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On April 10 2015 22:36 Poopfeast 024 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:20 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:03 lohdon wrote:On April 10 2015 21:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:57 Poopfeast 024 wrote:
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polt's record is really lackluster vs terran, his record is 1-7 vs major, and he was also beaten by bunny and xenocider not so long ago. if anything, him winning was an upset, he could've been beaten by bunny so easily (just like he did at iem), hydra seeemed to do well recently vs much better opponents and only losing 1 set to foreigner, ironically that being morrow. TB was really off with his tweets, morrow was reasonable in the tweet fight and he is actually one of the few that managed to pull an upset vs a top tier korean, while TB only tried to look like a jackass (he reminded me of Thorin, and you don't wanna look like thorin). Morrow had nothing of value to add. Any foreigner that isn't grateful for WCS World isn't worth their salt. Ignoring that Miniraser is great at running his mouth but can't even qualify for WCS World, there is nothing to discuss. Foreigners got given a gift. If all they can do is bitch about it then they're not worth listening to. Our team got fucked hard by WCS changes, worse than any other team out there. Korean SC2 is the hardest it's ever been and that's without GSL pulling the wool over peoples eyes at the last minute or your presence in Code S relying 9/10ths on who you happen to get randomly drawn against in a single elimination match. I am sad for you that you really seem to think that throwing around some money in itself makes your opinion more relevant. Especially if you talk about the skill of players while you never made it out of bronze league. Have fun throwing around the word toxic all day everyday. Huh? Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there. As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away. There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight. Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them. This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance. Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane. You don't seem to respect the opinion of progamers very much I am so very sorry for not thinking that "LOL UR FAT" is somehow cutting edge commentary on the state of the business. Miniraiser is a fucking childish edgelord who should have his twitter account revoked by his manager until he is good enough to qualify for WCS World. You have a very selective memory Not at all. Nothing of worth was said by Morrow and certainly not by Miniraiser. Foreigners should be grateful they have WCS World. That was the statement. You wanna dispute that? Because apparently Morrow does, which is a joke. Any foreigner should be VERY happy that they get such a lucrative region-locked event. People like uThermal are delusional if they think WCS World is harder than even something like Olimoleague. Almost every Korean qualifier is harder than WCS World, heck those events are often harder than Code A. what were you expecting to something like " i hope foreigners realize how lucky they are (...)" ? did you expect they say "yes we realize, forgive me for trying" ?
They could say nothing at all, which would have been the smart thing to do.
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On April 10 2015 22:41 Poopfeast 024 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:40 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:36 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:20 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:03 lohdon wrote:
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I am sad for you that you really seem to think that throwing around some money in itself makes your opinion more relevant. Especially if you talk about the skill of players while you never made it out of bronze league. Have fun throwing around the word toxic all day everyday. Huh? Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there. As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away. There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight. Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them. This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance. Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane. You don't seem to respect the opinion of progamers very much I am so very sorry for not thinking that "LOL UR FAT" is somehow cutting edge commentary on the state of the business. Miniraiser is a fucking childish edgelord who should have his twitter account revoked by his manager until he is good enough to qualify for WCS World. You have a very selective memory Not at all. Nothing of worth was said by Morrow and certainly not by Miniraiser. Foreigners should be grateful they have WCS World. That was the statement. You wanna dispute that? Because apparently Morrow does, which is a joke. Any foreigner should be VERY happy that they get such a lucrative region-locked event. People like uThermal are delusional if they think WCS World is harder than even something like Olimoleague. Almost every Korean qualifier is harder than WCS World, heck those events are often harder than Code A. what were you expecting to something like " i hope foreigners realize how lucky they are (...)" ? did you expect they say "yes we realize, forgive me for trying" ? your statement was absolutely not worth a discussion, every player will obviously try to compete in tournaments they think are worth their time. Obviously someone will reply to it because you're trying to belittle them foreigners. They also are infintely better at the game than you, and you have no precise information of the time and effort they invest in the game. you were just being provocative for no real reason but to amuse yourself, calling people out, trying to start a flamewar, taking pages out of naniwa's or thorin's book (the two shittiest books available, mind you). Morrow was like 10 times more respectful that the majority of other players would have been. Miniraser was about as childish as you. His team and players getting fucked sideways first by WCS then GSL isn't a good reason?  you have to realize that being really frustrated is only "good reason" to be angry, but rarely to initiate reasonable discussion. TB just proved this himself.
