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Elentos
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On April 10 2015 22:08 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:08 GumBa wrote:
My day in a nutshell
Dark, GuMiho, Dear and Flash winning is good.
INnoVation losing and getting banned sucks major balls. why did you get banned?
Well...there was an incident.
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On April 10 2015 22:02 Poopfeast 024 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 21:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:57 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:47 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:41 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:31 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:28 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:20 Big J wrote:
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oh come on. GSL and S2SL have their own form of region lock by making it offline monthlong. If it was a weekend tournament with the qualifiers being held online, maybe even on alternating servers, we'd be seeing foreigners trying too.
Not that they'd be winning a lot, but calling WCS welfare because there are certain rules to make it impossible that you can just play the one WCS-tournament for the rest of the world if you don't feel like playing the two Korean-specific alternatives is quite pushing it. "foreigners trying" and not getting past the qualifying stage yes. Every week there are qualifiers harder than WCS Worlds for events like IEM. Worlds is Welfare. But isn't the welfare needed? WCS S1 is was a great success and the foreign scene needed that I think. Koreans can still compete there if they live and practice there, which seems fair compared to flying in and out. If Korea's football league wanted to improve, flying German and Spain teams in and out wouldn't really help. If the teams moved there and were available for practice matches all year long that's a different matter though. I think the semi region lock works out really good so far for WCS and seems fair. Korea has double leagues and SPL now, over all the tournament scene seems globally very balanced to me. Eeverything besides WCS Premiere is completely open, only this one tournament has a soft region lock. For all the talk of how WCS is supposed to be helping the foreign scene it was STILL two Koreans in the final. If anything I'd argue that just set the scene 3 steps backwards But those to Koreans at least live in the region they compete and they didn't even need a translator. It was very easy for new viewers to relate to them and cheer for them, since they saw them competing against the best foreigners all weekend long. Completely different to seeing 16 koreans compete against each other and at the end 2 of them are in the final and they all talk korean and you can't really relate as a new viewer (I personally and most hardcore fans would not mind). They saw them 3:0ing all the best foreigners you mean  Heh, fair enough, but let's see if Bunny/Snute/Showtime etc can step it up over the year  . Bunny vs Polt was really freaking close. I would not be surprised if they could eliminate the odd Korean next season, still expecting a Korean final  . polt's record is really lackluster vs terran, his record is 1-7 vs major, and he was also beaten by bunny and xenocider not so long ago. if anything, him winning was an upset, he could've been beaten by bunny so easily (just like he did at iem), hydra seeemed to do well recently vs much better opponents and only losing 1 set to foreigner, ironically that being morrow. TB was really off with his tweets, morrow was reasonable in the tweet fight and he is actually one of the few that managed to pull an upset vs a top tier korean, while TB only tried to look like a jackass (he reminded me of Thorin, and you don't wanna look like thorin). Morrow had nothing of value to add. Any foreigner that isn't grateful for WCS World isn't worth their salt. Ignoring that Miniraser is great at running his mouth but can't even qualify for WCS World, there is nothing to discuss. Foreigners got given a gift. If all they can do is bitch about it then they're not worth listening to. Our team got fucked hard by WCS changes, worse than any other team out there. Korean SC2 is the hardest it's ever been and that's without GSL pulling the wool over peoples eyes at the last minute or your presence in Code S relying 9/10ths on who you happen to get randomly drawn against in a single elimination match. that's true of course, but Morrow was being cold headed and reasonable, and let's be honest, you just wanted to start some shit to have fun, which is fine i guess. haven't read the thread that much back to know everything you discussed about the wcs format. my main point is that Polt could have been easily beaten by a foreigner, as he did many times in the recent past. Hydra is another matter, he would have shat on Bunny.
Bunny is 1-2 vs hydra, with all 3 games being close. He might not have won, but he would certainly be more competitive than you're giving him credit for.
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On April 10 2015 22:06 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:02 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:57 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:47 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:41 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:31 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:28 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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"foreigners trying" and not getting past the qualifying stage yes. Every week there are qualifiers harder than WCS Worlds for events like IEM. Worlds is Welfare. But isn't the welfare needed? WCS S1 is was a great success and the foreign scene needed that I think. Koreans can still compete there if they live and practice there, which seems fair compared to flying in and out. If Korea's football league wanted to improve, flying German and Spain teams in and out wouldn't really help. If the teams moved there and were available for practice matches all year long that's a different matter though. I think the semi region lock works out really good so far for WCS and seems fair. Korea has double leagues and SPL now, over all the tournament scene seems globally very balanced to me. Eeverything besides WCS Premiere is completely open, only this one tournament has a soft region lock. For all the talk of how WCS is supposed to be helping the foreign scene it was STILL two Koreans in the final. If anything I'd argue that just set the scene 3 steps backwards But those to Koreans at least live in the region they compete and they didn't even need a translator. It was very easy for new viewers to relate to them and cheer for them, since they saw them competing against the best foreigners all weekend long. Completely different to seeing 16 koreans compete against each other and at the end 2 of them are in the final and they all talk korean and you can't really relate as a new viewer (I personally and most hardcore fans would not mind). They saw them 3:0ing all the best foreigners you mean Heh, fair enough, but let's see if Bunny/Snute/Showtime etc can step it up over the year . Bunny vs Polt was really freaking close. I would not be surprised if they could eliminate the odd Korean next season, still expecting a Korean final . polt's record is really lackluster vs terran, his record is 1-7 vs major, and he was also beaten by bunny and xenocider not so long ago. if anything, him winning was an upset, he could've been beaten by bunny so easily (just like he did at iem), hydra seeemed to do well recently vs much better opponents and only losing 1 set to foreigner, ironically that being morrow. TB was really off with his tweets, morrow was reasonable in the tweet fight and he is actually one of the few that managed to pull an upset vs a top tier korean, while TB only tried to look like a jackass (he reminded me of Thorin, and you don't wanna look like thorin). Morrow had nothing of value to add. Any foreigner that isn't grateful for WCS World isn't worth their salt. Ignoring that Miniraser is great at running his mouth but can't even qualify for WCS World, there is nothing to discuss. Foreigners got given a gift. If all they can do is bitch about it then they're not worth listening to. Our team got fucked hard by WCS changes, worse than any other team out there. Korean SC2 is the hardest it's ever been and that's without GSL pulling the wool over peoples eyes at the last minute or your presence in Code S relying 9/10ths on who you happen to get randomly drawn against in a single elimination match. that's true of course, but Morrow was being cold headed and reasonable, and let's be honest, you just wanted to start some shit to have fun, which is fine i guess. haven't read the thread that much back to know everything you discussed about the wcs format. my main point is that Polt could have been easily beaten by a foreigner, as he did many times in the recent past. Hydra is another matter, he would have shat on Bunny. If Bunny gets to 20 minutes vs Hydra it's a free win! No seriously, you're not giving Bunny enough credit. Polt was in a really bad TvZ slump in the beginning of this year, he needed like 3 qualifiers to get into WCS Challenger because he kept losing to Zergs (e.g. Kane). Bunny was consistently in really good shape in TvZ throughout the year. He should have had a decent chance.
