonna start drama. People are sensitive about stuff that's extremely important to their careers, that works both ways not just to you and your team
I'm sorry but I just don't view what I said originally as inflammatory. You can hold me to account for getting into it with Morrow and Miniraiser all you please and i won't disagree with you. That was tit for tat and could have been avoided. I won't apologise for the original statement though because it was not offensive nor was it inaccurate. Korea is a fucking sharkpit right now, it has NEVER been this competitive, players should feel grateful not to be eaten in it.
Damn right I'm also annoyed that my guys have to go back and play there when they had success in WCS America (which was also very competitive until they sent all the Koreans home), my concern is for my players well being, I want them to get as much money as possible so that when they retire they will not be broke and have wasted their time. Problem is, while WCS America was far superior to WCS Europe as a tournament, it also got less viewers, so hey, what can ya do?
I will never understand why Code A can't be run like Code S and the WCS Challenger series was last year. And this isn't even an Axiom argument here. You get a guy like Billowy trying to come back and make a name for himself again, gets through the most cutthroat qualifiers known to esports and then "GG Billowy. Go face Maru". I mean, maybe if you cut the qualifiers to 16 and then go 16-16 at least you can save being one and done, more top tier SC2 is a good thing right?
On April 11 2015 01:51 showstealer1829 wrote: I will never understand why Code A can't be run like Code S and the WCS Challenger series was last year. And this isn't even an Axiom argument here. You get a guy like Billowy trying to come back and make a name for himself again, gets through the most cutthroat qualifiers known to esports and then "GG Billowy. Go face Maru". I mean, maybe if you cut the qualifiers to 16 and then go 16-16 at least you can save being one and done, more top tier SC2 is a good thing right?
Its a diceroll, pure and simple. I think the same about the Challenger league qualifiers for WCS as well. "oh hey, you just reached Challenger, grats, now play a BO5 against RandomBulgarian634 or... BOMBER!".
Dual-tournament or double elim bracket is the best way to handle this. Your Premier league aspirations should not be down to a single match. Code S certainly isnt', at least until you reach RO8 onwards.
On April 11 2015 00:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I completely understand TBs frustration, but it's kind of silly to pretend like Impact wasn't gonna get 3-0'd or 3-1'd at best this series. Gumiho is just a much better player. That being said, it's complete bullshit that they make players play on the new patch and I would love to hear some justificationf or that
Its kinda silly to pretend that you can guess the outcome of a series.
I mean, I know there's a lot of varience in starcraft, i sure didn't expect innovation to lose today, but within reason you often can when one player is a massive favorite
Gumiho being the favourite in that match is questionable. Every series Impact has played in the last 6 months against Gumiho has been close. 2-3 in Leifeng Cup 72, 2-0 in Impacts favour in Januaries Olimoleague finals, 2-3 again in Leifeng Cup 48, 1-2 in Olimoleague November. If you want to talk predictions, you should look at the statistical facts. Gumiho and Impact are neck and neck over the last 6 months with Gumiho holding a slight advantage. There is nothing in those stats that says "Gumiho is going to win 3-0!" not at all. TvZ is his weakest matchup right now, so no, I dont think you can come in here and safely say "Gumiho was going to win anyway" because the stats say otherwise.
Never take results from online minor leagues too seriously. Like, we seen some crazy shit in Olimoleagues, like MKP vs Choya finals becasue you can't fully tell how hard players are trying. I mean shit, I played in Olimolleauges and got a walkover from Cure cause he didn't feel like playing then played a half decent game against Trap cause he was probably playing with one hand. It know that's different, but it just shows that Olimo is not the best place to pull results from
But this is all besides the point because we're arguing an aside from my greater point in my original post. What happened was bullshit, and it's hard to believe the players and teams would be anything but furious with GSL right now
I'll take actual stats over guessing any day of the week.
And yes, I am rightly furious about what GSL did and doubly furious at the way people in the community are acting when I know had it been a popular Korean or foreigner in that same situation they'd have pitched a fit. Why anyone expects me not to go to bat for my team I really have no idea. There is no "foreigner vs korean" drama, Morrow got salty, Miniraiser pitched a fit and Reddit ran with it, that's it.
I'm looking at your twitter right now and those tweets weren't in replay to anyone, so you certainly didn't help things. No one isn't expecting you to not go to bat for your team, but don't shit on other leagues entirely and expect drama to not happen.
Nobody shit on any league. WCS is easier than Code A, that's a fact. Hell it's easier than Olimoleague, that's also a fact. Now either you can accept that as a fact or not but it won't change the fact. WCS has 3 Koreans in it and they're not even 3 top-tier Koreans. It is even easier than WCS Europe Season 1 ink 2013 which had 4 Koreans in it. Those are all facts. That is not calling foreigners shit, that is rightfully saying they are not as good as Koreans which is not even controversial in the slightest.
When I said people should be grateful they dont have to go through Code A I fucking well meant it. Code A is completely cut-throat. There are no second chances and more often than not the Code S participants are decided based on who got the lucky mismatch. Some people get sOs and Dark and get shit all over, as you would expect. Some people get easier opponents. It's only one match and I think it's extremely flawed. It should at least be a dual-tournament format.