And you always have "reasonable" discussion when you're angry? Again I'm not saying TB wasn't blunt but that's TB, we should know that by now. I'm just saying he has a right to be angry and for his bluntness he isn't wrong either
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On April 10 2015 22:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:36 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:20 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:03 lohdon wrote:On April 10 2015 21:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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Morrow had nothing of value to add. Any foreigner that isn't grateful for WCS World isn't worth their salt. Ignoring that Miniraser is great at running his mouth but can't even qualify for WCS World, there is nothing to discuss. Foreigners got given a gift. If all they can do is bitch about it then they're not worth listening to. Our team got fucked hard by WCS changes, worse than any other team out there. Korean SC2 is the hardest it's ever been and that's without GSL pulling the wool over peoples eyes at the last minute or your presence in Code S relying 9/10ths on who you happen to get randomly drawn against in a single elimination match.
I am sad for you that you really seem to think that throwing around some money in itself makes your opinion more relevant. Especially if you talk about the skill of players while you never made it out of bronze league. Have fun throwing around the word toxic all day everyday. Huh? Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there. As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away. There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight. Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them. This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance. Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane. You don't seem to respect the opinion of progamers very much I am so very sorry for not thinking that "LOL UR FAT" is somehow cutting edge commentary on the state of the business. Miniraiser is a fucking childish edgelord who should have his twitter account revoked by his manager until he is good enough to qualify for WCS World. You have a very selective memory Not at all. Nothing of worth was said by Morrow and certainly not by Miniraiser. Foreigners should be grateful they have WCS World. That was the statement. You wanna dispute that? Because apparently Morrow does, which is a joke. Any foreigner should be VERY happy that they get such a lucrative region-locked event. People like uThermal are delusional if they think WCS World is harder than even something like Olimoleague. Almost every Korean qualifier is harder than WCS World, heck those events are often harder than Code A. what were you expecting to something like " i hope foreigners realize how lucky they are (...)" ? did you expect they say "yes we realize, forgive me for trying" ? They could say nothing at all, which would have been the smart thing to do.
Maybe you should have started by doing that then
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If foreigners get insulted by being told the facts, that they get an easy league because they're not good enough to beat Koreans (which they have proven countless times over the past 5 years with very rare exceptions), then that goes to show their insecurities.
If Morrow and Miniraiser had any class they'd be showing solidarity for their fellow progamers who got fucked over by GSLs incompetence today but I'd have to send Miniraiser a dictionary with just the C section for him to figure out what class means.
This is not about foreigners, it never was. They're not relevant to the GSL and they haven't been since Jinro. If they want to make it all about them, thats their business but it'd be nice if they did it in a place I didnt have to read and instead acknowledged that what GSL pulled today was bullshit.
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On April 10 2015 22:49 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:36 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:20 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:03 lohdon wrote:
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I am sad for you that you really seem to think that throwing around some money in itself makes your opinion more relevant. Especially if you talk about the skill of players while you never made it out of bronze league. Have fun throwing around the word toxic all day everyday. Huh? Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there. As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away. There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight. Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them. This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance. Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane. You don't seem to respect the opinion of progamers very much I am so very sorry for not thinking that "LOL UR FAT" is somehow cutting edge commentary on the state of the business. Miniraiser is a fucking childish edgelord who should have his twitter account revoked by his manager until he is good enough to qualify for WCS World. You have a very selective memory Not at all. Nothing of worth was said by Morrow and certainly not by Miniraiser. Foreigners should be grateful they have WCS World. That was the statement. You wanna dispute that? Because apparently Morrow does, which is a joke. Any foreigner should be VERY happy that they get such a lucrative region-locked event. People like uThermal are delusional if they think WCS World is harder than even something like Olimoleague. Almost every Korean qualifier is harder than WCS World, heck those events are often harder than Code A. what were you expecting to something like " i hope foreigners realize how lucky they are (...)" ? did you expect they say "yes we realize, forgive me for trying" ? They could say nothing at all, which would have been the smart thing to do. Maybe you should have started by doing that then
I can't be held responsible for the immaturity of others.
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On April 10 2015 22:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:49 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:36 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:20 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:
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Huh?
Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there.
As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away.