you're probably right, but i think hydra had huge momentum being 16-0 or something like that in the tournament, i think he would've been really confident and Bunny probably a tad intimidated.
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On April 10 2015 22:09 Poopfeast 024 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:06 Elentos wrote:On April 10 2015 22:02 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:57 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:47 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:41 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:31 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:28 Musicus wrote:
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But isn't the welfare needed? WCS S1 is was a great success and the foreign scene needed that I think. Koreans can still compete there if they live and practice there, which seems fair compared to flying in and out.
If Korea's football league wanted to improve, flying German and Spain teams in and out wouldn't really help. If the teams moved there and were available for practice matches all year long that's a different matter though.
I think the semi region lock works out really good so far for WCS and seems fair. Korea has double leagues and SPL now, over all the tournament scene seems globally very balanced to me. Eeverything besides WCS Premiere is completely open, only this one tournament has a soft region lock. For all the talk of how WCS is supposed to be helping the foreign scene it was STILL two Koreans in the final. If anything I'd argue that just set the scene 3 steps backwards But those to Koreans at least live in the region they compete and they didn't even need a translator. It was very easy for new viewers to relate to them and cheer for them, since they saw them competing against the best foreigners all weekend long. Completely different to seeing 16 koreans compete against each other and at the end 2 of them are in the final and they all talk korean and you can't really relate as a new viewer (I personally and most hardcore fans would not mind). They saw them 3:0ing all the best foreigners you mean Heh, fair enough, but let's see if Bunny/Snute/Showtime etc can step it up over the year . Bunny vs Polt was really freaking close. I would not be surprised if they could eliminate the odd Korean next season, still expecting a Korean final . polt's record is really lackluster vs terran, his record is 1-7 vs major, and he was also beaten by bunny and xenocider not so long ago. if anything, him winning was an upset, he could've been beaten by bunny so easily (just like he did at iem), hydra seeemed to do well recently vs much better opponents and only losing 1 set to foreigner, ironically that being morrow. TB was really off with his tweets, morrow was reasonable in the tweet fight and he is actually one of the few that managed to pull an upset vs a top tier korean, while TB only tried to look like a jackass (he reminded me of Thorin, and you don't wanna look like thorin). Morrow had nothing of value to add. Any foreigner that isn't grateful for WCS World isn't worth their salt. Ignoring that Miniraser is great at running his mouth but can't even qualify for WCS World, there is nothing to discuss. Foreigners got given a gift. If all they can do is bitch about it then they're not worth listening to. Our team got fucked hard by WCS changes, worse than any other team out there. Korean SC2 is the hardest it's ever been and that's without GSL pulling the wool over peoples eyes at the last minute or your presence in Code S relying 9/10ths on who you happen to get randomly drawn against in a single elimination match. that's true of course, but Morrow was being cold headed and reasonable, and let's be honest, you just wanted to start some shit to have fun, which is fine i guess. haven't read the thread that much back to know everything you discussed about the wcs format. my main point is that Polt could have been easily beaten by a foreigner, as he did many times in the recent past. Hydra is another matter, he would have shat on Bunny. If Bunny gets to 20 minutes vs Hydra it's a free win! No seriously, you're not giving Bunny enough credit. Polt was in a really bad TvZ slump in the beginning of this year, he needed like 3 qualifiers to get into WCS Challenger because he kept losing to Zergs (e.g. Kane). Bunny was consistently in really good shape in TvZ throughout the year. He should have had a decent chance. you're probably right, but i think hydra had huge momentum being 16-0 or something like that in the tournament, i think he would've been really confident and Bunny probably a tad intimidated.
Hydra actually lost a series to Morrow in WCS. And then he went on a rampage :S
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On April 10 2015 22:03 lohdon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 21:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:57 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:47 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:41 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:31 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:28 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:20 Big J wrote:
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oh come on. GSL and S2SL have their own form of region lock by making it offline monthlong. If it was a weekend tournament with the qualifiers being held online, maybe even on alternating servers, we'd be seeing foreigners trying too.