I agree a dual tournament would be far superior and the fact that Code A isn't a real tournament anymore is a huge let down. But to adress you previous point, I'm not tring to argue that Code A isn't super difficult, but it was unneccessary to go there and talk about it on twitter. If it were in reply to someone, you don't have to respond in a way you KNOW is gonna start drama. People are sensitive about stuff that's extremely important to their careers, that works both ways not just to you and your team
I'm sorry but I just don't view what I said originally as inflammatory. You can hold me to account for getting into it with Morrow and Miniraiser all you please and i won't disagree with you. That was tit for tat and could have been avoided. I won't apologise for the original statement though because it was not offensive nor was it inaccurate. Korea is a fucking sharkpit right now, it has NEVER been this competitive, players should feel grateful not to be eaten in it.
Damn right I'm also annoyed that my guys have to go back and play there when they had success in WCS America (which was also very competitive until they sent all the Koreans home), my concern is for my players well being, I want them to get as much money as possible so that when they retire they will not be broke and have wasted their time. Problem is, while WCS America was far superior to WCS Europe as a tournament, it also got less viewers, so hey, what can ya do?
I guess we can both agree that this all could have been avoided to some extent. Korea is a sharkpit no doubt, but there's also more for Koreans sharks to chew on right now, so it's not all negatives. Let's hope some foreigners decide to jump in at some point, ones better than MacSed, Jim and no-practice Scarlett
On April 11 2015 01:51 showstealer1829 wrote: I will never understand why Code A can't be run like Code S and the WCS Challenger series was last year. And this isn't even an Axiom argument here. You get a guy like Billowy trying to come back and make a name for himself again, gets through the most cutthroat qualifiers known to esports and then "GG Billowy. Go face Maru". I mean, maybe if you cut the qualifiers to 16 and then go 16-16 at least you can save being one and done, more top tier SC2 is a good thing right?
Its a diceroll, pure and simple. I think the same about the Challenger league qualifiers for WCS as well. "oh hey, you just reached Challenger, grats, now play a BO5 against RandomBulgarian634 or... BOMBER!".
Dual-tournament or double elim bracket is the best way to handle this. Your Premier league aspirations should not be down to a single match. Code S certainly isnt', at least until you reach RO8 onwards.
I think we can all agree that this needs a change. It's annoying that good players get shut down in Challenger/Code A because they didn't get a lucky draw. That's true for WCS (e.g. MarineLord is one of the best players in Europe atm but he got ForGG in Challenger and barely didn't make it in) and Code A (see Ryung who even on a better day would have had a difficult time with Dark) and obviously also SSL (e.g. INnoVation vs ByuL).
On April 11 2015 00:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I completely understand TBs frustration, but it's kind of silly to pretend like Impact wasn't gonna get 3-0'd or 3-1'd at best this series. Gumiho is just a much better player. That being said, it's complete bullshit that they make players play on the new patch and I would love to hear some justificationf or that
Its kinda silly to pretend that you can guess the outcome of a series.
I mean, I know there's a lot of varience in starcraft, i sure didn't expect innovation to lose today, but within reason you often can when one player is a massive favorite
Gumiho being the favourite in that match is questionable. Every series Impact has played in the last 6 months against Gumiho has been close. 2-3 in Leifeng Cup 72, 2-0 in Impacts favour in Januaries Olimoleague finals, 2-3 again in Leifeng Cup 48, 1-2 in Olimoleague November. If you want to talk predictions, you should look at the statistical facts. Gumiho and Impact are neck and neck over the last 6 months with Gumiho holding a slight advantage. There is nothing in those stats that says "Gumiho is going to win 3-0!" not at all. TvZ is his weakest matchup right now, so no, I dont think you can come in here and safely say "Gumiho was going to win anyway" because the stats say otherwise.
Never take results from online minor leagues too seriously. Like, we seen some crazy shit in Olimoleagues, like MKP vs Choya finals becasue you can't fully tell how hard players are trying. I mean shit, I played in Olimolleauges and got a walkover from Cure cause he didn't feel like playing then played a half decent game against Trap cause he was probably playing with one hand. It know that's different, but it just shows that Olimo is not the best place to pull results from
But this is all besides the point because we're arguing an aside from my greater point in my original post. What happened was bullshit, and it's hard to believe the players and teams would be anything but furious with GSL right now
I'll take actual stats over guessing any day of the week.
And yes, I am rightly furious about what GSL did and doubly furious at the way people in the community are acting when I know had it been a popular Korean or foreigner in that same situation they'd have pitched a fit. Why anyone expects me not to go to bat for my team I really have no idea. There is no "foreigner vs korean" drama, Morrow got salty, Miniraiser pitched a fit and Reddit ran with it, that's it.
Like I said earlier. Replace Impact with Snute and TL loses its mind. But because it's Impact and Axiom? "Eh. He would've been 3-0'd anyway"
Yeah man, you should never take on rookie players and try to develop them as talent, just buy the best most popular guys and the forums will defend everything you do!
