On April 10 2015 21:29 Topdoller wrote: Flash still does not convince me at all, a Protoss like Rain, i think would stomp him hard, if all he has in his locker is SCV pulling
i'm sure he's eagerly yearning for your approval
underrated post.
anyone who complains about flash pulling the boys is misunderstanding the mu. Why would you sit back and let a protoss mass a deathball when code s is on the line? That timing he hits is punishment for supers style of play.
If he only did because Code S was on the line and was punishing timings then I'd agree but this is Flash, he does in EVERY game. Not just the important ones
I'm not saying it's just the important ones, its a response to that play style. He pushes at around 8 minutes to see if he can get something done (see game 3). If the protoss decides to sit and mass 5 colossi well then he will just get bio vikings and hit that 150 supp timing with pulled boys. I'd like to see a game contradicting this, I haven't seen flash do this against a different protoss style.
On April 10 2015 21:10 Musicus wrote: Damn TB knows how to bait on twitter, sc2 pros getting mad.
And Flash is dead on this map I guess :/.
well, TB did act dumb here
If by dumb you mean, baited out a couple of entitled mid-tier foreigners, sure.
They really should be grateful. WCS Worlds is welfare in its current state, it's money none of them would be able to earn legitimately if they had to compete with the Koreans and yet they still have the gall to bitch?
Yeah ok sure."Hey I was on Skype with friends playing LOTV so that's why I lost to Winter". Yeah? My guys were practicing, just like the rest of the Koreans, while you were fucking around with your friends on Skype and losing to a guy that beats up gold leaguers for a living, maybe that's why you can't compete with Koreans, Mr "Africa doesn't have computers" Morrow :x
oh come on. GSL and S2SL have their own form of region lock by making it offline monthlong. If it was a weekend tournament with the qualifiers being held online, maybe even on alternating servers, we'd be seeing foreigners trying too.
Not that they'd be winning a lot, but calling WCS welfare because there are certain rules to make it impossible that you can just play the one WCS-tournament for the rest of the world if you don't feel like playing the two Korean-specific alternatives is quite pushing it.
"foreigners trying" and not getting past the qualifying stage yes. Every week there are qualifiers harder than WCS Worlds for events like IEM. Worlds is Welfare.
I didn't look at the viewership numbers but I am pretty sure they are at least similar to the Korean Leagues so it's not Welfare it's what a considerable amount of viewers want to watch. Stop being so salty about signing mediocre Korean players that can't make it in Korean leagues.
Viewership numbers justify, what? Exactly? Justin Bieber sells a lot of albums too y'know.
Oh and shut the fuck up. People who invest nothing in the scene have nothing of interest to say on this topic, that's clear.
If by dumb you mean, baited out a couple of entitled mid-tier foreigners, sure.
They really should be grateful. WCS Worlds is welfare in its current state, it's money none of them would be able to earn legitimately if they had to compete with the Koreans and yet they still have the gall to bitch?
Yeah ok sure."Hey I was on Skype with friends playing LOTV so that's why I lost to Winter". Yeah? My guys were practicing, just like the rest of the Koreans, while you were fucking around with your friends on Skype and losing to a guy that beats up gold leaguers for a living, maybe that's why you can't compete with Koreans, Mr "Africa doesn't have computers" Morrow :x
oh come on. GSL and S2SL have their own form of region lock by making it offline monthlong. If it was a weekend tournament with the qualifiers being held online, maybe even on alternating servers, we'd be seeing foreigners trying too.
Not that they'd be winning a lot, but calling WCS welfare because there are certain rules to make it impossible that you can just play the one WCS-tournament for the rest of the world if you don't feel like playing the two Korean-specific alternatives is quite pushing it.
"foreigners trying" and not getting past the qualifying stage yes. Every week there are qualifiers harder than WCS Worlds for events like IEM. Worlds is Welfare.
But isn't the welfare needed? WCS S1 is was a great success and the foreign scene needed that I think. Koreans can still compete there if they live and practice there, which seems fair compared to flying in and out.