Not that they'd be winning a lot, but calling WCS welfare because there are certain rules to make it impossible that you can just play the one WCS-tournament for the rest of the world if you don't feel like playing the two Korean-specific alternatives is quite pushing it. "foreigners trying" and not getting past the qualifying stage yes. Every week there are qualifiers harder than WCS Worlds for events like IEM. Worlds is Welfare. But isn't the welfare needed? WCS S1 is was a great success and the foreign scene needed that I think. Koreans can still compete there if they live and practice there, which seems fair compared to flying in and out. If Korea's football league wanted to improve, flying German and Spain teams in and out wouldn't really help. If the teams moved there and were available for practice matches all year long that's a different matter though. I think the semi region lock works out really good so far for WCS and seems fair. Korea has double leagues and SPL now, over all the tournament scene seems globally very balanced to me. Eeverything besides WCS Premiere is completely open, only this one tournament has a soft region lock. For all the talk of how WCS is supposed to be helping the foreign scene it was STILL two Koreans in the final. If anything I'd argue that just set the scene 3 steps backwards But those to Koreans at least live in the region they compete and they didn't even need a translator. It was very easy for new viewers to relate to them and cheer for them, since they saw them competing against the best foreigners all weekend long. Completely different to seeing 16 koreans compete against each other and at the end 2 of them are in the final and they all talk korean and you can't really relate as a new viewer (I personally and most hardcore fans would not mind). They saw them 3:0ing all the best foreigners you mean Heh, fair enough, but let's see if Bunny/Snute/Showtime etc can step it up over the year . Bunny vs Polt was really freaking close. I would not be surprised if they could eliminate the odd Korean next season, still expecting a Korean final . polt's record is really lackluster vs terran, his record is 1-7 vs major, and he was also beaten by bunny and xenocider not so long ago. if anything, him winning was an upset, he could've been beaten by bunny so easily (just like he did at iem), hydra seeemed to do well recently vs much better opponents and only losing 1 set to foreigner, ironically that being morrow. TB was really off with his tweets, morrow was reasonable in the tweet fight and he is actually one of the few that managed to pull an upset vs a top tier korean, while TB only tried to look like a jackass (he reminded me of Thorin, and you don't wanna look like thorin). Morrow had nothing of value to add. Any foreigner that isn't grateful for WCS World isn't worth their salt. Ignoring that Miniraser is great at running his mouth but can't even qualify for WCS World, there is nothing to discuss. Foreigners got given a gift. If all they can do is bitch about it then they're not worth listening to. Our team got fucked hard by WCS changes, worse than any other team out there. Korean SC2 is the hardest it's ever been and that's without GSL pulling the wool over peoples eyes at the last minute or your presence in Code S relying 9/10ths on who you happen to get randomly drawn against in a single elimination match. I am sad for you that you really seem to think that throwing around some money in itself makes your opinion more relevant. Especially if you talk about the skill of players while you never made it out of bronze league. Have fun throwing around the word toxic all day everyday.
Huh?
Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there.
As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away.
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On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:03 lohdon wrote:On April 10 2015 21:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:57 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:47 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:41 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:31 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:28 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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"foreigners trying" and not getting past the qualifying stage yes. Every week there are qualifiers harder than WCS Worlds for events like IEM. Worlds is Welfare. But isn't the welfare needed? WCS S1 is was a great success and the foreign scene needed that I think. Koreans can still compete there if they live and practice there, which seems fair compared to flying in and out. If Korea's football league wanted to improve, flying German and Spain teams in and out wouldn't really help. If the teams moved there and were available for practice matches all year long that's a different matter though. I think the semi region lock works out really good so far for WCS and seems fair. Korea has double leagues and SPL now, over all the tournament scene seems globally very balanced to me. Eeverything besides WCS Premiere is completely open, only this one tournament has a soft region lock. For all the talk of how WCS is supposed to be helping the foreign scene it was STILL two Koreans in the final. If anything I'd argue that just set the scene 3 steps backwards But those to Koreans at least live in the region they compete and they didn't even need a translator. It was very easy for new viewers to relate to them and cheer for them, since they saw them competing against the best foreigners all weekend long. Completely different to seeing 16 koreans compete against each other and at the end 2 of them are in the final and they all talk korean and you can't really relate as a new viewer (I personally and most hardcore fans would not mind). They saw them 3:0ing all the best foreigners you mean Heh, fair enough, but let's see if Bunny/Snute/Showtime etc can step it up over the year . Bunny vs Polt was really freaking close. I would not be surprised if they could eliminate the odd Korean next season, still expecting a Korean final . polt's record is really lackluster vs terran, his record is 1-7 vs major, and he was also beaten by bunny and xenocider not so long ago. if anything, him winning was an upset, he could've been beaten by bunny so easily (just like he did at iem), hydra seeemed to do well recently vs much better opponents and only losing 1 set to foreigner, ironically that being morrow. TB was really off with his tweets, morrow was reasonable in the tweet fight and he is actually one of the few that managed to pull an upset vs a top tier korean, while TB only tried to look like a jackass (he reminded me of Thorin, and you don't wanna look like thorin). Morrow had nothing of value to add. Any foreigner that isn't grateful for WCS World isn't worth their salt. Ignoring that Miniraser is great at running his mouth but can't even qualify for WCS World, there is nothing to discuss. Foreigners got given a gift. If all they can do is bitch about it then they're not worth listening to. Our team got fucked hard by WCS changes, worse than any other team out there. Korean SC2 is the hardest it's ever been and that's without GSL pulling the wool over peoples eyes at the last minute or your presence in Code S relying 9/10ths on who you happen to get randomly drawn against in a single elimination match. I am sad for you that you really seem to think that throwing around some money in itself makes your opinion more relevant. Especially if you talk about the skill of players while you never made it out of bronze league. Have fun throwing around the word toxic all day everyday. Huh? Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there. As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away.