There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight. Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them. This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance. Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane. You don't seem to respect the opinion of progamers very much I am so very sorry for not thinking that "LOL UR FAT" is somehow cutting edge commentary on the state of the business. Miniraiser is a fucking childish edgelord who should have his twitter account revoked by his manager until he is good enough to qualify for WCS World. You have a very selective memory Not at all. Nothing of worth was said by Morrow and certainly not by Miniraiser. Foreigners should be grateful they have WCS World. That was the statement. You wanna dispute that? Because apparently Morrow does, which is a joke. Any foreigner should be VERY happy that they get such a lucrative region-locked event. People like uThermal are delusional if they think WCS World is harder than even something like Olimoleague. Almost every Korean qualifier is harder than WCS World, heck those events are often harder than Code A. what were you expecting to something like " i hope foreigners realize how lucky they are (...)" ? did you expect they say "yes we realize, forgive me for trying" ? They could say nothing at all, which would have been the smart thing to do. Maybe you should have started by doing that then I can't be held responsible for the immaturity of others.
But for your own... this is really pointless you're not accessible to anything unfortunately
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On April 10 2015 22:51 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:49 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:46 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:36 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:20 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:
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Huh?
Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there.
As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away.
There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight. Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them. This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance. Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane. You don't seem to respect the opinion of progamers very much I am so very sorry for not thinking that "LOL UR FAT" is somehow cutting edge commentary on the state of the business. Miniraiser is a fucking childish edgelord who should have his twitter account revoked by his manager until he is good enough to qualify for WCS World. You have a very selective memory Not at all. Nothing of worth was said by Morrow and certainly not by Miniraiser. Foreigners should be grateful they have WCS World. That was the statement. You wanna dispute that? Because apparently Morrow does, which is a joke. Any foreigner should be VERY happy that they get such a lucrative region-locked event. People like uThermal are delusional if they think WCS World is harder than even something like Olimoleague. Almost every Korean qualifier is harder than WCS World, heck those events are often harder than Code A. what were you expecting to something like " i hope foreigners realize how lucky they are (...)" ? did you expect they say "yes we realize, forgive me for trying" ? They could say nothing at all, which would have been the smart thing to do. Maybe you should have started by doing that then I can't be held responsible for the immaturity of others.
You could start being responsible for your own.
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On April 10 2015 22:48 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:41 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:40 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:36 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:20 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:
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Huh?
Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there.
As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away.
There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight. Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them. This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance. Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane. You don't seem to respect the opinion of progamers very much I am so very sorry for not thinking that "LOL UR FAT" is somehow cutting edge commentary on the state of the business. Miniraiser is a fucking childish edgelord who should have his twitter account revoked by his manager until he is good enough to qualify for WCS World. You have a very selective memory Not at all. Nothing of worth was said by Morrow and certainly not by Miniraiser. Foreigners should be grateful they have WCS World. That was the statement. You wanna dispute that? Because apparently Morrow does, which is a joke. Any foreigner should be VERY happy that they get such a lucrative region-locked event. People like uThermal are delusional if they think WCS World is harder than even something like Olimoleague. Almost every Korean qualifier is harder than WCS World, heck those events are often harder than Code A. what were you expecting to something like " i hope foreigners realize how lucky they are (...)" ? did you expect they say "yes we realize, forgive me for trying" ? your statement was absolutely not worth a discussion, every player will obviously try to compete in tournaments they think are worth their time. Obviously someone will reply to it because you're trying to belittle them foreigners. They also are infintely better at the game than you, and you have no precise information of the time and effort they invest in the game. you were just being provocative for no real reason but to amuse yourself, calling people out, trying to start a flamewar, taking pages out of naniwa's or thorin's book (the two shittiest books available, mind you). Morrow was like 10 times more respectful that the majority of other players would have been. Miniraser was about as childish as you. His team and players getting fucked sideways first by WCS then GSL isn't a good reason? you have to realize that being really frustrated is only "good reason" to be angry, but rarely to initiate reasonable discussion. TB just proved this himself. And you always have "reasonable" discussion when you're angry? Again I'm not saying TB wasn't blunt but that's TB, we should know that by now. I'm just saying he has a right to be angry and for his bluntness he isn't wrong either
he was criticizing opinions and tweets to be irrelevant and without substance, now tell me what was the substance of his tweets. stating something everyone already knows in an edgy way trying to provoke people. frustration is merely the cause he made those tweets, and they were absolutely unnecessary and pointless. i find it astounding that people defend him for being a naniwa-ish jackass here. is "i have a team so i can be as edgy as i want" really a valid argument? I'm sure he wouldn't think those tweets were trying to achieve anything useful with a cold head either.