If Korea's football league wanted to improve, flying German and Spain teams in and out wouldn't really help. If the teams moved there and were available for practice matches all year long that's a different matter though.
I think the semi region lock works out really good so far for WCS and seems fair. Korea has double leagues and SPL now, over all the tournament scene seems globally very balanced to me. Eeverything besides WCS Premiere is completely open, only this one tournament has a soft region lock.
For all the talk of how WCS is supposed to be helping the foreign scene it was STILL two Koreans in the final. If anything I'd argue that just set the scene 3 steps backwards
But those to Koreans at least live in the region they compete and they didn't even need a translator. It was very easy for new viewers to relate to them and cheer for them, since they saw them competing against the best foreigners all weekend long. Completely different to seeing 16 koreans compete against each other and at the end 2 of them are in the final and they all talk korean and you can't really relate as a new viewer (I personally and most hardcore fans would not mind).
They saw them 3:0ing all the best foreigners you mean
If by dumb you mean, baited out a couple of entitled mid-tier foreigners, sure.
They really should be grateful. WCS Worlds is welfare in its current state, it's money none of them would be able to earn legitimately if they had to compete with the Koreans and yet they still have the gall to bitch?
Yeah ok sure."Hey I was on Skype with friends playing LOTV so that's why I lost to Winter". Yeah? My guys were practicing, just like the rest of the Koreans, while you were fucking around with your friends on Skype and losing to a guy that beats up gold leaguers for a living, maybe that's why you can't compete with Koreans, Mr "Africa doesn't have computers" Morrow :x
oh come on. GSL and S2SL have their own form of region lock by making it offline monthlong. If it was a weekend tournament with the qualifiers being held online, maybe even on alternating servers, we'd be seeing foreigners trying too.
Not that they'd be winning a lot, but calling WCS welfare because there are certain rules to make it impossible that you can just play the one WCS-tournament for the rest of the world if you don't feel like playing the two Korean-specific alternatives is quite pushing it.
"foreigners trying" and not getting past the qualifying stage yes. Every week there are qualifiers harder than WCS Worlds for events like IEM. Worlds is Welfare.
But isn't the welfare needed? WCS S1 is was a great success and the foreign scene needed that I think. Koreans can still compete there if they live and practice there, which seems fair compared to flying in and out.
If Korea's football league wanted to improve, flying German and Spain teams in and out wouldn't really help. If the teams moved there and were available for practice matches all year long that's a different matter though.
I think the semi region lock works out really good so far for WCS and seems fair. Korea has double leagues and SPL now, over all the tournament scene seems globally very balanced to me. Eeverything besides WCS Premiere is completely open, only this one tournament has a soft region lock.
For all the talk of how WCS is supposed to be helping the foreign scene it was STILL two Koreans in the final. If anything I'd argue that just set the scene 3 steps backwards
But those to Koreans at least live in the region they compete and they didn't even need a translator. It was very easy for new viewers to relate to them and cheer for them, since they saw them competing against the best foreigners all weekend long. Completely different to seeing 16 koreans compete against each other and at the end 2 of them are in the final and they all talk korean and you can't really relate as a new viewer (I personally and most hardcore fans would not mind).
They saw them 3:0ing all the best foreigners you mean
On April 10 2015 21:29 Topdoller wrote: Flash still does not convince me at all, a Protoss like Rain, i think would stomp him hard, if all he has in his locker is SCV pulling
i'm sure he's eagerly yearning for your approval
underrated post.
anyone who complains about flash pulling the boys is misunderstanding the mu. Why would you sit back and let a protoss mass a deathball when code s is on the line? That timing he hits is punishment for supers style of play.
If he only did because Code S was on the line and was punishing timings then I'd agree but this is Flash, he does in EVERY game. Not just the important ones
I'm not saying it's just the important ones, its a response to that play style. He pushes at around 8 minutes to see if he can get something done (see game 3). If the protoss decides to sit and mass 5 colossi well then he will just get bio vikings and hit that 150 supp timing with pulled boys. I'd like to see a game contradicting this, I haven't seen flash do this against a different protoss style.