There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight.
Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them.
This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance.
Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane.
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On April 10 2015 22:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:03 lohdon wrote:On April 10 2015 21:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:57 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:47 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:41 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:31 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:28 Musicus wrote:
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But isn't the welfare needed? WCS S1 is was a great success and the foreign scene needed that I think. Koreans can still compete there if they live and practice there, which seems fair compared to flying in and out.
If Korea's football league wanted to improve, flying German and Spain teams in and out wouldn't really help. If the teams moved there and were available for practice matches all year long that's a different matter though.
I think the semi region lock works out really good so far for WCS and seems fair. Korea has double leagues and SPL now, over all the tournament scene seems globally very balanced to me. Eeverything besides WCS Premiere is completely open, only this one tournament has a soft region lock. For all the talk of how WCS is supposed to be helping the foreign scene it was STILL two Koreans in the final. If anything I'd argue that just set the scene 3 steps backwards But those to Koreans at least live in the region they compete and they didn't even need a translator. It was very easy for new viewers to relate to them and cheer for them, since they saw them competing against the best foreigners all weekend long. Completely different to seeing 16 koreans compete against each other and at the end 2 of them are in the final and they all talk korean and you can't really relate as a new viewer (I personally and most hardcore fans would not mind). They saw them 3:0ing all the best foreigners you mean Heh, fair enough, but let's see if Bunny/Snute/Showtime etc can step it up over the year . Bunny vs Polt was really freaking close. I would not be surprised if they could eliminate the odd Korean next season, still expecting a Korean final . polt's record is really lackluster vs terran, his record is 1-7 vs major, and he was also beaten by bunny and xenocider not so long ago. if anything, him winning was an upset, he could've been beaten by bunny so easily (just like he did at iem), hydra seeemed to do well recently vs much better opponents and only losing 1 set to foreigner, ironically that being morrow. TB was really off with his tweets, morrow was reasonable in the tweet fight and he is actually one of the few that managed to pull an upset vs a top tier korean, while TB only tried to look like a jackass (he reminded me of Thorin, and you don't wanna look like thorin). Morrow had nothing of value to add. Any foreigner that isn't grateful for WCS World isn't worth their salt. Ignoring that Miniraser is great at running his mouth but can't even qualify for WCS World, there is nothing to discuss. Foreigners got given a gift. If all they can do is bitch about it then they're not worth listening to. Our team got fucked hard by WCS changes, worse than any other team out there. Korean SC2 is the hardest it's ever been and that's without GSL pulling the wool over peoples eyes at the last minute or your presence in Code S relying 9/10ths on who you happen to get randomly drawn against in a single elimination match. I am sad for you that you really seem to think that throwing around some money in itself makes your opinion more relevant. Especially if you talk about the skill of players while you never made it out of bronze league. Have fun throwing around the word toxic all day everyday. Huh? Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there. As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away. There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight. Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them. This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance. Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane.
You don't seem to respect the opinion of progamers very much
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On April 10 2015 22:18 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:03 lohdon wrote:On April 10 2015 21:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:57 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:47 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:41 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:31 showstealer1829 wrote:
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For all the talk of how WCS is supposed to be helping the foreign scene it was STILL two Koreans in the final. If anything I'd argue that just set the scene 3 steps backwards
But those to Koreans at least live in the region they compete and they didn't even need a translator. It was very easy for new viewers to relate to them and cheer for them, since they saw them competing against the best foreigners all weekend long. Completely different to seeing 16 koreans compete against each other and at the end 2 of them are in the final and they all talk korean and you can't really relate as a new viewer (I personally and most hardcore fans would not mind). They saw them 3:0ing all the best foreigners you mean Heh, fair enough, but let's see if Bunny/Snute/Showtime etc can step it up over the year . Bunny vs Polt was really freaking close. I would not be surprised if they could eliminate the odd Korean next season, still expecting a Korean final . polt's record is really lackluster vs terran, his record is 1-7 vs major, and he was also beaten by bunny and xenocider not so long ago. if anything, him winning was an upset, he could've been beaten by bunny so easily (just like he did at iem), hydra seeemed to do well recently vs much better opponents and only losing 1 set to foreigner, ironically that being morrow. TB was really off with his tweets, morrow was reasonable in the tweet fight and he is actually one of the few that managed to pull an upset vs a top tier korean, while TB only tried to look like a jackass (he reminded me of Thorin, and you don't wanna look like thorin). Morrow had nothing of value to add. Any foreigner that isn't grateful for WCS World isn't worth their salt. Ignoring that Miniraser is great at running his mouth but can't even qualify for WCS World, there is nothing to discuss. Foreigners got given a gift. If all they can do is bitch about it then they're not worth listening to. Our team got fucked hard by WCS changes, worse than any other team out there. Korean SC2 is the hardest it's ever been and that's without GSL pulling the wool over peoples eyes at the last minute or your presence in Code S relying 9/10ths on who you happen to get randomly drawn against in a single elimination match. I am sad for you that you really seem to think that throwing around some money in itself makes your opinion more relevant. Especially if you talk about the skill of players while you never made it out of bronze league. Have fun throwing around the word toxic all day everyday. Huh? Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there. As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away. There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight. Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them. This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance. Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane. You don't seem to respect the opinion of progamers very much
I am so very sorry for not thinking that "LOL UR FAT" is somehow cutting edge commentary on the state of the business. Miniraiser is a fucking childish edgelord who should have his twitter account revoked by his manager until he is good enough to qualify for WCS World.