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On April 10 2015 22:50 TotalBiscuit wrote:
If foreigners get insulted by being told the facts, that they get an easy league because they're not good enough to beat Koreans (which they have proven countless times over the past 5 years with very rare exceptions), then that goes to show their insecurities.
If Morrow and Miniraiser had any class they'd be showing solidarity for their fellow progamers who got fucked over by GSLs incompetence today but I'd have to send Miniraiser a dictionary with just the C section for him to figure out what class means.
This is not about foreigners, it never was. They're not relevant to the GSL and they haven't been since Jinro. If they want to make it all about them, thats their business but it'd be nice if they did it in a place I didnt have to read and instead acknowledged that what GSL pulled today was bullshit.
Sometimes you should take a step back, have a break, and then read what you wrote as if it had been written by someone else.
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On April 10 2015 22:45 Poopfeast 024 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:42 Exstasy wrote:On April 10 2015 22:36 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:20 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:03 lohdon wrote:
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I am sad for you that you really seem to think that throwing around some money in itself makes your opinion more relevant. Especially if you talk about the skill of players while you never made it out of bronze league. Have fun throwing around the word toxic all day everyday. Huh? Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there. As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away. There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight. Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them. This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance. Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane. You don't seem to respect the opinion of progamers very much I am so very sorry for not thinking that "LOL UR FAT" is somehow cutting edge commentary on the state of the business. Miniraiser is a fucking childish edgelord who should have his twitter account revoked by his manager until he is good enough to qualify for WCS World. You have a very selective memory Not at all. Nothing of worth was said by Morrow and certainly not by Miniraiser. Foreigners should be grateful they have WCS World. That was the statement. You wanna dispute that? Because apparently Morrow does, which is a joke. Any foreigner should be VERY happy that they get such a lucrative region-locked event. People like uThermal are delusional if they think WCS World is harder than even something like Olimoleague. Almost every Korean qualifier is harder than WCS World, heck those events are often harder than Code A. what were you expecting to something like " i hope foreigners realize how lucky they are (...)" ? did you expect they say "yes we realize, forgive me for trying" ? your statement was absolutely not worth a discussion, every player will obviously try to compete in tournaments they think are worth their time. Obviously someone will reply to it because you're trying to belittle them foreigners. They also are infintely better at the game than you, and you have no precise information of the time and effort they invest in the game. you were just being provocative for no real reason but to amuse yourself, calling people out, trying to start a flamewar, taking pages out of naniwa's or thorin's book (the two shittiest books available, mind you). Morrow was like 10 times more respectful that the majority of other players would have been. Miniraser was about as childish as you. Yeah Twitter is 99% reaction and he was hot after today's games and the patch issues. Everyone knows you don't always make the right calls in the moment. Still, Morrow making $4,500 going out in ro32 is funny. I kind of hope his liquipedia is out of date cause at the moment the only tournament it says he won was when he 5 rax reapered IdrA back in 2010. that prize money is pretty crazy. and yes, he didn't win any other tournament i think. but if that's a reason to talk down on someone i suggest people take a look around in tl's roster before picking a random progamer who even takes the effort to reply to flame in a respectful manner.
I'm not trying to justify his tweets, they're TB's tweets. I wouldn't talk down to people cause I'm low level, But TB is right here if blizz wasn't region locking then Morrow (& plenty of others) would have switched game or something by now.
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Not sure what's happening here but TB speaking his mind as usual is refreshing to see.
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On April 10 2015 22:54 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:50 TotalBiscuit wrote:
If foreigners get insulted by being told the facts, that they get an easy league because they're not good enough to beat Koreans (which they have proven countless times over the past 5 years with very rare exceptions), then that goes to show their insecurities.
If Morrow and Miniraiser had any class they'd be showing solidarity for their fellow progamers who got fucked over by GSLs incompetence today but I'd have to send Miniraiser a dictionary with just the C section for him to figure out what class means.
This is not about foreigners, it never was. They're not relevant to the GSL and they haven't been since Jinro. If they want to make it all about them, thats their business but it'd be nice if they did it in a place I didnt have to read and instead acknowledged that what GSL pulled today was bullshit. Sometimes you should take a step back, have a break, and then read what you wrote as if it had been written by someone else.
If it was written by someone else it wouldn't be as relevant to this discussion.