Yeah I'm pretty damn sick of people that take a shit on a passion project. I know my team isn't the best, but I'm not going to drop my players into unemployment just because they can't win every event, I'm not a fucking dick.
Gentle reminder btw, Impact 2-0ed Parting like 2 days ago. Never count people out, ever.
On April 11 2015 00:55 TotalBiscuit wrote: [quote]
Its kinda silly to pretend that you can guess the outcome of a series.
I mean, I know there's a lot of varience in starcraft, i sure didn't expect innovation to lose today, but within reason you often can when one player is a massive favorite
Gumiho being the favourite in that match is questionable. Every series Impact has played in the last 6 months against Gumiho has been close. 2-3 in Leifeng Cup 72, 2-0 in Impacts favour in Januaries Olimoleague finals, 2-3 again in Leifeng Cup 48, 1-2 in Olimoleague November. If you want to talk predictions, you should look at the statistical facts. Gumiho and Impact are neck and neck over the last 6 months with Gumiho holding a slight advantage. There is nothing in those stats that says "Gumiho is going to win 3-0!" not at all. TvZ is his weakest matchup right now, so no, I dont think you can come in here and safely say "Gumiho was going to win anyway" because the stats say otherwise.
Never take results from online minor leagues too seriously. Like, we seen some crazy shit in Olimoleagues, like MKP vs Choya finals becasue you can't fully tell how hard players are trying. I mean shit, I played in Olimolleauges and got a walkover from Cure cause he didn't feel like playing then played a half decent game against Trap cause he was probably playing with one hand. It know that's different, but it just shows that Olimo is not the best place to pull results from
But this is all besides the point because we're arguing an aside from my greater point in my original post. What happened was bullshit, and it's hard to believe the players and teams would be anything but furious with GSL right now
I'll take actual stats over guessing any day of the week.
And yes, I am rightly furious about what GSL did and doubly furious at the way people in the community are acting when I know had it been a popular Korean or foreigner in that same situation they'd have pitched a fit. Why anyone expects me not to go to bat for my team I really have no idea. There is no "foreigner vs korean" drama, Morrow got salty, Miniraiser pitched a fit and Reddit ran with it, that's it.
I'm looking at your twitter right now and those tweets weren't in replay to anyone, so you certainly didn't help things. No one isn't expecting you to not go to bat for your team, but don't shit on other leagues entirely and expect drama to not happen.
Nobody shit on any league. WCS is easier than Code A, that's a fact. Hell it's easier than Olimoleague, that's also a fact. Now either you can accept that as a fact or not but it won't change the fact. WCS has 3 Koreans in it and they're not even 3 top-tier Koreans. It is even easier than WCS Europe Season 1 ink 2013 which had 4 Koreans in it. Those are all facts. That is not calling foreigners shit, that is rightfully saying they are not as good as Koreans which is not even controversial in the slightest.
When I said people should be grateful they dont have to go through Code A I fucking well meant it. Code A is completely cut-throat. There are no second chances and more often than not the Code S participants are decided based on who got the lucky mismatch. Some people get sOs and Dark and get shit all over, as you would expect. Some people get easier opponents. It's only one match and I think it's extremely flawed. It should at least be a dual-tournament format.
I agree a dual tournament would be far superior and the fact that Code A isn't a real tournament anymore is a huge let down. But to adress you previous point, I'm not tring to argue that Code A isn't super difficult, but it was unneccessary to go there and talk about it on twitter. If it were in reply to someone, you don't have to respond in a way you KNOW is gonna start drama. People are sensitive about stuff that's extremely important to their careers, that works both ways not just to you and your team
I'm sorry but I just don't view what I said originally as inflammatory. You can hold me to account for getting into it with Morrow and Miniraiser all you please and i won't disagree with you. That was tit for tat and could have been avoided. I won't apologise for the original statement though because it was not offensive nor was it inaccurate. Korea is a fucking sharkpit right now, it has NEVER been this competitive, players should feel grateful not to be eaten in it.
Damn right I'm also annoyed that my guys have to go back and play there when they had success in WCS America (which was also very competitive until they sent all the Koreans home), my concern is for my players well being, I want them to get as much money as possible so that when they retire they will not be broke and have wasted their time. Problem is, while WCS America was far superior to WCS Europe as a tournament, it also got less viewers, so hey, what can ya do?
I guess we can both agree that this all could have been avoided to some extent. Korea is a sharkpit no doubt, but there's also more for Koreans sharks to chew on right now, so it's not all negatives. Let's hope some foreigners decide to jump in at some point, ones better than MacSed, Jim and no-practice Scarlett
I feel like this last part is a bit unfair. Most if not all players would have gotten trashed by Parting and Maru, foreigner or not. I think you give MacSed or Jim a different opponent and they both could have at the very least put up a fight. I think it goes back to the "luck of the draw" vs group debate more so than it does "get better foreigners". Because lets be honest, Jim and Macsed are two of the best.
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