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On April 10 2015 22:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:18 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:03 lohdon wrote:On April 10 2015 21:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:57 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:47 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:41 Musicus wrote:
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But those to Koreans at least live in the region they compete and they didn't even need a translator. It was very easy for new viewers to relate to them and cheer for them, since they saw them competing against the best foreigners all weekend long. Completely different to seeing 16 koreans compete against each other and at the end 2 of them are in the final and they all talk korean and you can't really relate as a new viewer (I personally and most hardcore fans would not mind).
They saw them 3:0ing all the best foreigners you mean Heh, fair enough, but let's see if Bunny/Snute/Showtime etc can step it up over the year . Bunny vs Polt was really freaking close. I would not be surprised if they could eliminate the odd Korean next season, still expecting a Korean final . polt's record is really lackluster vs terran, his record is 1-7 vs major, and he was also beaten by bunny and xenocider not so long ago. if anything, him winning was an upset, he could've been beaten by bunny so easily (just like he did at iem), hydra seeemed to do well recently vs much better opponents and only losing 1 set to foreigner, ironically that being morrow. TB was really off with his tweets, morrow was reasonable in the tweet fight and he is actually one of the few that managed to pull an upset vs a top tier korean, while TB only tried to look like a jackass (he reminded me of Thorin, and you don't wanna look like thorin). Morrow had nothing of value to add. Any foreigner that isn't grateful for WCS World isn't worth their salt. Ignoring that Miniraser is great at running his mouth but can't even qualify for WCS World, there is nothing to discuss. Foreigners got given a gift. If all they can do is bitch about it then they're not worth listening to. Our team got fucked hard by WCS changes, worse than any other team out there. Korean SC2 is the hardest it's ever been and that's without GSL pulling the wool over peoples eyes at the last minute or your presence in Code S relying 9/10ths on who you happen to get randomly drawn against in a single elimination match. I am sad for you that you really seem to think that throwing around some money in itself makes your opinion more relevant. Especially if you talk about the skill of players while you never made it out of bronze league. Have fun throwing around the word toxic all day everyday. Huh? Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there. As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away. There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight. Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them. This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance. Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane. You don't seem to respect the opinion of progamers very much I am so very sorry for not thinking that "LOL UR FAT" is somehow cutting edge commentary on the state of the business. Miniraiser is a fucking childish edgelord who should have his twitter account revoked by his manager until he is good enough to qualify for WCS World.
You have a very selective memory
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On April 10 2015 22:20 DBooN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:03 lohdon wrote:On April 10 2015 21:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:57 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:47 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:[quote] They saw them 3:0ing all the best foreigners you mean Heh, fair enough, but let's see if Bunny/Snute/Showtime etc can step it up over the year . Bunny vs Polt was really freaking close. I would not be surprised if they could eliminate the odd Korean next season, still expecting a Korean final . polt's record is really lackluster vs terran, his record is 1-7 vs major, and he was also beaten by bunny and xenocider not so long ago. if anything, him winning was an upset, he could've been beaten by bunny so easily (just like he did at iem), hydra seeemed to do well recently vs much better opponents and only losing 1 set to foreigner, ironically that being morrow. TB was really off with his tweets, morrow was reasonable in the tweet fight and he is actually one of the few that managed to pull an upset vs a top tier korean, while TB only tried to look like a jackass (he reminded me of Thorin, and you don't wanna look like thorin). Morrow had nothing of value to add. Any foreigner that isn't grateful for WCS World isn't worth their salt. Ignoring that Miniraser is great at running his mouth but can't even qualify for WCS World, there is nothing to discuss. Foreigners got given a gift. If all they can do is bitch about it then they're not worth listening to. Our team got fucked hard by WCS changes, worse than any other team out there. Korean SC2 is the hardest it's ever been and that's without GSL pulling the wool over peoples eyes at the last minute or your presence in Code S relying 9/10ths on who you happen to get randomly drawn against in a single elimination match. I am sad for you that you really seem to think that throwing around some money in itself makes your opinion more relevant. Especially if you talk about the skill of players while you never made it out of bronze league. Have fun throwing around the word toxic all day everyday. Huh? Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there. As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away. There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight. Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them. This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance. Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane. You don't seem to respect the opinion of progamers very much I am so very sorry for not thinking that "LOL UR FAT" is somehow cutting edge commentary on the state of the business. Miniraiser is a fucking childish edgelord who should have his twitter account revoked by his manager until he is good enough to qualify for WCS World. You have a very selective memory
Not at all. Nothing of worth was said by Morrow and certainly not by Miniraiser. Foreigners should be grateful they have WCS World. That was the statement. You wanna dispute that? Because apparently Morrow does, which is a joke. Any foreigner should be VERY happy that they get such a lucrative region-locked event.
People like uThermal are delusional if they think WCS World is harder than even something like Olimoleague. Almost every Korean qualifier is harder than WCS World, heck those events are often harder than Code A.
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Morrow won $4,500 for going out of a tournament in the first round..lol
He qualified by 3-2 against Bling.
edit* to be fair he also 2-1'd Hephaistas, Tefel, Goody & Revolver
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On April 10 2015 22:26 Exstasy wrote:
Morrow won $4,500 for going out of a tournament in the first round..lol
He qualified by 3-2 against Bling.
Foreign competition sure is fierce.
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On April 10 2015 22:26 Exstasy wrote:
Morrow won $4,500 for going out of a tournament in the first round..lol
He qualified by 3-2 against Bling.