Here are two statements that I dare you to disagree with.
1) Foreigners are fortunate to have a region-locked tournament which rewards huge amount of prizemoney
2) GSL messed up today by changing the effective ruleset of the tournament hours before games were to be played.
Can you? Because that's all this argument is. Everything else is pointless bullshit. Morrow got a light ribbing and suddenly Miniraiser goes full moron on Twitter for whatever reason and starts a flamewar. It has nothing to do with either of those statements, which remain true and frankly anyone disagreeing with either of them is living on a different planet.
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On April 10 2015 22:54 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:50 TotalBiscuit wrote:
If foreigners get insulted by being told the facts, that they get an easy league because they're not good enough to beat Koreans (which they have proven countless times over the past 5 years with very rare exceptions), then that goes to show their insecurities.
If Morrow and Miniraiser had any class they'd be showing solidarity for their fellow progamers who got fucked over by GSLs incompetence today but I'd have to send Miniraiser a dictionary with just the C section for him to figure out what class means.
This is not about foreigners, it never was. They're not relevant to the GSL and they haven't been since Jinro. If they want to make it all about them, thats their business but it'd be nice if they did it in a place I didnt have to read and instead acknowledged that what GSL pulled today was bullshit. Sometimes you should take a step back, have a break, and then read what you wrote as if it had been written by someone else.
Yeah it's been like a while now since this all happened I'm surprised he hasn't calmed down a bit.
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On April 10 2015 22:57 Exstasy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:54 OtherWorld wrote:On April 10 2015 22:50 TotalBiscuit wrote:
If foreigners get insulted by being told the facts, that they get an easy league because they're not good enough to beat Koreans (which they have proven countless times over the past 5 years with very rare exceptions), then that goes to show their insecurities.
If Morrow and Miniraiser had any class they'd be showing solidarity for their fellow progamers who got fucked over by GSLs incompetence today but I'd have to send Miniraiser a dictionary with just the C section for him to figure out what class means.
This is not about foreigners, it never was. They're not relevant to the GSL and they haven't been since Jinro. If they want to make it all about them, thats their business but it'd be nice if they did it in a place I didnt have to read and instead acknowledged that what GSL pulled today was bullshit. Sometimes you should take a step back, have a break, and then read what you wrote as if it had been written by someone else. Yeah it's been like a while now since this all happened I'm surprised he hasn't calmed down a bit.
How is it possible to calm down when the morons of the peanut gallery come here and spew their uninformed inflammatory opinions everywhere and Reddit is jerking itself into a coma over DANK TWITTER DRAMAZ?
I'm waiting for anyone to be able to dispute either of those two statements. If they can't, there's nothing more to talk about.
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On April 10 2015 22:57 Exstasy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:54 OtherWorld wrote:On April 10 2015 22:50 TotalBiscuit wrote:
If foreigners get insulted by being told the facts, that they get an easy league because they're not good enough to beat Koreans (which they have proven countless times over the past 5 years with very rare exceptions), then that goes to show their insecurities.
If Morrow and Miniraiser had any class they'd be showing solidarity for their fellow progamers who got fucked over by GSLs incompetence today but I'd have to send Miniraiser a dictionary with just the C section for him to figure out what class means.
This is not about foreigners, it never was. They're not relevant to the GSL and they haven't been since Jinro. If they want to make it all about them, thats their business but it'd be nice if they did it in a place I didnt have to read and instead acknowledged that what GSL pulled today was bullshit. Sometimes you should take a step back, have a break, and then read what you wrote as if it had been written by someone else. Yeah it's been like a while now since this all happened I'm surprised he hasn't calmed down a bit.
maybe he really is like that? :/
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On April 10 2015 22:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:57 Exstasy wrote:On April 10 2015 22:54 OtherWorld wrote:On April 10 2015 22:50 TotalBiscuit wrote:
If foreigners get insulted by being told the facts, that they get an easy league because they're not good enough to beat Koreans (which they have proven countless times over the past 5 years with very rare exceptions), then that goes to show their insecurities.
If Morrow and Miniraiser had any class they'd be showing solidarity for their fellow progamers who got fucked over by GSLs incompetence today but I'd have to send Miniraiser a dictionary with just the C section for him to figure out what class means.