Playstyle has nothing to do with Flash pulling the boys against Protoss. That's just so expected it's almost a meme now.
On April 10 2015 21:47 XiaoJoyce- wrote: Ahh . . . hahaha the 3-0 Super Own Flash Prediction ~
But , ah....scare the hell out of me . Flash game is so worrying. I keep pray for Opponent to mess up for Flash to win .
Yeah I know what you mean! Super kinda screwed up blinking his stalkers in the last game. As a fan of all things Terran, I'm OK with that. Sad the kid hasn't got a team though, hope he lands on his feet.
If by dumb you mean, baited out a couple of entitled mid-tier foreigners, sure.
They really should be grateful. WCS Worlds is welfare in its current state, it's money none of them would be able to earn legitimately if they had to compete with the Koreans and yet they still have the gall to bitch?
Yeah ok sure."Hey I was on Skype with friends playing LOTV so that's why I lost to Winter". Yeah? My guys were practicing, just like the rest of the Koreans, while you were fucking around with your friends on Skype and losing to a guy that beats up gold leaguers for a living, maybe that's why you can't compete with Koreans, Mr "Africa doesn't have computers" Morrow :x
oh come on. GSL and S2SL have their own form of region lock by making it offline monthlong. If it was a weekend tournament with the qualifiers being held online, maybe even on alternating servers, we'd be seeing foreigners trying too.
Not that they'd be winning a lot, but calling WCS welfare because there are certain rules to make it impossible that you can just play the one WCS-tournament for the rest of the world if you don't feel like playing the two Korean-specific alternatives is quite pushing it.
"foreigners trying" and not getting past the qualifying stage yes. Every week there are qualifiers harder than WCS Worlds for events like IEM. Worlds is Welfare.
But isn't the welfare needed? WCS S1 is was a great success and the foreign scene needed that I think. Koreans can still compete there if they live and practice there, which seems fair compared to flying in and out.
If Korea's football league wanted to improve, flying German and Spain teams in and out wouldn't really help. If the teams moved there and were available for practice matches all year long that's a different matter though.
I think the semi region lock works out really good so far for WCS and seems fair. Korea has double leagues and SPL now, over all the tournament scene seems globally very balanced to me. Eeverything besides WCS Premiere is completely open, only this one tournament has a soft region lock.
For all the talk of how WCS is supposed to be helping the foreign scene it was STILL two Koreans in the final. If anything I'd argue that just set the scene 3 steps backwards
But those to Koreans at least live in the region they compete and they didn't even need a translator. It was very easy for new viewers to relate to them and cheer for them, since they saw them competing against the best foreigners all weekend long. Completely different to seeing 16 koreans compete against each other and at the end 2 of them are in the final and they all talk korean and you can't really relate as a new viewer (I personally and most hardcore fans would not mind).
Having a few Koreans spiced the league up just right imo. It even helps the foreign scene improve, since they can prepare against the Koreans and compete against them all year long, instead of getting surprised by people that just flew in.
But it didn't improve the scene. There were only 3 Koreans in WCS in Season 1 and 3 of them made the final 4. Almost every map the foreigner came up against the Korean the foreigner got curbstomped.
If something changes in Season 2 I'll be the first to admit it but frankly seeing what I saw in the playoffs I'm not going to be shocked if we're back to Korean All Kill in the semis again this coming season at which point it achieves nothing, because the same naturalised Koreans are winning over and over and over and the foreign scene takes one giant leap backwards
Yeah we'll have to see, In think we will have a foreigner or two in the semis. But look at Bunny vs Polt. Bunny could've/should've won, but barely did not. So yeah the foreign scene lost in terms of money and titles, but Bunny himself got more out of that bo5 vs Polt than he would've after 3:0ing another foreigner, gameplay and experience wise that is. I am sure Bunny does not blame the system or Koreans, he blames only himself and is eager to do better next season.
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