And at the same time if I recall right Taeja-Parting-Sacsri-GuMi were battling in the Olimoleague for a $75 first prize
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On April 10 2015 22:30 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:26 Exstasy wrote:
Morrow won $4,500 for going out of a tournament in the first round..lol
He qualified by 3-2 against Bling. And at the same time if I recall right Taeja-Parting-Sacsri-GuMi were battling in the Olimoleague for a $75 first prize
But uThermal said WCS World was harder than Olimoleague! He's a progamer, I should believe him!
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On April 10 2015 22:33 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:30 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:26 Exstasy wrote:
Morrow won $4,500 for going out of a tournament in the first round..lol
He qualified by 3-2 against Bling. And at the same time if I recall right Taeja-Parting-Sacsri-GuMi were battling in the Olimoleague for a $75 first prize But uThermal said WCS World was harder than Olimoleague! He's a progamer, I should believe him!
Well naturally. Those 4 are scrubs! I mean Taeja was just lucky Templar lost to got cheated out of a rightful win by Demi
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On April 10 2015 22:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:20 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:03 lohdon wrote:On April 10 2015 21:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:57 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 21:47 Musicus wrote:[quote] Heh, fair enough, but let's see if Bunny/Snute/Showtime etc can step it up over the year . Bunny vs Polt was really freaking close. I would not be surprised if they could eliminate the odd Korean next season, still expecting a Korean final . polt's record is really lackluster vs terran, his record is 1-7 vs major, and he was also beaten by bunny and xenocider not so long ago. if anything, him winning was an upset, he could've been beaten by bunny so easily (just like he did at iem), hydra seeemed to do well recently vs much better opponents and only losing 1 set to foreigner, ironically that being morrow. TB was really off with his tweets, morrow was reasonable in the tweet fight and he is actually one of the few that managed to pull an upset vs a top tier korean, while TB only tried to look like a jackass (he reminded me of Thorin, and you don't wanna look like thorin). Morrow had nothing of value to add. Any foreigner that isn't grateful for WCS World isn't worth their salt. Ignoring that Miniraser is great at running his mouth but can't even qualify for WCS World, there is nothing to discuss. Foreigners got given a gift. If all they can do is bitch about it then they're not worth listening to. Our team got fucked hard by WCS changes, worse than any other team out there. Korean SC2 is the hardest it's ever been and that's without GSL pulling the wool over peoples eyes at the last minute or your presence in Code S relying 9/10ths on who you happen to get randomly drawn against in a single elimination match. I am sad for you that you really seem to think that throwing around some money in itself makes your opinion more relevant. Especially if you talk about the skill of players while you never made it out of bronze league. Have fun throwing around the word toxic all day everyday. Huh? Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there. As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away. There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight. Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them. This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance. Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane. You don't seem to respect the opinion of progamers very much I am so very sorry for not thinking that "LOL UR FAT" is somehow cutting edge commentary on the state of the business. Miniraiser is a fucking childish edgelord who should have his twitter account revoked by his manager until he is good enough to qualify for WCS World. You have a very selective memory Not at all. Nothing of worth was said by Morrow and certainly not by Miniraiser. Foreigners should be grateful they have WCS World. That was the statement. You wanna dispute that? Because apparently Morrow does, which is a joke. Any foreigner should be VERY happy that they get such a lucrative region-locked event. People like uThermal are delusional if they think WCS World is harder than even something like Olimoleague. Almost every Korean qualifier is harder than WCS World, heck those events are often harder than Code A.
what were you expecting to something like " i hope foreigners realize how lucky they are (...)" ? did you expect they say "yes we realize, forgive me for trying" ? your statement was absolutely not worth a discussion, every player will obviously try to compete in tournaments they think are worth their time, it's not their fault that it's easier than a different tournament 5k miles away. Obviously someone will reply to it in such a manner because you're trying to belittle them, being borderline insulting. They also are infintely better at the game than you, and you have no precise information of the time and effort they invest in the game, but you try to give shit to him with irrelevant low blows like the winter game. you were just being provocative for no real reason but to amuse yourself, calling people out, trying to start a flamewar, taking pages out of naniwa's or thorin's book (the two shittiest books available, mind you). Morrow was like 10 times more respectful that the majority of other players would have been. Miniraser was about as childish as you.