This is not about foreigners, it never was. They're not relevant to the GSL and they haven't been since Jinro. If they want to make it all about them, thats their business but it'd be nice if they did it in a place I didnt have to read and instead acknowledged that what GSL pulled today was bullshit. Sometimes you should take a step back, have a break, and then read what you wrote as if it had been written by someone else. Yeah it's been like a while now since this all happened I'm surprised he hasn't calmed down a bit. How is it possible to calm down when the morons of the peanut gallery come here and spew their uninformed inflammatory opinions everywhere and Reddit is jerking itself into a coma over DANK TWITTER DRAMAZ?
Cause you're saying one thing (not all opinions are equal, forum dwellers < people who are involved/invested etc) but then you keep refreshing this page and replying and getting hot about reddit. What do you expect dude?
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On April 10 2015 23:00 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:57 Exstasy wrote:On April 10 2015 22:54 OtherWorld wrote:On April 10 2015 22:50 TotalBiscuit wrote:
If foreigners get insulted by being told the facts, that they get an easy league because they're not good enough to beat Koreans (which they have proven countless times over the past 5 years with very rare exceptions), then that goes to show their insecurities.
If Morrow and Miniraiser had any class they'd be showing solidarity for their fellow progamers who got fucked over by GSLs incompetence today but I'd have to send Miniraiser a dictionary with just the C section for him to figure out what class means.
This is not about foreigners, it never was. They're not relevant to the GSL and they haven't been since Jinro. If they want to make it all about them, thats their business but it'd be nice if they did it in a place I didnt have to read and instead acknowledged that what GSL pulled today was bullshit. Sometimes you should take a step back, have a break, and then read what you wrote as if it had been written by someone else. Yeah it's been like a while now since this all happened I'm surprised he hasn't calmed down a bit. maybe he really is like that? :/
I'm waiting. Dispute my statements or bugger off.
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I mean, when we didn't have region lock, the argument was that we needed that to create a place where foreigners could compete. Now that we have it, somehow it's not an easier way for foreigners to compete? Well what else is it supposed to be, then? The problem isn't that TB is disregarding the opinion of others, the problem is that some opinions aren't based in reality and should be called out as such.
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I think people aren't looking at it the wrong way here. This isn't a "TotalBiscuit v The World" thing. This is a matter of professionalism. GSL is supposedly the most professional tournament in the scene yet they don't have the maps ready when they explicitly told players they would? How is that fair? We can argue the merits of the region lock till the cows come home but that was never the original point.
Just think for a moment if the player in question was Snute and not Impact and it cost Snute a chance to make WCS Season 2. I think TL would burn to the ground under the hate. Would we be telling them to just accept the decision and be reasonable? I don't think so.
Look I'm not just saying this because I'm an Axiom and TB fanboy. It's true I love Axiom but TB doesn't need my defence. I just don't get where the hate comes off for what seems simple.
Again let me be clear, the region lock thing here is a separate issue. One I'm sure will be debated more and more as more Koreans come into the pool. To compare the two is apples and oranges at this point. We know WCS World is the inferior product, however much the progamers will argue, again not the issue. The issue here is GSL and I think anyone would be pissed if they were a fan of Axiom at what happened, much less the team owner and yet people seem to want TB to be emotionless and professional and to just take it. I don't get that but hey I have no real meaning in the argument other than a fan, like pretty much everyone here.
Now if you'll excuse me. My body must prepare for Clan Wars and the return of GuiltyGod on Monday
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On April 10 2015 23:02 Nebuchad wrote:
I mean, when we didn't have region lock, the argument was that we needed that to create a place where foreigners could compete. Now that we have it, somehow it's not an easier way for foreigners to compete? Well what else is it supposed to be, then? The problem isn't that TB is disregarding the opinion of others, the problem is that some opinions aren't based in reality and should be called out as such.
It's a select few foreigners and fans of said foreigners getting salty about the reality that Blizzard threw them a huge bone because they couldn't compete.
Like I said, they should be grateful Blizzard gave them that. Last year WCS NA was as hard as Code A, there were like 17 Koreans in it. Now World has 3 (who would have been the top 3 if ForGG didnt get bracketscrewed). If I was a foreign player right now I'd be on my knees thanking Blizzard for giving me a chance, not bitching that Koreans are too hard so they shouldn't have to play them, or making silly comparisons to light and heavyweight boxers.
I don't know what dimension people live in where a team owner wouldn't get royally fucking pissed that his team got screwed by GSLs mess-up, but please, if you come from that dimension, feel free to go back to it.
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