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On April 10 2015 21:31 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 21:28 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:20 Big J wrote:On April 10 2015 21:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:11 Alchemik wrote:On April 10 2015 21:10 Musicus wrote:
Damn TB knows how to bait on twitter, sc2 pros getting mad.
And Flash is dead on this map I guess :/. well, TB did act dumb here If by dumb you mean, baited out a couple of entitled mid-tier foreigners, sure. They really should be grateful. WCS Worlds is welfare in its current state, it's money none of them would be able to earn legitimately if they had to compete with the Koreans and yet they still have the gall to bitch? Yeah ok sure."Hey I was on Skype with friends playing LOTV so that's why I lost to Winter". Yeah? My guys were practicing, just like the rest of the Koreans, while you were fucking around with your friends on Skype and losing to a guy that beats up gold leaguers for a living, maybe that's why you can't compete with Koreans, Mr "Africa doesn't have computers" Morrow :x oh come on. GSL and S2SL have their own form of region lock by making it offline monthlong. If it was a weekend tournament with the qualifiers being held online, maybe even on alternating servers, we'd be seeing foreigners trying too. Not that they'd be winning a lot, but calling WCS welfare because there are certain rules to make it impossible that you can just play the one WCS-tournament for the rest of the world if you don't feel like playing the two Korean-specific alternatives is quite pushing it. "foreigners trying" and not getting past the qualifying stage yes. Every week there are qualifiers harder than WCS Worlds for events like IEM. Worlds is Welfare. But isn't the welfare needed? WCS S1 is was a great success and the foreign scene needed that I think. Koreans can still compete there if they live and practice there, which seems fair compared to flying in and out. If Korea's football league wanted to improve, flying German and Spain teams in and out wouldn't really help. If the teams moved there and were available for practice matches all year long that's a different matter though. I think the semi region lock works out really good so far for WCS and seems fair. Korea has double leagues and SPL now, over all the tournament scene seems globally very balanced to me. Eeverything besides WCS Premiere is completely open, only this one tournament has a soft region lock. For all the talk of how WCS is supposed to be helping the foreign scene it was STILL two Koreans in the final. If anything I'd argue that just set the scene 3 steps backwards
It just goes to show that no matter what, foreigners can't compete. You can take away all but 3 of the Koreans and you'd still have had a Korean Top 3 if Polt and ForGG hadnt had to kill each other. You can take away all but 1 of the Koreans the winner will still be Korean.
Did any of the foreigners up their game in this new environment? Bunny maybe, that was about it. You could maybe argue Showtime in the group stage but he got stomped in the bracket so it's hard to say, this was his breakout performance for sure, even if it was almost all done fighting foreigners. Foreigners are given chance after chance after chance. I have no sympathy for them when they start running their mouths on Twitter. You get easy access to foreign tournaments, you get a region-locked event with guaranteed prizemoney all of your own. You have nothing to complain about and the very LEAST you can do is show a bit of solidarity when GSL pulls an obviously bullshit move.
There is no arguing about it. Any pro or manager would be pissed off in this situation. Anyone defending GSL is only doing it because they have some bone to pick with me, their position is indefensible otherwise.
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No map has ever felt so broken in PvT as this map.
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Katowice25012 Posts
All y'all chill out with the insults during this Very Heated Debate ok!
edit: I should clarify I wrote this when there were some going back and forth in the last page it's mostly settling down already so thanks
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poor decision making from super there
maybe a lack of experience in dealing with that playing style on that map?
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On April 10 2015 21:31 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 21:28 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:20 Big J wrote:On April 10 2015 21:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:11 Alchemik wrote:well, TB did act dumb here If by dumb you mean, baited out a couple of entitled mid-tier foreigners, sure. They really should be grateful. WCS Worlds is welfare in its current state, it's money none of them would be able to earn legitimately if they had to compete with the Koreans and yet they still have the gall to bitch? Yeah ok sure."Hey I was on Skype with friends playing LOTV so that's why I lost to Winter". Yeah? My guys were practicing, just like the rest of the Koreans, while you were fucking around with your friends on Skype and losing to a guy that beats up gold leaguers for a living, maybe that's why you can't compete with Koreans, Mr "Africa doesn't have computers" Morrow :x oh come on. GSL and S2SL have their own form of region lock by making it offline monthlong. If it was a weekend tournament with the qualifiers being held online, maybe even on alternating servers, we'd be seeing foreigners trying too. Not that they'd be winning a lot, but calling WCS welfare because there are certain rules to make it impossible that you can just play the one WCS-tournament for the rest of the world if you don't feel like playing the two Korean-specific alternatives is quite pushing it. "foreigners trying" and not getting past the qualifying stage yes. Every week there are qualifiers harder than WCS Worlds for events like IEM. Worlds is Welfare. But isn't the welfare needed? WCS S1 is was a great success and the foreign scene needed that I think. Koreans can still compete there if they live and practice there, which seems fair compared to flying in and out. If Korea's football league wanted to improve, flying German and Spain teams in and out wouldn't really help. If the teams moved there and were available for practice matches all year long that's a different matter though. I think the semi region lock works out really good so far for WCS and seems fair. Korea has double leagues and SPL now, over all the tournament scene seems globally very balanced to me. Eeverything besides WCS Premiere is completely open, only this one tournament has a soft region lock. For all the talk of how WCS is supposed to be helping the foreign scene it was STILL two Koreans in the final. If anything I'd argue that just set the scene 3 steps backwards
But those to Koreans at least live in the region they compete and they didn't even need a translator. It was very easy for new viewers to relate to them and cheer for them, since they saw them competing against the best foreigners all weekend long. Completely different to seeing 16 koreans compete against each other and at the end 2 of them are in the final and they all talk korean and you can't really relate as a new viewer (I personally and most hardcore fans would not mind).
Having a few Koreans spiced the league up just right imo. It even helps the foreign scene improve, since they can prepare against the Koreans and compete against them all year long, instead of getting surprised by people that just flew in.
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This really interesting discussion would deserve an own thread. If not, cut it out. You may not realize there's still Code A going on.
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Wasn't GSL supposed to be watchable in medium quality ? :/
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Argh, maybe I spoke too early
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why isn't super turning around?
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wayyy too late of a retreat... wtf man?
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If Flash loses to the Dark shrine...
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a bit impatient from super there right?
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On April 10 2015 21:42 Boucot wrote:
Wasn't GSL supposed to be watchable in medium quality ? :/
Medium or other game developer!
Hmmm.. are we even now? If Super can hold on for a bit he actually maight just win
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On April 10 2015 21:42 zimms wrote:
This really interesting discussion would deserve an own thread. If not, cut it out. You may not realize there's still Code A going on.
Just ignore them. Grown men arguing with children. Involvement would demean us all.
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