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On April 10 2015 22:36 Poopfeast 024 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:20 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:03 lohdon wrote:On April 10 2015 21:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:57 Poopfeast 024 wrote:
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polt's record is really lackluster vs terran, his record is 1-7 vs major, and he was also beaten by bunny and xenocider not so long ago. if anything, him winning was an upset, he could've been beaten by bunny so easily (just like he did at iem), hydra seeemed to do well recently vs much better opponents and only losing 1 set to foreigner, ironically that being morrow. TB was really off with his tweets, morrow was reasonable in the tweet fight and he is actually one of the few that managed to pull an upset vs a top tier korean, while TB only tried to look like a jackass (he reminded me of Thorin, and you don't wanna look like thorin). Morrow had nothing of value to add. Any foreigner that isn't grateful for WCS World isn't worth their salt. Ignoring that Miniraser is great at running his mouth but can't even qualify for WCS World, there is nothing to discuss. Foreigners got given a gift. If all they can do is bitch about it then they're not worth listening to. Our team got fucked hard by WCS changes, worse than any other team out there. Korean SC2 is the hardest it's ever been and that's without GSL pulling the wool over peoples eyes at the last minute or your presence in Code S relying 9/10ths on who you happen to get randomly drawn against in a single elimination match. I am sad for you that you really seem to think that throwing around some money in itself makes your opinion more relevant. Especially if you talk about the skill of players while you never made it out of bronze league. Have fun throwing around the word toxic all day everyday. Huh? Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there. As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away. There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight. Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them. This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance. Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane. You don't seem to respect the opinion of progamers very much I am so very sorry for not thinking that "LOL UR FAT" is somehow cutting edge commentary on the state of the business. Miniraiser is a fucking childish edgelord who should have his twitter account revoked by his manager until he is good enough to qualify for WCS World. You have a very selective memory Not at all. Nothing of worth was said by Morrow and certainly not by Miniraiser. Foreigners should be grateful they have WCS World. That was the statement. You wanna dispute that? Because apparently Morrow does, which is a joke. Any foreigner should be VERY happy that they get such a lucrative region-locked event. People like uThermal are delusional if they think WCS World is harder than even something like Olimoleague. Almost every Korean qualifier is harder than WCS World, heck those events are often harder than Code A. what were you expecting to something like " i hope foreigners realize how lucky they are (...)" ? did you expect they say "yes we realize, forgive me for trying" ? your statement was absolutely not worth a discussion, every player will obviously try to compete in tournaments they think are worth their time. Obviously someone will reply to it because you're trying to belittle them foreigners. They also are infintely better at the game than you, and you have no precise information of the time and effort they invest in the game. you were just being provocative for no real reason but to amuse yourself, calling people out, trying to start a flamewar, taking pages out of naniwa's or thorin's book (the two shittiest books available, mind you). Morrow was like 10 times more respectful that the majority of other players would have been. Miniraser was about as childish as you.
His team and players getting fucked sideways first by WCS then GSL isn't a good reason? 
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On April 10 2015 22:40 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:36 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:20 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:03 lohdon wrote:On April 10 2015 21:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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Morrow had nothing of value to add. Any foreigner that isn't grateful for WCS World isn't worth their salt. Ignoring that Miniraser is great at running his mouth but can't even qualify for WCS World, there is nothing to discuss. Foreigners got given a gift. If all they can do is bitch about it then they're not worth listening to. Our team got fucked hard by WCS changes, worse than any other team out there. Korean SC2 is the hardest it's ever been and that's without GSL pulling the wool over peoples eyes at the last minute or your presence in Code S relying 9/10ths on who you happen to get randomly drawn against in a single elimination match.
I am sad for you that you really seem to think that throwing around some money in itself makes your opinion more relevant. Especially if you talk about the skill of players while you never made it out of bronze league. Have fun throwing around the word toxic all day everyday. Huh? Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there. As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away. There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight. Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them. This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance. Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane. You don't seem to respect the opinion of progamers very much I am so very sorry for not thinking that "LOL UR FAT" is somehow cutting edge commentary on the state of the business. Miniraiser is a fucking childish edgelord who should have his twitter account revoked by his manager until he is good enough to qualify for WCS World. You have a very selective memory Not at all. Nothing of worth was said by Morrow and certainly not by Miniraiser. Foreigners should be grateful they have WCS World. That was the statement. You wanna dispute that? Because apparently Morrow does, which is a joke. Any foreigner should be VERY happy that they get such a lucrative region-locked event. People like uThermal are delusional if they think WCS World is harder than even something like Olimoleague. Almost every Korean qualifier is harder than WCS World, heck those events are often harder than Code A. what were you expecting to something like " i hope foreigners realize how lucky they are (...)" ? did you expect they say "yes we realize, forgive me for trying" ? your statement was absolutely not worth a discussion, every player will obviously try to compete in tournaments they think are worth their time. Obviously someone will reply to it because you're trying to belittle them foreigners. They also are infintely better at the game than you, and you have no precise information of the time and effort they invest in the game. you were just being provocative for no real reason but to amuse yourself, calling people out, trying to start a flamewar, taking pages out of naniwa's or thorin's book (the two shittiest books available, mind you). Morrow was like 10 times more respectful that the majority of other players would have been. Miniraser was about as childish as you. His team and players getting fucked sideways first by WCS then GSL isn't a good reason?
you have to realize that being really frustrated is only "good reason" to be angry, but rarely to initiate reasonable discussion. TB just proved this himself.
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On April 10 2015 22:36 Poopfeast 024 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:20 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:03 lohdon wrote:On April 10 2015 21:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:57 Poopfeast 024 wrote:
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polt's record is really lackluster vs terran, his record is 1-7 vs major, and he was also beaten by bunny and xenocider not so long ago. if anything, him winning was an upset, he could've been beaten by bunny so easily (just like he did at iem), hydra seeemed to do well recently vs much better opponents and only losing 1 set to foreigner, ironically that being morrow. TB was really off with his tweets, morrow was reasonable in the tweet fight and he is actually one of the few that managed to pull an upset vs a top tier korean, while TB only tried to look like a jackass (he reminded me of Thorin, and you don't wanna look like thorin). Morrow had nothing of value to add. Any foreigner that isn't grateful for WCS World isn't worth their salt. Ignoring that Miniraser is great at running his mouth but can't even qualify for WCS World, there is nothing to discuss. Foreigners got given a gift. If all they can do is bitch about it then they're not worth listening to. Our team got fucked hard by WCS changes, worse than any other team out there. Korean SC2 is the hardest it's ever been and that's without GSL pulling the wool over peoples eyes at the last minute or your presence in Code S relying 9/10ths on who you happen to get randomly drawn against in a single elimination match. I am sad for you that you really seem to think that throwing around some money in itself makes your opinion more relevant. Especially if you talk about the skill of players while you never made it out of bronze league. Have fun throwing around the word toxic all day everyday. Huh? Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there. As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away. There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight. Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them. This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance. Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane. You don't seem to respect the opinion of progamers very much I am so very sorry for not thinking that "LOL UR FAT" is somehow cutting edge commentary on the state of the business. Miniraiser is a fucking childish edgelord who should have his twitter account revoked by his manager until he is good enough to qualify for WCS World. You have a very selective memory Not at all. Nothing of worth was said by Morrow and certainly not by Miniraiser. Foreigners should be grateful they have WCS World. That was the statement. You wanna dispute that? Because apparently Morrow does, which is a joke. Any foreigner should be VERY happy that they get such a lucrative region-locked event. People like uThermal are delusional if they think WCS World is harder than even something like Olimoleague. Almost every Korean qualifier is harder than WCS World, heck those events are often harder than Code A. what were you expecting to something like " i hope foreigners realize how lucky they are (...)" ? did you expect they say "yes we realize, forgive me for trying" ? your statement was absolutely not worth a discussion, every player will obviously try to compete in tournaments they think are worth their time. Obviously someone will reply to it because you're trying to belittle them foreigners. They also are infintely better at the game than you, and you have no precise information of the time and effort they invest in the game. you were just being provocative for no real reason but to amuse yourself, calling people out, trying to start a flamewar, taking pages out of naniwa's or thorin's book (the two shittiest books available, mind you). Morrow was like 10 times more respectful that the majority of other players would have been. Miniraser was about as childish as you.
Yeah Twitter is 99% reaction and he was hot after today's games and the patch issues. Everyone knows you don't always make the right calls in the moment. Still, Morrow making $4,500 going out in ro32 is funny. I kind of hope his liquipedia is out of date cause at the moment the only tournament it says he won was when he 5 rax reapered IdrA back in 2010.
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On April 10 2015 22:42 Exstasy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 22:36 Poopfeast 024 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:20 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:18 DBooN wrote:On April 10 2015 22:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 22:14 showstealer1829 wrote:On April 10 2015 22:03 lohdon wrote:On April 10 2015 21:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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Morrow had nothing of value to add. Any foreigner that isn't grateful for WCS World isn't worth their salt. Ignoring that Miniraser is great at running his mouth but can't even qualify for WCS World, there is nothing to discuss. Foreigners got given a gift. If all they can do is bitch about it then they're not worth listening to. Our team got fucked hard by WCS changes, worse than any other team out there. Korean SC2 is the hardest it's ever been and that's without GSL pulling the wool over peoples eyes at the last minute or your presence in Code S relying 9/10ths on who you happen to get randomly drawn against in a single elimination match.
I am sad for you that you really seem to think that throwing around some money in itself makes your opinion more relevant. Especially if you talk about the skill of players while you never made it out of bronze league. Have fun throwing around the word toxic all day everyday. Huh? Does every team owner have more relevance than most? If the teams pull out then the game dies right? I'm confused as to how you figure where the opinion is not relevant. Especially since it appears Axiom was told one thing before play only to have it change when they got there. As much as TB is kinda blunt in saying it. I don't blame him for it, he is right. Axiom got fucked over hardcore, they're still getting fucked to this day. It's only through hard work and a passionate owner they still exist. Any other owner would've walked away. There's this weird thing on the internet where people believe opinions have equal weight. Newsflash, they don't. Opinions from the peanut gallery don't matter as much as opinions of progamers, managers, tournament organizers, whatever, on subjects that directly involve them. This screwup directly involves my team. My opinion is obviously relevant to that. Random guy on forum? Not so much. They have no investment to protect, they have no horse in the race, their opinions are as a result, flippant and lacking in substance. Any sane person would respect the notion of standing by your players, even when they lose. But some of the people in this scene are not sane. You don't seem to respect the opinion of progamers very much I am so very sorry for not thinking that "LOL UR FAT" is somehow cutting edge commentary on the state of the business. Miniraiser is a fucking childish edgelord who should have his twitter account revoked by his manager until he is good enough to qualify for WCS World. You have a very selective memory Not at all. Nothing of worth was said by Morrow and certainly not by Miniraiser. Foreigners should be grateful they have WCS World. That was the statement. You wanna dispute that? Because apparently Morrow does, which is a joke. Any foreigner should be VERY happy that they get such a lucrative region-locked event. People like uThermal are delusional if they think WCS World is harder than even something like Olimoleague. Almost every Korean qualifier is harder than WCS World, heck those events are often harder than Code A. what were you expecting to something like " i hope foreigners realize how lucky they are (...)" ? did you expect they say "yes we realize, forgive me for trying" ? your statement was absolutely not worth a discussion, every player will obviously try to compete in tournaments they think are worth their time. Obviously someone will reply to it because you're trying to belittle them foreigners. They also are infintely better at the game than you, and you have no precise information of the time and effort they invest in the game. you were just being provocative for no real reason but to amuse yourself, calling people out, trying to start a flamewar, taking pages out of naniwa's or thorin's book (the two shittiest books available, mind you). Morrow was like 10 times more respectful that the majority of other players would have been. Miniraser was about as childish as you. Yeah Twitter is 99% reaction and he was hot after today's games and the patch issues. Everyone knows you don't always make the right calls in the moment. Still, Morrow making $4,500 going out in ro32 is funny. I kind of hope his liquipedia is out of date cause at the moment the only tournament it says he won was when he 5 rax reapered IdrA back in 2010.
that prize money is pretty crazy. and yes, he didn't win any other tournament i think. but if that's a reason to talk down on someone i suggest people take a look around in tl's roster before picking a random progamer who even takes the effort to reply to flame in a respectful manner.
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